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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320
    Btw, it's raining at Edgbaston.

    Thought people might like to know that.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    I've just had a really nice steak with fries and a pepper sauce followed by a creme brûlée washed down with 3 tasty German beers. Not up to SeanT standards but very enjoyable. Struggling to stay awake now :grin:
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,632
    All this talk of drink has prompted me to pour the last dram from a bottle of Glenlivet 15 yo Frnech Oak Reserve. I've just realised that it has taken me 10 years to drink the bottle.
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    What time's the next poll due ?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.

    I better vote Tory in Woking tomorrow, hadn't I? :|
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    Chapel Down champagne.
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    nrs3079nrs3079 Posts: 14
    tlg86 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    I don't drink but my dad is opening a bottle of Port to have with some cheese and biscuits.
    G&T - A bottle of Bombay, 2 bottles of tonic and a big bag of ice and lemons all ready. It's going to be a long night!
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Cheltenham is a bit 'Remainy', and there's a bit of a Labour vote to squeeze, but it's a bit unlikely that Conservatives would lose it.
    IMHO , Cheltenham is the most likely LD gain in the South West followed in order by North Cornwall , Bath , St Ives and Thornbury .
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Yes. The intell from Andy Cooke, JackW, May's visits and a few tweets this evening have given me pause.
    So the PB consensus is going to be wrong again?

    We've had weeks of people recommending LD 0-10 seats etc.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320

    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.

    Used to be yellow, of course, and the sitting MP is no great shakes. Remainy too.

    Seen sillier bets.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    Fat_Steve said:

    Every election has it's weird anomalies and this is weirder than most. I'm wondering which constituency will throw up the most wildly improbable-seeming Corbynite gain.
    Perhaps there's somewhere that superficially​ looks Tory but isn't. Demographic breakdowns might be helpful.

    Oxfordshire was the only county in which the Tories made no net gains in the May elections (and still don't have a majority in), and went remain by a decent majority, so would be my starting point for the shires, but of course everywhere has stonking huge majorities, so I reckon that you'd be looking at a central London seat.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    What time's the next poll due ?

    you need your hit??
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    Red wine. I've a packet of Krackawheat and a lump of brie ready too.
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    What time's the next poll due ?

    you need your hit??
    Need lots of hits tonight.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    timmo said:

    kle4 said:

    Net gains would be a terrific result after their campaign. Or the Tories and Labour are having a much worse time than it seems.
    They are going to lose C&W though....so it is just a swap really
    Timmo your earlier post sounded like a Tom Brake Hold !

    Please clarify.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    I've just had a £5 on Solihull at 22/1 with PP.

    If Theresa May and Farron are visiting it the day before the election, then it isn't 22/1.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    coffee, water and some cheap red bull clone for me.
    Your shits will be like rusty drain water on Friday!!!
    Oh dear. I shall spend the day alone for the sake of my fellow man.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Cheltenham is a bit 'Remainy', and there's a bit of a Labour vote to squeeze, but it's a bit unlikely that Conservatives would lose it.
    IMHO , Cheltenham is the most likely LD gain in the South West followed in order by North Cornwall , Bath , St Ives and Thornbury .
    Well the Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain, so if the LDs got their message across there, they would be in with a squeak - but I wouldn't put it stronger than that.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2017
    https://order-order.com/2017/06/07/lone-beast-sighted-bolsover

    Made me chuckle...Ed found his way to greggs for the second time in his life.

    I wonder why labour no supporting a proppa socialist in Denis? Where are all the hoards of moamentumers?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    timmo said:

    kle4 said:

    Net gains would be a terrific result after their campaign. Or the Tories and Labour are having a much worse time than it seems.
    They are going to lose C&W though....so it is just a swap really
    Please don't muck about.

    This is a betting site.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited June 2017

    I've just had a £5 on Solihull at 22/1 with PP.

    If Theresa May and Farron are visiting it the day before the election, then it isn't 22/1.

    I'm afraid I think you've thrown that fiver away.

    It's a con safe seat now.

    If i'm wrong, i'll purchase a hat and eat it.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    I can help you solve that problem ...
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    rcs1000 said:

    What's going in Richmond ? If Twickenham's going to the LDs way, you'd think Richmond would be as well.

    Originally thought Zack would be back here.

    The problem is that Zac is a complete cock, who threw his seat away for no reason, stood as an Independent, and then came crawling back.

    I have no love for Sarah Olney. But I simply couldn't vote for Zac.
    Interesting. A friend in the locality says there's many more zac posters than a few months ago, but also that the LD's are holding up, and as usual much better at the ground campaign.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Yes. The intell from Andy Cooke, JackW, May's visits and a few tweets this evening have given me pause.
    So the PB consensus is going to be wrong again?

    We've had weeks of people recommending LD 0-10 seats etc.
    It was a late wipe-out last time; perhaps a late wipe-up (a little bit) this time?

    Plenty of yellow Tories will hate Corbyn but, knowing May is probably ok, and worried about her ECHR/terrorism/Brexit chat, may (*may*) be voting yellow even though they all know Tim Farron is a prize prat.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315

    What time's the next poll due ?

    you need your hit??
    Need lots of hits tonight.
    Com res poll detail is very interesting and is why May should win tomorrow with 62% worried about how labour would pay for their policies and 55% worried about Corbyn being able to negotiate Brexit and keep us safe
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    Fat_Steve said:

    Every election has it's weird anomalies and this is weirder than most. I'm wondering which constituency will throw up the most wildly improbable-seeming Corbynite gain.
    Perhaps there's somewhere that superficially​ looks Tory but isn't. Demographic breakdowns might be helpful.

    Canterbury. Electorate has increased since December by 10%, seventh biggest increase in the country, and YouGov have it leaning Labour.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.

    Used to be yellow, of course, and the sitting MP is no great shakes. Remainy too.

    Seen sillier bets.
    I've had four on lib dem wins wells, eastlieigh, Cheltenham and OWWaB. Was wondering about east deven but no knowledge on the ind chances.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    https://order-order.com/2017/06/07/lone-beast-sighted-bolsover

    Made me chuckle...Ed found his way to greggs for the second time in his life.

    I wonder why labour no supporting a proppa socialist in Denis? Where are all the hoards of moamentumers?

    One or both of the below:
    a) They've spent too long looking at their Facebook/Twitter/Tumblr, think Labour is going to win and Bolsover is in the bag anyway
    b) Won't help him because he supported Leave
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    I can help you solve that problem ...
    I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Completely OT. I just read that a Millwall supporter took on the terrorists. Obviously saw a fight that was too good to miss. By his own account and by the size of him I'm sure he gave as good as he got. The police arrived within 8 minutes of the first call and shot the suspects dead. Surely if 'Millwall' was stuck in by that time why didn't he witness the shooting?

    In fact why has no one appeared on TV to say they witnessed the shooting?
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Boon is a tease, isn't he.
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    kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Cheltenham is a bit 'Remainy', and there's a bit of a Labour vote to squeeze, but it's a bit unlikely that Conservatives would lose it.
    IMHO , Cheltenham is the most likely LD gain in the South West followed in order by North Cornwall , Bath , St Ives and Thornbury .
    Well the Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain, so if the LDs got their message across there, they would be in with a squeak - but I wouldn't put it stronger than that.
    If you mean Cotswold constituency Geoffrey Clifton tufton bufton has it for life - apart from my old boss and various middle aged middle class hippies who vot LD in Cirencester it's both leave and tory
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,963
    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    20 year old Somerset Cider Brandy. Its like calvados but way smoother.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    AndyJS said:

    I don't think it will be a huge surprise if Tories do crap in London.

    Although as I said before there's only one seat they can lose to Labour — Croydon Central — unless they do really badly and the Barnet constituencies come into play.
    Agree. Realistically, there are more Labour seats in London currently vulnerable to the Tories than there are Tory seats vulnerable to Labour and the Lib Dems combined.

    Even a further swing to Labour in inner London doesn't necessarily imply that the Conservatives can't nick one or two ultra-tight marginals there, and make net progress in the outer boroughs as well. As well as several largely Ukip-free inner London seats, Ilford North, Enfield North, Eltham and Dagenham & Rainham (as well as LD-held Carshalton & Wallington) all look at least potentially vulnerable.

    The overall net swing in terms of London seats could be from Lab to Con, even whilst the overall net swing in terms of London vote share is from Con to Lab. Labour's voter distribution becoming more and more inefficient...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    I can help you solve that problem ...
    I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.
    Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    Pong said:

    I've just had a £5 on Solihull at 22/1 with PP.

    If Theresa May and Farron are visiting it the day before the election, then it isn't 22/1.

    I'm afraid I think you've thrown that fiver away.

    It's a con safe seat now.

    If i'm wrong, i'll purchase a hat and eat it.
    It's a good value loser.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Fat_Steve said:

    Every election has it's weird anomalies and this is weirder than most. I'm wondering which constituency will throw up the most wildly improbable-seeming Corbynite gain.
    Perhaps there's somewhere that superficially​ looks Tory but isn't. Demographic breakdowns might be helpful.

    Canterbury. Electorate has increased since December by 10%, seventh biggest increase in the country, and YouGov have it leaning Labour.
    There's no UKIP candidate. We'll be fine.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Thanks to Buzzfeed we all now know where the Tories magic money tree from the hedge funds is going-on "dark",sublminal ads on Facebook because they think they have found a loophole in the regs.The Tories must declare these dark arts on election expenditure.It looks like gerry-mandering to me as does Plymouth Sutton and Devonport losing their postal votes in a key marginal.If the Tories cannot win they will cheat,as bad as diving in the penalty area.

    I hope all the rubbish that has come through my door from the Labour party is all above board. Letters from people pretending to be doctors and the like. It has all gone in the bin, must of cost them a huge amount of cash and the seat I live within is around about Tory target 100 off Labour and it is likely it voted remain. I am not going on to describe it any further or name it but I was surprised to see the Tories leafleting it today. Labour might get a very low number of seats given this backdrop. Labour are in retreat!
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320
    isam said:
    It's a stone's throw from where I live. OK, I'm on the case. Wanstead High St always very busy that time in the morning, so plenty of people will have seen it.

    Btw, I came through there lunchtime today, and no sign of anything.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2017
    In America it suddenly looks like repeal of Obamacare is going to occur.

    Mitch McConnel has involved rule 14 and put it on for fast track consideration. This could be all done by July.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Blue_rog said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    As normal, when I'm drinking, a bottle of New Zealand Marlborough Bay Sauvignon Blanc

    Edit - As soon as I get back from Germany ~ 10 pm
    I might try and get hold of a bottle for tomorrow night.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    edited June 2017
    What result would make you happiest to see tomorrow night? It's a close one for me between Vince not winning, Skinner getting turfed out, or David Trennidick somehow losing his seat, oh and of course Zac getting the thumbs down. Alex Salmond losing would also be nice.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Pleasing defeats if they happened tomorrow:

    Tory
    - IDS
    - Mad Nad
    - Zac
    - Afriyie

    Lab
    - Burgon
    - Cat Smith
    - Dromey
    - Miliband
    - Skinner


    Lib Dem
    - Vince
    - Cleggy (££££££££££££ but to Tory so hmm)
    - Huppert (pleased if he wins)

    SNP
    - Robertson
    - Eck
    - whoever I've got bets on the borders with for the Tories
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315
    nichomar said:

    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.

    Used to be yellow, of course, and the sitting MP is no great shakes. Remainy too.

    Seen sillier bets.
    I've had four on lib dem wins wells, eastlieigh, Cheltenham and OWWaB. Was wondering about east deven but no knowledge on the ind chances.
    Interesting that Lady Gow has written to Eastleigh constituents reminding them how her husband Ian Gow was assassinated by the IRA and urging voters to back Theresa May
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Not sure if anyone's posted this yet:

    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/872526048008777730

    ComRes also sticking to their guns, lining up with ICM in the big Tory win column.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    What result would make you happiest to see tomorrow night? It's a close one for me between Vince not winning, Skinner getting turfed out, or David Trennidick somehow losing his seat, oh and of course Zac getting the thumbs down. Alex Salmond losing would also be nice.

    Skinner. No-one exemplifies lazy complacent take-your-seat-for-granted Labour more than him.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320
    kingbongo said:

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Cheltenham is a bit 'Remainy', and there's a bit of a Labour vote to squeeze, but it's a bit unlikely that Conservatives would lose it.
    IMHO , Cheltenham is the most likely LD gain in the South West followed in order by North Cornwall , Bath , St Ives and Thornbury .
    Well the Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain, so if the LDs got their message across there, they would be in with a squeak - but I wouldn't put it stronger than that.
    If you mean Cotswold constituency Geoffrey Clifton tufton bufton has it for life - apart from my old boss and various middle aged middle class hippies who vot LD in Cirencester it's both leave and tory
    No I think Referendum constituencies were different to the GE and without looking it up I can't tell you exactly what 'Cotswolds' covered, but I do remember seeing it in the Remain column amongst the results. It surprised me it was classed as an area, and also the result was perhaps a little surprising.

    Maybe the sheep had votes.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Still think that the 20% of people who said that they are considering voting tactically could be massively important to the outcome of the election. There is no clear idea where the might help one party more than another (Except against the SNP) but I think that this could lead to quite few unexpected holds and gains of seats.
    Since this puts a fair bit of doubt in the figures I would the final outcome being quite different to what the models and UNS predict.
    Currently I am thinking we could see a result something like this:

    CON 44% 357 SEATS
    LAB 35% 216 SEATS
    LD 10% 13 SEATS
    UKIP 3% 0 SEATS
    GRN 2% 1 SEAT
    SNP/PC 5% 43/2 SEATS
    OTH 1% 0 SEATS
    NI 18 SEATS

    Majority of 64

    Tactical voting in E&W more anti Tory than Anti Corbyn but off set by Tory gains in Midlands and the North
    LD on 13 is basically treading water in E&W and gaining 4 in Scotland.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,077

    I've just had a £5 on Solihull at 22/1 with PP.

    If Theresa May and Farron are visiting it the day before the election, then it isn't 22/1.

    If Solihull is in play then perhaps the Lib Dems could surprise us in a lot of other former Tory/LD marginals. If it's a bad night for the Tories it could be the difference between a majority and falling short.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Pulpstar said:

    Shit just got real. Sunni Shia war incoming
    Could not happen to nicer people.

    Iran to win hands down.. or cut off.
    can't they both lose
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    spudgfsh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    I've got a bottle of English Whisky I'm planning on getting through.
    Have you ever tried Breton whisky? I'm no connoisseur but my Scottish pals reckon it passes muster.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    'Tis unbelievable, after republican moderates killed ahca 1.0 they negotiated a worse version and voted it through. And now it will happen.

    Midterms could be an utter blood bath.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394

    I've just had a £5 on Solihull at 22/1 with PP.

    If Theresa May and Farron are visiting it the day before the election, then it isn't 22/1.

    If Solihull is in play then perhaps the Lib Dems could surprise us in a lot of other former Tory/LD marginals. If it's a bad night for the Tories it could be the difference between a majority and falling short.
    If that's the sort of game in play tomorrow, then I'd expect a dozen or so LD gains from the Tories, perhaps, but also further gains by the Tories from Labour.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,956

    kyf_100 said:



    You genuinely feel like if you are voting Conservative it's best to keep your head down and not attract attention, which is why I think the shy Tory vote might be even larger this time round than it was in 2015.

    It really does feel like if you are under 35 (I'm on the cusp) then you can forget about expressing Conservative views either on social media or in person, unless you're already pretty sure you're in safe company.

    Is the widening gap between the parties and the age divide making politics more partisan, do you think? I wouldn't really want friends who are abusive to anyone on social media, and I don't know anyone who is (apart from SeanT, of course, and we don't take him too seriously). But I come from a background which put tolerance above political belief - my Tory parents were relaxed about my Communist views and would pick up the Daily Worker for me; in turn I never hassled them and urged my dad to vote agains me to be true to his beliefs when I first stood for Parliament.

    It seems odd that with less party identification than ever there should be more vituperation. But is it really worse than usual?
    It's a difficult question to answer. I've always been a bit of a political junkie but the idea of people my own age or younger being interested in politics feels very very new. I think social media has politicised the very young in a way they never were.

    It's sort of like being a hardcore fan of some obscure, nerdy sport that, between 2015 and now, miraculously became as popular as football.

    Now you have a lot of very loud, very obnoxious people who are more interested in chanting rude songs about the other side than they are in debating the finer points of the game. The Corbynites in my feed are basically like football hooligans - loud, intimidating and they make you afraid of wearing your own team's colours.

    For what it's worth, while I'm pretty sure the 18 - 24s break pretty heavily for Corbyn, I think 25 - 35 is far more even. It's just most people with right wing views stay pretty quiet about it.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,963
    Prediction time. Based on the age old proven principle of picking numbers at random from my subconscious - which clearly knows a lot more than it is telling my consciousness.

    "What do you get if you multiply eight by..."

    Oh sorry, wrong reference.

    So.

    Conservatives 392 (Inc Spkr)
    Labour 187
    Lib Dems 5
    SNP 43
    NI 18
    PC 4
    Grn 1

    Majority 134... I think.
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    Pong said:

    I've just had a £5 on Solihull at 22/1 with PP.

    If Theresa May and Farron are visiting it the day before the election, then it isn't 22/1.

    I'm afraid I think you've thrown that fiver away.

    It's a con safe seat now.

    If i'm wrong, i'll purchase a hat and eat it.
    Would that hat be real, marzipan or like Paddy's virtual ?
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Chameleon said:

    What result would make you happiest to see tomorrow night? It's a close one for me between Vince not winning, Skinner getting turfed out, or David Trennidick somehow losing his seat, oh and of course Zac getting the thumbs down. Alex Salmond losing would also be nice.

    Perhaps someone like Chris Bryant being defeated (Unlikely to happen) but you would never guess he was formally a vicar! I remember how odious he was in an interview with Kay Burley once - I was shocked! It is a few years ago, so maybe he has mellowed. I think all parties have a king cnut in them!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    I can help you solve that problem ...
    I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.
    Isn't there a PBer of you acquaint down Bedford way who is partial to a drop of the red vino collapso ?
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,312
    TudorRose said:

    spudgfsh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Serious question for tomorrow:

    What's everyone drinking?

    I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.

    * I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.

    I've got a bottle of English Whisky I'm planning on getting through.
    Have you ever tried Breton whisky? I'm no connoisseur but my Scottish pals reckon it passes muster.
    I haven't. I'll see if I can procure a bottle.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: Final Panelbase GB-wide election poll, sample size 3,018.

    CON 44 (NC)
    LAB 36 (NC)
    LD 7 (NC)
    UKIP 5 (NC)
    GRN 2 (-1)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Cheltenham is a bit 'Remainy', and there's a bit of a Labour vote to squeeze, but it's a bit unlikely that Conservatives would lose it.
    IMHO , Cheltenham is the most likely LD gain in the South West followed in order by North Cornwall , Bath , St Ives and Thornbury .
    It's not mentioned on here, but St Ives could be a shock LD gain. It's very different from the rest of Cornwall.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662

    MikeL said:

    May was in Cheltenham yesterday and now Solihull today.

    Might that suggest Con under threat of several losses to LDs - given there are many, many easier targets.

    Cheltenham is a bit 'Remainy', and there's a bit of a Labour vote to squeeze, but it's a bit unlikely that Conservatives would lose it.
    IMHO , Cheltenham is the most likely LD gain in the South West followed in order by North Cornwall , Bath , St Ives and Thornbury .
    Well the Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain, so if the LDs got their message across there, they would be in with a squeak - but I wouldn't put it stronger than that.
    There's a big tradition of tactical voting there, and I'd have thought the GCHQ types would not be attracted to Corbyn.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    People voting in spite of May and Farron, and spitefully against Corbyn.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: Final Panelbase GB-wide election poll, sample size 3,018.

    CON 44 (NC)
    LAB 36 (NC)
    LD 7 (NC)
    UKIP 5 (NC)
    GRN 2 (-1)

    8 point lead is playing it safe in the land of polling.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    edited June 2017
    Roger said:

    Completely OT. I just read that a Millwall supporter took on the terrorists. Obviously saw a fight that was too good to miss. By his own account and by the size of him I'm sure he gave as good as he got. The police arrived within 8 minutes of the first call and shot the suspects dead. Surely if 'Millwall' was stuck in by that time why didn't he witness the shooting?

    In fact why has no one appeared on TV to say they witnessed the shooting?

    Probably all a false flag to help the Tories win the election
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 3s3 seconds ago
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    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 44% (-)
    LAB: 36% (-)
    LDEM: 7% (-)
    UKIP: 5% (-)
    GRN: 2% (-1)

    (via @PanelbaseMD / 02 - 07 Jun
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,077

    Not sure if anyone's posted this yet:

    ComRes also sticking to their guns, lining up with ICM in the big Tory win column.

    However they seem to be picking up some non-MOE splintering of the Tory vote to 'none of the above'. Could be crucial if they're wrong on the turnout weightings.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 3s3 seconds ago
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    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 44% (-)
    LAB: 36% (-)
    LDEM: 7% (-)
    UKIP: 5% (-)
    GRN: 2% (-1)

    (via @PanelbaseMD / 02 - 07 Jun

    Wouldn't it be great if the Lib Dems couldn't outpoll UKIP when the Kippers aren't even bothering in a third of the seats?
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,307

    nichomar said:

    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.

    Used to be yellow, of course, and the sitting MP is no great shakes. Remainy too.

    Seen sillier bets.
    I've had four on lib dem wins wells, eastlieigh, Cheltenham and OWWaB. Was wondering about east deven but no knowledge on the ind chances.
    Interesting that Lady Gow has written to Eastleigh constituents reminding them how her husband Ian Gow was assassinated by the IRA and urging voters to back Theresa May
    As Gow was MP for Eastbourne the effect may not be as potent.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    isam said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 3s3 seconds ago
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    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 44% (-)
    LAB: 36% (-)
    LDEM: 7% (-)
    UKIP: 5% (-)
    GRN: 2% (-1)

    (via @PanelbaseMD / 02 - 07 Jun

    Wouldn't it be great if the Lib Dems couldn't outpoll UKIP when the Kippers aren't even bothering in a third of the seats?
    I know some polls discount UKIP VI where there isn't a candidate... is that true of all?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Pong said:

    I've just had a £5 on Solihull at 22/1 with PP.

    If Theresa May and Farron are visiting it the day before the election, then it isn't 22/1.

    I'm afraid I think you've thrown that fiver away.

    It's a con safe seat now.

    If i'm wrong, i'll purchase a hat and eat it.
    Would that hat be real, marzipan or like Paddy's virtual ?
    LDs have been sending teams there from the East Mids. Must think it worthwhile.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,980

    Pleasing defeats if they happened tomorrow:

    Tory
    - IDS
    - Mad Nad
    - Zac
    - Afriyie

    Lab
    - Burgon
    - Cat Smith
    - Dromey
    - Miliband
    - Skinner


    Lib Dem
    - Vince
    - Cleggy (££££££££££££ but to Tory so hmm)
    - Huppert (pleased if he wins)

    SNP
    - Robertson
    - Eck
    - whoever I've got bets on the borders with for the Tories

    Pretty much agree with those, except the LD I'd most like to see lose is Farron (and Norman Lamb is the one I'd want to see hang on).
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    Chameleon said:

    What result would make you happiest to see tomorrow night? It's a close one for me between Vince not winning, Skinner getting turfed out, or David Trennidick somehow losing his seat, oh and of course Zac getting the thumbs down. Alex Salmond losing would also be nice.

    IDS, Cable and Clive Lewis all losing would be a delightful tricast
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Martin Boon can fuck off at this point.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289

    Chameleon said:

    They were pretty confidant about not moving backwards too far in 2015 as well, weren't they?

    I saw Farron on the news (in Bath, note) sying that the LDs would be the only opposition party to gain seats. I guess he could be right.
    The polls may have disguised that the movement during the campaign has been as much anti-Tory as pro-Corbyn. As I have argued from the beginning, it isn't possible to tell one from the other in the national polls.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Kaboom 2? Has to be Lab in the lead in a poll then; I cannot see an increased Tory lead earning two separate Kabooms.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    FFS - pollsters can't stop their teasing... they may be flying but not round here they aren't!!!

    https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/872532434893537280
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    So, is the Kaboomery suggesting a Survation Labour lead?

    Not sure that'd be such a big deal - if you're finding 41/40 with a MoE of 3, you're going to swap the leader regularly.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    kle4 said:

    Kaboom 2? Has to be Lab in the lead in a poll then; I cannot see an increased Tory lead earning two separate Kabooms.
    Survation neck and neck?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    If that were the case, and they were real, then what perfect timing for Labour to have peaked.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,980

    nichomar said:

    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.

    Used to be yellow, of course, and the sitting MP is no great shakes. Remainy too.

    Seen sillier bets.
    I've had four on lib dem wins wells, eastlieigh, Cheltenham and OWWaB. Was wondering about east deven but no knowledge on the ind chances.
    Interesting that Lady Gow has written to Eastleigh constituents reminding them how her husband Ian Gow was assassinated by the IRA and urging voters to back Theresa May
    As Gow was MP for Eastbourne the effect may not be as potent.
    LOL. It's that Plymouth/ Portsmouth thing again.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,963
    Roger said:

    Completely OT. I just read that a Millwall supporter took on the terrorists. Obviously saw a fight that was too good to miss. By his own account and by the size of him I'm sure he gave as good as he got. The police arrived within 8 minutes of the first call and shot the suspects dead. Surely if 'Millwall' was stuck in by that time why didn't he witness the shooting?

    In fact why has no one appeared on TV to say they witnessed the shooting?

    Well the Millwall supporter was by that time probably more concerned about having been stabbed in the chest and stomach.

    But there have been several witnesses who saw the shooting including, I believe, the incredibly brave Romanian baker.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    If it's prediction time:

    BUM (Bobajob's Universal Methodology)

    CON 374
    LAB 198
    LIB 12
    SNP 43
    NIR 18
    PLC 4
    GRN 1

    CON MAJORITY = 98 (I think)
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 3s3 seconds ago
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    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 44% (-)
    LAB: 36% (-)
    LDEM: 7% (-)
    UKIP: 5% (-)
    GRN: 2% (-1)

    (via @PanelbaseMD / 02 - 07 Jun

    These are coming in order of best for Tory to best for Lab so far 12/10/8
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    Andrew said:

    So, is the Kaboomery suggesting a Survation Labour lead?

    Not sure that'd be such a big deal - if you're finding 41/40 with a MoE of 3, you're going to swap the leader regularly.

    If it's that guy off BBCDP earlier, I wouldn't trust him to find his way home on his own.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    nichomar said:

    If the Lib Dems are going to do well, could they please take Guildford please?

    In what must be my silliest bet of the election, I put £10 on them there at 33/1.

    Used to be yellow, of course, and the sitting MP is no great shakes. Remainy too.

    Seen sillier bets.
    I've had four on lib dem wins wells, eastlieigh, Cheltenham and OWWaB. Was wondering about east deven but no knowledge on the ind chances.
    Interesting that Lady Gow has written to Eastleigh constituents reminding them how her husband Ian Gow was assassinated by the IRA and urging voters to back Theresa May
    As Gow was MP for Eastbourne the effect may not be as potent.
    I received one of these letters from Labour, I don't like them. I didn't more than skim read it but I think they are a waste of time, especially when the said Doctor is a complete non-entity. If someone I knew and respected sent a letter (which wasn't computer generated in a handwritten font) I might read it but to me it is a complete waste of time and money.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    If YouGov decided to show a 10 point Tory lead now, that would be worthy of a KABOOM.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Not sure if anyone's posted this yet:

    ComRes also sticking to their guns, lining up with ICM in the big Tory win column.

    However they seem to be picking up some non-MOE splintering of the Tory vote to 'none of the above'. Could be crucial if they're wrong on the turnout weightings.
    Or it's just noise. We don't know, of course.

    At this point, the usual health warning: two years ago, the polls essentially predicted a tie. The Conservatives defeated Labour by 6.5% in terms of vote share, and by a margin in excess of a hundred seats.

    To the extent that any of the polls are wrong (and clearly, with a big spread of values, some of them must be quite a long way out,) I believe that they're still more likely to be over-rating Labour and under-rating the Conservatives than the reverse. Another outbreak of the Shy Tory Problem may be coming, this time amongst embarrassed defectors in traditional Labour heartland areas.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    If it's prediction time:

    BUM (Bobajob's Universal Methodology)

    CON 374
    LAB 198
    LIB 12
    SNP 43
    NIR 18
    PLC 4
    GRN 1

    CON MAJORITY = 98 (I think)

    27 posts you must be new around these parts, welcome aboard.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    YG or Survation last???
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I still think the LDs could win 15 seats or thereabouts. They may not lose any, and could pick up 3 or 4 seats from the SNP, 2 or 3 from the Tories, and 1 or 2 from Labour.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    DanSmith said:

    If YouGov decided to show a 10 point Tory lead now, that would be worthy of a KABOOM.

    But not 2 of them, surely,
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    handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    What result would make you happiest to see tomorrow night? It's a close one for me between Vince not winning, Skinner getting turfed out, or David Trennidick somehow losing his seat, oh and of course Zac getting the thumbs down. Alex Salmond losing would also be nice.

    Some small consultation in the event of increased Tory majority would be waving goodbye to John Woodcock.

    Edit: A word
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