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Well, for a John McDonnell the lack of a conscience may make things easier.kle4 said:
On an issue this important how could anyone not vote their conscience even if it were not a free vote?Benpointer said:
Actually, if she thinks she's going to lose the vote anyway, she might as well offer a free vote.TheWhiteRabbit said:"I understand @PennyMordaunt is in No10 right now pushing the PM AGAIN to back a free vote on her Brexit deal.
Thinks it will avoid need for PM to quit if she loses the meaningful vote."
If May wants to gamble, maybe she hopes this forces Labour to offer a free vote.0 -
Any more excuses why Javid, Hunt and co have not been putting in some effort selling this?0
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That is reserved exclusively for Mark Reckless.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
There will always be more coming along behind them. The attitudes may change, but the physical characteristics won't. Assuming no ethnic cleansing, of course.JayW said:
A last gasp mobilization for the outdated reactionary attitudes exemplified by ruddy-complexioned well-upholstered boomer males, before they are utterly crushed.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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I was commenting on a fervent Labour supporter criticising him for 'cynicism.'kle4 said:
How so? Politically he is now well placed because his rebels do not appear to be keen to vote for the government, and a GE has risen in likelihood.ydoethur said:
Good grief. Corbyn really has misplayed this.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.0 -
Grayling, I think, is an actual friend of May. He hates this deal and everything it represents, but he also won't want to hurt May more than he has to.David_Evershed said:Why has Grayling not resigned?
Let Gove wield the killing blow, he can just slipstream out in the murder-peloton.0 -
Because he's a cock who should have resigned years ago over something else.David_Evershed said:Why has Grayling not resigned?
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It sounds like Mordaunt is preparing the ground for her own resignation.TheWhiteRabbit said:"I understand @PennyMordaunt is in No10 right now pushing the PM AGAIN to back a free vote on her Brexit deal.
Thinks it will avoid need for PM to quit if she loses the meaningful vote."
If May wants to gamble, maybe she hopes this forces Labour to offer a free vote.
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Blimey this brexit just got real..... All the power has gone off in our village.... Street lights the lot.0
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Maybe the tykes could use the draft WA agreement as a template... But have a wicket-keeper instad of a backstop.David_Evershed said:
I think Boycott's position is home rule for Yorkshire.kle4 said:As Geoffrey Boycott weighed in yet on his thoughts on May's deal?
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How about 'traitorous arsehole?'TheScreamingEagles said:
That is reserved exclusively for Mark Reckless.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Dear me. Any explanation? Sounds like a cable failure of some kind (my autocorrect thought I meant Vince, which is harsh)!Scrapheap_as_was said:Blimey this brexit just got real..... All the power has gone off in our village.... Street lights the lot.
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Gove's blow won't be fatal.grabcocque said:
Grayling, I think, is an actual friend of May. He hates this deal and everything it represents, but he also won't want to hurt May more than he has to.David_Evershed said:Why has Grayling not resigned?
Let Gove wield the killing blow, he can just slipstream out in the murder-peloton.0 -
Fine by me.ydoethur said:
How about 'traitorous arsehole?'TheScreamingEagles said:
That is reserved exclusively for Mark Reckless.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
I did once tell Gove to his face that he should be embarrassed at his shameful pandering to the bigoted during the referendum.
I think the message got through.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/michael-gove-admits-leave-was-wrong-to-fuel-immigration-fears0 -
I agree.kle4 said:
How so? Politically he is now well placed because his rebels do not appear to be keen to vote for the government, and a GE has risen in likelihood.ydoethur said:
Good grief. Corbyn really has misplayed this.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.
He also did well in reply to May today.0 -
Gove is like some essence of the Tory Party’s mastery at political backstabbery, embodied in one man,grabcocque said:
Grayling, I think, is an actual friend of May. He hates this deal and everything it represents, but he also won't want to hurt May more than he has to.David_Evershed said:Why has Grayling not resigned?
Let Gove wield the killing blow, he can just slipstream out in the murder-peloton.0 -
I guess we'll see.Benpointer said:
Gove's blow won't be fatal.grabcocque said:
Grayling, I think, is an actual friend of May. He hates this deal and everything it represents, but he also won't want to hurt May more than he has to.David_Evershed said:Why has Grayling not resigned?
Let Gove wield the killing blow, he can just slipstream out in the murder-peloton.
As far as I'm concerned May is already terminally holed beneath the water line. Gove just needs to give the process a little *shove*.0 -
By the way kle I do agree that May isn't actually delusional, it's just that she seems to have a tendency to present herself that way0
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Heck, he hasn’t resigned yet!!0
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/michael-gove-admits-leave-TSE-right-to-lambast-immigration-fearsTheScreamingEagles said:
Fine by me.ydoethur said:
How about 'traitorous arsehole?'TheScreamingEagles said:
That is reserved exclusively for Mark Reckless.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
I did once tell Gove to his face that he should be embarrassed at his shameful pandering to the bigoted during the referendum.
I think the message got through.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/michael-gove-admits-leave-was-wrong-to-fuel-immigration-fears0 -
I’m out for the evening soon so should Gove quit, a prize will be awarded for the first
“He has now”.0 -
One little thing to keep an eye on: just as Labour are very keen to act so that whatever happens they are not to blame for any possible bad outcome, in the same way both the EU and the UK government are very reluctant to be the body responsible for any new border issues between Ireland and N Ireland. The EU, so far as I know, do not have a plan for keeping an open border if there is no WA on 29th March, or if they have they are keeping quiet about it. Despite all current protestations therefore it may be more likely than people think that the EU will be open to extending the Article 50 period if they are asked to by the UK in order to avoid that dilemma. In reality therefore there may be more time that people expect for negotiations if (when) it is clear that the current ones are dead.0
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You might be right but I cannot see her quitting. It will take 48 letters then a VoNC and I think she will win that.grabcocque said:
I guess we'll see.Benpointer said:
Gove's blow won't be fatal.grabcocque said:
Grayling, I think, is an actual friend of May. He hates this deal and everything it represents, but he also won't want to hurt May more than he has to.David_Evershed said:Why has Grayling not resigned?
Let Gove wield the killing blow, he can just slipstream out in the murder-peloton.
As far as I'm concerned May is already terminally holed beneath the water line. Gove just needs to give the process a little *shove*.0 -
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hmmm.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
This seems to have legs.
How about 'arrogant know-nothing treacherous pissflap?'0 -
Great film - slated by the critics but great fun nonetheless.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
We Will Rock You was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV BEFORE Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
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And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course0 -
they haven't got 48 because they all pretty much think they will loseTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course0 -
Well it wasn't a documentary.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course0 -
If they fail in the next few days after JRM full on challenge it will be a complete humilation for themTheWhiteRabbit said:
they haven't got 48 because they all pretty much think they will loseTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It is a film, not a documentary!Sunil_Prasannan said:
We Will Rock You was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV BEFORE Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
I'm a huge Queen fan, and I loved it, as did everyone in the sold out showing I went to. The timeline is a bit ropey, but the music and performances more than compensate.0 -
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U571 levels of historicityAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
It is a film, not a documentary!Sunil_Prasannan said:
We Will Rock You was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV BEFORE Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course 0 -
I sometimes wonder if your account is operated by some sort of Dadaist art collectiveSunil_Prasannan said:
We Will Rock You was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV BEFORE Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course0 -
I wish they'd get on with it - while I believe them that May does not have the support of the party, if you are still struggling to pull together 48 measly letters I will have to assume that she does have their support.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Away from all this play-acting, we have the real fight for power and influence. There are 4 local by-elections today - 2 Labour defences in Bassetlaw and Stroud, a Con defence in Kent, and a LD defence in Oxfordshire0
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The ERG are making May look competent.kle4 said:
I wish they'd get on with it - while I believe them that May does not have the support of the party, if you are still struggling to pull together 48 measly letters I will have to assume that she does have their support.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I’ve figured out Brexit. Seriously!
Replace the unloved backstop with reentry.
That will get the Remainers on board, which should pass the bill
There are benefits for the ERG too. Why? Because we know membership of the EU can be terminated. In that scenario we could still leave with no deal.
There is no Ireland issue.0 -
Yeah, their focus on the letters has always seemed counterproductive. Much easier to torpedo the meaningful vote than win the vonc. So their constant state of 47.9 letters had turned into a running joke. "We're going to strengthen your position" is hardly an effective threatBig_G_NorthWales said:
If they fail in the next few days after JRM full on challenge it will be a complete humilation for themTheWhiteRabbit said:
they haven't got 48 because they all pretty much think they will loseTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
So May is battling on and the ERG have overplayed their hand. They only have about 30 votes against.
The question now is whether Labour have about 15% of decent people in their parliamentary ranks that care more about their constituents and country than upsetting Momentum.0 -
Is Penny Mordaunt still pleading with TMay?0
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Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?0 -
Where do you get 30?Theo said:So May is battling on and the ERG have overplayed their hand. They only have about 30 votes against.
The question now is whether Labour have about 15% of decent people in their parliamentary ranks that care more about their constituents and country than upsetting Momentum.0 -
May has delivered a deal that gets almost all the benefits of Leaving while protecting jobs and maintaining JIT supply chains. Everyone said that couldn't be done yet she achieved it.JosiasJessop said:
The ERG are making May look competent.kle4 said:
I wish they'd get on with it - while I believe them that May does not have the support of the party, if you are still struggling to pull together 48 measly letters I will have to assume that she does have their support.TheScreamingEagles said:
The question is whether there are enough MPs in parliament that show similar fortitude.0 -
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He's a leaver and his comments about Dover both indicate he's a moron.another_richard said:Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?0 -
When considering conspiracy versus cock-up it's nearly always cock-up in my experience.another_richard said:Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?0 -
Why on earth would they with May & Robbins controlling the agenda and dictating every move andcincessiongrabcocque said:May is either going to have to keep Brexit Secretary vacant (looks ridiculous) or appoint a remainer (and further antagonise the noisy majority of her party baying for her blood).
Can't imagine any brexiteer touching that job with a shitty stick now.0 -
Well allegedly he was cut out of arranging the details, in which case why did he not notice this I wonder, and despite quitting didn't call for May to go.another_richard said:Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?
So he's a moron. And may be making a leadership push.0 -
+1AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
It is a film, not a documentary!Sunil_Prasannan said:
We Will Rock You was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV BEFORE Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
I'm a huge Queen fan, and I loved it, as did everyone in the sold out showing I went to. The timeline is a bit ropey, but the music and performances more than compensate.0 -
TMay will try and keep going because of her faith in God and herself. She believes she is annoited while too many others consider her arrointed. Mad, possibly, but on a scale of some of the world's present leaders, a mild but significant condition .0
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Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.0 -
They do. They will.Theo said:So May is battling on and the ERG have overplayed their hand. They only have about 30 votes against.
The question now is whether Labour have about 15% of decent people in their parliamentary ranks that care more about their constituents and country than upsetting Momentum.0 -
+100NorthofStoke said:I would like those opposed to this agreement to specifically and clearly state what they object to and to indicate how a better agreement could have been reached. I think that official Labour is proposing 100% BINO no advantages over memebership but clear disadvantages. Clearly not honouring the vote. From EMG it appears to be fantasy negotiations or WTO and negotiate like hell to try and reduce damage. Even a "normal" FT agreement would play merry hell with supply chains. She's actually done a good job and all the arrogant self-serving and deluded bastards who think they are moving in for the kill deserve to fail.
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Can’t see her accepting to be honest....numbertwelve said:0 -
There's also the point that, if the deal were agreed (no laughter at the back) there's nothing to renegotiate right now anyway, so it isn't crucial even if the various joint committees and arbitration stuff and future prep will indeed be complex to react or respond to.AmpfieldAndy said:
Why on earth would they with May & Robbins controlling the agenda and dictating every move andcincessiongrabcocque said:May is either going to have to keep Brexit Secretary vacant (looks ridiculous) or appoint a remainer (and further antagonise the noisy majority of her party baying for her blood).
Can't imagine any brexiteer touching that job with a shitty stick now.0 -
Isn't Raab's constituency in SE England ?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's a leaver and his comments about Dover both indicate he's a moron.another_richard said:Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?
I'm rather amazed that anyone from that area might think that the cross channel traffic wasn't important.0 -
That should go to Tracey Crouch if there's any justicenumbertwelve said: 0 -
Shame no markets on how many Lab MPs will vote for it, I'd be on 0-5 as most likely.Benpointer said:
They do. They will.Theo said:So May is battling on and the ERG have overplayed their hand. They only have about 30 votes against.
The question now is whether Labour have about 15% of decent people in their parliamentary ranks that care more about their constituents and country than upsetting Momentum.0 -
Esher and Walton (he's my MP). And that's the two of us!another_richard said:
Isn't Raab's constituency in SE England ?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's a leaver and his comments about Dover both indicate he's a moron.another_richard said:Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?
I'm rather amazed that anyone from that area might think that the cross channel traffic wasn't important.0 -
Right gotta leave you all behind and face the crowd...
... book club tonight. Happy posing. (Er posting soz)0 -
It’s better to keep it simple - “performing to expectations “.ydoethur said:
Hmmm.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
This seems to have legs.
How about 'arrogant know-nothing treacherous pissflap?'
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In order of likelyhood - it’s incompetency first, cock-up second, conspiracy falls well below the first 2Benpointer said:
When considering conspiracy versus cock-up it's nearly always cock-up in my experience.another_richard said:Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?0 -
The thing that beats me about all this is how Mogg is a mover and shaker of any note.
The man is not guy of principle, he is an idealogue and that type should never get their puritanical hands on any levers..0 -
another_richard said:
Can anyone explain Raab's resignation to me.
Is he making some push for the leadership in a plan with the Mogg ?
Or is he a complete fecking moron ?
It’s hard to say but I’d go with psychopath.
Someone who hears one of his cabinet colleagues say, “I cannot guarantee essential medicine availability” and thinks, “the anvil of my Europhobia is more important” is someone I wouldn’t want to rely on.
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Anyone set eyes on Gove yet?
He must be plotting something.... 0 -
He's a reasonably articulate representative of a significant strand of opinion within his party, and he's very willing to be on hand to provide quotes. Were he not there it would just be someone else since the opinion is still there in the party.Y0kel said:The thing that beats me about all this is how Mogg is a mover and shaker of any note.
The man is not guy of principle, he is an idealogue and that type should never get their puritanical hands on any levers..0 -
If you think the rebels are all mouth no trousers, or even if you think they’re not but May can still find 159+ MPs to vote for her in a confidence vote, then laying her to go before 31st Dec at near enough evens looks like value on Betfair.0
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The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.0 -
Theo said:
May has delivered a deal that gets almost all the benefits of Leaving while protecting jobs and maintaining JIT supply chains. Everyone said that couldn't be done yet she achieved it.JosiasJessop said:
The ERG are making May look competent.kle4 said:
I wish they'd get on with it - while I believe them that May does not have the support of the party, if you are still struggling to pull together 48 measly letters I will have to assume that she does have their support.TheScreamingEagles said:
The question is whether there are enough MPs in parliament that show similar fortitude.</blockquote
There was hardly any MPs from all of the parties today in parliament agreeing with Mays deal.
So the answer to your question is no.0 -
I think there are about 40MPs who won't vote for, 10 will be persuaded to abstain which means we need 30 Labour rebels to get it through. I think it's possible0
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I liked it a lot bit that's a bit much!Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
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This is the age of the ideologue or at least the pseudo ideologue. See Trump, Tsipras, Corbyn, Chavez, Le Pen, Farage, Lulu, Putin, Modi...Y0kel said:The thing that beats me about all this is how Mogg is a mover and shaker of any note.
The man is not guy of principle, he is an idealogue and that type should never get their puritanical hands on any levers..0 -
Snob.kle4 said:
I liked it a lot bit that's a bit much!Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.0 -
Other than singing this ghastly racket what on Earth has Lulu done to be added to that illustrious line-up?ydoethur said:
This is the age of the ideologue or at least the pseudo ideologue. See Trump, Tsipras, Corbyn, Chavez, Le Pen, Farage, Lulu, Putin, Modi...Y0kel said:The thing that beats me about all this is how Mogg is a mover and shaker of any note.
The man is not guy of principle, he is an idealogue and that type should never get their puritanical hands on any levers..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC4ytWa28qA0 -
Best not be an equality of votes, I think if Bercow were to stick to convention that would be to vote against in this instance.ydoethur said:
Would be appropriate under the circs if it went through by one vote.MaxPB said:I think there are about 40MPs who won't vote for, 10 will be persuaded to abstain which means we need 30 Labour rebels to get it through. I think it's possible
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The exact opposite of The Last Jedi!Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.
I still wonder what Disney were pumping brought the air vents at preview screenings.
Edit - speaking of which, is Fantastic Beasts released early in the US or is RCS a master of the dark arts?0 -
It is great. I thoroughly enjoyed it, as did my wife (who arm twisted me into going). Great entertainment and moving.Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.
But, why, oh why do they have to bugger about with the facts?0 -
I blame autocorrect. I meant Lula.GIN1138 said:
Other than singing this ghastly racket what on Earth has Lulu done to be added to that illustrious line-up?ydoethur said:
This is the age of the ideologue or at least the pseudo ideologue. See Trump, Tsipras, Corbyn, Chavez, Le Pen, Farage, Lulu, Putin, Modi...Y0kel said:The thing that beats me about all this is how Mogg is a mover and shaker of any note.
The man is not guy of principle, he is an idealogue and that type should never get their puritanical hands on any levers..
(What did we used to blame for stupid Ballsups before we had it?!)0 -
I haven't seen BR yet, but I think there's a lot in that for many films: too often, critics forget what audiences want.Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.0 -
Why would Gove resign given that he apparently supported May at yesterday's Cabinet meeting?0
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Not on the online charts I can see it hasn't.Benpointer said:0 -
I think Bercow would find an excuse to vote for it on the basis it maintained the status quo while voting it down would precipitate a major change.kle4 said:
Best not be an equality of votes, I think if Bercow were to stick to convention that would be to vote against in this instance.ydoethur said:
Would be appropriate under the circs if it went through by one vote.MaxPB said:I think there are about 40MPs who won't vote for, 10 will be persuaded to abstain which means we need 30 Labour rebels to get it through. I think it's possible
This argument would of course also royally piss off the ERG, but I am sure that would have no bearing on his decision...0 -
I'm seeing it in less than 5 hours.ydoethur said:
The exact opposite of The Last Jedi!Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.
I still wonder what Disney were pumping brought the air vents at preview screenings.
Edit - speaking of which, is Fantastic Beasts released early in the US or is RCS a master of the dark arts?0 -
Only if they believe their CLP's won't automatically deselect them, then your argument might stand, but they will never be reelected to the best club in London again.MaxPB said:I think there are about 40MPs who won't vote for, 10 will be persuaded to abstain which means we need 30 Labour rebels to get it through. I think it's possible
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How? Midnight screening?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm seeing it in less than 5 hours.ydoethur said:
The exact opposite of The Last Jedi!Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.
I still wonder what Disney were pumping brought the air vents at preview screenings.
Edit - speaking of which, is Fantastic Beasts released early in the US or is RCS a master of the dark arts?
I suppose unemployment has its perks...0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm seeing it in less than 5 hours.ydoethur said:
The exact opposite of The Last Jedi!Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.
I still wonder what Disney were pumping brought the air vents at preview screenings.
Edit - speaking of which, is Fantastic Beasts released early in the US or is RCS a master of the dark arts?
Will Theresa May still be PM when you come out of it? 0 -
Judging by the absolute state of the pricks, jokers, liars, dullards and clowns who have resigned or sent in bloody letters in the last 24 hours, this is a decent deal. A twat who doesn’t know where France is, a congenital scouse liar, a sinister Etonian who looks like a striped pencil, and a bunch of utter nobodies. Gove would complete the set - presumably he is waiting for his wife to give the green light. Here’s hoping.0
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Methinks you are out by about 50MaxPB said:I think there are about 40MPs who won't vote for, 10 will be persuaded to abstain which means we need 30 Labour rebels to get it through. I think it's possible
84 Tories against
DUP against
SNP/Greens/PC against
Chance of 70 Labour rebels LT 1% IMO0 -
Pah, I go to a lot of midnight screenings even when I have work the next morning.ydoethur said:
How? Midnight screening?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm seeing it in less than 5 hours.ydoethur said:
The exact opposite of The Last Jedi!Casino_Royale said:
The film is a work of genius.Benpointer said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Bohemian Rhapsody is full of historic anachronisms?Benpointer said:
And your point is?Sunil_Prasannan said:
We will rock you was released in 1980, of courseAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
If you've seen Bohemian Rhapsody, my current favourite insult is 'treacherous pissflap'.ydoethur said:
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:
Freddie was diagnosed with HIV before Live Aid, of course
Queen hadn't recorded together for YEARS before Live Aid, of course
Who gives a shit - it's entertainment not history.
The critics don’t like it because the plebs do.
I still wonder what Disney were pumping brought the air vents at preview screenings.
Edit - speaking of which, is Fantastic Beasts released early in the US or is RCS a master of the dark arts?
I suppose unemployment has its perks...
Plus I'm not a doley, I'm getting paid.0
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