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Jezza would bring in a Clean Air Act to tackle air pollution within 30 days.If he does try to implement the Labour manifesto,he has the democratic legitimacy to do so.An emergency budget to end Tory austerity is the clear priority.ThreeQuidder said:
Not possible, I don't think, there's no chance of Corbyn passing a Queen's Speech.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.0 -
Definitely. All about the kind of Brexit. Most Remainers fon't want another unpleasant and divisive referendum.kle4 said:
Labour were supporting Brexit going in to this election!The_Taxman said:
It was the Brexit election and the Tories lost.old_labour said:Do the Tories stick to Hard Brexit or do get the Great Betrayal?
They should scrap Brexit.
As nickP speculated, their less gung ho approach, whilst not going as far as the LDs, night have been crucial in some places.0 -
People want to live in the lifestyle and with the services they think they deserve and they want the government to ensure that they can do so.JosiasJessop said:
People want change. That's what leavers promised, but they didn't think through the consequences.another_richard said:
Probably but risky.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.
Corbyn would never be able to fulfil his promises and it would all fall apart quickly.
Its going to end very badly.
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How on earth do they let Corbyn try to govern with the current parliamentary numbers ?JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.
It doesn't compute.
But neither can they effectively govern themselves.
Nice little puzzle May has left her successor.0 -
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North Devon Tories by 4000.0
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FFS. I remember the by-election there, 2008. DC. Better times.dr_spyn said:Lab gain Crewe and Nantwich.
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Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
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AlistairM said:
It is possible to appoint @RuthDavidsonMSP to the House of Lords and into the Cabinet as perhaps Secretary of State for Scotland...
— Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft) June 9, 2017
Is this true?
Legally, of course it is.
Politically a non runner. She'd turn it down for starters...0 -
CONFIRMED: Wales is a Lib Dem free zone - Plaid take Ceredigion0
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Paul Mason is feeling smug today: see his twitter. Newsnight tonight with him and Iain Dale should be hilarious. Polly Mackenzie will also have something to be cheerful about, given how well the LDs have done.0
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319 now implies no more losses0
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She can't. Not with the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell.Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.
Davis might be able to work with Starmer, however.0 -
It looks like Jeremy Corbyn is going through the same number of Tory Prime Ministers as he has wives.
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it costs about £50k per kid for a degreeanother_richard said:
Two kids means £54k fees debt (plus other university debts).Alanbrooke said:
as well as pissing off parents who dont see why their kids should be racked up with debtanother_richard said:
I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.
Unaffordable housing in many middle class areas and then the government has the bright idea of the dementia tax.
two grads getting married have a £100k mortgage around their neck before they get anywhre near a house0 -
Wow - I see the LDs went back over 20% in Gordon. The price of tactical voting to get the SNP out.0
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Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.0 -
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
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Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
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Pedantry. That situation lasted four days before Lord Home renounced his peerage and became Sir Alec. The point being that it was unacceptable even then to govern from the Lords.JackW said:
Not so. Lord Home was PM from the HoL.atia2 said:Yes, but we haven't had a PM in the Lords since Salisbury.
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I'm staying up for that.old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
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In practice a soft border means a soft Brexit.kle4 said:
That was already on th eTory wishlist I would think.foxinsoxuk said:
Tory minority government is the only viable one.numbertwelve said:Tories now on 311 - enough to pass a Queens Speech with DUP backing.
The next government will be Tory. How long it lasts is another question entirely.
What is DUP Brexit policy?
Soft border with Ireland?
A new Tory leader will surely want to reshuffle the Brexit team.0 -
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
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Roger, we had a referendum on the EU won by leavers. We have had a GE in which both main parties appeared to accept the result. The one party that didn't was the Lib Dems who've hardly surged forward.Roger said:Boris loses half his majority. How could he possibly become leader when he's more responsible for the mess we're in than anyone except TM herself.
'Do the Remainers have a new spring in their step?' They certainly do. They're the biggest long term winners0 -
Commiserations to Tissue Price.0
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You voted Labour IIRC, so congratulations - looks like there is a demand for change in this countryMonksfield said:Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.
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Plaid gain Ceredigion from LD by 104.0
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It is 1.22 AM here and I am thinking of cracking open my first can of beer.RobD said:
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
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"Crosby's team didn't understand May."0
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The big question (other than whether hard or soft is even viable and what would that mean) is how much the Tories hold together if they should roll back on the hard stuff a little. UKIP are still waiting ini the wings, and with new Tory marginals created, if we had another quick election after some Tories get upset over a softer brexit approach, that is problematic for the party, even as it is probably what most of theMPs in the commons think is the best approach.foxinsoxuk said:
In practice a soft border means a soft Brexit.kle4 said:
That was already on th eTory wishlist I would think.foxinsoxuk said:
Tory minority government is the only viable one.numbertwelve said:Tories now on 311 - enough to pass a Queens Speech with DUP backing.
The next government will be Tory. How long it lasts is another question entirely.
What is DUP Brexit policy?
Soft border with Ireland?
A new Tory leader will surely want to reshuffle the Brexit team.0 -
This is the whole point. Under the Tories, nominal taxes are lower than under other parties, but the actual cost of having a sensible existence is much, much higher. It's a con.Alanbrooke said:it costs about £50k per kid for a degree
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People wan change, because they want the lifestyle want whether they pay for it of preferably not.another_richard said:
People want to live in the lifestyle and with the services they think they deserve and they want the government to ensure that they can do so.JosiasJessop said:
People want change. That's what leavers promised, but they didn't think through the consequences.another_richard said:
Probably but risky.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.
Corbyn would never be able to fulfil his promises and it would all fall apart quickly.
Its going to end very badly.
It is going to end badly.
If Corbyn can get people to accept higher taxes, and those taxes are spent well and not pissed down union black holes, then good on him. If not, then we're fucked.
But people want change.0 -
Loose change to some of the Bullingdon crowd.Alanbrooke said:
it costs about £50k per kid for a degreeanother_richard said:
Two kids means £54k fees debt (plus other university debts).Alanbrooke said:
as well as pissing off parents who dont see why their kids should be racked up with debtanother_richard said:
I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.
Unaffordable housing in many middle class areas and then the government has the bright idea of the dementia tax.
two grads getting married have a £100k mortgage around their neck before they get anywhre near a house
But it was blindingly obviously back in 2010 that it would produce disaster sooner or later.0 -
Commiserations to @Tissue_Price. He fought the good fight which cannot be said for most of us. Oh, and I have never cared for Caroline Flint.0
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Gotta ditch David Davis for that, and Boris and Fox.Monksfield said:Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.
Spreadsheet Phil would be a better bet.0 -
10:54 am here and can't bet as corporate network goes via Singapore....old_labour said:
It is 1.22 AM here and I am thinking of cracking open my first can of beer.RobD said:
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
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Crewe to Lab
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+1old_labour said:Commiserations to @Tissue_Price. He fought the good fight which cannot be said for most of us. Oh, and I have never cared for Caroline Flint.
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What kind of bizarre time zone are you in?eek said:
10:54 am hereold_labour said:
It is 1.22 AM here and I am thinking of cracking open my first can of beer.RobD said:
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
June 9, 2017
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Kensington must be on a knife-edge.0
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I've been up 23 hours now, I think I'll give it a miss. Truly staggered by this outcome, and worried by the uncertainty - a Corbyn majority or at least a clear working arrangement he could cobble together would have been clearer.The_Apocalypse said:
I'm staying up for that.old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
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My grand-auntie will be annoyed.OUT said:Crewe to Lab
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Next PM market - need to check rules.
Surely May remains PM whilst new leadership election takes place.0 -
Have you been up all night or just woken up?eek said:
10:54 am here and can't bet as corporate network goes via Singapore....old_labour said:
It is 1.22 AM here and I am thinking of cracking open my first can of beer.RobD said:
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
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India - for just this week watching a project go utterly pearshaped....RobD said:
What kind of bizarre time zone are you in?eek said:
10:54 am hereold_labour said:
It is 1.22 AM here and I am thinking of cracking open my first can of beer.RobD said:
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
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How many seats did the Tories lose by less than 1000 votes, and how many did Labour lose by the same margin?
It feels like the Tory vote has been inefficient in the most cruel way possible.0 -
You weren't working on the Tory campaign were you?eek said:
India - for just this week watching a project go utterly pearshaped....RobD said:
What kind of bizarre time zone are you in?eek said:
10:54 am hereold_labour said:
It is 1.22 AM here and I am thinking of cracking open my first can of beer.RobD said:
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
June 9, 2017
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Totally agree. For Theresa May to only beat Jeremy Corbyn by 2.5% in the popular vote is utterly shocking and she has to resign by lunchtime I think.old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
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I think over 26 hours - and a third a bottle of whisky and one F1 engine - for me.kle4 said:
I've been up 23 hours now, I think I'll give it a miss. Truly staggered by this outcome, and worried by the uncertainty - a Corbyn majority or at least a clear working arrangement he could cobble together would have been clearer.The_Apocalypse said:
I'm staying up for that.old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
June 9, 2017
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Lab won Crewe & Nantwich by 480
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Crewe & Nantwich: Labour gain by 48 votes.0
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Forecast still saying 14 for LD - I don't think that is possible with Ceredigion done?0
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Send her a nice box of choccies.JosiasJessop said:
My grand-auntie will be annoyed.OUT said:Crewe to Lab
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Got a decent amount of sleep between 9pm and 2am time UK can't sort out my bets but only lost a few quid on Tory majority bets.old_labour said:
Have you been up all night or just woken up?eek said:
10:54 am here and can't bet as corporate network goes via Singapore....old_labour said:
It is 1.22 AM here and I am thinking of cracking open my first can of beer.RobD said:
pm, yeah.old_labour said:
Is it 10.22 where you are?RobD said:
Hm, do I wait up almost four hours for it....old_labour said:This is from Coffee House, the Spectator blog.
Coffee House (@SpecCoffeeHouse)
Theresa May to give a speech at 10am amid reports she will resign:https://t.co/ZdyrWpwDUy
June 9, 2017
More than made up for with Scottish seat bets - which will pay for a very nice night out...0 -
Low taxes are of little benefit if you wind up paying for education, health and social care on top of the taxes.atia2 said:
This is the whole point. Under the Tories, nominal taxes are lower than under other parties, but the actual cost of having a sensible existence is much, much higher. It's a con.Alanbrooke said:it costs about £50k per kid for a degree
two grads getting married have a £100k mortgage around their neck before they get anywhre near a house
This is something that Lab got right, it wasn't the planned nationalisations that won it for them.0 -
LDs nowhere in my seat, Labour now 17% in front in a shire county seat - they are really screwed for the next elections.0
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I'd intended to catch the exit poll, wait around for a few results and then get some kip. Been up all night and now it's time to go to work :-(
The country doesn't seem to want either a right-wing Tory govt or a left-wing Labour one. Which of them is going to try and shift back to the centre first before the next election?
My guess is the Tories, because Corbyn isn't going anywhere. Can they manage it and not fracture? Beats me.
WillS.0 -
In a word: complacency.JosiasJessop said:
"The biggest winners are the hard Left. Sadly."Cyclefree said:The biggest winners are the hard Left. Sadly.
The Tories need to have a proper leadership election and need to rethink their approach to Brexit. Quite fundamentally in my view.
I'm glad Wes Streeting won. I was at a lunch with him recently and liked him. Very sad about Nick Clegg. But glad that the Lib Dems did better than expected.
It's a funny old world, as someone once said, that the Tories will have got one of their highest shares of the vote and done very well in Scotland but it feels like a defeat for them.
Still, thankfully at least no PM Corbyn - for now - and even if I'm not a Corbyn supporter, good that the young have turned out to vote. It is not good to have people not voting and if it means that politicians listen to their concerns so much the better.
The trouble is all groups are being bribed and the economy is simply not strong enough to pay for all the promises. At some point soon reality is going to hit and it's not going to be pretty.
Finally, I am going to buff my nails and blow my own trumpet.
I thought Corbyn might just do it and said as much on here a few days ago, to general derision.
I was wrong but not as wrong as all those predicting large Tory majorities.
You - and we - need to ask why.
Because the moderate social democratic left did not make its case. And nor did the Tories make the case for themselves. And the criticism of Corbyn's hard Left views were that they were vote losers not that they were morally wrong and why they are so. Nor did they show how his economic policies will cause harm and have caused harm everywhere they have been tried.
So for those wanting change - and there is plenty wrong at the moment which needs changing - Labourwas the obvious option.0 -
Yes, first time ever. Never thought 40% was possible though. Playing the man rather than the policies was not good for the Tories in the end.The_Apocalypse said:
You voted Labour IIRC, so congratulations - looks like there is a demand for change in this countryMonksfield said:Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.0 -
Two votes!!!0
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CHINNED0
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SNP hold NE Fife by 2 votes.0
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SNP hold Fife North East by 2 votes.0
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The lucky gits! 0
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To a degree - they are largest party, just shy of a majority. So its a demand for change, but not too much. Thanks country.The_Apocalypse said:
You voted Labour IIRC, so congratulations - looks like there is a demand for change in this countryMonksfield said:Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.
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Richmond Park & St Ives?kle4 said:Forecast still saying 14 for LD - I don't think that is possible with Ceredigion done?
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Truro and Falmouth goes Tory. Massive Labour surge though.0
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LBC reporting that there could be as little 42 votes between Zac and Olney in Richmond Park. Everything crossed that the 42 is in favour of Zac.0
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There were 2 leadership elections, and a Conservative campaign. I think the case was made. It just failed to convince people who voted for Brexit that the status quo was suddenly nice.Cyclefree said:
In a word: complacency.JosiasJessop said:
"The biggest winners are the hard Left. Sadly."Cyclefree said:The biggest winners are the hard Left. Sadly.
The Tories need to have a proper leadership election and need to rethink their approach to Brexit. Quite fundamentally in my view.
I'm glad Wes Streeting won. I was at a lunch with him recently and liked him. Very sad about Nick Clegg. But glad that the Lib Dems did better than expected.
It's a funny old world, as someone once said, that the Tories will have got one of their highest shares of the vote and done very well in Scotland but it feels like a defeat for them.
Still, thankfully at least no PM Corbyn - for now - and even if I'm not a Corbyn supporter, good that the young have turned out to vote. It is not good to have people not voting and if it means that politicians listen to their concerns so much the better.
The trouble is all groups are being bribed and the economy is simply not strong enough to pay for all the promises. At some point soon reality is going to hit and it's not going to be pretty.
Finally, I am going to buff my nails and blow my own trumpet.
I thought Corbyn might just do it and said as much on here a few days ago, to general derision.
I was wrong but not as wrong as all those predicting large Tory majorities.
You - and we - need to ask why.
Because the moderate social democratic left did not make its case. And nor did the Tories make the case for themselves. And the criticism of Corbyn's hard Left views were that they were vote losers not that they were morally wrong and why they are so. Nor did they show how his economic policies will cause harm and have caused harm everywhere they have been tried.
So for those wanting change - and there is plenty wrong at the moment which needs changing - Labourwas the obvious option.0 -
I'm just looking at the vote numbers for 2015 vs 2017 (so far).
Con: 11,334,576 -> 13,438,849
Lab: 9,347,304 -> 12,742,291
May added 2.1M votes onto the best Cameron ever did but still ends up having to resign because Labour added 3.4M.
Incredible really when you think that Blair got a big majority in 2005 with just 9,567,589 votes!0 -
I like Stephen Gethins. Pleased he won.0
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Best Labour result in terms of votes cast since 1997 - or to put it the other way Jezhollah got 2m more votes than Blair in 2001.
A fascinating evening. A dozen of those seats won by a double digit vote majority going the other way, and Jeremy would be PM. As it is we don't know who the PM will be...
One option:
1. May resigns at 10am. They'll anoint Boris as populist Foreign Secretary
2. DUP put demands in that the Tories can't back - they want the single market to protect their border
3. Tory Queens Speech contains no material at all barring Brexit. Will it pass...?
Lets be honest. The incoming government has no authority. No traction. No power to negotiate a glass of water from the EU never mind a cost-free hard brexit with access to the single market. What a cluster fuck by the Maybot. Let "Strong and Stable" go down as the stupidest campaign strategy of this generation.0 -
Bad luck LDs in Fife. Goddamnit, too many SNP MPs survived just about.0
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Rather spectacular German tax fraud,which amy other day might make a big headline:
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Ineffective unionist voting again. 24% voting Tory when they were distant 3rd last time0
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A demand for change in the midst of the biggest change in two generations - Brexit.kle4 said:
To a degree - they are largest party, just shy of a majority. So its a demand for change, but not too much. Thanks country.The_Apocalypse said:
You voted Labour IIRC, so congratulations - looks like there is a demand for change in this countryMonksfield said:Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.
God knows where that leads.0 -
Con can't afford any more losses to get 319.
But at risk:
Kensington
Richmond Park
St Ives
Maybe a chance of gaining Dudley North?0 -
The Labour defence list is complete, apart from Dudley North. Of the 117 seats on the list, they've lost 5 and held 111.
The 5 they've lost are Middlesbrough South, Walsall North, Copeland, Stoke South, Mansfield.
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The public is somewhat confused, and are now relying on highly partisan politicians to try to cobble something together from our vague indications, for the best outcome for the country, even though we also punish any hint of compromise or telling of harsh truths.JosiasJessop said:
A demand for change in the midst of the biggest change in two generations - Brexit.kle4 said:
To a degree - they are largest party, just shy of a majority. So its a demand for change, but not too much. Thanks country.The_Apocalypse said:
You voted Labour IIRC, so congratulations - looks like there is a demand for change in this countryMonksfield said:Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.
God knows where that leads.
It's going to be a tough few years.0 -
Damning with faint praise, much?RobD said:
Maybe that isn't such a bad thing, in terms of Brexit.. having both parties involved.Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
Shit. My sister lives there.AndyJS said:Crewe & Nantwich: Labour gain by 48 votes.
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Nah. It's not as bad as the prostitutes-and-armbands scandal.Nigelb said:Rather spectacular German tax fraud,which amy other day might make a big headline:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40199259
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/insurance/8524688/Insurance-giant-Munich-Re-admits-it-used-prostitutes-to-reward-staff.html0 -
I stayed up and watched the whole thing - with the help of grapefruit juice, Pringles and (yes...) popcorn.
I'm sad about the Lib Dem losses (especially Nick Clegg) but happy to see the overall gains. This looks, overall, like a much stronger and effective Lib Dem parliamentary team now - and I don't particularly mean in the numerical sense but more in terms of the individual people involved.
Off to work now. Hope I can stay awake for another 9 hours there. 0 -
You are forgetting that Brexit means Brexit.RochdalePioneers said:
Lets be honest. The incoming government has no authority. No traction. No power to negotiate a glass of water from the EU never mind a cost-free hard brexit with access to the single market. What a cluster fuck by the Maybot. Let "Strong and Stable" go down as the stupidest campaign strategy of this generation.0 -
You call it "pedantry" I call it accuracy.atia2 said:0 -
Simple easy to understand rule, take the worst SNP poll result and take off 3.0
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Indeed.kle4 said:
The public is somewhat confused, and are now relying on highly partisan politicians to try to cobble something together from our vague indications, for the best outcome for the country, even though we also punish any hint of compromise or telling of harsh truths.JosiasJessop said:
A demand for change in the midst of the biggest change in two generations - Brexit.kle4 said:
To a degree - they are largest party, just shy of a majority. So its a demand for change, but not too much. Thanks country.The_Apocalypse said:
You voted Labour IIRC, so congratulations - looks like there is a demand for change in this countryMonksfield said:Just woken up and the exit poll was right. Lol.
Note to the Tories. Stop fucking about and deal with Brexit properly. It's time to stop swaggering about like Lord Flash and eat some humble pie.
God knows where that leads.
It's going to be a tough few years.0 -
Well if May does resign, Betfair says there are only 5 Tory runners:
May 2.44-2.58
Boris 4-4.3 (Foreign Sec)
Davis 12-12.5 (Europe Sec and previous Shadow Home Secretary).
Rudd 7.8-10.5 (Home Sec)
Hammond 50-140 (Chancellor)
Gove 70-110 (Previously at Education and Justice)
All have problems but at current prices I'm happy with my score on Gove.0 -
Thought it was a good one. maybe not a national government, but at least on Brexit.Charles said:
Damning with faint praise, much?RobD said:
Maybe that isn't such a bad thing, in terms of Brexit.. having both parties involved.Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
Well, I also haven't had anything to eat for 13 hours, or a drink in 10, so I;m going to have breakfast and go to bed.
Congratulations Jeremy Corbyn and Labour, mixed blessings to the LDs, and pull your bloody socks up Tories.0 -
Because Corbyn will be 72 then.kle4 said:
Labour will expect to win comfortably in 2022 now - why jeopardize that by working with the Tories?Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
Surely May has to remain PM - unless Con choose new leader unopposed.0
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This is why we get the politicians we have.kle4 said:we also punish any hint of compromise or telling of harsh truths.
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A successor will emerge by then.Charles said:
Because Corbyn will be 72 then.kle4 said:
Labour will expect to win comfortably in 2022 now - why jeopardize that by working with the Tories?Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
Must be senior Tories now sensing blood. They will move to remove her.
The campaign was shambolic. Atrocious. Manifesto was a suicide note.
..god knows where we go from here.0
