I cannot watch it, but in fairness nothing has changed. The rebels have hardened position but it was always their position. She didn't have the numbers and she still doesn't.
A vote is not necessary to secure agreement, nor does absence of a vote indicate agreement or disagreement. Vote or not everyone's views were know, and those who didn't like it quit, what would a vote have achieved that would be different?
There is a point at which one's delusion becomes so all encompassing it becomes harmful.
Somebody who loves her surely needs to help her down gently.
I do wish people would stop this delusion line, to the point of accusing her of mental health issues, in effect. She's being stubborn and forcing the hand of her opponents to take action rather than make it easy for them and bow out. That does not mean she is delusional even if she is acting poorly.
There is a point at which one's delusion becomes so all encompassing it becomes harmful.
Somebody who loves her surely needs to help her down gently.
I do wish people would stop this delusion line, to the point of accusing her of mental health issues, in effect. She's being stubborn and forcing the hand of her opponents to take action rather than make it easy for them and bow out. That does not mean she is delusional even if she is acting poorly.
McVey asked for a vote at Cabinet but May blocked it (as she is entitled to do according to her Cabinet civil servant).
Because she feard she would lose it.
Nonsense - if that was the case there would have been a lot more resignations. The Cabinet of the United Kingdom are not children who felt compelled today to stay in post because they didn't get to have a vote at Cabinet.
Given that, other than Norway for now, there is no other credible route in town toward Brexit, she is actually doing her job by fighting for her deal and leaving it to others to decide whether to bring her and/or the deal down.
McVey asked for a vote at Cabinet but May blocked it (as she is entitled to do according to her Cabinet civil servant).
Because she feard she would lose it.
Nonsense - if that was the case there would have been a lot more resignations. The Cabinet of the United Kingdom are not children who felt compelled today to stay in post because they didn't get to have a vote at Cabinet.
I don't think the resignations are over yet. Nowhere near.
This conference will just make her Cabinet colleagues roll their eyes.....
There is a point at which one's delusion becomes so all encompassing it becomes harmful.
Somebody who loves her surely needs to help her down gently.
I do wish people would stop this delusion line, to the point of accusing her of mental health issues, in effect. She's being stubborn and forcing the hand of her opponents to take action rather than make it easy for them and bow out. That does not mean she is delusional even if she is acting poorly.
Well said
She is totally failing to engage with the problem in front of her.
She's doing exactly what I said she'd do a couple of days ago: doing her duty as she sees it, and presenting the deal to parliament:
Actually Theresa May is, from a personal point of view, in rather a good position as regards her future reputation as PM (no really, don't fall off your chair quite yet). She's done her best, everyone agrees. She seems, against serious odds, to have come back with an outline deal. There are now two possibilities for her personally:
1. Success!
2. She can't get it past the cabinet and parliament. In which case she can with honour say she has done her duty and presented what she considers to be the best achievable outcome. She will then, I think, resign. Since colleagues don't like what she brought back, let someone else see if they can do better. (Hint: they can't - she'll be vindicated by subsequent events).
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
She's still hoping for something, ANYTHING, to save her deal when eventually it goes to a vote
It's pretty desperate, but I think she has called one thing correctly all along this negotiation process - her internal opponents hate what she is doing but are incredibly reluctant to be the ones taking over, particularly given the late stage.
That's not exactly a positive thing for us all, but I don't think many people really want the job right now. Corbyn even would probably wait until after Brexit, though the nature of the job means he has to appear keen to take over at any moment.
I think she is fantastic, how she does this is beyond me
She's an awful political leader, but she's done a good job finding a compromise where seemingly none existed, amid all the constraints of time, GFA, and all the EU's different priorities.
Two problems with her speech 1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity 2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
I think she is fantastic, how she does this is beyond me
Well quite. Her salesmanship is awful but she's delivered a Brexit deal, low unemployment, low inflation, growth, deficit reduction. It's a bloody amazing Gov't and people will only realise it when we're in Corbyn's third year of office.
There is a point at which one's delusion becomes so all encompassing it becomes harmful.
Somebody who loves her surely needs to help her down gently.
I do wish people would stop this delusion line, to the point of accusing her of mental health issues, in effect. She's being stubborn and forcing the hand of her opponents to take action rather than make it easy for them and bow out. That does not mean she is delusional even if she is acting poorly.
Well said
She is totally failing to engage with the problem in front of her.
But no Tory leader for a generation has succeeded in resolving that problem. Cammo thought that he had a clever solution, and look where we are now.
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"Nothing has changed"
So, option 3
Hmm....because there was no vote.
:-)
Glad she said this is Conservative responsibility.
the needle returns to the start of the song
and we all sing along like before" - Theresa May, 2018
There is a point at which one's delusion becomes so all encompassing it becomes harmful.
Somebody who loves her surely needs to help her down gently.
Surprised she hasn't collapsed frankly.
It's actually awkward to watch. Like we're torturing a scared old lady who is so confused she doesn't even understand the basic nature of her reality.
If there was anyone around her who really cared, they could and should put a stop to this.
This conference will just make her Cabinet colleagues roll their eyes.....
Shades of Tricky Dicky in his Watergate pre-resignation contortions.
Actually Theresa May is, from a personal point of view, in rather a good position as regards her future reputation as PM (no really, don't fall off your chair quite yet). She's done her best, everyone agrees. She seems, against serious odds, to have come back with an outline deal. There are now two possibilities for her personally:
1. Success!
2. She can't get it past the cabinet and parliament. In which case she can with honour say she has done her duty and presented what she considers to be the best achievable outcome. She will then, I think, resign. Since colleagues don't like what she brought back, let someone else see if they can do better. (Hint: they can't - she'll be vindicated by subsequent events).
1. She makes claims about her wonder deal not backed by fact or sanity
2. She still thinks that saying "national interest" will make MPs change their minds and back it
If Brady didn't have the letters before surely he will now
That's not exactly a positive thing for us all, but I don't think many people really want the job right now. Corbyn even would probably wait until after Brexit, though the nature of the job means he has to appear keen to take over at any moment.
She'd have made a good Brexit Secretary .......
And then there is an inability to clearly perceive the situation.
Half a manifesto there
There is literally nothing that would satisfy the ERG nutters, other than No Deal.
She's facing down the Tory headbangers plus Magic Grandad and the gang and telling them to vote it down, so it is on them.