She's still hoping for something, ANYTHING, to save her deal when eventually it goes to a vote
She is rightfully putting it to a vote so all those morally irresponsible ERG and Labour MPs can be on record as causing the no deal crash.
Yes, as a tactic, but it's not in the national interest to actually let that then ultimately happen - otherwise it is ultimately on her (as history will judge it)
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
There is a point at which one's delusion becomes so all encompassing it becomes harmful.
Somebody who loves her surely needs to help her down gently.
I do wish people would stop this delusion line, to the point of accusing her of mental health issues, in effect. She's being stubborn and forcing the hand of her opponents to take action rather than make it easy for them and bow out. That does not mean she is delusional even if she is acting poorly.
Well said
She is totally failing to engage with the problem in front of her.
But no Tory leader for a generation has succeeded in resolving that problem. Cammo thought that he had a clever solution, and look where we are now.
She has no choice. She needs votes and she needs them now.
McVey asked for a vote at Cabinet but May blocked it (as she is entitled to do according to her Cabinet civil servant).
Because she feard she would lose it.
Nonsense - if that was the case there would have been a lot more resignations. The Cabinet of the United Kingdom are not children who felt compelled today to stay in post because they didn't get to have a vote at Cabinet.
I don't think the resignations are over yet. Nowhere near.
This conference will just make her Cabinet colleagues roll their eyes.....
And that may well be so. I don't see what not having a vote a Cabinet has to do with anything though, since that would have no bearing on whether someone could be said to be in agreement or not.
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
Every claim she made was correct. You don't have any good criticisms of it.
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
She's still hoping for something, ANYTHING, to save her deal when eventually it goes to a vote
She is rightfully putting it to a vote so all those morally irresponsible ERG and Labour MPs can be on record as causing the no deal crash.
She is pressing on with the most Brexity Deal on offer for the whole UK from the EU, the only alternatives are permanent Customs Union as Corbyn wants and permanent single market or Remain as Remainers want.
In Thatcher's words 'TINA' there is no alternative bar No Deal which leads to either EUref2 and Remain pre March or permanent single market after anyway as most voters and MPs oppose No Deal
Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in. And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
And there is also making the case for the agreement, which still has every chance of going to a vote in the HoC, or being an option in a second referendum.
Until she's actually deposed - which is still very much in doubt - why should she not plough on ?
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
Every claim she made was correct. You don't have any good criticisms of it.
From you I will take that under advisement. But please keep posting. Its high quality satire
Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in. And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
When I worked for the CEO of a top ten company i remember him saying that he needed to do what was in the interests of the shareholders - and what was in the interests of the shareholders was that he run the company.
I think she is fantastic, how she does this is beyond me
I agree she is fantastic for Labour
If the deal is the best for the country that can be managed I frankly don't mind if she is good for Labour. Other parties get in eventually, it happens. Brexit will only happen once.
One thing is for certain, it ain't as much fun as The Donald's pressers. Come on, lets get a shirty journalist, Tessie call them fake news and intern wrestling to get the mic back.
If I were a floating voter watching this I think she would be rising in my estimation
Compared to the rest of em she is a giant
Except she isn't because she's delusional. You don't pick fights you can't win and you don't play chicken with the country and parliament like this.
She's not the one playing chicken, it's the ERG and the Continuity Remainers who are doing that, plotting to trash the deal in the hope that in the crisis they get what they want, but risking they get the opposite and/or chaos.
Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in. And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.
If you share concerns about the backstop WHY THE HELL DID YOU ACCEPT IT????
Perhaps she had greater concerns about all of the alternatives ?
As we have discussed, ad nauseam, there is no agreement which will satisfy all Leavers, or even all Tory Leavers - let alone everyone. That is the nature of compromises.
If I were a floating voter watching this I think she would be rising in my estimation
Compared to the rest of em she is a giant
Except she isn't because she's delusional. You don't pick fights you can't win and you don't play chicken with the country and parliament like this.
She's not the one playing chicken, it's the ERG and the Continuity Remainers who are doing that, plotting to trash the deal so that in the crisis they get what they want, but risking they get the opposite and/or chaos.
The deal is trashed already. She doesn't have the votes, even with the ERG on side.
She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
If I were a floating voter watching this I think she would be rising in my estimation
Compared to the rest of em she is a giant
Except she isn't because she's delusional. You don't pick fights you can't win and you don't play chicken with the country and parliament like this.
She's not the one playing chicken, it's the ERG and the Continuity Remainers who are doing that, plotting to trash the deal so that in the crisis they get what they want, but risking they get the opposite and/or chaos.
The deal is trashed already. She doesn't have the votes, even with the ERG on side.
Maybe. But, as I said, from her point of view she'll have done her duty.
If you share concerns about the backstop WHY THE HELL DID YOU ACCEPT IT????
Perhaps she had greater concerns about all of the alternatives ?
As we have discussed, ad nauseam, there is no agreement which will satisfy all Leavers, or even all Tory Leavers - let alone everyone. That is the nature of compromises.
Tory leavers don't speak for the country and were never the audience that needed to be satisfied in the first place. They are impossible to satisfy.
New @skydata poll: Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit? No Brexit 54% No deal 32% Her deal 14%
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still wins
There is literally nothing that would satisfy the ERG nutters, other than No Deal.
She's facing down the Tory headbangers plus Magic Grandad and the gang and telling them to vote it down, so it is on them.
And nothing that would satisfy Labour MPs who would be happy to crash the economy to get into power.
Only one party is responsible for this shambles
TBF only one party has engaged with the issue and reflected the views within the country - which are split. Labour and Lib Dems unfortunately have just treated the EU as a given with nothing but platitudes as policies until the referendum. Neither is offering anything constructive a the moment either (some Labour MPs might end up doing so).
Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in. And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.
Merely repeating the lines which were roundly derided in the Commons. No new ideas or arguments. That is what.
If I were a floating voter watching this I think she would be rising in my estimation
Compared to the rest of em she is a giant
Except she isn't because she's delusional. You don't pick fights you can't win and you don't play chicken with the country and parliament like this.
She's not the one playing chicken, it's the ERG and the Continuity Remainers who are doing that, plotting to trash the deal so that in the crisis they get what they want, but risking they get the opposite and/or chaos.
The deal is trashed already. She doesn't have the votes, even with the ERG on side.
Maybe. But, as I said, from her point of view she'll have done her duty.
In the "going down with the ship" sense of doing her duty?
All this build up, and another non-statement....from dancing Queen to drama Queen. Why keep fighting on Prime Minister, it is truly time to let someone who believes in Brexit and respects the democratic decision of the referendum to lead these negotiations. its truly time to go!
I believe Jenkyns is one who has sent in her letter, but her phrasing just makes me think 'It's not about letting someone else have a go; if you assign someone to a task and they do a bad job the people who appointed them need to remove them, not moan about how they won't go willingly'
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
If I were a floating voter watching this I think she would be rising in my estimation
Compared to the rest of em she is a giant
Except she isn't because she's delusional. You don't pick fights you can't win and you don't play chicken with the country and parliament like this.
She's not the one playing chicken, it's the ERG and the Continuity Remainers who are doing that, plotting to trash the deal so that in the crisis they get what they want, but risking they get the opposite and/or chaos.
The deal is trashed already. She doesn't have the votes, even with the ERG on side.
Maybe. But, as I said, from her point of view she'll have done her duty.
Duty. Honour. Selflessness. Those are British values May has in spades that the Labour Party and the ERG wouldn't recognise.
May's duty, presumably, was to put together a deal so awe-inspiringly terrible that it brings the whole country together in vociferous condemnation of its unspeakable shittiness.
A deal so terrible that three times as many people prefer the catastrophic oblivion of no deal.
Truly, May's unique political talent to please none of the people, none of the time, is a rare and special gift.
The only way May can get this deal through is via a referendum. To pretend anything else is risking no deal and a risk no prime minister should take with our livelihoods.
If I were a floating voter watching this I think she would be rising in my estimation
Compared to the rest of em she is a giant
Except she isn't because she's delusional. You don't pick fights you can't win and you don't play chicken with the country and parliament like this.
She's not the one playing chicken, it's the ERG and the Continuity Remainers who are doing that, plotting to trash the deal so that in the crisis they get what they want, but risking they get the opposite and/or chaos.
The deal is trashed already. She doesn't have the votes, even with the ERG on side.
Maybe. But, as I said, from her point of view she'll have done her duty.
Duty. Honour. Selflessness. Those are British values May has in spades that the Labour Party and the ERG wouldn't recognise.
Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in. And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.
What was the point of this press conference?
To reiterate her position on a day of multiple Cabinet resignations, I assume. What of it?
What I did find offensive what that she repeatedly insisted that 'people voted to leave'. 48% voted to stay. It's very clear that she doesn't give a damn about our views, or care that we are gravely concerned about the routte the country is taking.
What I did find offensive what that she repeatedly insisted that 'people voted to leave'. 48% voted to stay. It's very clear that she doesn't give a damn about our views, or care that we are gravely concerned about the routte the country is taking.
Shorthand for saying that the decision to leave was carried by a majority of voters.
There is literally nothing that would satisfy the ERG nutters, other than No Deal.
She's facing down the Tory headbangers plus Magic Grandad and the gang and telling them to vote it down, so it is on them.
And nothing that would satisfy Labour MPs who would be happy to crash the economy to get into power.
Only one party is responsible for this shambles
Maybe blaming parties can wait until after we get out of this shambles, which requires both parties no matter what (be it deal, ref, GE or extension, given the parliamentary numbers)?
New @skydata poll: Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit? No Brexit 54% No deal 32% Her deal 14%
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still wins
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No Deal
She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.
New @skydata poll: Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit? No Brexit 54% No deal 32% Her deal 14%
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still wins
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No Deal
She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.
What I did find offensive what that she repeatedly insisted that 'people voted to leave'. 48% voted to stay. It's very clear that she doesn't give a damn about our views, or care that we are gravely concerned about the routte the country is taking.
No, as one of the 48%, I think you are wrong there. I think she is looking to deliver someting that respects both sides which is what upsets the ERG so much.
The only way May can get this deal through is via a referendum. To pretend anything else is risking no deal and a risk no prime minister should take with our livelihoods.
She cannot very well insist upon a referendum until such time as Parliament has actually followed through on their words and voted down her deal.
The only way May can get this deal through is via a referendum. To pretend anything else is risking no deal and a risk no prime minister should take with our livelihoods.
She cannot very well insist upon a referendum until such time as Parliament has actually followed through on their words and voted down her deal.
No, but I suspect that's what she would do if she cannot get the HoC to approve this deal - put it to a referendum.
Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in. And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.
What was the point of this press conference?
To reiterate her position on a day of multiple Cabinet resignations, I assume. What of it?
Because she's often been accused of being tin-eared, particularly in declarations that nothing has changed in the face of reality. Right now when her future is somewhat on the wire, she's decided to do a repeat performance to help remind waverers why they don't want her to be unmovable for a year. So to me, unless she has some motivation I don't understand, that implies that there's some aspect of this she hasn't perceived
She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.
That's the Blair who gave up half our rebate in exchange for a reform to the CAP which never materialised? That Blair? Or is there some successful PM called Blair that I've forgotten about?
New @skydata poll: Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit? No Brexit 54% No deal 32% Her deal 14%
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still wins
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No Deal
Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in. And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.
Merely repeating the lines which were roundly derided in the Commons. No new ideas or arguments. That is what.
That's an argument she is crap, and doesn't have a way out of it, it does not argue that she is mentally delusional. People are suggesting she has serious mental deficiencies just because she is being foolishly stubborn. I'm sorry, I'm not generally precious about language, but I find jumping to mental health accusations because she is being stubborn very disquieting.
New @skydata poll: Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit? No Brexit 54% No deal 32% Her deal 14%
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still wins
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No Deal
And me
Are remainers moving their position from Remain to a May's deal?
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In Thatcher's words 'TINA' there is no alternative bar No Deal which leads to either EUref2 and Remain pre March or permanent single market after anyway as most voters and MPs oppose No Deal
Until she's actually deposed - which is still very much in doubt - why should she not plough on ?
I can't see it playing well with Leave voters in the Lab heartlands, if they vote down the deal.
Sounds like May.
As we have discussed, ad nauseam, there is no agreement which will satisfy all Leavers, or even all Tory Leavers - let alone everyone. That is the nature of compromises.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
SHES A LIAR LIAR
At last something to cheer.
Nope. Still discussing this Brexit nonsense.
She has her headline.
Boycott and runs.
Hmmm, not sure that plays so well!
Andrea Jenkyns MP
All this build up, and another non-statement....from dancing Queen to drama Queen. Why keep fighting on Prime Minister, it is truly time to let someone who believes in Brexit and respects the democratic decision of the referendum to lead these negotiations. its truly time to go!
I believe Jenkyns is one who has sent in her letter, but her phrasing just makes me think 'It's not about letting someone else have a go; if you assign someone to a task and they do a bad job the people who appointed them need to remove them, not moan about how they won't go willingly'
A deal so terrible that three times as many people prefer the catastrophic oblivion of no deal.
Truly, May's unique political talent to please none of the people, none of the time, is a rare and special gift.
Your turn to bowl...
*innocent face*
She would just go back to re-negotiate with the EU (without any success).
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