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Yes, that's probably fair.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think I know where it went wrong.another_richard said:
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.Casino_Royale said:
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.AndyJS said:What's going on in Southampton? No results yet.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
I'm still in a sense of shock and denial that the Labour vote went up that much.0 -
Who is dressing it up as not bad? It's bloody terrible!TheValiant said:I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.0 -
Tories hold hendon0
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They control the people who do the kneecapping?KentRising said:
Not when they want to retain their kneecaps when they visit their constituencies.JosiasJessop said:
Terrorists want power. Give them the sniff of it and they may take it.Andrew said:
"I, [insert post-terrorist name here], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."JosiasJessop said:Earlier on, I did wonder whether Corbyn would get a majority due to Sinn Fein's entering parliament.
Gonna call it unlikely.
Words matter less than power.0 -
I also think they thought non voters would remain non votersCasino_Royale said:
Yes, that's probably fair.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think I know where it went wrong.another_richard said:
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.Casino_Royale said:
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.AndyJS said:What's going on in Southampton? No results yet.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
I'm still in a sense of shock and denial that the Labour vote went up that much.0 -
LDs have some long term problems with Labour replacing them in the SW as runners up, much as UKIP did. The bar chart swill truthfully say LDs cannot win here.TravelJunkie said:Labour have replaced lib dem!s in Cornwall unbelievable
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Con hold Hendon0
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Could we have a dummy PM for a bit to get around the constitutional problems?atia2 said:
I think this is the only technical possibility. The Tories can't elect (or, if it were possible, select) a new leader before a new ministry is formed. Surely she must be next PM, if only for a few weeks.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
Someone respected, inoffensive and without ambition (ken clarke?) with agreement of >326 while the tories figure out a new leader?0 -
Looks like I was epically wrong about Cambridge!0
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I've never said I was a Conservative. After 2015 i said I could join either the Conservatives or the Lib Dems.LucyJones said:
Presumably what you see when you look in the mirror?JosiasJessop said:
Why? Because I'm elucidating the position I've held for yonks and the 'Conservatives-in-name-only' are rejecting in a toddler-like strop.SimonStClare said:
it shows.JosiasJessop said:I've been up for 26 hours ...
And believe me, I know what one of those looks like.
But I did really like Cameron and Osborne.0 -
A swing to Labour, but I wonder if that was less than in neighbouring seats?TravelJunkie said:Tories hold hendon
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I can't get over how close labour got in Camborne redruth 1500 votes to an incumbent Tory mpkle4 said:
LDs have some long term problems with Labour replacing them in the SW as runners up, much as UKIP did. The bar chart swill truthfully say LDs cannot win here.TravelJunkie said:Labour have replaced lib dem!s in Cornwall unbelievable
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Not true, they've lost Stoke South, Mansfield, Middlesbrough South, Walsall North, NE Derbyshire.KentRising said:0 -
Yes, I feel some relief that the chaos of a JC premiership has been averted, at least for the time being.AndyJS said:
It's a terrible result and May will go, but the Tories haven't been removed from office.TheValiant said:I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
Though my fear is he's going to win a landslide the next time a vote is called.
Tories need to get their heads down and deal with Brexit now. GE can be called after that in 2019. They can probably limp on until then.0 -
LOSERS:Alanbrooke said:WINNERS
Corbyn
Ruth Davidson
DUP
Michel Barnier
LOSERS
May
Labour party moderates
SNP
Austerity
you.0 -
And if the government is able to spend endless billions on bribing its own supporters and funding its vanity projects it is inevitable that those not included will support a party which offers to bribe them.tlg86 said:
Very true.another_richard said:
Not a surprise Labour was up with all the freebies Corbyn was promising.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think I know where it went wrong.another_richard said:
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.Casino_Royale said:
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.AndyJS said:What's going on in Southampton? No results yet.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
And why would anyone believe the economy would collapse if they voted for Corbyn.
After all the economy didn't collapse when Leave won even though the establishment said it would.
Project Fear is no longer believed.
Osborne orchestrated a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old and now the young have struck back.
And who can blame them ?
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Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my viewAlistairM said:Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.0 -
If that's the alternative, we'll just stay in the EFTA-EEA indefinitely.TheScreamingEagles said:
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last yearMyBurningEars said:
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...TheScreamingEagles said:So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-brexiteers-junckers-fifth-columnists/0 -
I do wonder what impact this will have on the economy despite people not believing Project Fear previously. I was a Leaver and never believed they hype around this.
However, being in the top 5% of earners (although not what I'd consider rich as an almost single-income household) I'd expect to get hit hard by any possible future Labour government. We were planning an extension and various other items of spending - they are highly likely to be put on hold with this uncertainty. I'm not going to take any unnecessary risks knowing what a mess Labour would put the economy in. I'm very worried.
Young voters unfortunately have no idea what a proper socialist government would be like. I don't think our prosperity has come from the EU but more down to not having a proper socialist government in almost 40 years.0 -
Have to say I think the country is going to be a bit baffled by May resigning. We just had an election fronted by various leaders .... yet now immediately after we've got some randomer who didn't even take part in the election coming in as PM?
She might have suffered a bad dent to her credibility, but she is still the public's choice to be PM.0 -
The BBC have bumped the Tories back up to 318 from 316.0
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he's a nutterHYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my viewAlistairM said:Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.0 -
That's work.Sean_F said:
Just to ensure they're kept out, we could amend the Oath to include "maintain and promote the true and reformed Protestant faith; to abjure and condemn the Bishop of Rome, being Antichrist and the man of sin."Andrew said:
"I, [insert post-terrorist name here], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."JosiasJessop said:Earlier on, I did wonder whether Corbyn would get a majority due to Sinn Fein's entering parliament.
Gonna call it unlikely. 0 -
Again, time to take the personal away.JosiasJessop said:
LOSERS:Alanbrooke said:WINNERS
Corbyn
Ruth Davidson
DUP
Michel Barnier
LOSERS
May
Labour party moderates
SNP
Austerity
you.
Its not necessary; and it makes you sound petty.0 -
Scotland has now got 6 seats where the majority is under 2000
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Ruth said she would breakaway from cons and form indie scons if Bojo was leaderHYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my viewAlistairM said:Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.0 -
That's a stonking result for the DUP. 292,000 votes, 36% of the total, and 10 MP's.0
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Theresa May lost. She asked the country to give her the authority to do as she wished and the voters gave her two fingersblueblue said:
The twat is over 60 seats short of a majority, and May won a Thatcheresque 43% of the vote - don't get too excited.Roger said:Suddenly the Tories look reactionary and old fashioned and 67 year old Jeremy looks like the new kid on the block.
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Well quite. It's all a bit weird, and yes Lab made significant advances, but May's Tories were the most chosen. And yet such is life, her authority has been shot.Danny565 said:Have to say I think the country is going to be a bit baffled by May resigning. We just had an election fronted by various leaders .... yet now immediately after we've got some randomer who didn't take part in it coming in as PM?
She might have suffered a bad dent to her credibility, but she is still the public's choice to be PM.
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Many thanks for that Mr Sid - fascinating.El_Sid said:
Stoke seat was split in 1950, but if you count South and then Stoke before it, the only time it has ever gone blue was in 1931 when Oswald Mosley split the Labour vote (his wife had previously held it for Labour but they fell out with Labour and created the New Party - the fascism came later). So a Canterbury kind of result.SimonStClare said:
When was the last time it was not under Labour, 1950s?dr_spyn said:Con gain Stoke on Trent South.
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I wonder why Labour hasn't done very well in Finchley and Hendon?0
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Good morning fellow deplorables!
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Glad to see Lamb back.0 -
I was a big Boris fan but I think he has lost his shine. He won in London last in 2012 and a lot has changed since then. London is lost to him now as a Leaver. I also don't think Scotland would look fairly on him either. It has to be someone who can appeal to all parts of the country and I think Ruth would be it. Shame she can't run.HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my viewAlistairM said:Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.0 -
I'm a Boris fan but he is too Marmite and not taken seriously enough at home or abroad. Sounds odd to say after May, but as proven by her stonking poll ratings *before* the election, someone steady/boring (and yes, strong and stable!) would be popular with the country.HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my viewAlistairM said:Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
Who that is, fcuk knows.0 -
Tory press .AndyJS said:I wonder why Labour hasn't done very well in Finchley and Hendon?
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Tories gain Dumfries and Galloway.0
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Con gain Dumfries- as expected.0
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Dumfries and Galloway - Con Gain
For a second there I thought it was Labour, because the candidate looked so pleased with himself.0 -
How many Con gains in Englandin the end? 4-5?0
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I'm off to bed, catch you all in the morning.
You've been a wonderful audience.0 -
I wonder how much Osborne is regretting his move to newspapers this am.0
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Cheers for keeping an eye on us!TheScreamingEagles said:I'm off to bed, catch you all in the morning.
You've been a wonderful audience.0 -
and who can blame them ?another_richard said:
And if the government is able to spend endless billions on bribing its own supporters and funding its vanity projects it is inevitable that those not included will support a party which offers to bribe them.tlg86 said:
Very true.another_richard said:
Not a surprise Labour was up with all the freebies Corbyn was promising.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think I know where it went wrong.another_richard said:
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.Casino_Royale said:
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.AndyJS said:What's going on in Southampton? No results yet.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
And why would anyone believe the economy would collapse if they voted for Corbyn.
After all the economy didn't collapse when Leave won even though the establishment said it would.
Project Fear is no longer believed.
Osborne orchestrated a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old and now the young have struck back.
And who can blame them ?
crappy uni fees, no chance of a house - if you give people no stake in society why would they vote to maintain it0 -
Care to actually address the points I make? We've had so much sh*t thrown by so-called Conservatives, and now they've lost.Mortimer said:
Again, time to take the personal away.JosiasJessop said:
LOSERS:Alanbrooke said:WINNERS
Corbyn
Ruth Davidson
DUP
Michel Barnier
LOSERS
May
Labour party moderates
SNP
Austerity
you.
Its not necessary; and it makes you sound petty.
I'm the sort of person they should be appealing to. I could be persuaded. Instead we get 'Waaaaah!'.0 -
Can't remember where, but there's definitely one seat with them on 20.1%. Sorry.foxinsoxuk said:Good morning fellow deplorables!
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Glad to see Lamb back.0 -
Not sure I necessarily agree with the rest, but if those are the criteria, it'll be Hammond.KentRising said:
I'm a Boris fan but he is too Marmite and not taken seriously enough at home or abroad. Sounds odd to say after May, but as proven by her stonking poll ratings *before* the election, someone steady/boring (and yes, strong and stable!) would be popular with the country.
Who that is, fcuk knows.
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When was the last time a leader won 44% of the vote and had to resign? Must have been a long time ago, surely?0
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presumably the boundary review will still go ahead?0
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Con down 12 seats.
If win Dumfries & Galloway that makes down 11.
So BBC is forecasting two more other net losses.0 -
Its not about that. Your point was entirely personal to Alan, and entirely unnecessary.JosiasJessop said:
Care to actually address the points I make? We've had so much sh*t thrown by so-called Conservatives, and now they've lost.Mortimer said:
Again, time to take the personal away.JosiasJessop said:
LOSERS:Alanbrooke said:WINNERS
Corbyn
Ruth Davidson
DUP
Michel Barnier
LOSERS
May
Labour party moderates
SNP
Austerity
you.
Its not necessary; and it makes you sound petty.
I'm the sort of person they should be appealing to. I could be persuaded. Instead we get 'Waaaaah!'.
Get some kip mate. You'll feel better for it.0 -
Con gain Dumfries from SNP.0
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Another tory gain in Scotland but that is the last one. We have a hold to come.0
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The Tories ignored 48% that voted remain.
They will ignore 57% that voted against Tory party.
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25 to declare 24 needed for a majority. It's still theoretically possible (but of course at least one is between LD and SNP) 0
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Con hold croydon south0
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Caroline Lucas in trouble?0
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Well done Eagle. Amazing performanceTheScreamingEagles said:I'm off to bed, catch you all in the morning.
You've been a wonderful audience.0 -
That would be niceTravelJunkie said:Caroline Lucas in trouble?
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excellent night for you DavidDavidL said:Another tory gain in Scotland but that is the last one. We have a hold to come.
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Not in the least. He was the bad-cop in a good-cop, bad-cop partnership. He can state his achievements without having responsibility for the future mess.rottenborough said:I wonder how much Osborne is regretting his move to newspapers this am.
And as a newspaper editor, he's got more 'power' than most MPs, yet alone ministers.
for the same reason, you won't see Ed Balls or David Miliband re-entering parliament.0 -
Exactly.Alanbrooke said:
and who can blame them ?another_richard said:
And if the government is able to spend endless billions on bribing its own supporters and funding its vanity projects it is inevitable that those not included will support a party which offers to bribe them.tlg86 said:
Very true.another_richard said:
Not a surprise Labour was up with all the freebies Corbyn was promising.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think I know where it went wrong.another_richard said:
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.Casino_Royale said:
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.AndyJS said:What's going on in Southampton? No results yet.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
And why would anyone believe the economy would collapse if they voted for Corbyn.
After all the economy didn't collapse when Leave won even though the establishment said it would.
Project Fear is no longer believed.
Osborne orchestrated a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old and now the young have struck back.
And who can blame them ?
crappy uni fees, no chance of a house - if you give people no stake in society why would they vote to maintain it
The Conservatives forgot they were the party of aspiration.
We reap what George Osborne sowed.
And Clegg gets to pay the price of his dishonesty and idiocy.0 -
What a silly thing to say - the Tory press was ineffective everywhere else.TravelJunkie said:
Tory press .AndyJS said:I wonder why Labour hasn't done very well in Finchley and Hendon?
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Yeah, she's utter crap, and needs to make way for someone with the political nous not to kick their own supporters in the teeth and then have to perform embarrassing pseudo-U-turns on it.Roger said:
Theresa May lost. She asked the country to give her the authority to do as she wished and the voters gave her two fingersblueblue said:
The twat is over 60 seats short of a majority, and May won a Thatcheresque 43% of the vote - don't get too excited.Roger said:Suddenly the Tories look reactionary and old fashioned and 67 year old Jeremy looks like the new kid on the block.
But Corbyn is still the merest sliver of shite on her shoe by comparison.0 -
Ruth has saved us from PM Corbyn.0
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I'd do a confidence and supply deal with the DUP, to be honest.Sean_F said:That's a stonking result for the DUP. 292,000 votes, 36% of the total, and 10 MP's.
Only 322 MPs is needed now for an effective majority, given SF have 7 MPs.
If its 318 Cons + 10 DUPs I'd rather have a year or two of stable Government with that, with an effective working majority of 12, on budgets and confidence votes.0 -
Eight:kle4 said:How many Con gains in Englandin the end? 4-5?
Clacton
Copeland
Derbyshire NE
Mansfield
Middlesbrough S
Southport
Stoke S
Walsall N0 -
So the blues will end up with 12 MPs in Scotland?
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Can CON just govern on their own? Without SF 322 is a majority. Why not just hold the Queen's speech. Do we really think the LDs will vote it down - I assume they will decide to abstain for either a Con or Lab Queen's Speech - if they do vote it down they will get hammered at the next election, which lets face it will probably be later in the year. I doubt the DUP will vote them down even if there is no agreement with them - they just did well and they will not provoke a UK election if they think Corbyn will win.
Just go it alone?0 -
Some real nastiness from certain PB tories over the past few hours.
Not nice.0 -
Because the party has done well without them, so who cares, simple as.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
And, bear in mind EVFEL will give a larger majority for English domestic issues too.Casino_Royale said:
I'd do a confidence and supply deal with the DUP, to be honest.Sean_F said:That's a stonking result for the DUP. 292,000 votes, 36% of the total, and 10 MP's.
Only 322 MPs is needed now for an effective majority, given SF have 7 MPs.
If its 318 Cons + 10 DUPs I'd rather have a year or two of stable Government with that, with an effective working majority of 12, on budgets and confidence votes.0 -
It might do but it shouldn't. It's another Osborne wheeze based on Conservative underperformance in Scotland and Wales during the 1990s and 2000s. This has since been reversed.kjohnw said:presumably the boundary review will still go ahead?
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Well kinda mixed but as Ruth said Indyref2 is dead. And that was for me the most important thing to come out of this election.Alanbrooke said:
excellent night for you DavidDavidL said:Another tory gain in Scotland but that is the last one. We have a hold to come.
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So, it really did turn into a "couldn't give a fuck" election.
I've just woken up, any big names gone?0 -
May has sacrificed herself for the Union.DavidL said:
Well kinda mixed but as Ruth said Indyref2 is dead. And that was for me the most important thing to come out of this election.Alanbrooke said:
excellent night for you DavidDavidL said:Another tory gain in Scotland but that is the last one. We have a hold to come.
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How long you got.TwistedFireStopper said:So, it really did turn into a "couldn't give a fuck" election.
I've just woken up, any big names gone?0 -
foxinsoxuk said:
Good morning fellow deplorables!
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Glad to see Lamb back.
You lose your bet. Thurrock.foxinsoxuk said:Good morning fellow deplorables!
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Glad to see Lamb back.0 -
LOL.TwistedFireStopper said:
I've just woken up, any big names gone?0 -
Alan has been, and is, utterly against Cameron and Osborne. I reserve the right to act as the ghost of Christmas yet to come and show him what he's reaped.Mortimer said:
Its not about that. Your point was entirely personal to Alan, and entirely unnecessary.JosiasJessop said:
Care to actually address the points I make? We've had so much sh*t thrown by so-called Conservatives, and now they've lost.Mortimer said:
Again, time to take the personal away.JosiasJessop said:
LOSERS:Alanbrooke said:WINNERS
Corbyn
Ruth Davidson
DUP
Michel Barnier
LOSERS
May
Labour party moderates
SNP
Austerity
you.
Its not necessary; and it makes you sound petty.
I'm the sort of person they should be appealing to. I could be persuaded. Instead we get 'Waaaaah!'.
Get some kip mate. You'll feel better for it.
Again, I could have been a Conservative voter. But they lost me.0 -
How does the Salisbury Convention treat manifestos of parties without a majority?0
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Ashfield declaration...
Lab hold by 441.0
