So what are we going to offer this bunch of zealots to get them to support Conservative party policies? They will need something to show their supporters if they are going to sell this. The real complications are going to come with what they want on the Irish border.
Does the Farage proposal have any chance of being accepted by Tory MPs?
....So does it?
I presume it was Aaron Banks or one of his proxys who funded the DUP's Brexit campaign. Banks must be calling in favours. No way any sane Tory would stand for it though.
If DUP insist - Means new leader, new election, and Corbyn is PM.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
So what are we going to offer this bunch of zealots to get them to support Conservative party policies? They will need something to show their supporters if they are going to sell this. The real complications are going to come with what they want on the Irish border.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
Not sure why the march is banned not a Mail fan but that may help
Is that the political equivalent of full support of the board?
It's odd that whoever screenshotted that has 'MP' tagged onto Gove's and Burns' names in their contact book. Who would do that? Makes me think it could be just a piece of fake propaganda put out by the plotters.
Seems sensible to be honest, a check so you don't send messages to similarity named journos or the like.
We should hope that this is real and the lunatic demands are such that May cannot accept them. Get this farce over as soon as possible. The only reasonable solution now is a new Tory leader followed by a new election.
What another one? It'll upset our famous west country voter
If I may return to June 9th and TM's visit to the Palace. Contrary to what most people believe there was no constitutional requirement for her to do that - PMs are not reappointed after General Elections under our system but simply carry on in office or resign to make way for someone else. The visit to see the Queen,therefore, was more out of courtesy and to inform the monarch of her intentions given the unclear election outcome. It was certainly not a question of 'TM seeking permission to form a Government'. Thatcher did not visit the Palace when re-elected in 1983 & 1987 - neither did Wilson in 1966 & October 1974. Blair seems to have begun this new tendency by going to the Palace when re-elected in 2001 & 2005. Cameron followed his example in 2015 - but it really is more of a photo-opportunity than something the PM is obliged to do. There is a lot of ignorance on this extending to jounalists such as Laura Kuensberg!
I'm more than happy to believe you but do you have links for Thatcher not visiting the Palace in 1983 & 1987 or Wilson in 1966?
Hold on, isn't the difference that it was obvious the PM in question could command a majority of the House?
So they obviously just carried on.
May had to go to ensure she had her Maj's permission to have a go at trying to command a majority.
Is that the political equivalent of full support of the board?
It's odd that whoever screenshotted that has 'MP' tagged onto Gove's and Burns' names in their contact book. Who would do that? Makes me think it could be just a piece of fake propaganda put out by the plotters.
Seems sensible to be honest, a check so you don't send messages to similarity named journos or the like.
People thought there was a chance Corbyn could lead the Labour party to extinction, but instead he got the same result as Gordon Brown. So a relative success, but an actual failure.
It was also said he didn't want to be PM just to make Labour a hard left party again, well he has achieved that.
I'm pretty sure that the only way forward for the Tories to 'renew' themselves is a period of opposition. Let Labour deal with the fallout from Brexit.
So what are we going to offer this bunch of zealots to get them to support Conservative party policies? They will need something to show their supporters if they are going to sell this. The real complications are going to come with what they want on the Irish border.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
I guess after ripping up the generational contract, decades of foreign policy, our hard-fought post-empire trading agreements and a big chunk of the constitution, it's logical that the good friday agreement is next in the shredder.
The rightwing headbanging anarchists are going to achieve the impossible, making Jeremy Corbyn PM.
In fairness, quite a few of them openly joined labour to vote for him two years ago.
They live in an odd world where they're always up for fighty fighty and do whatever they can to empower their enemies.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
When it comes to Norn Iron, *nothing* is trivial.
I guess. A sad state of affairs when freedom to protest is curtailed in the name of not triggering republicans though.
I'm still struggling to see why Corbyn and McDonnell being IRA sympathisers is not an issue while the DUP being religious zealots is. But that does seem to be where we are.
I fear you must have been tone deaf for the past seven weeks or was it my imagination that the Conservatives and their press allies might have mentioned Corbyn, McDonnell and the IRA/Hamas link about a gazillion times per nano second.
From a UK perspective, albeit one that I do not share, there is nothing wrong with the leading unionist party in GB collaborating with another unionist party such as the DUP - I suspect that May is in accord with their Christian values.
It is quite another matter for parties that aspire to govern the UK to collaborate or even consider collaborating with parties that are enemies of the state such as the SNP or SF.
The Scottish National party may have won a majority of Scottish seats at Westminster on Thursday, but Nicola Sturgeon, the party leader and Scotland’s first minister, emerged from the election a diminished figure, facing growing criticism over her government’s record and her decision to push for a second independence referendum.
“I think Sturgeon is damaged. She had a really bad campaign,” said Michael Keating, professor of politics at the University of Aberdeen. “She looked tired. The shine is going off her.”
This is the best bit James Kelly, a political blogger and SNP member, says it would be a “historic error” for Ms Sturgeon to reverse policy on a referendum that she announced just three months ago.
“I think its going to make her look ineffectual,” Mr Kelly said. “It’s very difficult to back down on that without alienating her supporters.”
“If the SNP appease the sworn opponents of independence and jettison an independence referendum, then I am going to walk away from the SNP,” wrote one commentator on Mr Kelly’s blog.
Yes, James, you tell her. Stick to her guns. Onwards, to another victory like this one...
So what are we going to offer this bunch of zealots to get them to support Conservative party policies? They will need something to show their supporters if they are going to sell this. The real complications are going to come with what they want on the Irish border.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
I guess after ripping up the generational contract, decades of foreign policy, our hard-fought post-empire trading agreements and a big chunk of the constitution, it's logical that the good friday agreement is next in the shredder.
The rightwing headbanging anarchists are going to achieve the impossible, making Jeremy Corbyn PM.
In fairness, quite a few of them openly joined labour to vote for him two years ago.
They live in an odd world where they're always up for fighty fighty and do whatever they can to empower their enemies.
The three quidders who joined to vote for him and virtue signalling Labour MPs who nominated him look a bit silly now
So what are we going to offer this bunch of zealots to get them to support Conservative party policies? They will need something to show their supporters if they are going to sell this. The real complications are going to come with what they want on the Irish border.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
I guess after ripping up the generational contract, decades of foreign policy, our hard-fought post-empire trading agreements and a big chunk of the constitution, it's logical that the good friday agreement is next in the shredder.
The rightwing headbanging anarchists are going to achieve the impossible, making Jeremy Corbyn PM.
In fairness, quite a few of them openly joined labour to vote for him two years ago.
They live in an odd world where they're always up for fighty fighty and do whatever they can to empower their enemies.
The DUP are odd. They aren't gay friendly to start with, but then neither are many Muslims, a group which underpin a fair few Labour majorities.
I don't see a way out for the Tories, though. Letting Jezza form a weak minority government would be great for him. Three months of goodies, and then he's forced to call a GE. Even I could navigate my way through that.
Stumbling on with the Grey Queen is no better for the Tories. Her ratings won't improve with another U-turn on her manifesto .
And even changing their leader would be fraught with difficulty vote-wise. Whoever it is wouldn't have time to bed in before the inevitable GE. Plus momentum (not the group) is all one-way. The sweeties have been offered.
So what are we going to offer this bunch of zealots to get them to support Conservative party policies? They will need something to show their supporters if they are going to sell this. The real complications are going to come with what they want on the Irish border.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
I guess after ripping up the generational contract, decades of foreign policy, our hard-fought post-empire trading agreements and a big chunk of the constitution, it's logical that the good friday agreement is next in the shredder.
The rightwing headbanging anarchists are going to achieve the impossible, making Jeremy Corbyn PM.
In fairness, quite a few of them openly joined labour to vote for him two years ago.
They live in an odd world where they're always up for fighty fighty and do whatever they can to empower their enemies.
The three quidders who joined to vote for him and virtue signalling Labour MPs who nominated him look a bit silly now
I don't think those who made lots of money off the back of it regret it!
One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Not with May. And the 'brand' is damaged. The only way they can do is to get a leader which can kill a few sacred cows. Grammar schools need to go in the dustbin, as does fox hunting.
A commitment to actually deal with social care and the NHS is needed, even it it means putting put both income tax (the lib dems 1p on the basis rate didn't scare the horses) and actually needing a death tax (not a dementia tax).
Why not have a death tax of say 5% over 100k? (as well as inheritance tax). That doesn't seem onerous particaully it's clear, and measureable.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
When it comes to Norn Iron, *nothing* is trivial.
I guess. A sad state of affairs when freedom to protest is curtailed in the name of not triggering republicans though.
Find the utube video of yesterday's march in Liverpool where they attacked an Irish pub
The Scottish National party may have won a majority of Scottish seats at Westminster on Thursday, but Nicola Sturgeon, the party leader and Scotland’s first minister, emerged from the election a diminished figure, facing growing criticism over her government’s record and her decision to push for a second independence referendum.
“I think Sturgeon is damaged. She had a really bad campaign,” said Michael Keating, professor of politics at the University of Aberdeen. “She looked tired. The shine is going off her.”
This is the best bit James Kelly, a political blogger and SNP member, says it would be a “historic error” for Ms Sturgeon to reverse policy on a referendum that she announced just three months ago.
“I think its going to make her look ineffectual,” Mr Kelly said. “It’s very difficult to back down on that without alienating her supporters.”
“If the SNP appease the sworn opponents of independence and jettison an independence referendum, then I am going to walk away from the SNP,” wrote one commentator on Mr Kelly’s blog.
Yes, James, you tell her. Stick to her guns. Onwards, to another victory like this one...
One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
When it comes to Norn Iron, *nothing* is trivial.
I guess. A sad state of affairs when freedom to protest is curtailed in the name of not triggering republicans though.
I suspect if it was some religion other than Protestant Christian people would be rather less sanguine about the marches.
Not sure I see why the march is banned in the first place, we let anti-austerity nutters bugger up central London at regular intervals. If something so trivial would help win the DUP over I say go for it.
When it comes to Norn Iron, *nothing* is trivial.
I guess. A sad state of affairs when freedom to protest is curtailed in the name of not triggering republicans though.
I suspect if it was some religion other than Protestant Christian people would be rather less sanguine about the marches.
Probably applies in the opposite direction too, to be honest.
One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Not with May. And the 'brand' is damaged. The only way they can do is to get a leader which can kill a few sacred cows. Grammar schools need to go in the dustbin, as does fox hunting.
A commitment to actually deal with social care and the NHS is needed, even it it means putting put both income tax (the lib dems 1p on the basis rate didn't scare the horses) and actually needing a death tax (not a dementia tax).
Why not have a death tax of say 5% over 100k? (as well as inheritance tax). That doesn't seem onerous particaully it's clear, and measureable.
May is clearly the worst PM in modern times. True she hasn't actually lost the unloseable election but she had a damn good try.
Owning a house worth about £200k means I'd be able to spend £100k on living it up in my dotage - I'm nearly there already. Although I'm not sure I'm up to the wine, women and song.
The Scottish National party may have won a majority of Scottish seats at Westminster on Thursday, but Nicola Sturgeon, the party leader and Scotland’s first minister, emerged from the election a diminished figure, facing growing criticism over her government’s record and her decision to push for a second independence referendum.
“I think Sturgeon is damaged. She had a really bad campaign,” said Michael Keating, professor of politics at the University of Aberdeen. “She looked tired. The shine is going off her.”
This is the best bit James Kelly, a political blogger and SNP member, says it would be a “historic error” for Ms Sturgeon to reverse policy on a referendum that she announced just three months ago.
“I think its going to make her look ineffectual,” Mr Kelly said. “It’s very difficult to back down on that without alienating her supporters.”
“If the SNP appease the sworn opponents of independence and jettison an independence referendum, then I am going to walk away from the SNP,” wrote one commentator on Mr Kelly’s blog.
Yes, James, you tell her. Stick to her guns. Onwards, to another victory like this one...
My aunt who lives in a pretty village outside Canterbury is mortified at the result there. However the relative unpopularity of Julian Brazier was undoubtedly a factor.
I doubt he was expecting to fight another election. Boundary changes will substantially change the seat and I think he was going to lose out to a neighbouring MP for the candidacy.
I'm still struggling to see why Corbyn and McDonnell being IRA sympathisers is not an issue while the DUP being religious zealots is. But that does seem to be where we are.
I fear you must have been tone deaf for the past seven weeks or was it my imagination that the Conservatives and their press allies might have mentioned Corbyn, McDonnell and the IRA/Hamas link about a gazillion times per nano second.
From a UK perspective, albeit one that I do not share, there is nothing wrong with the leading unionist party in GB collaborating with another unionist party such as the DUP - I suspect that May is in accord with their Christian values.
It is quite another matter for parties that aspire to govern the UK to collaborate or even consider collaborating with parties that are enemies of the state such as the SNP or SF.
You forgot to add Plaid Cymru, the SDLP and the Scottish Green Party to your hit list.
I'm still struggling to see why Corbyn and McDonnell being IRA sympathisers is not an issue while the DUP being religious zealots is. But that does seem to be where we are.
I fear you must have been tone deaf for the past seven weeks or was it my imagination that the Conservatives and their press allies might have mentioned Corbyn, McDonnell and the IRA/Hamas link about a gazillion times per nano second.
From a UK perspective, albeit one that I do not share, there is nothing wrong with the leading unionist party in GB collaborating with another unionist party such as the DUP - I suspect that May is in accord with their Christian values.
It is quite another matter for parties that aspire to govern the UK to collaborate or even consider collaborating with parties that are enemies of the state such as the SNP or SF.
You forgot to add Plaid Cymru, the SDLP and the Scottish Green Party to your hit list.
You forgot the the SDLP got wiped out by Sinn Fein. No NI nationalists sitting in Parliament.
@jessicaelgot: Damian Green appointed First Secretary of State and Minister for the Cabinet Office.
Good move. Although pro-EU, Green stated he accepted the referendum result, so the Leavers will wave through his appointment, though he'll probably remain on probation.
Owning a house worth about £200k means I'd be able to spend £100k on living it up in my dotage - I'm nearly there already. Although I'm not sure I'm up to the wine, women and song.
Yeah but if you had £200k, a bill of £5k wouldn't be huge. Especially if married couples made it £200k. (as the transfer between married couples would be exempt, like IHT is).
Taxes have to start moving from income to wealth, its going to be the only way forward. Otherwise working people are going to have to pay more and more for elderly services as demographics change.
To be fair at the time they were right that he was a crap leader. He had a huge number of failures in leading his party, his tenure as LOTO pre election was largely shambolic. Of course the wipeout predictions were wide of the mark. His strength lay in being a great campaigner. With a fresh start now, his test now is to prove he can lead when he actually has the support of the PLP at large, and the wind beneath his sails. I don't think he looked un-prime ministerial on Marr this morning, he seems very at ease now.
Also, very strange that the tories not play that clip day in day out during the campaign to stoke up divisions in the labour party? They allowed Labour to run a united campaign.
Boris isn't going to be shafted this time. Without Ruth Davidson in the field, I can't see anyone else who has proven to be an election winner. The Tories will want someone with charisma after trying the robot route. Nobody doubts that Boris has that. I'm not saying he would be able to turn the momentum around and win an election but he's probably the only one available who really could.
If I may return to June 9th and TM's visit to the Palace. Contrary to what most people believe there was no constitutional requirement for her to do that - PMs are not reappointed after General Elections under our system but simply carry on in office or resign to make way for someone else. The visit to see the Queen,therefore, was more out of courtesy and to inform the monarch of her intentions given the unclear election outcome. It was certainly not a question of 'TM seeking permission to form a Government'. Thatcher did not visit the Palace when re-elected in 1983 & 1987 - neither did Wilson in 1966 & October 1974. Blair seems to have begun this new tendency by going to the Palace when re-elected in 2001 & 2005. Cameron followed his example in 2015 - but it really is more of a photo-opportunity than something the PM is obliged to do. There is a lot of ignorance on this extending to jounalists such as Laura Kuensberg!
I'm more than happy to believe you but do you have links for Thatcher not visiting the Palace in 1983 & 1987 or Wilson in 1966?
Not immediately to hand - but it is actually very clear from the BBC Parliament replay of those earlier elections. In 1966 Wilson went to Transport House on Friday afternoon to thank party workers but no trip to the Palace. I don't believe that he and Thatcher went to see the Queen until they had drawn up their new lists of Cabinet Ministers a few days later.
"The number on the door comprised the figures one and zero from the standard ‘Trajan’ alphabet approved for use by the Ministry of Works, in which the zero was simply the capital letter O."
So using a capital 'O' instead of zero might be correct.
Boris isn't going to be shafted this time. Without Ruth Davidson in the field, I can't see anyone else who has proven to be an election winner. The Tories will want someone with charisma after trying the robot route. Nobody doubts that Boris has that. I'm not saying he would be able to turn the momentum around and win an election but he's probably the only one available who really could.
Those yougov stats last night don't scream 'election winner' to me.
Tories need fresh blood, preferably from its more liberal wing.
One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Not with May. And the 'brand' is damaged. The only way they can do is to get a leader which can kill a few sacred cows. Grammar schools need to go in the dustbin, as does fox hunting.
A commitment to actually deal with social care and the NHS is needed, even it it means putting put both income tax (the lib dems 1p on the basis rate didn't scare the horses) and actually needing a death tax (not a dementia tax).
Why not have a death tax of say 5% over 100k? (as well as inheritance tax). That doesn't seem onerous particaully it's clear, and measureable.
May is clearly the worst PM in modern times. True she hasn't actually lost the unloseable election but she had a damn good try.
What constitutes "winning" and "losing" and is there any relevance to these labels?
After an Orange Lodge march in my home village in Scotland some of the chaps decided to burn down the local chapel !!
Och, it was surely just a Protestant Banter Group that got a bit carried away.
'Tory candidate apologies after Bloody Sunday post on Facebook
A TORY council candidate who asked people to ‘like’ a picture on Facebook of the Parachute Regiment on Bloody Sunday has apologised for “misjudgements” and causing offence.
Neill Graham, who is standing in the Paisley Northeast and Ralston ward in Renfrewshire, shared the image from the “Proud to be a Protestant banter group”, the Herald revealed.'
One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Not with May. And the 'brand' is damaged. The only way they can do is to get a leader which can kill a few sacred cows. Grammar schools need to go in the dustbin, as does fox hunting.
A commitment to actually deal with social care and the NHS is needed, even it it means putting put both income tax (the lib dems 1p on the basis rate didn't scare the horses) and actually needing a death tax (not a dementia tax).
Why not have a death tax of say 5% over 100k? (as well as inheritance tax). That doesn't seem onerous particaully it's clear, and measureable.
You say kill Grammar schools but what is to be done with UK Education, where the key stats are terrible and getting worse. How little our children learn compared with other nations, how few can speak a foreign language when many on the continent speak several, business knowledge frowned upon, as is even sporting competition.
The biggest promoter of inequality possible is poor Education and in most of those big Labour voting cities 50% plus fail at 16. At least Grammar schools would give a few more of humble background a chance to get to the top end, rather than the current situation where Private Education is so superior, followed by state schools in prosperous areas.
Mr. B, if it comes down to a battle of May's friends versus everyone else, everyone else has the numbers.
Mr. Tonda, aye, similar comments were made by many people during the campaign. Sadly, the sage advice was ignored.
Quite right, Mr.D. But her desperation to cling on, and her desire to keep friendly faces close are not odd. They are quite understandable - and also futile and damaging to her party, not to mention to the chances of managing some sort of orderly Brexit.
I see that daft modern internet phrase "virtual signalling" is polluting the thread yet again. Colour me shocked, go gangbusters etc etc etc...
Yes, I used it. If you are the same Bobajob who isn't meant to comment on what I say, maybe you shouldn't?
And the people who nominated Corbyn to show off how "fair" they were, when really they did it because they thought he was hopeless and had no chance, were VIRTUE SIGNALLING
@RidgeOnSunday: Yvette Cooper says Tory coalition with the DUP could put Northern Ireland peace process in jeopardy #Ridge pic.twitter.com/JnvU5h3u00
@CarolineFlintMP: No it doesn't. Gordon Brown sought deals with DUP. There's lots of other reasons this deal won't work for May. twitter.com/ridgeonsunday/…
One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Not with May. And the 'brand' is damaged. The only way they can do is to get a leader which can kill a few sacred cows. Grammar schools need to go in the dustbin, as does fox hunting.
A commitment to actually deal with social care and the NHS is needed, even it it means putting put both income tax (the lib dems 1p on the basis rate didn't scare the horses) and actually needing a death tax (not a dementia tax).
Why not have a death tax of say 5% over 100k? (as well as inheritance tax). That doesn't seem onerous particaully it's clear, and measureable.
You say kill Grammar schools but what is to be done with UK Education, where the key stats are terrible and getting worse. How little our children learn compared with other nations, how few can speak a foreign language when many on the continent speak several, business knowledge frowned upon, as is even sporting competition.
The biggest promoter of inequality possible is poor Education and in most of those big Labour voting cities 50% plus fail at 16. At least Grammar schools would give a few more of humble background a chance to get to the top end, rather than the current situation where Private Education is so superior, followed by state schools in prosperous areas.
Simple. Give power to teachers and schools to craft curriculum for their children and more freedom in their areas. Streamline academic children and provide vocational services for non-academic children. Invest more in practical and vocational studies.
This doesn't need grammar schools. It can be done in comprehensives (which still set).
Boris isn't going to be shafted this time. Without Ruth Davidson in the field, I can't see anyone else who has proven to be an election winner. The Tories will want someone with charisma after trying the robot route. Nobody doubts that Boris has that. I'm not saying he would be able to turn the momentum around and win an election but he's probably the only one available who really could.
Those yougov stats last night don't scream 'election winner' to me.
Tories need fresh blood, preferably from its more liberal wing.
He was the front of a leave '£350m per week for the NHS' blatant lie and people haven't forgotten that. With the country completely split over Brexit I am not surprised he is Marmite to the public.
After what's been an awful couple of months in British motorsport, BTCC driver Luke Davenport is in an induced coma after a crash during qualifying yesterday.
I don't approve of the DUP deal. I'd prefer a Con-Lib Dem deal. Unfortunately, Farron has decided the purpose of being elected is to oppose the government rather than to try and govern the country, and he's ruled out such a deal.
Boris isn't going to be shafted this time. Without Ruth Davidson in the field, I can't see anyone else who has proven to be an election winner. The Tories will want someone with charisma after trying the robot route. Nobody doubts that Boris has that. I'm not saying he would be able to turn the momentum around and win an election but he's probably the only one available who really could.
Those yougov stats last night don't scream 'election winner' to me.
Tories need fresh blood, preferably from its more liberal wing.
He was the front of a leave '£350m per week for the NHS' blatant lie and people haven't forgotten that. With the country completely split over Brexit I am not surprised he is Marmite to the public.
I can't vote for him.
Well, that particular issue would be solved immediately by him giving the NHS £350m more a week
All the people who used to slag me off for saying they would be nothing without Farage seem reluctant to peddle the myth that he was a drag on their vote now
If May sacks Leadsom that could cause a leadership challenge.
It is odd how Left of centre Times journalist Rachel Sylvester's notorious hatchet job on Leadsom has proved to be so significant. Leadsom's faults were laid bare but how Tories must wish a leadership election had been held.
Mr. Evershed, it's a febrile atmosphere. Polls will likely be volatile for a time. Assuming we don't have another snap election, I'd ignore polls for a couple of weeks, then see how they settle.
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No way any sane Tory would stand for it though.
If DUP insist - Means new leader, new election, and Corbyn is PM.
So they obviously just carried on.
May had to go to ensure she had her Maj's permission to have a go at trying to command a majority.
It was also said he didn't want to be PM just to make Labour a hard left party again, well he has achieved that.
Can we assume that Dave isn't as popular in Cornwall and Somerset as we were told he was ?
The rightwing headbanging anarchists are going to achieve the impossible, making Jeremy Corbyn PM.
In fairness, quite a few of them openly joined labour to vote for him two years ago.
They live in an odd world where they're always up for fighty fighty and do whatever they can to empower their enemies.
It is quite another matter for parties that aspire to govern the UK to collaborate or even consider collaborating with parties that are enemies of the state such as the SNP or SF.
“I think Sturgeon is damaged. She had a really bad campaign,” said Michael Keating, professor of politics at the University of Aberdeen. “She looked tired. The shine is going off her.”
This is the best bit
James Kelly, a political blogger and SNP member, says it would be a “historic error” for Ms Sturgeon to reverse policy on a referendum that she announced just three months ago.
“I think its going to make her look ineffectual,” Mr Kelly said. “It’s very difficult to back down on that without alienating her supporters.”
“If the SNP appease the sworn opponents of independence and jettison an independence referendum, then I am going to walk away from the SNP,” wrote one commentator on Mr Kelly’s blog.
Yes, James, you tell her. Stick to her guns. Onwards, to another victory like this one...
https://www.ft.com/content/44ff836c-4ea3-11e7-bfb8-997009366969
I don't see a way out for the Tories, though. Letting Jezza form a weak minority government would be great for him. Three months of goodies, and then he's forced to call a GE. Even I could navigate my way through that.
Stumbling on with the Grey Queen is no better for the Tories. Her ratings won't improve with another U-turn on her manifesto .
And even changing their leader would be fraught with difficulty vote-wise. Whoever it is wouldn't have time to bed in before the inevitable GE. Plus momentum (not the group) is all one-way. The sweeties have been offered.
@nickeardleybbc: Supporters say Mr Blackford popular in party and would help reconnect with rural voters
@nickeardleybbc: Other names being mentioned include Joanna Cherry, Stephen Gethins and Tommy Sheppard
Oh, please, please, please let it be Cherry
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
A commitment to actually deal with social care and the NHS is needed, even it it means putting put both income tax (the lib dems 1p on the basis rate didn't scare the horses) and actually needing a death tax (not a dementia tax).
Why not have a death tax of say 5% over 100k? (as well as inheritance tax). That doesn't seem onerous particaully it's clear, and measureable.
Indeed a Survation - ergo accurate - poll over the weekend puts them well ahead.
The Tories blew it.
A decent guy, but only marginally competent.
@IanDunt: First secretary of state a very strange, mercurial position, not always in use. But could potentially suggest a softening of Brexit position
Er... Why?
Owning a house worth about £200k means I'd be able to spend £100k on living it up in my dotage - I'm nearly there already. Although I'm not sure I'm up to the wine, women and song.
Stick up some taxes, go for a quick easy soft Brexit (if possible). Do anything to de-toxify before they get voted out.
#Chumocracy
Edit - I quite like Green.
@CharlieBeckett: This isn't a leak, it's a press release twitter.com/danielhewittit…
Was it Dave or was it George ?
Whoever it was it was bollox.
I will say, as I said in 2010, that Cameron did help the Conservatives in Oxford W.
Taxes have to start moving from income to wealth, its going to be the only way forward. Otherwise working people are going to have to pay more and more for elderly services as demographics change.
And can a position be mercurial ?
Also, very strange that the tories not play that clip day in day out during the campaign to stoke up divisions in the labour party? They allowed Labour to run a united campaign.
When you've pissed off a large portion of your party, promoting old friends has its attractions.
http://typefoundry.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/number-ten.html
"The number on the door comprised the figures one and zero from the standard ‘Trajan’ alphabet approved for use by the Ministry of Works, in which the zero was simply the capital letter O."
So using a capital 'O' instead of zero might be correct.
Tories need fresh blood, preferably from its more liberal wing.
Wouldn't you want someone who is popular with the grass-roots and a good media performer?
Strange.
'Tory candidate apologies after Bloody Sunday post on Facebook
A TORY council candidate who asked people to ‘like’ a picture on Facebook of the Parachute Regiment on Bloody Sunday has apologised for “misjudgements” and causing offence.
Neill Graham, who is standing in the Paisley Northeast and Ralston ward in Renfrewshire, shared the image from the “Proud to be a Protestant banter group”, the Herald revealed.'
http://tinyurl.com/y793pfme
Mr. Tonda, aye, similar comments were made by many people during the campaign. Sadly, the sage advice was ignored.
The biggest promoter of inequality possible is poor Education and in most of those big Labour voting cities 50% plus fail at 16. At least Grammar schools would give a few more of humble background a chance to get to the top end, rather than the current situation where Private Education is so superior, followed by state schools in prosperous areas.
Please please bring back Michael Gove
The PM is also pro EU if you recall.
But her desperation to cling on, and her desire to keep friendly faces close are not odd. They are quite understandable - and also futile and damaging to her party, not to mention to the chances of managing some sort of orderly Brexit.
And the people who nominated Corbyn to show off how "fair" they were, when really they did it because they thought he was hopeless and had no chance, were VIRTUE SIGNALLING
@RidgeOnSunday: Yvette Cooper says Tory coalition with the DUP could put Northern Ireland peace process in jeopardy #Ridge pic.twitter.com/JnvU5h3u00
@CarolineFlintMP: No it doesn't. Gordon Brown sought deals with DUP. There's lots of other reasons this deal won't work for May. twitter.com/ridgeonsunday/…
This doesn't need grammar schools. It can be done in comprehensives (which still set).
10 Jun 17
Con 39
Lab 45
Lib Dem 7
UKIP 3
Green 1
Lab +6
Source; Britain Elects
I can't vote for him.
After what's been an awful couple of months in British motorsport, BTCC driver Luke Davenport is in an induced coma after a crash during qualifying yesterday.
http://www.skysports.com/motorsport/news/15749/10911932/luke-davenport-in-induced-coma-after-british-touring-car-crash
Two other drivers injured.
I don't approve of the DUP deal. I'd prefer a Con-Lib Dem deal. Unfortunately, Farron has decided the purpose of being elected is to oppose the government rather than to try and govern the country, and he's ruled out such a deal.
All the people who used to slag me off for saying they would be nothing without Farage seem reluctant to peddle the myth that he was a drag on their vote now
Mr. Evershed, it's a febrile atmosphere. Polls will likely be volatile for a time. Assuming we don't have another snap election, I'd ignore polls for a couple of weeks, then see how they settle.