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You mean the love-in that Tony had with Jeremy....Jonathan said:
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.kle4 said:
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.Jonathan said:She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.0 -
The odds on a second referendum must have improved considerably - particularly as though it appears quite a large majority of the electorate now want one (which is a big change from where they were before this contretemps).Benpointer said:
No, but I suspect that's what she would do if she cannot get the HoC to approve this deal - put it to a referendum.kle4 said:
She cannot very well insist upon a referendum until such time as Parliament has actually followed through on their words and voted down her deal.Gallowgate said:The only way May can get this deal through is via a referendum. To pretend anything else is risking no deal and a risk no prime minister should take with our livelihoods.
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Blair never ever had as hard a task as Brexit to manage and had majorities of at least 50 throughout his whole tenure. Oh and a booming economy.Jonathan said:
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.kle4 said:
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.Jonathan said:She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
We have no idea what Blair would have done because Blair was never tested quite like this.0 -
The way round this is to implement a WTO Brexit and negotiate a trade deal and withdrawal agreement from that position. Fait accompli.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I'm not sure if she will quit at that point or offer a referendum . I do think a referendum is coming.Benpointer said:
No, but I suspect that's what she would do if she cannot get the HoC to approve this deal - put it to a referendum.kle4 said:
She cannot very well insist upon a referendum until such time as Parliament has actually followed through on their words and voted down her deal.Gallowgate said:The only way May can get this deal through is via a referendum. To pretend anything else is risking no deal and a risk no prime minister should take with our livelihoods.
There is an alternative explanation - she perceives it fine, but she does not have the capacity to do anything else (other than just quit, but she clearly feels it is up to the party to fire her). That is one of her major shortcomings as a leader after all.Stereotomy said:
Because she's often been accused of being tin-eared, particularly in declarations that nothing has changed in the face of reality. Right now when her future is somewhat on the wire, she's decided to do a repeat performance to help remind waverers why they don't want her to be unmovable for a year. So to me, unless she has some motivation I don't understand, that implies that there's some aspect of this she hasn't perceivedkle4 said:
To reiterate her position on a day of multiple Cabinet resignations, I assume. What of it?Stereotomy said:
What was the point of this press conference?kle4 said:
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.dixiedean said:Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in.
And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.0 -
No one could do any better in these circumstancesYorkcity said:
Big g she really is not , she has become delusional to the reality staring her in the face.Big_G_NorthWales said:What a final response. She is amazing
I have said it a few times today but not had a definitive answer but I understand the government is going to call amendments before voting on the deal and one of those must be for a second referendum. That is likely to be lost leaving deal or no deal
In those circumstances this deal would go through
I am ready to be corrected over the meaningful vote procedure but if this is the case it would give credence to why TM is saying no second referendum as she knows it will fall before the meaningful vote0 -
Good old Gove, reel May in with just enough hope that Nothing Has Changed, and then, under cover of darkness...
He strikes
Measure twice, cut once.0 -
That has to be it, surely....grabcocque said:Gove expected to resign tonight
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I agree , it was always a conservative in fight. Nobody outside that really gave a damn about leaving the EU.OldKingCole said:What I did find offensive what that she repeatedly insisted that 'people voted to leave'. 48% voted to stay. It's very clear that she doesn't give a damn about our views, or care that we are gravely concerned about the routte the country is taking.
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Sam Coates Times
Verified account @SamCoatesTimes
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Source says No 10 are now expecting Gove to resign tonight...
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I couldn't possibly comment on my opinion.DavidL said:Don't agree with Ken Clarke but we seriously missed out not having him as PM. A class act.
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And meBig_G_NorthWales said:
And meHYUFD said:
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No DealHYUFD said:
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still winsold_labour said:
Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky
9m9 minutes ago
New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%0 -
I'm sorry. I was not suggesting anything of the sort. I do not think she has any mental issues at all. You must be mistaking me for someone else.kle4 said:
That's an argument she is crap, and doesn't have a way out of it, it does not argue that she is mentally delusional. People are suggesting she has serious mental deficiencies just because she is being foolishly stubborn. I'm sorry, I'm not generally precious about language, but I find jumping to mental health accusations because she is being stubborn very disquieting.dixiedean said:
Merely repeating the lines which were roundly derided in the Commons. No new ideas or arguments. That is what.kle4 said:
What about her suggests she has not perceived the situation? Not resigning or changing course does not indicate that, only that she intends to stick to what she believes to be the best deal, and it is for others to remove her if they don't like that. Until they formally remove her, moaning on twitter or to the press means nothing.dixiedean said:Re delusion. There is tenacity. There is digging in.
And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.0 -
... and economy trashed.David_Evershed said:
The way round this is to implement a WTO Brexit and negotiate a trade deal and withdrawal agreement from that position. Fait accompli.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I can't see what would actually make TM stand down without being forced. Possibly only an election defeat (you know a proper one where JC becomes PM) or a referendum defeat.Scott_P said:0 -
The one that no I would say is that if we went into no deal I imagine we would get a quick deal for a FTA compared to Canada for example, as we currently have regulatory equivalence. The only reason I can see that it hasn’t happened is that the EU want to punish and put us through the wringer, but if we went through the trauma of no deal, and EU states and businesses started to suffer I think there would be quick progress.David_Evershed said:
Are remainers moving their position from Remain to a May's deal?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And meHYUFD said:
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No DealHYUFD said:
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still winsold_labour said:
Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky
9m9 minutes ago
New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%0 -
That's a yes then.Scott_P said:0 -
Gove likes to be the one who lands the killing blow, doesn't he?
I think it's his "thing".0 -
I think you are right that the exact sequence of votes and the exact amendments put forward are crucial to how this might pan out in a parliamentary vote (assuming we get that far!)Big_G_NorthWales said:
No one could do any better in these circumstancesYorkcity said:
Big g she really is not , she has become delusional to the reality staring her in the face.Big_G_NorthWales said:What a final response. She is amazing
I have said it a few times today but not had a definitive answer but I understand the government is going to call amendments before voting on the deal and one of those must be for a second referendum. That is likely to be lost leaving deal or no deal
In those circumstances this deal would go through
I am ready to be corrected over the meaningful vote procedure but if this is the case it would give credence to why TM is saying no second referendum as she knows it will fall before the meaningful vote0 -
No, I am Spartacus.NorthofStoke said:
And meBig_G_NorthWales said:
And meHYUFD said:
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No DealHYUFD said:
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still winsold_labour said:
Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky
9m9 minutes ago
New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%0 -
As Geoffrey Boycott weighed in yet on his thoughts on May's deal?0
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Are you feeling lucky?Nemtynakht said:
The one that no I would say is that if we went into no deal I imagine we would get a quick deal for a FTA compared to Canada for example, as we currently have regulatory equivalence. The only reason I can see that it hasn’t happened is that the EU want to punish and put us through the wringer, but if we went through the trauma of no deal, and EU states and businesses started to suffer I think there would be quick progress.David_Evershed said:
Are remainers moving their position from Remain to a May's deal?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And meHYUFD said:
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No DealHYUFD said:
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still winsold_labour said:
Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky
9m9 minutes ago
New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%0 -
Haha, somehow I expect he's a fully paid up member of the ERG.kle4 said:As Geoffrey Boycott weighed in yet on his thoughts on May's deal?
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The point is simply repeating "I am right", "I am right" is not likely to win the argument.JohnO said:
You mean the love-in that Tony had with Jeremy....Jonathan said:
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.kle4 said:
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.Jonathan said:She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
As PM it is her duty not just to present a bill to parliament, but to find a majority for it.
She will need to listen, convince and may be change. At the moment she is not listening to anyone.0 -
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I like the hard turn in the middle of Lammy's tweet
The Prime Minister did not resign today, but she is the walking dead. Her deal has been rejected by all sides, and she has nowhere left to turn. Millions are now crying out for new direction and the chance to remain in the EU.
It's been rejected by all sides, but the only ones who matter are the ones who want a chance to remain?
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I voted remain but I have always argued we should ho our the result and the only way to negotiate without getting into the mess we have was from the position of no deal. We needed to state that we would leave with no deal and negotiate anything above that as a deal. That would have been clear all along, and people could plan.David_Evershed said:
The way round this is to implement a WTO Brexit and negotiate a trade deal and withdrawal agreement from that position. Fait accompli.CarlottaVance said:0 -
You are ignoring that the deal was agreed as draft with the EU - there's no point to her 'changing' position if that would not be acceptable to the EU. She could agree to do exactly what the ERG and DUP want and maybe get a majority on her deal, what would that accomplish?Jonathan said:
The point is simply repeating "I am right", "I am right" is not likely to win the argument.JohnO said:
You mean the love-in that Tony had with Jeremy....Jonathan said:
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.kle4 said:
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.Jonathan said:She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
As PM it is her duty not just to present a bill to parliament, but to find a majority for it.
She will need to listen, convince and may be change. At the moment she is not listening to anyone.0 -
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.0 -
She has listened to so many people already she's finding its a compromise none of them will back. That's the centre ground for youJonathan said:
The point is simply repeating "I am right", "I am right" is not likely to win the argument.JohnO said:
You mean the love-in that Tony had with Jeremy....Jonathan said:
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.kle4 said:
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.Jonathan said:She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
As PM it is her duty not just to present a bill to parliament, but to find a majority for it.
She will need to listen, convince and may be change. At the moment she is not listening to anyone.0 -
Apart from Brexit everything else seems to be ticking along quite nicely.murali_s said:
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He's not a fan of continuity remainers, I recall that much.Benpointer said:
Haha, somehow I expect he's a fully paid up member of the ERG.kle4 said:As Geoffrey Boycott weighed in yet on his thoughts on May's deal?
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I'm not Spartacus but I like his style.Nigelb said:
No, I am Spartacus.NorthofStoke said:
And meBig_G_NorthWales said:
And meHYUFD said:
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No DealHYUFD said:
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still winsold_labour said:
Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky
9m9 minutes ago
New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%0 -
Apart from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show?RobD said:
Apart from Brexit everything else seems to be ticking along quite nicely.murali_s said:0 -
Could well be!kjohnw said:0 -
That's a truly offensive avatar btw.kjohnw said:0 -
I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.0
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I'm Spartacus and so's my wife..Nigelb said:
No, I am Spartacus.NorthofStoke said:
And meBig_G_NorthWales said:
And meHYUFD said:
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No DealHYUFD said:
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still winsold_labour said:
Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky
9m9 minutes ago
New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%0 -
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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May is either going to have to keep Brexit Secretary vacant (looks ridiculous) or appoint a remainer (and further antagonise the noisy majority of her party baying for her blood).
Can't imagine any brexiteer touching that job with a shitty stick now.0 -
Good evening, Miss JGP.
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But to whom should she listen? JR-M And Soubry? Starmer but not Corbyn? Dobbs and Blackford? Let’s get real. Her duty is to present what she believes to be the best outcome for the country and then MPs to fulfill their obligations in either supporting or rejecting her proposals.Jonathan said:
The point is simply repeating "I am right", "I am right" is not likely to win the argument.JohnO said:
You mean the love-in that Tony had with Jeremy....Jonathan said:
Her job, her duty is to put together a majority. Just imagine what a successful PM would be doing now. Blair would have had JRM onside by now.kle4 said:
I honestly don't think she is trying to change the mind of the MPs at this point. I think she is just trying to make sure her deal lasts long enough to get voted on and voted down, rather than what some seem to be trying to do and get it pulled before MPs have to stand up and be counted against it officially.Jonathan said:She needs votes. Repeating ‘I am right’ is not a proven strategy to influence and convince people. She is not changing minds.
She will then have failed in her duty, but at least parliament will have officially judged her on that score, not her party or Cabinet alone.
As PM it is her duty not just to present a bill to parliament, but to find a majority for it.
She will need to listen, convince and may be change. At the moment she is not listening to anyone.
Like everyone else, I am certain that these will be rejected but that’s hardly her fault. Assuming she’s still Tory Leader and PM, it’s what she and the govt does next, is how they will be judged.0 -
Did he send it at 11.11?kle4 said:I like the hard turn in the middle of Lammy's tweet
The Prime Minister did not resign today, but she is the walking dead. Her deal has been rejected by all sides, and she has nowhere left to turn. Millions are now crying out for new direction and the chance to remain in the EU.
It's been rejected by all sides, but the only ones who matter are the ones who want a chance to remain?
I'm glad it was a quiet day today. I said no cabinet ministers could resign without losing all credibility and I was right.
It is rather nice than non-teachers finally understand how we all feel about Gove.0 -
I would like those opposed to this agreement to specifically and clearly state what they object to and to indicate how a better agreement could have been reached. I think that official Labour is proposing 100% BINO no advantages over memebership but clear disadvantages. Clearly not honouring the vote. From EMG it appears to be fantasy negotiations or WTO and negotiate like hell to try and reduce damage. Even a "normal" FT agreement would play merry hell with supply chains. She's actually done a good job and all the arrogant self-serving and deluded bastards who think they are moving in for the kill deserve to fail.0
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It absolutely should be vacant - she's been clear she's leading the negotiations anyway, and no one else has the time to absorb all the detail, and as you point out she probably cannot appoint someone to mollify the leaver side of the party anyway.grabcocque said:May is either going to have to keep Brexit Secretary vacant (looks ridiculous) or appoint a remainer (and further antagonise the noisy majority of her party baying for her blood).
Can't imagine any brexiteer touching that job with a shitty stick now.0 -
Not really. Do you really think what everyone has planned is very different from the current arrangement. The services thing is a red herring as it is unlikely my hairdresser or window cleaner, or their local solicitor and accountant are going to be doing business in Europe.NorthofStoke said:
Are you feeling lucky?Nemtynakht said:
The one that no I would say is that if we went into no deal I imagine we would get a quick deal for a FTA compared to Canada for example, as we currently have regulatory equivalence. The only reason I can see that it hasn’t happened is that the EU want to punish and put us through the wringer, but if we went through the trauma of no deal, and EU states and businesses started to suffer I think there would be quick progress.David_Evershed said:
Are remainers moving their position from Remain to a May's deal?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And meHYUFD said:
I would personally vote for Her deal first then Remain over No DealHYUFD said:
Confirmation No Deal kills Brexit, less than a third back it. Even No Deal plus Deal only gets to 46% though and Remain still winsold_labour said:
Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky
9m9 minutes ago
New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%
So it is down to products which are governed by British standards that reflect the European equivalent. Unless I am misreading it the only thing stopping this is the EU dont want to encourage others to leave. So we must suffer, and probably best by the proposed deal tying our hands on trade, or by a punishing no deal experience. We are a leading economy so they would still want to trade.0 -
A last gasp mobilization for the outdated reactionary attitudes exemplified by ruddy-complexioned well-upholstered boomer males, before they are utterly crushed.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.0 -
Let’s hope your next 10 posts display more insight and less prejudice.JayW said:
A last gasp mobilization for the outdated reactionary attitudes exemplified by ruddy-complexioned well-upholstered boomer males, before they are utterly crushed.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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Indeed it is. However bad the EU may be, they're not that.Benpointer said:
That's a truly offensive avatar btw.kjohnw said:0 -
Mmmm so they are on Napoleon's side not Wellington's?JayW said:
A last gasp mobilization for the outdated reactionary attitudes exemplified by ruddy-complexioned well-upholstered boomer males, before they are utterly crushed.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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So we run out of food and medicine, then beg the EU for a deal.David_Evershed said:
The way round this is to implement a WTO Brexit and negotiate a trade deal and withdrawal agreement from that position. Fait accompli.
What a fucking brilliant idea. Why did nobody else think of this...?0 -
There must be some avatar rules? Moderators?kyf_100 said:
Indeed it is. However bad the EU may be, they're not that.Benpointer said:
That's a truly offensive avatar btw.kjohnw said:0 -
The theory of some is that it will get voted down and only then, after other options fail, will it be returned too and MPs will approve it.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.
I cannot credit that as plausible - people aren't merely saying it is a bad deal, on left and right they are calling it a capitulation, humiliation, and so on. People can do remarkable u-turns on a position, but if someone had even a shred of doubt they would surely be more careful in their criticism.0 -
I think it means that anyone who doesn't agree with JayW is a fat, red faced, racist xenophobe who is beneath contempt and shouldn't have a vote, but I may be wrong.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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Bang out of order....kyf_100 said:
Indeed it is. However bad the EU may be, they're not that.Benpointer said:
That's a truly offensive avatar btw.kjohnw said:0 -
May is dogged. She'll stick around and win any leadership battle. As things stand her position will be interpreted as determined, but a couple more wrong moves and public perception could easily shift to deluded. If she can see through this week then much like the week after the GE she'll be safe for a while, deal or no deal.0
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I think you've got it. Sounds like he was cut'n'pasting from the Momentum playbook.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I think it means that anyone who doesn't agree with JayW is a fat, red faced, racist xenophobe who is beneath contempt and shouldn't have a vote, but I may be wrong.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
Good to have diversity of opinions on PB, I guess.0 -
Gove is a duplicitous double dealing back stabbing tw#tydoethur said:
Did he send it at 11.11?kle4 said:I like the hard turn in the middle of Lammy's tweet
The Prime Minister did not resign today, but she is the walking dead. Her deal has been rejected by all sides, and she has nowhere left to turn. Millions are now crying out for new direction and the chance to remain in the EU.
It's been rejected by all sides, but the only ones who matter are the ones who want a chance to remain?
I'm glad it was a quiet day today. I said no cabinet ministers could resign without losing all credibility and I was right.
It is rather nice than non-teachers finally understand how we all feel about Gove.0 -
Good grief. Corbyn really has misplayed this.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.
What would concern me is that most of us are articulate, well-informed on political matters, fairly intelligent and have read the document with a reasonable chance of understanding it. Most voters will not have read it and have only the haziest ideas of some of the issues at stake. So they may lap up the silly sound bites of Mogg or Corbyn. Indeed, initial polling isn't encouraging.
The point is this is a pretty good compromise in many ways. But I remember I wrote an essay for A-level about how the Whig governments of Grey and Melbourne lost popularity by producing policies too timid to please the radicals and yet too liberal for the reactionaries even though many could be justified on their merits. Perhaps May has fallen into the same trap.0 -
Gove resigning?0
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Unfair officer.Yorkcity said:
Gove is a duplicitous double dealing back stabbing tw#tydoethur said:
Did he send it at 11.11?kle4 said:I like the hard turn in the middle of Lammy's tweet
The Prime Minister did not resign today, but she is the walking dead. Her deal has been rejected by all sides, and she has nowhere left to turn. Millions are now crying out for new direction and the chance to remain in the EU.
It's been rejected by all sides, but the only ones who matter are the ones who want a chance to remain?
I'm glad it was a quiet day today. I said no cabinet ministers could resign without losing all credibility and I was right.
It is rather nice than non-teachers finally understand how we all feel about Gove.
Please apologise to all duplicitous double dealing back stabbing tw#ts immediately.0 -
Gove has a knack for being the one holding the knife that makes the coup de grace.Yorkcity said:
Gove is a duplicitous double dealing back stabbing tw#t
As, I think, he intends to demonstrate this evening.0 -
I think that's right. She does provoke a 'doing the best in difficult circumstances' view from large swathes of the population. The more she is attacked, the more sympathy she might get.Brom said:May is dogged. She'll stick around and win any leadership battle. As things stand her position will be interpreted as determined, but a couple more wrong moves and public perception could easily shift to deluded. If she can see through this week then much like the week after the GE she'll be safe for a while, deal or no deal.
It was also a plus that she did not come across as flaky or emotional even though she's clearly had a shit day at the office. I think she may swing public opinion behind her.0 -
"I understand @PennyMordaunt is in No10 right now pushing the PM AGAIN to back a free vote on her Brexit deal.
Thinks it will avoid need for PM to quit if she loses the meaningful vote."
If May wants to gamble, maybe she hopes this forces Labour to offer a free vote.0 -
As Wellington said when watching his troops sack a town "I don't know if they frighten the enemy, but by God they frighten me!"Benpointer said:
Mmmm so they are on Napoleon's side not Wellington's?JayW said:
A last gasp mobilization for the outdated reactionary attitudes exemplified by ruddy-complexioned well-upholstered boomer males, before they are utterly crushed.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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As Wellington said when watching his troops sack a town "I don't know if they frighten the enemy, but by God they frighten me!"Benpointer said:
Mmmm so they are on Napoleon's side not Wellington's?JayW said:
A last gasp mobilization for the outdated reactionary attitudes exemplified by ruddy-complexioned well-upholstered boomer males, before they are utterly crushed.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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I’d give it to Anna Soubry just for the lols.grabcocque said:May is either going to have to keep Brexit Secretary vacant (looks ridiculous) or appoint a remainer (and further antagonise the noisy majority of her party baying for her blood).
Can't imagine any brexiteer touching that job with a shitty stick now.0 -
“It has been a damned nice thing — the nearest run thing you ever saw in your life.”Foxy said:
As Wellington said when watching his troops sack a town "I don't know if they frighten the enemy, but by God they frighten me!"Benpointer said:
Mmmm so they are on Napoleon's side not Wellington's?JayW said:
A last gasp mobilization for the outdated reactionary attitudes exemplified by ruddy-complexioned well-upholstered boomer males, before they are utterly crushed.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/0 -
Mordaunt's desperation to not have to resign is a little undignified.
Just fucking do it, you yellow belly.0 -
I think that press conference will help. Gove resigning would probably help her too tbh.ydoethur said:
Good grief. Corbyn really has misplayed this.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.
What would concern me is that most of us are articulate, well-informed on political matters, fairly intelligent and have read the document with a reasonable chance of understanding it. Most voters will not have read it and have only the haziest ideas of some of the issues at stake. So they may lap up the silly sound bites of Mogg or Corbyn. Indeed, initial polling isn't encouraging.
The point is this is a pretty good compromise in many ways. But I remember I wrote an essay for A-level about how the Whig governments of Grey and Melbourne lost popularity by producing policies too timid to please the radicals and yet too liberal for the reactionaries even though many could be justified on their merits. Perhaps May has fallen into the same trap.0 -
her reaction to keeping calling people George by mistake and the cricket answer at the end suggest she's still up for the fight. all the nearly sexist 'broken woman' comments don't look right to me after watching that news conference.Benpointer said:
I think that's right. She does provoke a 'doing the best in difficult circumstances' view from large swathes of the population. The more she is attacked, the more sympathy she might get.Brom said:May is dogged. She'll stick around and win any leadership battle. As things stand her position will be interpreted as determined, but a couple more wrong moves and public perception could easily shift to deluded. If she can see through this week then much like the week after the GE she'll be safe for a while, deal or no deal.
It was also a plus that she did not come across as flaky or emotional even though she's clearly had a shit day at the office. I think she may swing public opinion behind her.0 -
what's Fox up to anyway0
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I think Boycott's position is home rule for Yorkshire.kle4 said:As Geoffrey Boycott weighed in yet on his thoughts on May's deal?
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That would be her Falklands moment.numbertwelve said:
I’d give it to Anna Soubry just for the lols.grabcocque said:May is either going to have to keep Brexit Secretary vacant (looks ridiculous) or appoint a remainer (and further antagonise the noisy majority of her party baying for her blood).
Can't imagine any brexiteer touching that job with a shitty stick now.
And she would suffer the same fate as Galtieri.
There's trolling, and there's stupidity.0 -
who cares?TheWhiteRabbit said:what's Fox up to anyway
It's disgraced national security risk Liam Fox.0 -
Actually, if she thinks she's going to lose the vote anyway, she might as well offer a free vote.TheWhiteRabbit said:"I understand @PennyMordaunt is in No10 right now pushing the PM AGAIN to back a free vote on her Brexit deal.
Thinks it will avoid need for PM to quit if she loses the meaningful vote."
If May wants to gamble, maybe she hopes this forces Labour to offer a free vote.0 -
Every teacher will be on board.Benpointer said:
I think that press conference will help. Gove resigning would probably help her too tbh.ydoethur said:
Good grief. Corbyn really has misplayed this.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.
What would concern me is that most of us are articulate, well-informed on political matters, fairly intelligent and have read the document with a reasonable chance of understanding it. Most voters will not have read it and have only the haziest ideas of some of the issues at stake. So they may lap up the silly sound bites of Mogg or Corbyn. Indeed, initial polling isn't encouraging.
The point is this is a pretty good compromise in many ways. But I remember I wrote an essay for A-level about how the Whig governments of Grey and Melbourne lost popularity by producing policies too timid to please the radicals and yet too liberal for the reactionaries even though many could be justified on their merits. Perhaps May has fallen into the same trap.0 -
So I can say 'traitorous pig dog?'TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Angry old man I thoughttwistedfirestopper3 said:
I think it means that anyone who doesn't agree with JayW is a fat, red faced, racist xenophobe who is beneath contempt and shouldn't have a vote, but I may be wrong.Benpointer said:
What does that even mean?JayW said:I had a hunch that Brexit would be the Gammon Waterloo.
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On an issue this important how could anyone not vote their conscience even if it were not a free vote?Benpointer said:
Actually, if she thinks she's going to lose the vote anyway, she might as well offer a free vote.TheWhiteRabbit said:"I understand @PennyMordaunt is in No10 right now pushing the PM AGAIN to back a free vote on her Brexit deal.
Thinks it will avoid need for PM to quit if she loses the meaningful vote."
If May wants to gamble, maybe she hopes this forces Labour to offer a free vote.0 -
I think this is right. May's deal is (was?) a good compromise, one that accurately reflected the extremely narrow margin by which Leave won, attempted to respect it as much as possible, and took us out of the barmier side of the EU while maintaining close economic ties.ydoethur said:
Good grief. Corbyn really has misplayed this.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.
What would concern me is that most of us are articulate, well-informed on political matters, fairly intelligent and have read the document with a reasonable chance of understanding it. Most voters will not have read it and have only the haziest ideas of some of the issues at stake. So they may lap up the silly sound bites of Mogg or Corbyn. Indeed, initial polling isn't encouraging.
The point is this is a pretty good compromise in many ways. But I remember I wrote an essay for A-level about how the Whig governments of Grey and Melbourne lost popularity by producing policies too timid to please the radicals and yet too liberal for the reactionaries even though many could be justified on their merits. Perhaps May has fallen into the same trap.
The trouble is most people don't spend their days hanging out on forums such as these discussing the minutiae of the policy.
For what it's worth, most of the people I know IRL (a fair mix of remainers and leavers as well as a few Brendas from Bristol) think the deal was good, but they also think May is hopelessly incompetent and has lost control of the situation, therefore has to go. Most people I chatted to today believe it is a case of when, not if, she goes. She's been fatally weakened and no longer looks like a leader or able to deliver.0 -
Yougov finds voters back a second EU referendum if Parliament rejects May's Deal by a huge 64% to 36% margin
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/first-poll-since-brexit-deal-voters-want-a-new-referendum-a3990851.html?amp0 -
Good idea for free vote from Mordaunt but she also wants deal re-negotiation which May will refuse.TheWhiteRabbit said:"I understand @PennyMordaunt is in No10 right now pushing the PM AGAIN to back a free vote on her Brexit deal.
Thinks it will avoid need for PM to quit if she loses the meaningful vote."
If May wants to gamble, maybe she hopes this forces Labour to offer a free vote.0 -
The last I read (Express) was that he had done a super duper trade deal with Sierra Leone.TheWhiteRabbit said:what's Fox up to anyway
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I’ve always rather liked Gove ( but then I am not a teacher). But this sucker is going down and sometimes you just have to go down with the ship.ydoethur said:
Did he send it at 11.11?kle4 said:I like the hard turn in the middle of Lammy's tweet
The Prime Minister did not resign today, but she is the walking dead. Her deal has been rejected by all sides, and she has nowhere left to turn. Millions are now crying out for new direction and the chance to remain in the EU.
It's been rejected by all sides, but the only ones who matter are the ones who want a chance to remain?
I'm glad it was a quiet day today. I said no cabinet ministers could resign without losing all credibility and I was right.
It is rather nice than non-teachers finally understand how we all feel about Gove.0 -
Why has Grayling not resigned?0
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May will refuse both, and after a day a pathetic grovelling from Mordaunt to find a reason not to resign, she will have to do the right thing.David_Evershed said:
Good idea for free vote from Mordaunt but she also wants deal re-negotiation which May will refuse.TheWhiteRabbit said:"I understand @PennyMordaunt is in No10 right now pushing the PM AGAIN to back a free vote on her Brexit deal.
Thinks it will avoid need for PM to quit if she loses the meaningful vote."
If May wants to gamble, maybe she hopes this forces Labour to offer a free vote.0 -
How so? Politically he is now well placed because his rebels do not appear to be keen to vote for the government, and a GE has risen in likelihood.ydoethur said:
Good grief. Corbyn really has misplayed this.Benpointer said:
It is strange that most on here saw the deal as a reasonable compromise but the ERG and DUP have thrown their toys out of the pram and Labour are cynically pursuing the chance of a GE.AnneJGP said:
I logged off last night whilst PBers were reporting snippets from the text of the deal and finding unusual common ground that it would be OK for most of the country.RoyalBlue said:Have checked out for 4 hours. Has anything exciting happened?
I logged on again this afternoon to find a foreign land where everyone was berating the Leavers.
Hopefully the common ground will eventually gain recognition & acceptance.
Good evening, everyone.
I wonder if over the next couple of weeks saner voices will be heard in Westminster. I think TMay was right to say that people justwant this done.0
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