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Finnish PM saying Brexit negotiations need to slow down, apparently.
First Head of State to say so.0 -
DUP are not Tories, as George Osborne pointed out on ITV last night.0
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Not really. Parliament is sovereign so they can do as they wish.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, if we're in the customs union/single market, is there a point to leaving?
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Yes. Absolutely there is. Brexit will be a 5-10 year journey. Moving out one step at a time makes a lot more sense than trying to take a massive leap into the dark.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, if we're in the customs union/single market, is there a point to leaving?
In personal terms this is close to the most favourable result I could hope for, Theresa May is probably done for, the DUP will force soft Brexit of some kind, we'll get a new leader, Corbyn stays at Labour despite being a serial bungler who had a decent campaign vs our worst ever leader since the war.
There are a lot of positives for the liberal wing of the Tory party to take from last night, but the next leader has a huge task on his or her hands and they will need the support of all the party. I think high profile tombstoners losing last night might help too.0 -
Elections are spaced to closely together to allow time to get a review done!dixiedean said:
Yes. Suggest they'll be utterly re-visited. Back to 650 on the old rules on a new register.MikeL said:
Forget the boundary changes.alex. said:
Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.
They are bad for the DUP - no chance they'll pass.0 -
Morning all. After a little sleep, and a weep as we took Stockton South, I've awoken grey skies here in Crieff to a swim, a 4,000 calorie Scottish breakfast, and a sense that the world has shifted again.
1. Hard brexit is dead. That the Tory rump government doesn't have the authority to negotiate a glass of water is a problem, doubled by the DUP insisting that the CTA and Irish Border issues are front and centre. And an open intra-Irish border means at the very least the customs union, if not the single market. So the no deal is a good deal nightmare is over
2. The Overton window is significantly further left than it has been and will continue to move there. The Tories will have to broaden their appeal away from the selfish and sociopathic, and that will mean an end to their inhuman (and un-Conservative) degrading treatment of the poor and disabled.
3. Bopolar Politics is back. Its a Labour government or a Tory government. Why bother with the fringe parties like Plaid or the LibDems.
4. The Union is safe. Not just the death of IndyRef2, the death of any breakup thanks to hard brexit. Now that its safe again can we reexamine how it works so that we don't almost lose it? SOme kind of federal or confederal structure surely
5. Loony Corbynism is here to stay. The same policy platform as the Conservative German government isn't loony anyway, and people would rather vote for hope than despair and fear
6. May isn't here to stay. Boris or Davis, take your pick. My money would be on Boris. If I bet on politics. Which I don't...0 -
He thinks so, but UKIP polled only 70k above the Greens, don't have an MP, and the Lib Dems have recovered slightly.matt said:Does the result mean we are forced to see and hear more of the odious Farage again?
Should mean many fewer invites to Question Time for UKIP, and instead Jo Swinson, Ed Davey, etc, will be invited instead.0 -
Indeed. The DUP has an MP who has said gay people are 'poofs' and 'perverts'DecrepitJohnL said:DUP are not Tories, as George Osborne pointed out on ITV last night.
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Laura K - Con MPs won't want another GE.
Self interest always comes first!!!
Thus stick with May - ay least for now Can always change leader in a few months or whenever.0 -
Can't sleep. Feels so much worse personally than 1997 or 2001 because I was much more personally invested. NI electorate has effectively decided that to snarl at each other beats all that namby pamby discussion stuff. And Theresa May is a dead duck. She needs to announce her intention to step down after a new leader can be appointed.0
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hey the LDs have a leader like thatTheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed. The DUP has an MP who has said gay people are 'poofs' and 'perverts'DecrepitJohnL said:DUP are not Tories, as George Osborne pointed out on ITV last night.
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Yes -- ironically, the media makes the same mistake as the SNP -- interpreting every election as a referendum on independence.Alistair said:
I think we'll find a surprisingly large number of Yessers voted Labour.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Tories need to intervene here. They cannot let May stay on.0
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Just on my own results: lots of very close stuff.
If Westmorland and Richmond Park had had opposite results, I'd've made about three times as much profit. If the Lib Dems had won one fewer seat, I'd be flat rather than very slightly green.
Given all my Conservative bets (excepting an in-play panicky lay of a Con majority at 1.66) on seats numbers etc turned out bad, glad to get away with being green at all.
F1: practice today starts at 3pm and 7pm.0 -
This all tracks back to the financial crisis. The bankers didn't pay, the wealthy didn't pay, the rest were left with 8 years of stagnant or falling income. Wealth passed from public to private hands. It has created an anger and resentment which gave us Brexit and now has comprehensively rejected austerity. Until someone gets it, and talks that language with proper proposals for redistribution and wealth tax we will spiral madly.
If it has to be hard left investment via borrowing and public programmes of work them so be it. National pride in public works and infrastructure. Soak the rich. Do it. Now.0 -
I doubt you'll get many posters or readers disagreeing with you.old_labour said:
He is a true gentleman, the wittiest poster on here.JosiasJessop said:
Humble pie, publicly and gracefully consumed, can be part of the nicest meal. Consuming it can be the mark of a true gentleman.JackW said:Good Morning Comrade PBers ....
Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.
I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.0 -
Tbh, Mays credibility totally shot.MikeL said:Laura K - Con MPs won't want another GE.
Self interest always comes first!!!
Thus stick with May - ay least for now Can always change leader in a few months or whenever.0 -
Yes, there's definitely an after-effect of the crash here, as there originally was with Brexit, last year.dyedwoolie said:This all tracks back to the financial crisis. The bankers didn't pay, the wealthy didn't pay, the rest were left with 8 years of stagnant or falling income. Wealth passed from public to private hands. It has created an anger and resentment which gave us Brexit and now has comprehensively rejected austerity. Until someone gets it, and talks that language with proper proposals for redistribution and wealth tax we will spiral madly.
If it has to be hard left investment via borrowing and public programmes of work them so be it. National pride in public works and infrastructure. Soak the rich. Do it. Now.
The new mood is being aimed, scattershot, in different directions - and now it's being aimed behind remain , packed in with the Left vote.0 -
NI special case. Split the vote on that from the mainland and devolve it to StormontMikeL said:
Boundary Commissions must report in Sept 2018.bardigiani said:Is there an implementation date for the new constituency boundaries?
Reports must then be laid before Parliament - and they are certain to be voted against as DUP will say no.0 -
Yes, you're right.OblitusSumMe said:
If the Tory PM can come up with something that the Lib Dems, and the majority of Labour MPs, can support, and also provides a face-saving way for the SNP to drop their demand for indyref2, then they would have enough support to be able to ignore the Tory right-wing. At least temporarily.El_Capitano said:
They'll have to forge a consensus with their own party first. How can May get a majority for a supposed Brexit deal when she needs to keep Hollobone and Cash, and Soubry and Clarke, all on side?OblitusSumMe said:Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?
Maybe the Lib Dems will get their second referendum after all.
And that something is EEA membership. Surely has to be back on the table after this.0 -
Mr. Max, I'm not talking about temporarily staying in the single market/customs union as part of a phase withdrawal, I'm talking about leaving the EU and permanently being in the single market/customs union.
I have no problem with a long, phased withdrawal.0 -
Agree with these points. Positive for me is that indyref2 now dead as an issue, and that the union perseveres.RochdalePioneers said:Morning all. After a little sleep, and a weep as we took Stockton South, I've awoken grey skies here in Crieff to a swim, a 4,000 calorie Scottish breakfast, and a sense that the world has shifted again.
1. Hard brexit is dead. That the Tory rump government doesn't have the authority to negotiate a glass of water is a problem, doubled by the DUP insisting that the CTA and Irish Border issues are front and centre. And an open intra-Irish border means at the very least the customs union, if not the single market. So the no deal is a good deal nightmare is over
2. The Overton window is significantly further left than it has been and will continue to move there. The Tories will have to broaden their appeal away from the selfish and sociopathic, and that will mean an end to their inhuman (and un-Conservative) degrading treatment of the poor and disabled.
3. Bopolar Politics is back. Its a Labour government or a Tory government. Why bother with the fringe parties like Plaid or the LibDems.
4. The Union is safe. Not just the death of IndyRef2, the death of any breakup thanks to hard brexit. Now that its safe again can we reexamine how it works so that we don't almost lose it? SOme kind of federal or confederal structure surely
5. Loony Corbynism is here to stay. The same policy platform as the Conservative German government isn't loony anyway, and people would rather vote for hope than despair and fear
6. May isn't here to stay. Boris or Davis, take your pick. My money would be on Boris. If I bet on politics. Which I don't...0 -
There's a real danger Labour's new voters don't realise they haven't actually won. The other danger is May not realising she's got no way back. She will go down in history as the PM who ended her own career totally unnecessarily and so suddenly. If history even remembers her
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Indeed.dyedwoolie said:This all tracks back to the financial crisis. The bankers didn't pay, the wealthy didn't pay, the rest were left with 8 years of stagnant or falling income. Wealth passed from public to private hands. It has created an anger and resentment which gave us Brexit and now has comprehensively rejected austerity. Until someone gets it, and talks that language with proper proposals for redistribution and wealth tax we will spiral madly.
If it has to be hard left investment via borrowing and public programmes of work them so be it. National pride in public works and infrastructure. Soak the rich. Do it. Now.
And its still continuing - see BHS.0 -
Hopefully after this result the Tories will stop ignoring the 48% who voted Remain and the entire population who are aged under 350
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That would be a first.JosiasJessop said:
I doubt you'll get many posters or readers disagreeing with you.old_labour said:
He is a true gentleman, the wittiest poster on here.JosiasJessop said:
Humble pie, publicly and gracefully consumed, can be part of the nicest meal. Consuming it can be the mark of a true gentleman.JackW said:Good Morning Comrade PBers ....
Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.
I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.
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We leave the Fisheries and Agricultural Policies, but we no longer get a vote on the single market rules. There are advantages to the Norway option, as well as disadvantages.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, if we're in the customs union/single market, is there a point to leaving?
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I'd imagine we shall have a Conservative minority government with no supply and confidence agreement with the DUP, just an informal agreement about what is left out of the Queen's speech and maybe a committee on the border.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed. The DUP has an MP who has said gay people are 'poofs' and 'perverts'DecrepitJohnL said:DUP are not Tories, as George Osborne pointed out on ITV last night.
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McDonnell on BBC now.0
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Razedabode said:
Tbh, Mays credibility totally shot.MikeL said:Laura K - Con MPs won't want another GE.
Self interest always comes first!!!
Thus stick with May - ay least for now Can always change leader in a few months or whenever.
Agreed. She called an election to get a larger majority to deal with Brexit, and didn't get it.
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Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.
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Stock market soaring! Must be the possibility of a different approach to this Brexit loonacy.0
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Very interesting.Roger said:Stock market soaring! Must be the possibility of a different approach to this Brexit loonacy.
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So no "honest broker" in Northern Ireland any more?Charles said:
NI special case. Split the vote on that from the mainland and devolve it to StormontMikeL said:
Boundary Commissions must report in Sept 2018.bardigiani said:Is there an implementation date for the new constituency boundaries?
Reports must then be laid before Parliament - and they are certain to be voted against as DUP will say no.0 -
Hi Mark. Very decent showing for the yellow peril on a slight fall in the share of the vote. Unlucky in 4 tight recounts too !! .... and some other decent second places too.MarkSenior said:The Moody Blues to Mrs W and W
We've already said "Goodbye"
Since you gotta go , oh you'd better go
Go now , go now go now
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Nobody in the establishment and nobody of wealth paid for it. Now they must. Take their wealth.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, there's definitely an after-effect of the crash here, as there originally was with Brexit, last year.dyedwoolie said:This all tracks back to the financial crisis. The bankers didn't pay, the wealthy didn't pay, the rest were left with 8 years of stagnant or falling income. Wealth passed from public to private hands. It has created an anger and resentment which gave us Brexit and now has comprehensively rejected austerity. Until someone gets it, and talks that language with proper proposals for redistribution and wealth tax we will spiral madly.
If it has to be hard left investment via borrowing and public programmes of work them so be it. National pride in public works and infrastructure. Soak the rich. Do it. Now.
The new mood is being aimed, scattershot, in different directions - and now it's being aimed behind remain , packed in with the Left vote.0 -
Mr. Fletcher, May is Jovian.
Got the leadership after a previous successful emperor was unexpectedly felled, then turned out to be disastrous.
Conservatives need a Valentinian the Great [sidenote: when petitioners annoyed him he fed them to his bears, Goldflake and Innocent]. He was arguably the last strong Western emperor.0 -
She has been a total disaster. For the next 40 years she will be remembered. After that she'll just be a short footnote in the post EU history of the UK...Lucian_Fletcher said:There's a real danger Labour's new voters don't realise they haven't actually won. The other danger is May not realising she's got no way back. She will go down in history as the PM who ended her own career totally unnecessarily and so suddenly. If history even remembers her
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Theresa May said nothing about Brexit during the campaign. It still seems more likely the catalyst was the expenses scandal. I don't suppose we'll ever really know.MarkHopkins said:Razedabode said:
Tbh, Mays credibility totally shot.MikeL said:Laura K - Con MPs won't want another GE.
Self interest always comes first!!!
Thus stick with May - ay least for now Can always change leader in a few months or whenever.
Agreed. She called an election to get a larger majority to deal with Brexit, and didn't get it.0 -
It's because the £ is down. The market is artificially high because sterling is so weak generally.Roger said:Stock market soaring! Must be the possibility of a different approach to this Brexit loonacy.
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dyedwoolie said:
Nobody in the establishment and nobody of wealth paid for it. Now they must. Take their wealth.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, there's definitely an after-effect of the crash here, as there originally was with Brexit, last year.dyedwoolie said:This all tracks back to the financial crisis. The bankers didn't pay, the wealthy didn't pay, the rest were left with 8 years of stagnant or falling income. Wealth passed from public to private hands. It has created an anger and resentment which gave us Brexit and now has comprehensively rejected austerity. Until someone gets it, and talks that language with proper proposals for redistribution and wealth tax we will spiral madly.
If it has to be hard left investment via borrowing and public programmes of work them so be it. National pride in public works and infrastructure. Soak the rich. Do it. Now.
The new mood is being aimed, scattershot, in different directions - and now it's being aimed behind remain , packed in with the Left vote.
The top 10% have paid more tax under the Conservatives.
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Just passed Owen Jones tweeting on his bike0
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I doubt that we'd stay in permanently. Again, these options are only popping up now because Theresa May was stupid enough to think that pitching hard Brexit for the 30% of people who were up for it plus 15-17% of the Tories would back her regardless was a good idea. We needed and still need Brexit for the 60%.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, I'm not talking about temporarily staying in the single market/customs union as part of a phase withdrawal, I'm talking about leaving the EU and permanently being in the single market/customs union.
I have no problem with a long, phased withdrawal.0 -
Not enoughMarkHopkins said:dyedwoolie said:
Nobody in the establishment and nobody of wealth paid for it. Now they must. Take their wealth.WhisperingOracle said:
Yes, there's definitely an after-effect of the crash here, as there originally was with Brexit, last year.dyedwoolie said:This all tracks back to the financial crisis. The bankers didn't pay, the wealthy didn't pay, the rest were left with 8 years of stagnant or falling income. Wealth passed from public to private hands. It has created an anger and resentment which gave us Brexit and now has comprehensively rejected austerity. Until someone gets it, and talks that language with proper proposals for redistribution and wealth tax we will spiral madly.
If it has to be hard left investment via borrowing and public programmes of work them so be it. National pride in public works and infrastructure. Soak the rich. Do it. Now.
The new mood is being aimed, scattershot, in different directions - and now it's being aimed behind remain , packed in with the Left vote.
The top 10% have paid more tax under the Conservatives.0 -
LOL it's hilarious that everytime the public was exposed to her more her ratings crashed. All the marginal constituencies she visited rejected her party LMAOGideonWise said:Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.
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Not sure if that would need Primary legislation.Charles said:
NI special case. Split the vote on that from the mainland and devolve it to StormontMikeL said:
Boundary Commissions must report in Sept 2018.bardigiani said:Is there an implementation date for the new constituency boundaries?
Reports must then be laid before Parliament - and they are certain to be voted against as DUP will say no.
Procedure for laying before Parliament is already laid down in law.
And I THINK it's one vote on all four BC reports at once.0 -
I won't be surprised to see farron step down although it will be his decision rather than pressure, why?
There are several options to take over who he knows are better, he's realized that his personal belief real or perceived are an issu, his heart is in westmorland and I think he knows it's what's best for the party. He might not beat may to be first but you saw it here first.0 -
She still got 44% of the vote, election stats nerds will record that as the best since Blair even though Corbyn made the biggest gainseek said:
She has been a total disaster. For the next 40 years she will be remembered. After that she'll just be a short footnote in the post EU history of the UK...Lucian_Fletcher said:There's a real danger Labour's new voters don't realise they haven't actually won. The other danger is May not realising she's got no way back. She will go down in history as the PM who ended her own career totally unnecessarily and so suddenly. If history even remembers her
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Will Osborne en Marche?GideonWise said:Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.0 -
The young have finally learned that voting counts.
They may also be about to learn that taking bribes has a cost. And not only to the top five percent as they have been led to believe.
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When the dust settles May will be remembered as the PM who shot herself so spectacularly in both feet. Looking forward to the Sunday papers and the behind the scenes tales.0
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Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister0 -
Into Maidenhead? Let's hope he can be convinced.Jonathan said:
Will Osborne en Marche?GideonWise said:Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.0 -
I'm absolutely furious this morning lol.
I'm for taking down the establishment and watching it burn. Arse holes0 -
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Hi Mark. Very decent showing for the yellow peril on a slight fall in the share of the vote. Unlucky in 4 tight recounts too !! .... and some other decent second places too.MarkSenior said:The Moody Blues to Mrs W and W
We've already said "Goodbye"
Since you gotta go , oh you'd better go
Go now , go now go now
Ha Ha Ha0 -
Corbyn amd McDonnell indulging in some high-level brinksmanship!0
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Why? If they had ignored the 52% they wouldn't be anywhere near the voteshare they have.not_on_fire said:Hopefully after this result the Tories will stop ignoring the 48% who voted Remain and the entire population who are aged under 35
Under 35s though (and everybody else being ****ed over by the present system), totally. However the reality is I suspect we will see a Corbyn government before they finally grasp that.0 -
Cheers for the big hint about Labour in East Lothian! 365 only let me get £25 on Ynys Mon.Pulpstar said:Worst bets: All the Tory overs & the ~ £700 I had on Vale of Clwyd and Gower to win ~ £150
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England Vote:
CON 45.5
LAB 42.0
LD 7.7
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Just making hay whilst the sun shines for them.Dadge said:Corbyn amd McDonnell indulging in some high-level brinksmanship!
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Can't believe I'm sitting here agreeing with all of what McDonnell is saying right now (on the Beeb).0
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A new dawn has broken, has it not?
It looks like May has handcuffed herself to a radiator inside No. 10. Time to go Tezzie.0 -
Mr. Jonathan, an Osborne-Blair, non-crazy PLP en Marche type party could do very well.
But, Corbyn had gains. The PLP really need to be pushed to find any kind of spine. They won't leave now.0 -
When May had the sky high ratings it was because people liked the image they had of her.The_Apocalypse said:
LOL it's hilarious that everytime the public was exposed to her more her ratings crashed. All the marginal constituencies she visited rejected her party LMAOGideonWise said:Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.
But that image was different to the reality.
When she got closer inspection the reality was revealed.
And the reality wasn't as popular.0 -
Am I missing something or does Jeremy Corbyn think he has won? May not winning is not the same as Corbyn having won. He is talking about forming a government? How is that even mathematically possible?!0
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McDonnell being very cheeky here.
He knows that if Corbyn can become PM with a Minority Govt they'll then be placed to go for another GE and get a majority.
That's why Con has to stop them - which is why May stays as PM for now.
Open question as to whether Con change leader in due course - but a Con PM has to stay in Downing Street.0 -
The fundamental question for the Conservative Party is whether they still want the new boundaries. Forget the high-minded fictions about the need to save 50 MPs' salaries, the motivating factor was that the existing system was seen to be biased against the Tories but we've now found that is not true since the Conservative vote distribution has become more efficient and the party is again competitive in Wales and Scotland.Charles said:
NI special case. Split the vote on that from the mainland and devolve it to StormontMikeL said:
Boundary Commissions must report in Sept 2018.bardigiani said:Is there an implementation date for the new constituency boundaries?
Reports must then be laid before Parliament - and they are certain to be voted against as DUP will say no.0 -
I feel fairly vindicated by the result, even if I fear for the future. Most posters were downplaying Farron, whilst I said he might start their recovery. 'Brexit means brexit' has proved unpopular, and Corbyn has shown his sheer sitckability.
In fact, one lesson from this is that Corbyn's an impressive political operator.0 -
Labour winning the 'broadcast war' this morning in the same way they dominated the campaign.
Where the hell are the Tory voices to push their narrative?!0 -
Will Kensington go on with recounts after recounts until next GE?
Is Tower Hamlets feeling jealous because we aren't waiting for them this time?0 -
It's not, but he's just making trouble for the tories, and making themas uncomfortable as possible.AlistairM said:Am I missing something or does Jeremy Corbyn think he has won? May not winning is not the same as Corbyn having won. He is talking about forming a government? How is that even mathematically possible?!
I really think now, we need to put a cooler on Brexit.0 -
What narrative?AllyPally_Rob said:Labour winning the 'broadcast war' this morning in the same way they dominated the campaign.
Where the hell are the Tory voices to push their narrative?!0 -
They are asking how the Tories can do a deal with a Party which believes the world is less than 10,000 years old? The DUP aren't Orthodox Jews are they?0
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I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.0 -
Last plug for the 2017 GE cryptic crossword https://dadge.wordpress.com/2017/06/08/general-election-cryptic-crossword/ Answers later.0
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The absolute priority now is ensuring the softest possible Brexit - one that does not imperil the country's economy or remove long-held rights enjoyed by UK citizens. The Tories must start to put the country first. If they do that, it will also help them. Please, no more kow-towing to the right wing press. Last night showed that its power is very strictly limited. The Daily Mail and the Sun can no longer be allowed to write the political agenda. Their job is to report it.TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
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McDonnell's having a laugh. I'm impressed that he managed to keep a straight face during that interview.0
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If you think Osborne is the answer to stopping Corbyn you are asking the wrong question, Boris and Davidson are who the party needs, the electorate voted as much against continued austerity as May's social care plansTheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
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And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?0 -
I didn't say it was a *good* planold_labour said:
So no "honest broker" in Northern Ireland any more?Charles said:
NI special case. Split the vote on that from the mainland and devolve it to StormontMikeL said:
Boundary Commissions must report in Sept 2018.bardigiani said:Is there an implementation date for the new constituency boundaries?
Reports must then be laid before Parliament - and they are certain to be voted against as DUP will say no.
(But it is outrageous we are still voting based on 2001 boundaries. There needs to be a change to stop self interested politicians voting updates down)0 -
The public hate him. He could maybe do a job behind the scenes thoughanother_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?0 -
God no, not Boris.HYUFD said:
If you think Osborne is the answer to stopping Corbyn you are asking the wrong question, Boris and Davidson are who the party needs, the electorate voted as much against continued austerity as May's social care plansTheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
People don't want the b-team's underperforming jester.0 -
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If the DUP won't countenance special status for Northern Ireland in the EU, and they won't countenance a hard border with Ireland, then the cost of a deal will have to be that we forget any idea of leaving the single market and customs union.0
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Not quite, the Tories won Middlesbrough and Mansfield and every Scottish seat May visitedThe_Apocalypse said:
LOL it's hilarious that everytime the public was exposed to her more her ratings crashed. All the marginal constituencies she visited rejected her party LMAOGideonWise said:Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.0 -
May and her advisors are in their bunker wondering at what level to set the energy price cap at.AllyPally_Rob said:Labour winning the 'broadcast war' this morning in the same way they dominated the campaign.
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Seemed a harmless little fuckAlastairMeeks said:I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
But we unleashed a lion
Gnashed his teeth
And bit the recessed lady's breast
How could I forget
He hit me with a surprise left
My jaw left hurting
Dropped wide open
Just like the day
Like the day I heard
Daddy didn't give affection
And the boy was something mommy wouldn't wear
King Jeremy the wicked
Ruled his world
Jeremy spoke in class today
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For the first time in a GE, I was a NOTA, although I didn't expect it to come to pass. Juncker will be pleased and the EU will ensure it is either a hard Brexit, or a Brexit in name only.
Had Brexit been the largest factor, the LDs would have done much better. A combination of The Grey Mist's incompetence combined with that 'manifesto', Jezza being on his best behaviour, and a lovely bribe to the young (nearly half go to university) has changed things dramatically.
The Tories need a new face, preferably a young one, to contrast with Jezza. I don't know the Tory party well enough to guess, but I think Mr Eagles' mate has burned his bridges .
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What job though ?Brom said:
The public hate him. He could maybe do a job behind the scenes thoughanother_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
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Given who they are I suppose they aren't kidding. But the reality of such a govt is pretty frightening. The obvious technique to pressurise opponents to let their programme through would be street protests. That couldn't end well.chloe said:
They are ready to serve with 261 seatsDadge said:Corbyn amd McDonnell indulging in some high-level brinksmanship!
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Currently on 42.4%HYUFD said:
She still got 44% of the vote, election stats nerds will record that as the best since Blair even though Corbyn made the biggest gainseek said:
She has been a total disaster. For the next 40 years she will be remembered. After that she'll just be a short footnote in the post EU history of the UK...Lucian_Fletcher said:There's a real danger Labour's new voters don't realise they haven't actually won. The other danger is May not realising she's got no way back. She will go down in history as the PM who ended her own career totally unnecessarily and so suddenly. If history even remembers her
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The demand from the public is pretty clear that they now want more investment in public services. If the tories don't do that, and they can, then labour will.
Better for the tories to do responsibly than labour to do it and wreck the economy.
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Shows how poor a politician Osborne is. If he were still MP for Tatton, he would now be sporting a shark's grin a mile wide....TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Bu he left Westminster to do a paper round instead.0 -
May visited Edinburgh North and Leith and Edinburgh South West.HYUFD said:
Not quite, the Tories won Middlesbrough and Mansfield and every Scottish seat May visitedThe_Apocalypse said:
LOL it's hilarious that everytime the public was exposed to her more her ratings crashed. All the marginal constituencies she visited rejected her party LMAOGideonWise said:Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.0 -
Dimbleby said that Boris, Hammond and Davis have all declined BBC requests. The blunt truth is there are a lot of senior Conservatives with their eye on an imminent leadership election.AllyPally_Rob said:Labour winning the 'broadcast war' this morning in the same way they dominated the campaign.
Where the hell are the Tory voices to push their narrative?!0
