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I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.0 -
Russia: fuck off.
That's all.0 -
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I am told Labour numbers are going up. Bad news for Davey.JohnO said:
Three hours delivering in deepest Tolworth earlier but knocking up (in the best possible taste) tomorrow afternoon.JackW said:
Any more jaunts to SW London?JohnO said:
Implacable.GIN1138 said:
The JohnO Is Not For Turning!JohnO said:
Of course.Tykejohnno said:
Still confident Mr O ?JohnO said:
Application refused.Casino_Royale said:I'd like to reapply for the bedwetters club, please.
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Bill Nighy. He always plays someone who cops off with younger women.kyf_100 said:
I always imagined that SeanT based his persona on Oliver Reed.Scrapheap_as_was said:
is there a message in you choosing the only person alive?JackW said:
Are you making a pitch for PB - The Movie .... using old stars of the silver screen reanimated in CGI - Starring :rcs1000 said:I'm moving to Los Angeles
Yul Bryner as Mike Smithson
Bet Davis as Peter the Punter
Charles Hawtrey as Robert Smithson
Sid James as SeanT
David Niven as JohnO
Sean Connery as JackW0 -
so not the dirtiest campaign ever ?AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.0 -
Was it down to letters from a well known political website owner?Casino_Royale said:0 -
There's a special place in hell reserved for poll rampers.0
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I'd vote for a party who advocated that sort of justice!Scrapheap_as_was said:
If it's someone else and they also post on here - the culprit deserves permanent banishment to conhome and to spend the rest of eternity wearing richard burgon's soiled underwear on their head.TheScreamingEagles said:I've emailed David Herdson to check that it was him that posted that comment because I have my doubts based on the IP address used.
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Yes, but like all left-wingers, once in power his principle driving force will (would) be how to control everything.foxinsoxuk said:
I would agree with that, but it is to a degree why Corbyn apppeals to Lib Dems. He also believes in local accountability. At the heart of his criticisms of anti terrorist and police powers historically is the lack of democratic and judicial accountability. He sees how such excessive powers can become instruments of state oppression.IanB2 said:
Centralisation, control and target-setting versus decentralisation and localism is the principle philosophical difference.kyf_100 said:
Out of interest - and because I know a fair few Blairites but only one Lib Dem, and he only joined last year because of Brexit - could you put a cigarette paper between being a Blairite and a left-leaning Lib Dem right now?nichomar said:
Well I'm actually a left leaning lib dem who could vote for a sensible labour party in the right seat but my two brothers always told me I was middle aged middle class and boring. Whilst it hurts me to admit this most Tories I encountered in local government as with other parties understood the concept of public service even if I disagreed with them. The current labour breed have missed this as I think all that local shit is irrelevant. It's a crying shame to see hard working labour mps vilified by momentum types and not recognizing what they actually achieve for their constituents.kyf_100 said:
feel intimidated by them. I hate to think how much some of the abuse I see online would scare my gran. It really is a stain on politics, and on decent left wing people such as yourself and my activist friends, who've been active in their local Labour party for years.nichomar said:
You don't need to hold right wing views to think Corbyn is crap. I'm left of centre but dare not put my criticism of Corbyn on fb to my family, I told them during both leader elections they were robbing decent needy people of representation and hope but to them a socialist labour party was more important than winning. Oddly enough I don't actually they will have knocked on 20 doors between them and went to music festivals at the weekend.
I have suggested to one or two of the Blairite Labour people I know that they might be happier voting Lib Dem but the tribalism runs deep - in retrospect I should have seen that coming rather than predicting vast swathes of centrist Labour voters would turn Lib Dem at this election.0 -
That would be funCasino_Royale said:0 -
Some people might find the casting a bit biased.JackW said:
Are you making a pitch for PB - The Movie .... using old stars of the silver screen reanimated in CGI - Starring :rcs1000 said:I'm moving to Los Angeles
Yul Bryner as Mike Smithson
Bet Davis as Peter the Punter
Charles Hawtrey as Robert Smithson
Sid James as SeanT
David Niven as JohnO
Sean Connery as JackW0 -
What have they done now?Casino_Royale said:Russia: fuck off.
That's all.0 -
A thought, albeit a depressing one. We know there was an attempt to interfere with the US and French elections via online means, and yet there's been nothing here. Why not? Better security? Obvious result so no point? Or has something been done that we haven't seen yet?0
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Is this a good time to mention that I backed the Lib Dems to win Vauxhall at 10/1Casino_Royale said:0 -
Pro bono publico, no bloody panico.0
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To be honest, there will be a lot of ramping of particular seats tonight to drive up turnout.
That doesn't mean one party is very confident, but it probably means it is *relatively* close.0 -
A tad worrying for our rcs...numbertwelve said:
That would be funCasino_Royale said:0 -
If the national polls are anywhere near accurate and Labour are close in Vauxhall, then I think Farron, Clegg, Mulholland and Lamb are toast.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Masses of LibDem posters (none for James Berry) BUT I don't know whether they are fewer than in 2015.surbiton said:
I am told Labour numbers are going up. Bad news for Davey.JohnO said:
Three hours delivering in deepest Tolworth earlier but knocking up (in the best possible taste) tomorrow afternoon.JackW said:
Any more jaunts to SW London?JohnO said:
Implacable.GIN1138 said:
The JohnO Is Not For Turning!JohnO said:
Of course.Tykejohnno said:
Still confident Mr O ?JohnO said:
Application refused.Casino_Royale said:I'd like to reapply for the bedwetters club, please.
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Ahh St Albans, at every election since the Romans it's been about to fall to the LDs.Casino_Royale said:0 -
And the award for most foreseeable endorsement goes to...Scott_P said:0 -
They play to a group of people that do not care about anything else but winning independence, as such changing their tack every other day doesn't matter to them. That and their readership is somewhere south of 8k.Scott_P said:0 -
Thank Thor for that. It means I can put the rubber pants back away.TheScreamingEagles said:I've emailed David Herdson to check that it was him that posted that comment because I have my doubts based on the IP address used.
Must admit I didn't think the Kremlin would be hacking PB, despite its central important to UK democracy.0 -
I always imagine SeanT to speak like Martin AmisSandyRentool said:
Bill Nighy. He always plays someone who cops off with younger women.kyf_100 said:
I always imagined that SeanT based his persona on Oliver Reed.Scrapheap_as_was said:
is there a message in you choosing the only person alive?JackW said:
Are you making a pitch for PB - The Movie .... using old stars of the silver screen reanimated in CGI - Starring :rcs1000 said:I'm moving to Los Angeles
Yul Bryner as Mike Smithson
Bet Davis as Peter the Punter
Charles Hawtrey as Robert Smithson
Sid James as SeanT
David Niven as JohnO
Sean Connery as JackW0 -
Clive Dunn, not Sid James, surely?glw said:
Some people might find the casting a bit biased.JackW said:
Are you making a pitch for PB - The Movie .... using old stars of the silver screen reanimated in CGI - Starring :rcs1000 said:I'm moving to Los Angeles
Yul Bryner as Mike Smithson
Bet Davis as Peter the Punter
Charles Hawtrey as Robert Smithson
Sid James as SeanT
David Niven as JohnO
Sean Connery as JackW0 -
Let's just say, in a small village in Wilstshire, Sir Anthony Eden is willing her to fail.....Chameleon said:If May emerges on Friday without a majority, just how badly will she go down in the all time rankings of Con leaders?
"At last - somebody worse than me!!"0 -
I recall chatting to a chap many moons ago who spent a day knocking up in Wentworth and environs. Got round about a dozen residences all day but boy did he have a jolly time. Finished up at a cocktail party and then rumpy pumpy with the hostress.JohnO said:
Three hours delivering in deepest Tolworth earlier but knocking up (in the best possible taste) tomorrow afternoon.JackW said:
Any more jaunts to SW London?JohnO said:
Implacable.GIN1138 said:
The JohnO Is Not For Turning!JohnO said:
Of course.Tykejohnno said:
Still confident Mr O ?JohnO said:
Application refused.Casino_Royale said:I'd like to reapply for the bedwetters club, please.
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Best keep them around for possible 1-2 polls showing Lab leads. just in case.RobinWiggs said:
Thank Thor for that. It means I can put the rubber pants back away.TheScreamingEagles said:I've emailed David Herdson to check that it was him that posted that comment because I have my doubts based on the IP address used.
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Feedback in Bosworth has been positive, but not enough to unseat Tredinnick, I fear.rcs1000 said:Candidates I hope lose tomorrow:
Tim Farron
Vince Cable
Zac Goldsmith
David Tredinnick
Claire Louise-Leyland
Dennis Skinner
That eight year old SNP MP lady
Alex Salmond
Caroline Lucas0 -
Tax? I don't remember that bit; did they mean dementia tax, wealth tax, stealth tax....?AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.0 -
POLLING DAAAARTA!Casino_Royale said:0 -
It was Liberal before the Romans turned up.Chameleon said:
Ahh St Albans, at every election since the Romans it's been about to fall to the LDs.Casino_Royale said:0 -
I don't lead. That was what they said. Could've been the garden tax too.TudorRose said:
Tax? I don't remember that bit; did they mean dementia tax, wealth tax, stealth tax....?AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.0 -
Note Corbyn was not mentioned.AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.0 -
Hah just remembered before the Richmond by election the Lib Dems released canvass data showing them ahead.
Oh please let it be true.0 -
Just try the board game that EU cribs many of its ideas from....TheWhiteRabbit said:
They change the rules every time I learn them!!TudorRose said:
Europa Universalis can be heavy but very rewarding and immersive.Chameleon said:
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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It might also be a good time to close out that position.TheScreamingEagles said:
Is this a good time to mention that I backed the Lib Dems to win Vauxhall at 10/1Casino_Royale said:0 -
Kantar's number in the May poll are fascinating.
Would love ot see the changes with the most recent. The May poll had only 23% of 18-24 year olds as definitely voting (and only 47% whole population definitely voting).0 -
Putin wants to move the betting markets and make some money? But he already has £billions.Chameleon said:
Ooh the plot thickens. Or perhaps he is down the pub. Either that or Putin is turning his sights on pb...TheScreamingEagles said:I've emailed David Herdson to check that it was him that posted that comment because I have my doubts based on the IP address used.
BTW can anyone explain why the spreads are currently centred on a turnout of only 62.6%? Earlier today the discussion was on the general theme of a super-high turnout, probably over 65%, thanks to all these new young voters going out to vote.0 -
Note he was.surbiton said:
Note Corbyn was not mentioned.AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.0 -
Are you the real Alastair Meeks?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't lead. That was what they said. Could've been the garden tax too.TudorRose said:
Tax? I don't remember that bit; did they mean dementia tax, wealth tax, stealth tax....?AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.
*prods*0 -
Why am I not sad about a Labour loss ?Casino_Royale said:0 -
We aren't important enough.ab195 said:A thought, albeit a depressing one. We know there was an attempt to interfere with the US and French elections via online means, and yet there's been nothing here. Why not? Better security? Obvious result so no point? Or has something been done that we haven't seen yet?
PS: if the result is obvious, can you share?0 -
Eh? Vauxhall is a 'Labour' defence. I use the inverted commas because it is the odious Kate Hoey who is the Labour MP there. Let's hope she loses.tlg86 said:
If the national polls are anywhere near accurate and Labour are close in Vauxhall, then I think Farron, Clegg, Mulholland and Lamb are toast.Casino_Royale said:0 -
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Joining online polling panels would seem one obvious way in for the Russians.ab195 said:A thought, albeit a depressing one. We know there was an attempt to interfere with the US and French elections via online means, and yet there's been nothing here. Why not? Better security? Obvious result so no point? Or has something been done that we haven't seen yet?
Or supplying the leaked anti-Corbyn material (since Russia would want the Tories to win to deliver Brexit -- breaking up Europe is the prize).0 -
The Conservatives will stay in power, probably with an increased majority, although there's a small possibility of a minority government. The next parliament will be dominated by Brexit, which we don't have any control over after triggering Article 50. It will be a huge mess. No-one has a clue what they are doing. Mrs May called this election, in part, on a policy of not having a policy for Brexit. She didn't get her non-policy policy mandate. Expect lots of arguements unless her majority is massive.0
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Mulholland, yes, but the other 3 will be fine.tlg86 said:
If the national polls are anywhere near accurate and Labour are close in Vauxhall, then I think Farron, Clegg, Mulholland and Lamb are toast.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Voters say Britain needs new centre-ground partyScott_P said:hps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/872552285481709568
Where do they say that? It's a return to 2 party politics, if the result is as the Indy says, then we don't need a new party, and someone believes the result is bad, we need the one we have to do better.0 -
Actually, I'm casting for Pamela Anderson's role.MTimT said:
Congratulations! Taking over from the Rock for Baywatch 2?rcs1000 said:
I'm moving to Los AngelesMTimT said:what's happening in 6 weeks? A big move?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!rcs1000 said:
I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.Charles said:
I can help you solve that problem ...rcs1000 said:Serious question for tomorrow:
What's everyone drinking?
I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.
* I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.0 -
I can't believe they still waste their time on a digital front page when their website is a pile of shit.Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/872552285481709568
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Quite right.Sean_F said:There's a special place in hell reserved for poll rampers.
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It's not yet in the bag but so long as young people don't take their own pen, it's covered off.Ishmael_Z said:
We aren't important enough.ab195 said:A thought, albeit a depressing one. We know there was an attempt to interfere with the US and French elections via online means, and yet there's been nothing here. Why not? Better security? Obvious result so no point? Or has something been done that we haven't seen yet?
PS: if the result is obvious, can you share?0 -
Left or right?rcs1000 said:
Actually, I'm casting for Pamela Anderson's role.MTimT said:
Congratulations! Taking over from the Rock for Baywatch 2?rcs1000 said:
I'm moving to Los AngelesMTimT said:what's happening in 6 weeks? A big move?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!rcs1000 said:
I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.Charles said:
I can help you solve that problem ...rcs1000 said:Serious question for tomorrow:
What's everyone drinking?
I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.
* I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.0 -
Final 2015 polls compared to now
Kantar TNS
2015
Tory 34
Lab 33
LD 7
UKIP 15
2017
Tory 43
Lab 38
LD 7
UKIP 14
Opinium
2015
Tory 35
Lab 34
LD 8
UKIP 12
2017
Tory 43
Lab 36
LD 8
UKIP 5
Comres
2015
Tory 35
Labour 34
LD 9
UKIP 12
2017
Tory 44
Lab 34
LD 9
UKIP 5
ICM
2015
Tory 34
Lab 35
LD 9
UKIP 11
2017
Tory 46
Lab 34
LD 7
UKIP 5
So every pollster showing a swing to the Tories since 2015 based on their final polls then and now, especially ICM and Comres
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I was confused too, but I think the point was if LDs are up massively in Vauxhall but the national polls are right they are making no progress, then it is likely the LDs are doing well in London but poorly elsewhere, meaning other LDs are under threat?Bobajob_PB said:
Eh? Vauxhall is a 'Labour' defence. I use the inverted commas because it is the odious Kate Hoey who is the Labour MP there. Let's hope she loses.tlg86 said:
If the national polls are anywhere near accurate and Labour are close in Vauxhall, then I think Farron, Clegg, Mulholland and Lamb are toast.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Ladbrokes again are best priced 5-6 joint favourire the 2 in Hove.Some confidence this will stay red.Peter Kyle is a no-brainer in a Corbyn government.0
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GCHQ boasts of being able to manipulate online polls, but I assume they mean defeating the basic checks that some voodoo polls use (rate limiting, IP checks and so on), not filling panels with puppets. I wouldn't say it is impossible unless a pollster has some thorough verification, not that I think that's happening here.DecrepitJohnL said:Joining online polling panels would seem one obvious way in for the Russians.
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Sorry, I mean if the Lib Dems are close (i.e. if they are picking up a lot of votes here, they are losing them elsewhere to stay standing still).Bobajob_PB said:
Eh? Vauxhall is a 'Labour' defence. I use the inverted commas because it is the odious Kate Hoey who is the Labour MP there. Let's hope she loses.tlg86 said:
If the national polls are anywhere near accurate and Labour are close in Vauxhall, then I think Farron, Clegg, Mulholland and Lamb are toast.Casino_Royale said:0 -
@martinboon: Hearing Kaboom 2 might be misfeed. Don't know, we'll soon find out.
just blown up in his face?0 -
I managed to get a second hand copy; so many cardboard chits!! I gave up in the end and went back to the computer version.matt said:
Just try the board game that EU cribs many of its ideas from....TheWhiteRabbit said:
They change the rules every time I learn them!!TudorRose said:
Europa Universalis can be heavy but very rewarding and immersive.Chameleon said:
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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If the polls that show a labour lead are not out soon they will miss the paper reviews and will not be reported in the media tomorrow0
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I'd be satisfied with one kaboom to be honest.Scott_P said:@martinboon: Hearing Kaboom 2 might be misfeed. Don't know, we'll soon find out.
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Elm Park! Used to love going there on my bike as a kid. Most famous for the tube station piping classical music through the speakers to calm the nerves, and the BNP meetings in the old pub. No mention of Ukip winning, alas for my 33/1 bet
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Ok, now he really is just trolling.Casino_Royale said:0 -
If voters want a centre ground party they are sure as hell going about showing it the wrong way it seems.kle4 said:
Voters say Britain needs new centre-ground partyScott_P said:hps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/872552285481709568
Where do they say that? It's a return to 2 party politics, if the result is as the Indy says, then we don't need a new party, and someone believes the result is bad, we need the one we have to do better.0 -
I think Ian's point is the correct one. If the LDs are up where it matters, it could be under the radar in a national poll but they could outperform on seats. If we have a return to tactical voting, all bets are off.kle4 said:
I was confused too, but I think the point was if LDs are up massively in Vauxhall but the national polls are right they are making no progress, then it is likely the LDs are doing well in London but poorly elsewhere, meaning other LDs are under threat?Bobajob_PB said:
Eh? Vauxhall is a 'Labour' defence. I use the inverted commas because it is the odious Kate Hoey who is the Labour MP there. Let's hope she loses.tlg86 said:
If the national polls are anywhere near accurate and Labour are close in Vauxhall, then I think Farron, Clegg, Mulholland and Lamb are toast.Casino_Royale said:0 -
Sums, not his personality or leadership.AlastairMeeks said:
Note he was.surbiton said:
Note Corbyn was not mentioned.AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.0 -
Which bits ?!?rcs1000 said:
Actually, I'm casting for Pamela Anderson's role.MTimT said:
Congratulations! Taking over from the Rock for Baywatch 2?rcs1000 said:
I'm moving to Los AngelesMTimT said:what's happening in 6 weeks? A big move?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!rcs1000 said:
I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.Charles said:
I can help you solve that problem ...rcs1000 said:Serious question for tomorrow:
What's everyone drinking?
I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.
* I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.0 -
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Bedwetting cancelled!Casino_Royale said:0 -
Disappointing from the currant bun.Scott_P said:twitter.com/carrie_symonds1/status/872553343486488577
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what was kaboom 1Casino_Royale said:0 -
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No mention of Brexit however.AlastairMeeks said:I ran a social experiment tonight. I asked two voters who said they weren't very interested in politics what they recalled of the campaign. They named the following seven items:
Care
Diane Abbott (this drew particularly strong responses)
Police cuts
Theresa May's u turn
Jeremy Corbyn's sums not adding up
The terrorist attacks
Tax
I thought that was an excellent summary of the election.
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Yes, HOI. I never got past HOI III. The military side was fascinating, but the dumbed-down eonomics seemed a real pity. How does HOI IV change it?bardigiani said:
Hearts of Iron IV is a serious time thiefIanB2 said:
Is that hearts of iron? The various versions struggle to get the right balance between complexity/micro-management and over-simplification.NickPalmer said:
Agreed. I used to play their WW2 games a lot too, before I got a bit too busy. The economics were rubbish but the politics were delightfully detailed - you could simulate what would have appened if the USA went Communit with President Gus Hall, or Britain went pro-Nazi, or other unlikely alternate histories.IanB2 said:
+1 for Paradox. Although City Skylines would appeal to the aspirant mayors in here.Chameleon said:
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Surely it's just another version of the "It's a two-horse race, X can't win here" ploy.TheScreamingEagles said:Hah just remembered before the Richmond by election the Lib Dems released canvass data showing them ahead.
Oh please let it be true.
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My home village Fallin - was location of Polmaise pit !
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https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/872553155753648133
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Scott_P said:
@martinboon: Hearing Kaboom 2 might be misfeed. Don't know, we'll soon find out.
just blown up in his face?
I'm unconvinced by this whole "CEO of serious data and analysis business moonlights as Court Jester" thing.Scott_P said:@martinboon: Hearing Kaboom 2 might be misfeed. Don't know, we'll soon find out.
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Both of them.JackW said:
Which bits ?!?rcs1000 said:
Actually, I'm casting for Pamela Anderson's role.MTimT said:
Congratulations! Taking over from the Rock for Baywatch 2?rcs1000 said:
I'm moving to Los AngelesMTimT said:what's happening in 6 weeks? A big move?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!rcs1000 said:
I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.Charles said:
I can help you solve that problem ...rcs1000 said:Serious question for tomorrow:
What's everyone drinking?
I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.
* I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.0 -
You simply cannot believe these Lib Dem barcharts.surbiton said:
Why am I not sad about a Labour loss ?Casino_Royale said:0 -
Empires at arms? Read the rulebook and look forward to a brilliant game...but unplayable in practice.TudorRose said:
I managed to get a second hand copy; so many cardboard chits!! I gave up in the end and went back to the computer version.matt said:
Just try the board game that EU cribs many of its ideas from....TheWhiteRabbit said:
They change the rules every time I learn them!!TudorRose said:
Europa Universalis can be heavy but very rewarding and immersive.Chameleon said:
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Exactly.numbertwelve said:0 -
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Going for the 'he's clueless' approach rather than 'he's a terrorist(apologist)' approach I see (yes they mention it, but it's one of many points, and the image is about him being a fool, not dangerous).Scott_P said:hps://twitter.com/carrie_symonds1/status/872553343486488577
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Ruskies have hacked Boon and Herdson?Fleet_of_Worlds said:Scott_P said:@martinboon: Hearing Kaboom 2 might be misfeed. Don't know, we'll soon find out.
just blown up in his face?
I'm unconvinced by this whole "CEO of serious data and analysis business moonlights as Court Jester" thing.Scott_P said:@martinboon: Hearing Kaboom 2 might be misfeed. Don't know, we'll soon find out.
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Indeed! It reminds me of the Greens talking about being the voice of the people, such a disconnect.glw said:
If voters want a centre ground party they are sure as hell going about showing it the wrong way it seems.kle4 said:
Voters say Britain needs new centre-ground partyScott_P said:hps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/872552285481709568
Where do they say that? It's a return to 2 party politics, if the result is as the Indy says, then we don't need a new party, and someone believes the result is bad, we need the one we have to do better.0 -
There are special circumstances in Vauxhall. It's a deep red, ultra liberal, highly europhile, central London seat. Hoey is a socially conservative arch Labour Leaver who fraternised with Farage. It is has possibly the most incongruous MP of any seat in the whole country.tlg86 said:
Sorry, I mean if the Lib Dems are close (i.e. if they are picking up a lot of votes here, they are losing them elsewhere to stay standing still).Bobajob_PB said:
Eh? Vauxhall is a 'Labour' defence. I use the inverted commas because it is the odious Kate Hoey who is the Labour MP there. Let's hope she loses.tlg86 said:
If the national polls are anywhere near accurate and Labour are close in Vauxhall, then I think Farron, Clegg, Mulholland and Lamb are toast.Casino_Royale said:0 -
I could do without any kabooms, personallyChameleon said:
I'd be satisfied with one kaboom to be honest.Scott_P said:@martinboon: Hearing Kaboom 2 might be misfeed. Don't know, we'll soon find out.
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kle4 said:
Ok, now he really is just trolling.Casino_Royale said:
Boon needs Kabooning.0 -
Of course I'll still post!PeterC said:
Is that a long-term move? Will you still be on PB?rcs1000 said:
I'm moving to Los AngelesMTimT said:what's happening in 6 weeks? A big move?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!rcs1000 said:
I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.Charles said:
I can help you solve that problem ...rcs1000 said:Serious question for tomorrow:
What's everyone drinking?
I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.
* I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.
I don't know if it's long-term. I'm thinking of it as a two year project. But you never know. Maybe I'll end up staying.0 -
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Riddle me this:
If Kaboom 1 Was YouGov showing a bigger Con Lead (still on) and Kaboom 2 was Survation showing a small Lab Lead (now cancelled) what does it mean for PB Bedwetters?
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I still don't know what Kaboom 1 was.kle4 said:
Ok, now he really is just trolling.Casino_Royale said:0 -
I understood it simplified a lot of the micro-management from III but spoiled the depth of the game in the process. So I didn't buy it. Maybe I should reconsider?NickPalmer said:
Yes, HOI. I never got past HOI III. The military side was fascinating, but the dumbed-down eonomics seemed a real pity. How does HOI IV change it?bardigiani said:
Hearts of Iron IV is a serious time thiefIanB2 said:
Is that hearts of iron? The various versions struggle to get the right balance between complexity/micro-management and over-simplification.NickPalmer said:
Agreed. I used to play their WW2 games a lot too, before I got a bit too busy. The economics were rubbish but the politics were delightfully detailed - you could simulate what would have appened if the USA went Communit with President Gus Hall, or Britain went pro-Nazi, or other unlikely alternate histories.IanB2 said:
+1 for Paradox. Although City Skylines would appeal to the aspirant mayors in here.Chameleon said:
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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