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That was May's strategy through the EU Ref and it managed to bag her the PM position.grabcocque said:Gove is going to have to come out of hiding at some point. He can't stay in a quantum superposition of Brexit secretary/Not brexit secretary/resigned/unresigned forever.
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We already can, but only for the first fifteen years that we're abroad. I honestly think that's a fair compromise. If you're away that long you're probably not coming back, unless to retire.OneArmedBadger said:
b) allow UK citizens living overseas to vote postally.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that must be the right thing to do. It's high-risk, for all the reasons we've explored, and highly unsatisfactory on a number of counts, but since there is no chance at all of the EU agreeing a better deal than the PM has managed to achieve, and since leaving without a deal would be absolutely catastrophic, the only possible way out if parliament won't accept the deal is to reverse the People's Vote, and the only possible way of doing that with sufficient democratic cover would be to re-run it. Of course, it would be a 50-50 shot at best, but that's better than a 100% chance of disaster. (And both are worse than a near-100% chance of a decent result, which parliament seem set to reject. Hey-ho)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hufflepuff surely?DavidL said:
My point was I wasn't quite so sure about Penny Mordaunt who always sounds like a character out of Harry Potter to me, probably Slytherin.OblitusSumMe said:
Yes, my point was that the Guardian's desire for completeness included them, indeed it includes a Downing Street official who has also resigned, even though politically there is a tendency to overlook them.DavidL said:
Some of these PPS's have real jobs.OblitusSumMe said:
She's not made it onto the Guardian liveblog as resigned, and they have a list with all the PPS resignations.Richard_Nabavi said:Hang on, I'm losing track: Has Penny Mordaunt resigned and been completely forgotten about in the general brouhaha, or is she still in Cabinet?
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I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
I know it can be confusing for Islamophobes such as yourself but Corbyn continuing Ed's policies opposing the occupation of Palestine isn't anti semitism. Embrace the realityJosiasJessop said:
Same can be said for you and Corbyn's anti-Semitism. Embrace the reality.TheJezziah said:
Blaming Labour for the current mess may make some Tories feel better about themselves but they would probably be better off confronting reality.TheScreamingEagles said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?0 -
And it has been Labour's Brexit position too.....Alistair said:
That was May's strategy through the EU Ref and it managed to bag her the PM position.grabcocque said:Gove is going to have to come out of hiding at some point. He can't stay in a quantum superposition of Brexit secretary/Not brexit secretary/resigned/unresigned forever.
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"Eastbourne Lib Dem @StephenLloydEBN tells BBC Sussex he’ll honour his #ge2017 pledge and vote FOR whatever Brexit deal is put before Parliament"
one rebel down, 29 (at least) to go0 -
Javid and Hunt are going way down in my estimation. If they are too cowardly to go out and fight hard for this deal even though they back it, or too cowardly to resign if they do not back it, then they clearly lack any spine whatsoever.shiney2 said:Sky: they are only finding third raters from the Gov to support Theresa. Alan Duncan is their top find!
Supporting this Deal is going to be CV strychnine for any of her wannabe successors. *Nobody* wants to touch it.
I understand Mr Gove is having his wisdom teeth fixed..0 -
NEW THREAD
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Even if you accept that, Corbyn's campaigning during the referendum was so far under cover than he might as well have brought his own duvet.Alistair said:
Well yes, but then Labour would have lost a bunch of seats to the tories at the next election.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn may be stupid but having seen what happened to SLab on the whole "campaign with the Tories thingy" they weren't going to do that again.
Even when he did emerge from small meetings into the light of the media, his nominal support for Remain was so caveated as to render it counterproductive. Likewise, his refusal to engage with the Labour Remain, while also refusing to give it a free hand, meant that it was stymied from doing any real work.
It wasn't that Corbyn wouldn't just campaign with the Tories on the EURef1; he effectively prevented Labour from campaigning at all.0 -
kle I think you are being a bit harsh, they are probably meeting colleagues now rather than briefing the cameraskle4 said:
Javid and Hunt are going way down in my estimation. If they are too cowardly to go out and fight hard for this deal even though they back it, or too cowardly to resign if they do not back it, then they clearly lack any spine whatsoever.shiney2 said:Sky: they are only finding third raters from the Gov to support Theresa. Alan Duncan is their top find!
Supporting this Deal is going to be CV strychnine for any of her wannabe successors. *Nobody* wants to touch it.
I understand Mr Gove is having his wisdom teeth fixed..0 -
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
I know it can be confusing for Islamophobes such as yourself but Corbyn continuing Ed's policies opposing the occupation of Palestine isn't anti semitism. Embrace the realityJosiasJessop said:
Same can be said for you and Corbyn's anti-Semitism. Embrace the reality.TheJezziah said:
Blaming Labour for the current mess may make some Tories feel better about themselves but they would probably be better off confronting reality.TheScreamingEagles said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.
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He's probably waiting to see if the 47.99 letters tick over today or tomorrow.kle4 said:
I've still not seen an answer as to why we need Brexit secretary. They seem to claim they never see anything until it is too late anyway, so just have the department report directly to the PM.grabcocque said:Gove is going to have to come out of hiding at some point. He can't stay in a quantum superposition of Brexit secretary/Not brexit secretary/resigned/unresigned forever.
It's one less Cabinet Minister to inevitably resign.0 -
I think the people vote would want the following questionTGOHF said:
has anyone calling for a second referendum any idea what the question might be ?Richard_Nabavi said:
I think that must be the right thing to do. It's high-risk, for all the reasons we've explored, and highly unsatisfactory on a number of counts, but since there is no chance at all of the EU agreeing a better deal than the PM has managed to achieve, and since leaving without a deal would be absolutely catastrophic, the only possible way out is to reverse the People's Vote, and the only possible way of doing that with sufficient democratic cover would be to re-run it. Of course, it would be a 50-50 shot at best, but that's better than a 100% chance of disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:
In light of the deal struck by Theresa May would you like to
(A) remain in the EU0 -
Didn't someone mention Harry Potter earlier?
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/10630792145077944330 -
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
I know it can be confusing for Islamophobes such as yourself but Corbyn continuing Ed's policies opposing the occupation of Palestine isn't anti semitism. Embrace the realityJosiasJessop said:
Same can be said for you and Corbyn's anti-Semitism. Embrace the reality.TheJezziah said:
Blaming Labour for the current mess may make some Tories feel better about themselves but they would probably be better off confronting reality.TheScreamingEagles said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.0 -
What prejudiced views do you think I have?TheJezziah said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
I know it can be confusing for Islamophobes such as yourself but Corbyn continuing Ed's policies opposing the occupation of Palestine isn't anti semitism. Embrace the realityJosiasJessop said:
Same can be said for you and Corbyn's anti-Semitism. Embrace the reality.TheJezziah said:
Blaming Labour for the current mess may make some Tories feel better about themselves but they would probably be better off confronting reality.TheScreamingEagles said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.0 -
I called you an Islamophobe earlier, I'd like to think you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so I will let you figure it out from there.JosiasJessop said:
What prejudiced views do you think I have?TheJezziah said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
I know it can be confusing for Islamophobes such as yourself but Corbyn continuing Ed's policies opposing the occupation of Palestine isn't anti semitism. Embrace the realityJosiasJessop said:
Same can be said for you and Corbyn's anti-Semitism. Embrace the reality.TheJezziah said:
Blaming Labour for the current mess may make some Tories feel better about themselves but they would probably be better off confronting reality.TheScreamingEagles said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.0 -
Do you wantTGOHF said:
has anyone calling for a second referendum any idea what the question might be ?
1) The Government (whoever that is) to carry on pursuing Brexit at any and all costs so it stays in the news for the next 20 years
2) Pretend the vote never happened and have a nice cup of tea instead0 -
So you don't have any reason to call me an Islamaphobe, and it's just an accusation you throw about. Cool.TheJezziah said:
I called you an Islamophobe earlier, I'd like to think you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so I will let you figure it out from there.JosiasJessop said:
What prejudiced views do you think I have?TheJezziah said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
I know it can be confusing for Islamophobes such as yourself but Corbyn continuing Ed's policies opposing the occupation of Palestine isn't anti semitism. Embrace the realityJosiasJessop said:
Same can be said for you and Corbyn's anti-Semitism. Embrace the reality.TheJezziah said:
Blaming Labour for the current mess may make some Tories feel better about themselves but they would probably be better off confronting reality.TheScreamingEagles said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.0 -
*Islamophobe.JosiasJessop said:
So you don't have any reason to call me an Islamaphobe, and it's just an accusation you throw about. Cool.TheJezziah said:
I called you an Islamophobe earlier, I'd like to think you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so I will let you figure it out from there.JosiasJessop said:
What prejudiced views do you think I have?TheJezziah said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.
I also said you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so it was a genuine assessment rather than needless insult.0 -
How aboutScott_P said:
Do you wantTGOHF said:
has anyone calling for a second referendum any idea what the question might be ?
1) The Government (whoever that is) to carry on pursuing Brexit at any and all costs so it stays in the news for the next 20 years
2) Pretend the vote never happened and have a nice cup of tea instead
Do you want
1) The govt to leave, never speak about the EU again and spend the £39Bn .
2) 20 more years of talking about Brexit.
Don't think it would be that close..0 -
Look, you're being stupid now. Just say why you think that's the case.TheJezziah said:
*Islamophobe.JosiasJessop said:
So you don't have any reason to call me an Islamaphobe, and it's just an accusation you throw about. Cool.TheJezziah said:
I called you an Islamophobe earlier, I'd like to think you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so I will let you figure it out from there.JosiasJessop said:
What prejudiced views do you think I have?TheJezziah said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. I am not an Islamaphobe. Far from. I stand by my record on here of calling out Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism, and it says nothing positive about you that you descend to that level.TheJezziah said:
But for the record, Corbyn's doing much more than than you say. And people should stop hiding their anti-Semitism behind anti-Zionism.
I should ask how bonfire night went for you. Did you mix up your Katyusha and sparklers?
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.
I also said you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so it was a genuine assessment rather than needless insult.0 -
BREAKING T May statement within next hour and a half0
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I don't respond to your posts (the ones not specifically directed at me) anymore because I think you are an angry man, I apologise for rising to the bait of you responding to me, I shall try to ignore it in future.JosiasJessop said:
Look, you're being stupid now. Just say why you think that's the case.TheJezziah said:
*Islamophobe.JosiasJessop said:
So you don't have any reason to call me an Islamaphobe, and it's just an accusation you throw about. Cool.TheJezziah said:
I called you an Islamophobe earlier, I'd like to think you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so I will let you figure it out from there.JosiasJessop said:
What prejudiced views do you think I have?TheJezziah said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.
I also said you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so it was a genuine assessment rather than needless insult.0 -
You're projecting.TheJezziah said:
I don't respond to your posts (the ones not specifically directed at me) anymore because I think you are an angry man, I apologise for rising to the bait of you responding to me, I shall try to ignore it in future.JosiasJessop said:
Look, you're being stupid now. Just say why you think that's the case.TheJezziah said:
*Islamophobe.JosiasJessop said:
So you don't have any reason to call me an Islamaphobe, and it's just an accusation you throw about. Cool.TheJezziah said:
I called you an Islamophobe earlier, I'd like to think you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so I will let you figure it out from there.JosiasJessop said:
What prejudiced views do you think I have?TheJezziah said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... you'll probably drop your prejudiced views before I would even consider apologising for calling you out on them.JosiasJessop said:
I don't need to cool off, thanks. Please answer the question: why do you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe, which is quite an accusation to make.TheJezziah said:
I think you should take the advice of someone else earlier and go for a walk, cool off.JosiasJessop said:
Angry, nah. Amused. I'm quite enjoying today.TheJezziah said:
I think your just consistent in being an angry man, Islamophobes are often angry people.JosiasJessop said:
I'm intrigued why you keep on calling me an Islamaphobe. As far as I can tell, it's because I say that both the Palestinians and Israelis have to make moves to peace, and that my calls for he Palestinian groups to stop launching rockets (or in your words, fireworks) are a sign of a feverish Islamaphobe.
Despite the fact I say the Israelis have more moves to make as well.
Is that it, or have I committed some other sin?
I suggest you either say why you think it's the case, or apologise.
I also said you aren't quite as stupid as you pretend to be so it was a genuine assessment rather than needless insult.
And that's not an apology. It's quite simple: just say: "Josias Jessop, I am sorry for baselessly accusing you of being an Islamaphobe."0
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