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Based on 30 minutes at polling station in marginal Bedford more young people than normal coming out to vote
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First like the DUP0
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Good for them. I don't get the extent of the appeal (though I understand the reason for it) but better people turn out than not.0
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Yes, I agree. It is good for democracy that more people are voting.kle4 said:Good for them. I don't get the extent of the appeal (though I understand the reason for it) but better people turn out than not.
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Labour has polled 42% of the vote in England. Extraordinary.0
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conservatives need a quick coronation now the country can't wait0
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Disaster. At least my reports back here from Torbay were spot on the money - Kevin Foster stuck over 10k onto his majority, up 12.4%; LibDem tactical votes unwinding, down 8.7%; Labour benefiting up 9.5%; and UKIP smashed, down 11.2%. However, I did say it felt like the caravan had moved on, that we in Torbay could only hear distant gunfire, but were no longer at the Front. The battle was elsewhere.
The central literature we were sent to deliver though was shite, in my opinion. Scatter gun, messy, confusing, no coherent message. The central premise was: Theresa May. What we were asked to deliver was a cult of personality to somebody who, frankly, has no personality. Certainly, nothing to sell. She has to go after this debacle because if she doesn't, nothing will improve.
I also think Philip Hammond takes a big chunk of blame. Labour's offering was avoid of any economic merit whatsoever. It was every wish you could imagine, cobbled together to appeal to the widest audience who wanted to hear SOMETHING as a reason to vote. The suppliers of Moons on Sticks have had a blinder. It should have been systematically DESTROYED.
Even from the bubble of Torbay, I feared this might happen. Not for nothing did I say that May needed to stand up on Monday and offer to meet the notorious £350m a week to the NHS by the end of this Parliament. No more of a Moon on a Stick than Labour were offering, but it would have given a PURPOSE to getting Brexit through. A purpose totally lacking in this campaign. She'd be looking at a majority north of 100 if she had.
This was a Brexit election that had nothing to sell to the voters. Some hard-hitting honesty about future pension costs and later life care costs was not a Manifesto to compensate. Not when the other guy is offering bright, shiny things, even if they were so fragile they would break before you could get them home.
The curse of interesting times lies ahead.0 -
Give people a reason to vote and they will vote.
Corbyn gave the young reasons to vote.
Whereas the Conservatives didn't give their natural supporters sufficient reasons.0 -
Great times to be a NI Unionist. Now, about that wish-list to come out of Brexit.....0
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Slight flaw is the lack of a suitable crown prince or princess to take the jobkjohnw said:conservatives need a quick coronation now the country can't wait
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What happens if the new voters watch as the old politics happens though, derision is the usual answer. The Labour manifesto is asking for a large increase in the deficit, with Brexit and a recession statistically likely.numbertwelve said:
Yes, I agree. It is good for democracy that more people are voting.kle4 said:Good for them. I don't get the extent of the appeal (though I understand the reason for it) but better people turn out than not.
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Cannot believe the result my way in Ilford North - Wes Streeting put on 14% for Labour, increasing his majority from 589 to 9,639! Safe Labour now I guess.0
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perhaps Boris is the best option, he's going to the next election owning Brexit and offering the £350 million a week to the NHS I certainly don't see how we're going to end up coming out of the single market now and freedom of movement. we end up staying in the EU in all but name0
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The problem is you, and the party, did not listen. Brexit was everything.MarqueeMark said:Disaster. At least my reports back here from Torbay were spot on the money - Kevin Foster stuck over 10k onto his majority, up 12.4%; LibDem tactical votes unwinding, down 8.7%; Labour benefiting up 9.5%; and UKIP smashed, down 11.2%. However, I did say it felt like the caravan had moved on, that we in Torbay could only hear distant gunfire, but were no longer at the Front. The battle was elsewhere.
The central literature we were sent to deliver though was shite, in my opinion. Scatter gun, messy, confusing, no coherent message. The central premise was: Theresa May. What we were asked to deliver was a cult of personality to somebody who, frankly, has no personality. Certainly, nothing to sell. She has to go after this debacle because if she doesn't, nothing will improve.
I also think Philip Hammond takes a big chunk of blame. Labour's offering was avoid of any economic merit whatsoever. It was every wish you could imagine, cobbled together to appeal to the widest audience who wanted to hear SOMETHING as a reason to vote. The suppliers of Moons on Sticks have had a blinder. It should have been systematically DESTROYED.
Even from the bubble of Torbay, I feared this might happen. Not for nothing did I say that May needed to stand up on Monday and offer to meet the notorious £350m a week to the NHS by the end of this Parliament. No more of a Moon on a Stick than Labour were offering, but it would have given a PURPOSE to getting Brexit through. A purpose totally lacking in this campaign. She'd be looking at a majority north of 100 if she had.
This was a Brexit election that had nothing to sell to the voters. Some hard-hitting honesty about future pension costs and later life care costs was not a Manifesto to compensate. Not when the other guy is offering bright, shiny things, even if they were so fragile they would break before you could get them home.
The curse of interesting times lies ahead.0 -
This election had shown that nothing is safe.Sunil_Prasannan said:Cannot believe the result my way in Ilford North - Wes Streeting put on 11% for Labour, inccreasing his majority from 589 to 9,600! Safe Labour now I guess.
Take the voters for granted and you are twatted.0 -
I think I predicted that sort of result from 100 miles away.Sunil_Prasannan said:Cannot believe the result my way in Ilford North - Wes Streeting put on 14% for Labour, increasing his majority from 589 to 9,639! Safe Labour now I guess.
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Safe Red Tory more like.Sunil_Prasannan said:Cannot believe the result my way in Ilford North - Wes Streeting put on 14% for Labour, increasing his majority from 589 to 9,639! Safe Labour now I guess.
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Eh? Tories had NOC in 2010, and a working (if narrow) majority in 2015. Their 2010-5 majority was thanks to 50+ LibDems on the teamAlistair said:
People let Labours loss of seats nationally blind them to what happened in 2015 - the government's majority fell massively. The pendulum is swingingaway from the government.AndyJS said:Labour has polled 42% of the vote in England. Extraordinary.
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Time to put the national interest first and form a government of national unity under Prime Minister John Curtice-1
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I think YouGov has a Tardis. Predicting High Peak and Canterbuy was bloody genius polling.0
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Due some form of gong, surely?edmundintokyo said:Time to put the national interest first and form a government of national unity under Prime Minister John Curtice
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Good Morning All
Recount in St Ives0 -
Jezza won 75.7% of the votes in Islington North, up 15.5%.0
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Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.0 -
MarqueeMark said:
I think YouGov has a Tardis. Predicting High Peak and Canterbuy was bloody genius polling.
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Must be one of the safest seats in the realm now?old_labour said:Jezza won 75.7% of the votes in Islington North, up 15.5%.
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Yeah, but there's the small matter of Brexit negotiations in 10 days. The Tories can't be seen to be tarting about when the most important issue of our generation needs addressing.dixiedean said:
That worked well last time, Can;t understand the view that what is needed is another unelected, untried PM. don't know where we go, but an arrogant "we decide" is not good.kjohnw said:conservatives need a quick coronation now the country can't wait
So, perhaps May will stay on, citing that reason.
But she shouldn't, as she asked the country to back her (*her*) and they didn't: she lost seats.
So, it will have to be another coronation.0 -
So the governments majority decreased then?Harris_Tweed said:
Eh? Tories had NOC in 2010, and a working (if narrow) majority in 2015. Their 2010-5 majority was thanks to 50+ LibDems on the teamAlistair said:
People let Labours loss of seats nationally blind them to what happened in 2015 - the government's majority fell massively. The pendulum is swingingaway from the government.AndyJS said:Labour has polled 42% of the vote in England. Extraordinary.
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Except the people didn't say they wanted Corbyn to reign. They said they wanted the Tories to be the largest party, with Labour large enough to mean a hung parliament.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
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So the people change, but not total change.
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It would be good if they had David Butler in the TV studio for old times sake.0
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How many people on here were mocking g YouGov's High Peak prediction?0
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@AndyJS is your man for facts like that.RobD said:
Must be one of the safest seats in the realm now?old_labour said:Jezza won 75.7% of the votes in Islington North, up 15.5%.
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Scotland had a very different election...
- turnout decreased a lot (71.1 to 66.4)
- SNP lost a third of its 2015 votes (-477 000)
- CON gained 75% more votes than in 2015
- LAB almost stood still (+10 000) and LD actually lost votes (-20 000) but both gained seats...
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Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.0 -
I don't see how: have the Tories abstain on a Corbyn Queen's Speech?JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
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Mystic MegAlistair said:Survation Gold standard
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Add in the EU referendum, and it's change they want.kle4 said:
Except the people didn't say they wanted Corbyn to reign. They said they wanted the Tories to be the largest party, with Labour large enough to mean a hung parliament.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
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So the people change, but not total change.
Only Corbyn's offering them that.
It's the Europhobe's who have done this.0 -
Poor May. Tragically misled.
I'd really like Davis but think the narrative is against a Brexiter - I feel he'll be the bridesmaid again.
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What seems so bizarre about this result is that Labour didn't even appear to be trying to hold seats like Ilford. Yet they romped home0
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Curtice is competent, hard working, properly prepared and has attention to detail.edmundintokyo said:Time to put the national interest first and form a government of national unity under Prime Minister John Curtice
Doesn't sound like a government minister to me.
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Old times sake is a Teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrribbbbbbble night for the Tories.old_labour said:It would be good if they had David Butler in the TV studio for old times sake.
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I didn't expect Labour to win by such a margin in Bristol West, but felt Greens were shambolic, without any real idea of who or where there vote lay. Surprised Labour did so well given that none of the material I received mentioned Corbyn, and that there had been trouble between Momentum and Debonaire.
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Cameron called the referendumJosiasJessop said:
Add in the EU referendum, and it's change they want.kle4 said:
Except the people didn't say they wanted Corbyn to reign. They said they wanted the Tories to be the largest party, with Labour large enough to mean a hung parliament.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
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So the people change, but not total change.
Only Corbyn's offering them that.
It's the Europhobe's who have done this.
May called the election
nobody made them do it0 -
Scotland vote share:
SNP 37
Con 29
Lab 27
LD 7
Independence looks finished.0 -
Sunil will know more about the whole campaign but it was reported that David Miliband was on the ground in Ilford North yesterday.not_on_fire said:What seems so bizarre about this result is that Labour didn't even appear to be trying to hold seats like Ilford. Yet they romped home
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Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.0 -
SNP hold Fife North East by 2 mother fucking votes.0
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The very first firm commitment announced by the Tories - a week or more before the manifesto was published - was to maintain the 0.7% of GDP spend on foreign aid. My heart sank.
Just how few voters who decide on the basis of that commitment did we attract? And just how many potential voters did we lose by not scrapping it and diverting the funding to the NHS?0 -
Zac by 45...0
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They ran a very good national campaign, but left individual seats to local parties. Con did the opposite, and we see whose campaign did best.not_on_fire said:What seems so bizarre about this result is that Labour didn't even appear to be trying to hold seats like Ilford. Yet they romped home
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Arise Sir John Curtice. It must happen.0
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Zac wins by just 45 votes0
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I had no idea they would do so well - though YG knew!AndyJS said:Labour has polled 42% of the vote in England. Extraordinary.
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Oh, not this again. The rabid Europhobes in the party made Cameron and Osborne call the referendum. If they hadn't they'd have been out on their ears.Alanbrooke said:
Cameron called the referendumJosiasJessop said:
Add in the EU referendum, and it's change they want.kle4 said:
Except the people didn't say they wanted Corbyn to reign. They said they wanted the Tories to be the largest party, with Labour large enough to mean a hung parliament.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
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So the people change, but not total change.
Only Corbyn's offering them that.
It's the Europhobe's who have done this.
May called the election
nobody made them do it0 -
A terrible result.MarkSenior said:Zac wins by just 45 votes
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I really think May should shuffle off the stage. She went back on everything she’d said, particularly about the need for an election, and now everything’s backfired on her. Labour is rejuventated, and rejuventated under Corbyn, she’s managed somehow to make Northern Ireland even more polarised and she looks as though the only way a Government with some sort of majority can be formed is by a Tory-DUP ‘alliance”.
If there’s a plus for her and the Tories it’s that there’s evidence that the Unionist card is worth playing in Scotland, although I don’t the impression that Scots Tories take the same view on Brexit as English and Welsh ones.0 -
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As I said on the previous thread, although this is a clusterf*** of epic proportions, things to take away:
1. JC is not going to be prime minister. Yet, anyway.
2. The government CAN work. It will take a lot of bloody hard effort to make it work, but they can scrape together a majority with the DUP and will have to be more consensual.
3. They now need to be a managerial government acting in the national interest to get on with and deliver Brexit. That is now the prime purpose of the next government. No ridiculousness like social care bombshells or ridiculous new taxes, just no-nonsense, businesslike governing.
4. Such a government probably can't last a full term, and will probably lose to a labour landslide at the next election, but cest la vie. That is the hand that has been dealt.
Let's have Davis as PM, someone who is well respected across the divide appointed as Brexit secretary, perhaps even bring in Starmer in some kind of capacity. And let's just get on with governing. No gimmicks. 2-3 years. No more elections for the time being - the public have had enough of them. Just keep the country ticking over and get on with the big job at hand.0 -
Bold claim and I wouldn't bet on it right now but it's something that George Osborne might consider when not making quotes about the Tories abandoning metropolitan values. Perhaps the Union is saved after Cameron put it on life support.MikeL said:Scotland vote share:
SNP 37
Con 29
Lab 27
LD 7
Independence looks finished.
I do worry about Northern Ireland however. Tories reliant on the DUP, handling Brexit with the concerns about a hard border in Ireland and virtually no other Irish voice in parliament.0 -
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Can't believe Zac squeaked through.0
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The number of seats where either Labour or the Tories got over 60% is quite shocking really. Shows how divided the country is.0
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You have to make do with his Twitter a/c.https://twitter.com/SirDavidButler/status/872981170811744256old_labour said:It would be good if they had David Butler in the TV studio for old times sake.
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Zac, ugh.0
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Corbyn does not have a Parliamentary majority, even with a coalition.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
So I do not see how he can govern even as a minority.
Still let's see where we are in a few hours.
It does feel awfully like a rerun of the 1970's to me. Pointless elections, hung Parliaments, hard Left on the up, a vulnerable economy - but this time with the added FUBAR of Brexit. It does not look good and I fear that those who will suffer most will be the young.0 -
YG is the new Gold StandardAlistair said:How many people on here were mocking g YouGov's High Peak prediction?
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It was maybe the BOOers who made them put it in the 2015 manifesto but it was the voters in that election that made it happen.JosiasJessop said:
Oh, not this again. The rabid Europhobes in the party made Cameron and Osborne call the referendum. If they hadn't they'd have been out on their ears.Alanbrooke said:
Cameron called the referendumJosiasJessop said:
Add in the EU referendum, and it's change they want.kle4 said:
Except the people didn't say they wanted Corbyn to reign. They said they wanted the Tories to be the largest party, with Labour large enough to mean a hung parliament.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
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So the people change, but not total change.
Only Corbyn's offering them that.
It's the Europhobe's who have done this.
May called the election
nobody made them do it0 -
Zak - what a farce - but every seat is vitally important so it's a serious farce.0
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Con regain Richmond Park by 45 votes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000896
Goldsmith 28,588
Olney 28,5430 -
Zac is back0
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You would need a heart of stone not to laugh!!! Ha ha! They destroyed a fundamentally decent bloke over a butty. Reap what you sow...foxinsoxuk said:0 -
I have a near- three-year old. I vote on his benefit until he reaches eighteen. I, and my generation, have truly fucked up.Cyclefree said:
Corbyn does not have a Parliamentary majority, even with a coalition.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
So I do not see how he can govern even as a minority.
Still let's see where we are in a few hours.
It does feel awfully like a rerun of the 1970's to me. Pointless elections, hung Parliaments, hard Left on the up, a vulnerable economy - but this time with the added FUBAR of Brexit. It does not look good and I fear that those who will suffer most will be the young.0 -
SCON now have more MPs than SLAB and SLD combined for the first time since 19310
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Given the position I suppose well have Zac back then.... time for bed and then hopefully collect on all those lovely scon wins!!! Thanks for the tips on those....0
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The Conservatives would be much better off without Zac.MikeL said:Zak - what a farce - but every seat is vitally important so it's a serious farce.
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May won't be credible as PM.
The only question is whether the new Con leader goes for another GE or not.0 -
Labour hold Dudley North by 22.
It feels like there are many more hyper-marginals than usual, can anyone confirm or refute?0 -
Lab hold Dudley North by 22 votes.
Lots of wins by tiny margins - on both sides.0 -
It's still not their fault. They were forced into this by the Europhobic loons.ThreeQuidder said:
It was maybe the BOOers who made them put it in the 2015 manifesto but it was the voters in that election that made it happen.JosiasJessop said:
Oh, not this again. The rabid Europhobes in the party made Cameron and Osborne call the referendum. If they hadn't they'd have been out on their ears.Alanbrooke said:
Cameron called the referendumJosiasJessop said:
Add in the EU referendum, and it's change they want.kle4 said:
Except the people didn't say they wanted Corbyn to reign. They said they wanted the Tories to be the largest party, with Labour large enough to mean a hung parliament.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
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So the people change, but not total change.
Only Corbyn's offering them that.
It's the Europhobe's who have done this.
May called the election
nobody made them do it
And the most vocal people on here are mostly insulated from it, whilst I'm genuinely concerned for my son's future.0 -
The Leveson point in one of the replies is a good one.The_Apocalypse said:
Leveson2 is very much not dead.
That was a sh*tty attempted stitchup between May, Murdoch and Dacre.
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The bored housewife vote.MarkSenior said:Zac wins by just 45 votes
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Utter nonsense. A great constituency MP, pro-brexit, green on the inside blue on the outside, very socially liberal. He's basically a eurosceptic Cameroon.JosiasJessop said:
The Conservatives would be much better off without Zac.MikeL said:Zak - what a farce - but every seat is vitally important so it's a serious farce.
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Lab hold Dudley North by 22 votes.0
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Zac back and crack on regardless....0
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Your call.
Federally United Conservative, Kippers Unionist Party.
Christ I got some abuse when I first posted that acronym.0 -
I think so.ThreeQuidder said:Labour hold Dudley North by 22.
It feels like there are many more hyper-marginals than usual, can anyone confirm or refute?0 -
Con on 314.
Five seats to come - all Con defences
Four in Cornwall + Kensington.
Recounts at St Ives and Kensington.0 -
Theresa May on the white cliffs -- whose was that erection? It wasn't on the front pages yesterday (or was it?).0
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I follow it.dr_spyn said:
You have to make do with his Twitter a/c.https://twitter.com/SirDavidButler/status/872981170811744256old_labour said:It would be good if they had David Butler in the TV studio for old times sake.
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Fox takeover of Sky probably off.0
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He called a totally unnecessary by-election. A but like Davis.Pauly said:
Utter nonsense. A great constituency MP, pro-brexit, green on the inside blue on the outside, very socially liberal. He's basically a eurosceptic Cameroon.JosiasJessop said:
The Conservatives would be much better off without Zac.MikeL said:Zak - what a farce - but every seat is vitally important so it's a serious farce.
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JJ's putting it more strongly than I would, but the arrogant underestimate how much they are resented.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.0 -
On the other hand, seats like Ilford North are pretty safe Labour.OUT said:
I think so.ThreeQuidder said:Labour hold Dudley North by 22.
It feels like there are many more hyper-marginals than usual, can anyone confirm or refute?0 -
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours0 -
These last five seats are vital - they will determine how long Con + DUP can last - if they want to try to last several years.0
