What does the Tory performance in actual votes look like, compared to previous elections? Must be pretty high? If so, Tory problem wasn't persuading people to vote Tory, it was persuading non-voters not to vote Labour.
Lib Dems significantly out performing expectations. At least 12 seats and could have been 15 with a little more luck in Richmond, Ceredigion and Fife NE
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
Zak - what a farce - but every seat is vitally important so it's a serious farce.
The Conservatives would be much better off without Zac.
Utter nonsense. A great constituency MP, pro-brexit, green on the inside blue on the outside, very socially liberal. He's basically a eurosceptic Cameroon.
He called a totally unnecessary by-election. A but like Davis.
I don't see the resentment towards Zac. He said that if Heathrow went ahead, he'd resign - presumably this was a selling point in his original campaign. On that basis, he couldn't very well weasel out of it. Well, he could, but the fact that he didn't is to his credit, surely?
The Democratic Unionists would have to actively vote against the Tories in the Commons in order to defeat them. If they abstain the Tories have a majority, assuming the 7 Sinn Fein MPs don't take their seats.
Lib Dems significantly out performing expectations. At least 12 seats and could have been 15 with a little more luck in Richmond, Ceredigion and Fife NE
What does the Tory performance in actual votes look like, compared to previous elections? Must be pretty high? If so, Tory problem wasn't persuading people to vote Tory, it was persuading non-voters not to vote Labour.
Just checked: Tory vote in 2017 in 2million up on that in 2015.
What does the Tory performance in actual votes look like, compared to previous elections? Must be pretty high? If so, Tory problem wasn't persuading people to vote Tory, it was persuading non-voters not to vote Labour.
The Democratic Unionists would have to actively vote against the Tories in the Commons in order to defeat them. If they abstain the Tories have a majority, assuming the 7 Sinn Fein MPs don't take their seats.
Last 5 seats absolutely critical - they really must get 3 of them for an effective majority of 11.
Otherwise they'll be at massive risk of losing by-elections.
Lib Dems significantly out performing expectations. At least 12 seats and could have been 15 with a little more luck in Richmond, Ceredigion and Fife NE
What does the Tory performance in actual votes look like, compared to previous elections? Must be pretty high? If so, Tory problem wasn't persuading people to vote Tory, it was persuading non-voters not to vote Labour.
This is probably going to be the third highest Tory vote ever, after 1992 and 1987.
McDonnell calls for the LibDems and Greens to back Labour so they can form a minority government. Maths is clearly not his strong point. Good job no-one thinks he should be CoE...
I think the Tories have missed an overall majority by a tiny number of votes in about 7 seats. Of course you can look at it the other way and focus on the seats they just managed to hold like Richmond Park.
I've decide the British electorate are like Andy from Little Britain's Lou and Andy.
"Want that one"
"Are you sure?"
"Yeah..... [pause] Don't like it"
What a kerfuffle......
No. You just don't like the British electorate's decision. The Conservatives under May have totally fucked up.
Well of course I don't like their decision! But you can't deny the voters are somewhat fickle. Vote for Cameron. Then bugger up Cameron with Brexit. Then bugger up May when she implements Brexit.
Lib Dems significantly out performing expectations. At least 12 seats and could have been 15 with a little more luck in Richmond, Ceredigion and Fife NE
I think the Tories have missed an overall majority by a tiny number of votes in about 7 seats. Of course you can look at it the other way and focus on the seats they just managed to hold like Richmond Park.
Look at where I was brought up in North Staffs and South Cheshire - Crewe 48, Newcastle under Lyme 30. Incredible!
May not resigning but working in a very different way to craft a consensus for a soft Brexit would be the optimum for the country... also bring back the cross party approach on social care and drop the grammar school crap and it might just work...
What does the Tory performance in actual votes look like, compared to previous elections? Must be pretty high? If so, Tory problem wasn't persuading people to vote Tory, it was persuading non-voters not to vote Labour.
This is probably going to be the third highest Tory vote ever, after 1992 and 1987.
Yes - with a handful of seats left to go, Conservative vote total now higher than Labour's in 1997. FPTP is a strange beast.
Is the number of results with v small majorities unusual? Seems to be a lot.
Licking my wounds betting-wise. Amongst the killers for me that last PC win. Plus the number of LDs.
Anyway congrats to Mike Smithson on that Con Seats sell (393 was it), to those responsible for the exit poll and to TSE for running the site overnight.
Why would it be in the interests of the Tory Party for May to resign now. If she can get to 319 then the Conservatives are safe for the immediate future. She can go on for a couple of years and then the Conservative party can have a proper leadership campaign to replace her if things don't improve. Replacing the leader from among the MPs without a proper contest would be a disaster, and could lead to an election within 6 months (before the new boundaries have come in).
May ought to go she has lost all credibility, hanging on will be disastrous.
So who would take over? It wouldn't be Corbyn. He wouldn't be able to win a vote of confidence in the Commons. It would have to be a Conservative. Unless there is another coronation, that would plunge the country into several months of uncertainty just as Brexit negotiations start.
DUP aren't going to let Corbyn and McDonnell anywhere near the levers of power.
Hardly what the Tories were hoping for though. The DUP will want a soft Brexit in return for their support
The issue of the NI/Republic border is going to be taking up about 90% of the time of the Brexit team. Hardly ideal. And yes, they will be wanting a soft Brexit to implement what is best for NI.
May not resigning but working in a very different way to craft a consensus for a soft Brexit would be the optimum for the country... also bring back the cross party approach on social care and drop the grammar school crap and it might just work...
Hear hear - I voted Leave, UKIP in 2015. This is the right approach. Let Corbyn try to enforce CND and mandatory deselections at conference. The polls will do the rest. Finally and most importantly - cling on for the full 5 year term. Essential for debt reduction, reducing rail subsidies, coal phaseout, etc. etc.
Lib Dems significantly out performing expectations. At least 12 seats and could have been 15 with a little more luck in Richmond, Ceredigion and Fife NE
2nd worst result in their history.
Still outperformed (some) expectations!
Up against hard brexit Tories and Jeremy Corbyn? Remain is dead in the water.
SCON now have more MPs than SLAB and SLD combined for the first time since 1931
It looks like they were able to convince, wrongly, in many cases, that they were the best placed party to displace the SNP. This worked against Labour and Lib Dems in seats they would otherwise have won. The SNP were lucky not to lose more seats.
I've decide the British electorate are like Andy from Little Britain's Lou and Andy.
"Want that one"
"Are you sure?"
"Yeah..... [pause] Don't like it"
What a kerfuffle......
No. You just don't like the British electorate's decision. The Conservatives under May have totally fucked up.
Well of course I don't like their decision! But you can't deny the voters are somewhat fickle. Vote for Cameron. Then bugger up Cameron with Brexit. Then bugger up May when she implements Brexit.
Oh come on. The Europhobes said everything would be better under Brexit; even things that are not in the purview of the EU. That isn't going to be delivered, basically because most of the problems are our responsibility, and the failures are ours.
The europhobes are utterly responsible for this. They had winners on their side, and they replace them with the B-reserve team, who were taken to a draw by Accrington Stanley.
May not resigning but working in a very different way to craft a consensus for a soft Brexit would be the optimum for the country... also bring back the cross party approach on social care and drop the grammar school crap and it might just work...
Hear hear - I voted Leave, UKIP in 2015. This is the right approach. Let Corbyn try to enforce CND and mandatory deselections at conference. The polls will do the rest. Finally and most importantly - cling on for the full 5 year term. Essential for debt reduction, reducing rail subsidies, coal phaseout, etc. etc.
That all sounds very good, but does she have the authority to do it? I am all for this kind of approach, I just worry her party is not behind her.
DUP aren't going to let Corbyn and McDonnell anywhere near the levers of power.
Hardly what the Tories were hoping for though. The DUP will want a soft Brexit in return for their support
The issue of the NI/Republic border is going to be taking up about 90% of the time of the Brexit team. Hardly ideal. And yes, they will be wanting a soft Brexit to implement what is best for NI.
Running through the results. In betting terms, England poor to dire, Scotland super, overall numbers good for Lib Dems/UKIP, bad for the Conservatives.
Glad the Lib Dems got 12 because I backed them to be over 11.5 at 1.83.
Got up at half four or so to see how things were going. Saw the winner's speech of the chap who beat Salmond, so that was something.
Trying to see the positives of such a hopelessly Hung Parliament. Maybe we'll be spared the economic insanity of Corbyn and the authoritarian meddling of May.
Commiserations to Mr. Price, whose efforts were undone by the insanity of Timothy/May.
Edited extra bit: frustrated that the Lib Dems managed to win Westmorland by a tiny margin but lose Richmond Park likewise. The other way around would've been much better.
Think I'm ahead overall. Thanks everyone for the tips, particularly Mr. Putney and Mr. Pulpstar.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
JJ's putting it more strongly than I would, but the arrogant underestimate how much they are resented.
And you guys were worried about abuse from Momentum
May not resigning but working in a very different way to craft a consensus for a soft Brexit would be the optimum for the country... also bring back the cross party approach on social care and drop the grammar school crap and it might just work...
Hear hear - I voted Leave, UKIP in 2015. This is the right approach. Let Corbyn try to enforce CND and mandatory deselections at conference. The polls will do the rest. Finally and most importantly - cling on for the full 5 year term. Essential for debt reduction, reducing rail subsidies, coal phaseout, etc. etc.
That all sounds very good, but does she have the authority to do it? I am all for this kind of approach, I just worry her party is not behind her.
It is a risk. If I was May I'd sack my two special advisors and replace them with an advisory council of tory elders [Ken Clarke, John Redwood, 1922 Chair, Oliver Letwin, ...] A clear admission of campaign failure but a lesson learned.
- ICM are the gold standard - 18-24 year olds don't vote - All UKIP voters are Tories on holiday - Lynton Crosby knows what he's doing - The electorate wants Hard Brexit
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Con 317 + DUP 10 = 327
Opposition 316
Total 343 exc SF
Majority 11
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
643 divided by two and rounded up is 322.
"Want that one"
"Are you sure?"
"Yeah..... [pause] Don't like it"
What a kerfuffle......
Otherwise they'll be at massive risk of losing by-elections.
Thanet South by-election possible for starters.
Five absolutely critical seats to go.
Two Cons on BBC and already they are fighting like cats in a sack.
DUP aren't going to let Corbyn and McDonnell anywhere near the levers of power.
My concern now is what happens with Brexit.
I would imagine Cameron and Osborne have a spring in their step
Con 22,120
LD 21,808
Lab 7,298
Yesterday I spoiled my ballot paper for the first time in my life. To paraphrase the Simpsons: Worst. Campaign. Ever.
Poor Britain. It needs a great leader and we have a choice between May and Corbyn.
It would have a clear majority under the EVFEL mechanism.
She should resign if she has any honour. She lost an election she called. The public don't have confidence in her. End of story.
FPTP is a strange beast.
Licking my wounds betting-wise. Amongst the killers for me that last PC win. Plus the number of LDs.
Anyway congrats to Mike Smithson on that Con Seats sell (393 was it), to those responsible for the exit poll and to TSE for running the site overnight.
Steady ship, then resign as party leader, remain as PM whilst new leader chosen.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Perth & North Perthshire: 21 votes.
Dudley North: 22 votes.
Newcastle-under-Lyme: 30 votes.
Crewe & Nantwich: 48 votes.
Finally and most importantly - cling on for the full 5 year term. Essential for debt reduction, reducing rail subsidies, coal phaseout, etc. etc.
The europhobes are utterly responsible for this. They had winners on their side, and they replace them with the B-reserve team, who were taken to a draw by Accrington Stanley.
If confirmed, final count is 318 seats for the Tories.
God help those of us trapped in the UK.
Running through the results. In betting terms, England poor to dire, Scotland super, overall numbers good for Lib Dems/UKIP, bad for the Conservatives.
Glad the Lib Dems got 12 because I backed them to be over 11.5 at 1.83.
Got up at half four or so to see how things were going. Saw the winner's speech of the chap who beat Salmond, so that was something.
Trying to see the positives of such a hopelessly Hung Parliament. Maybe we'll be spared the economic insanity of Corbyn and the authoritarian meddling of May.
Commiserations to Mr. Price, whose efforts were undone by the insanity of Timothy/May.
Edited extra bit: frustrated that the Lib Dems managed to win Westmorland by a tiny margin but lose Richmond Park likewise. The other way around would've been much better.
Think I'm ahead overall. Thanks everyone for the tips, particularly Mr. Putney and Mr. Pulpstar.
Con now on 315.
A clear admission of campaign failure but a lesson learned.
SNP 35
Con 13
Lab 7
LD 4
Scottish Tories 13, LibDems 4.
- ICM are the gold standard
- 18-24 year olds don't vote
- All UKIP voters are Tories on holiday
- Lynton Crosby knows what he's doing
- The electorate wants Hard Brexit