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There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Nick are you a fan of Gwent... they've reworked it for a standalone gameNickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game. But Alt-Tabbing now and then to check for pollsEssexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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I'm doing exactly what I did in GE2015. Overtrading on rumour in fear of missing out.marke09 said:someone on digitalspy politics thread has said hes heard (dont know how) that You GOv have a 7% Tory lead
I backed Labour most seats at 7pm on the night, last time, before trading off again to Tory majority a few hours later!0 -
Should play in widowed mode, no alt tabbing required then !NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game. But Alt-Tabbing now and then to check for pollsEssexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Oops should have been 3.6% for the SNP!OUT said:
103%tlg86 said:Here's my prediction (vote share in brackets)
Conservatives - 379 (44.8%)
Labour - 201 (35.1%)
SNP - 45 (6.9%)
Lib Dems - 5 (9.1%)
Plaid - 1 (0.3%)
Ukip - 0 (2.5%)
Green - 0 (1.5%)
NI - 18 (2.1%)
Speaker - 1 (0.1%)
Others - 0 (0.9%)
Turnout - 68%0 -
Sensible idea Nick - Civ on laptop, PB on phone it is.NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game. But Alt-Tabbing now and then to check for pollsEssexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Do we think:
a) Corbyn might have done even better still, had the rebel MPs knuckled down and respected the vote of their members, rather than spending the first year undermining him at every turn?
b) Owen Smith, Argclu or whoever would have done better, or worse, than campaigning Corbyn?0 -
Okay, so at 8.43 David Herdson posts his abrupt volte face and at 8.44 he posts a reply to a routine question about his earlier prediction, and silence since then. Does that make sense to anybody?0
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spudgfsh said:
There's this too though.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/872542709868843008
Moamentumers....
https://i.imgur.com/PLVFa_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high0 -
There's video of the killers attacking their last victim before the police arrive and shoot them. I'm not going to post it here, but if you are interested search Tommy Robinson on Twitter for a link.Roger said:Completely OT. I just read that a Millwall supporter took on the terrorists. Obviously saw a fight that was too good to miss. By his own account and by the size of him I'm sure he gave as good as he got. The police arrived within 8 minutes of the first call and shot the suspects dead. Surely if 'Millwall' was stuck in by that time why didn't he witness the shooting?
In fact why has no one appeared on TV to say they witnessed the shooting?0 -
Ha, what a troll he is being.Casino_Royale said:
Agreed. I'm staying calm until 10pm tomorrow though. For the first time in ages I'm not taking part in a count, as if I have to freak out after the exit poll, I'd like to be in the comfort of my own home.glw said:
This is worse than the EU referendum. The worst case there was more EU bollocks, Corbyn and co. worry me far more than that.Casino_Royale said:That could be true too.
My heart can't take it. 25 hours and 10 minutes more of this.0 -
I'm moving to Los AngelesMTimT said:what's happening in 6 weeks? A big move?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!rcs1000 said:
I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.Charles said:
I can help you solve that problem ...rcs1000 said:Serious question for tomorrow:
What's everyone drinking?
I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.
* I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.0 -
Blimey, I disappear for an hour.0
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You'd have to have a heart of stone to not laugh when the twitter climaxes over it tonight, only for May to be returned with a 100+ majority tomorrow.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
We've only got Survation and YouGov left for tonight haven't we?spudgfsh said:There's this too though.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8725427098688430080 -
PAGING DAVID HERDSON0
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One sounded like David the other didn't.Carolus_Rex said:Okay, so at 8.43 David Herdson posts his abrupt volte face and at 8.44 he posts a reply to a routine question about his earlier prediction, and silence since then. Does that make sense to anybody?
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Many of Henretty’s predictions for Wales look odd (e.g., the Pembrokeshire seats -> Labour).Drutt said:Hanretty has Ynys Mon as 75% CON gain likelihood (midpoints CON 33, LAB 29, PC 21, UKIP 13). And yet CON is 5/1, 7/1 around the bookies. BF exchange too thin. At least one of them is wrong.
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I think seems more likely than a Labour lead. It does look like we might get sudden herding from the pollsters right at the end of the campaign, not that it means they have got it right of course!NickPalmer said:
I'd have thought from the implied glee that he's heard that YouGov and/or Survation have suddenly shown big Tory leads, thereby validating ICM. If they were moving the other way, it'd be interesting but not a cause for glee.TheWhiteRabbit said:
what was KABOOM 1?!Casino_Royale said:0 -
Must be Survation's 11pm jobby. Explains why that geeky guy was so confident in predicting NOM on BBCDP today?GIN1138 said:
We've only got Survation and YouGov left for tonight haven't we?spudgfsh said:There's this too though.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8725427098688430080 -
c), we're living in a computer simulation, and two years ago someone fiddled with the randomness generator.IanB2 said:Do we think:
a) Corbyn might have done even better still, had the rebel MPs knuckled down and respected the vote of their members, rather than spending the first year undermining him at every turn?
b) Owen Smith, Argclu or whoever would have done better, or worse, than campaigning Corbyn?0 -
Ugh. MOE from previous, of course, and hopefully would still be wrong.Black_Rook said:
It's be like Vettel's first championship win - never being in the lead, but snatched it in the final race.0 -
Don't know Gwent, tell me more?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Nick are you a fan of Gwent... they've reworked it for a standalone gameNickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game. But Alt-Tabbing now and then to check for pollsEssexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Just one night without Pampers.... you get a nasty rash don't you know if exposed to them for too long and on here it's been weeks and that's without a single poll showing Lab in the lead.0
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Still if David Herdson is accurate, I'm going to be unbearably smug,
See, told you Cameron and Osborne are awesome, you feckers didn't realise how lucky you were to have them in charge for a decade.0 -
Survation could easily have labour ahead as they have had 1% tory leads.0
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Perfect for disrupted sleep.GIN1138 said:
We've only got Survation and YouGov left for tonight haven't we?spudgfsh said:There's this too though.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8725427098688430080 -
To be fair, Survation could show a MOE shift and it would be a Labour lead.FrancisUrquhart said:spudgfsh said:There's this too though.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/872542709868843008
Moamentumers....
https://i.imgur.com/PLVFa_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high
Huuuurm.0 -
So it's either a reversal of their traditional biases for this campaign, or an exaggeration of them - or one of each.GIN1138 said:
We've only got Survation and YouGov left for tonight haven't we?spudgfsh said:There's this too though.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8725427098688430080 -
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/872543536746573824
Another one from the Hung Parliament side of the Great Polling Divide0 -
This is better than a play.0
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I must be misremembering Nick... it's the game within a game from The Witcher. Not that will make any sense at all since I must have you confused with another poster...NickPalmer said:
Don't know Gwent, tell me more?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Nick are you a fan of Gwent... they've reworked it for a standalone gameNickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game. But Alt-Tabbing now and then to check for pollsEssexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Corbyn hasn't won yetrcs1000 said:
I'm moving to Los AngelesMTimT said:what's happening in 6 weeks? A big move?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Waiting for 008 to announce challenge accepted!!!rcs1000 said:
I have (lots of) Ridge Montebello, (a bit of) Ridge Estate, (a case of) Haut Brion, some Corton Charlemagne, a (bottle of) Mouton Rothschild, and a bunch of other less valuable stuff. I'm happy to sell to any PBers at a sensible discount to true value, because not even SeanT could drink all my wine in the next six weeks.Charles said:
I can help you solve that problem ...rcs1000 said:Serious question for tomorrow:
What's everyone drinking?
I'm wondering about opening a bottle of Ridge Montebello* at 9:50pm tomorrow evening. I'll probably finish it about two, and move onto the whisky before crashing out at four.
* I wouldn't normally drink such nice wine on my own. But we're moving to LA in about six weeks and I have a whole cellar to get through.0 -
We had that earlier today. Whether a 4 point lead would be enough for a majority is entirely down to differential swing.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/872543536746573824
Another one from the Hung Parliament side of the Great Polling Divide
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Someone posted that Jim Messina reported an unusually high number of don't knows. It could be they've all now jumped in the same direction -- possibly Tory given the anti-Corbyn onslaught on today's tabloid front pages.WhisperingOracle said:
A massive contrast with all the pattern of the last week's polls, which as everyone has said has been all about the narrative of stabilisation of the tory lead, and Labour locked in in an improved but no longer mobile position, is sure to get coverage.MikeL said:
I don't think they'll make any difference - TV news isn't mentioning polls at all.WhisperingOracle said:
..which is why any that do, will have a disproportionate result on the news agenda, the night before the election itself.MikeL said:Surely the big picture is of stability in the final week.
Con lead was falling significantly up to then.
But we now have five final polls and taken together they suggest no discernable change from previous polls.
I guess a shock poll may lead a tabloid tomorrow but surely they'll just be in full cheerleading / attack mode.
This would have to be a either a Labour lead or a Tory twenty-pointer, though, mind.0 -
I don't think 42/38 is a hung parliament, I think it is similar to now.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/872543536746573824
Another one from the Hung Parliament side of the Great Polling Divide0 -
Today's 4 polls have had Con leads of 7, 8, 10 and 12. Any poll showing a Labour lead will be well out of line, which is not to say it would be wrong, of course.0
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I'm not going to be smug, I'll be crying for weeks. That said I have adjusted a few overall positions.TheScreamingEagles said:Still if David Herdson is accurate, I'm going to be unbearably smug,
See, told you Cameron and Osborne are awesome, you feckers didn't realise how lucky you were to have them in charge for a decade.0 -
.....and 3% MoE. The Yougov for the Times was 4% +-2 iirc.FrancisUrquhart said:Survation could easily have labour ahead as they have had 1% tory leads.
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The one pattern that is emerging is for a small late anti-Tory swing.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/872543536746573824
Another one from the Hung Parliament side of the Great Polling Divide0 -
If May emerges on Friday without a majority, just how badly will she go down in the all time rankings of Con leaders?0
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I sometimes wonder if it is too easy to treat the "youth vote" as one giant homogeneous, progressive bloc. I've just returned from shopping at my local TESCO in Margate, and the young guy on the till was completely different to the typical Corbynista fan, screeching about tuition fees, food banks, zero hours and wicked Tory cuts. Instead he was profoundly optimistic about the economy, was looking for an apprenticeship in engineering, named several "great local employers" and had just bought his first car. Someone like him is utterly divorced from Corbyn's socialism.0
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Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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They've still been briefing against the campaign, even today. According to Norman Smith on the BBC the right of the party have been the ones telling him about Corbyn still being toxic on the doorstep, even today.IanB2 said:Do we think:
a) Corbyn might have done even better still, had the rebel MPs knuckled down and respected the vote of their members, rather than spending the first year undermining him at every turn?
b) Owen Smith, Argclu or whoever would have done better, or worse, than campaigning Corbyn?0 -
Well I'm actually a left leaning lib dem who could vote for a sensible labour party in the right seat but my two brothers always told me I was middle aged middle class and boring. Whilst it hurts me to admit this most Tories I encountered in local government as with other parties understood the concept of public service even if I disagreed with them. The current labour breed have missed this as I think all that local shit is irrelevant. It's a crying shame to see hard working labour mps vilified by momentum types and not recognizing what they actually achieve for their constituents.kyf_100 said:
Yes, you're right. I have a few friends on the Blairite side of Labour. The worst vitriol on any Facebook thread I've seen this campaign was when one of them, a staunch activist since our student days, posted his despair in the aftermath of the locals last month. He hasn't posted a word since.nichomar said:
You don't need to hold right wing views to think Corbyn is crap. I'm left of centre but dare not put my criticism of Corbyn on fb to my family, I told them during both leader elections they were robbing decent needy people of representation and hope but to them a socialist labour party was more important than winning. Oddly enough I don't actually they will have knocked on 20 doors between them and went to music festivals at the weekend.kyf_100 said:
It's a difficult question to answer. I've always been a bit of a political junkie but the idea of people my own age or younger being interested in politics feels very very new. I think social media has politicised the very young in a way they never were.
It's sort of like being a hardcore fan of some obscure, nerdy sport that, between 2015 and now, miraculously became as popular as football.
Now you have a lot of very loud, very obnoxious people who are more interested in chanting rude songs about the other side than they are in debating the finer points of the game. The Corbynites in my feed are basically like football hooligans - loud, intimidating and they make you afraid of wearing your own team's colours.
For what it's worth, while I'm pretty sure the 18 - 24s break pretty heavily for Corbyn, I think 25 - 35 is far more even. It's just most people with right wing views stay pretty quiet about it.
The Corbynites hear nothing but the deafening sound of their own voices and don't think why everyone else has gone silent. They assume that only the old (who they think aren't on social media) vote Tory and that everyone else agrees with them.
I feel intimidated by them. I hate to think how much some of the abuse I see online would scare my gran. It really is a stain on politics, and on decent left wing people such as yourself and my activist friends, who've been active in their local Labour party for years.0 -
I acknowledge I clearly do not understand people given the polling has already gone very differently to how I expected, but I really do not understand why the don't knows would suddenly stop saying don't know and go Tory because of that, when to a lesser extent they've been hearing that for weeks.DecrepitJohnL said:
Someone posted that Jim Messina reported an unusually high number of don't knows. It could be they've all now jumped in the same direction -- possibly Tory given the anti-Corbyn onslaught on today's tabloid front pages.WhisperingOracle said:
A massive contrast with all the pattern of the last week's polls, which as everyone has said has been all about the narrative of stabilisation of the tory lead, and Labour locked in in an improved but no longer mobile position, is sure to get coverage.MikeL said:
I don't think they'll make any difference - TV news isn't mentioning polls at all.WhisperingOracle said:
..which is why any that do, will have a disproportionate result on the news agenda, the night before the election itself.MikeL said:Surely the big picture is of stability in the final week.
Con lead was falling significantly up to then.
But we now have five final polls and taken together they suggest no discernable change from previous polls.
I guess a shock poll may lead a tabloid tomorrow but surely they'll just be in full cheerleading / attack mode.
This would have to be a either a Labour lead or a Tory twenty-pointer, though, mind.0 -
Will be good for betting purposes at least! I haven't yet placed a single bet on the size of the majority...Chameleon said:
You'd have to have a heart of stone to not laugh when the twitter climaxes over it tonight, only for May to be returned with a 100+ majority tomorrow.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Well it would win me the cost of dinner. However it could quite possibly cost me my job so...Pulpstar said:
I'm not going to be smug, I'll be crying for weeks. That said I have adjusted a few overall positions.TheScreamingEagles said:Still if David Herdson is accurate, I'm going to be unbearably smug,
See, told you Cameron and Osborne are awesome, you feckers didn't realise how lucky you were to have them in charge for a decade.0 -
That said...steve_garner said:Today's 4 polls have had Con leads of 7, 8, 10 and 12. Any poll showing a Labour lead will be well out of line, which is not to say it would be wrong, of course.
if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...0 -
@iainjwatson: Final Kantar poll Con 43 labour 38 Libdem 7 UKIP40
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Assume he's talking about individual seatsTheWhiteRabbit said:
what was KABOOM 1?!Casino_Royale said:0 -
How much contrition will there be from Tories who campaigned for Brexit and caused Cameron's downfall?Chameleon said:If May emerges on Friday without a majority, just how badly will she go down in the all time rankings of Con leaders?
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Whisper it quietly, but maybe he is, but May sin't really that much better.WhisperingOracle said:
They've still been briefing against the campaign, even today. According to Norman Smith on the BBC the right of the party have been the ones telling him about Corbyn still being toxic on the doorstep, even today.IanB2 said:Do we think:
a) Corbyn might have done even better still, had the rebel MPs knuckled down and respected the vote of their members, rather than spending the first year undermining him at every turn?
b) Owen Smith, Argclu or whoever would have done better, or worse, than campaigning Corbyn?0 -
Argh the tension is killing me.
Maybe Survation shows Labour lead (kaboom 1) and Yougov starts to move to the Tories (Kaboom 2) or vice versa.
I'll need a holiday after this. Possibly a permanent one if Corbyn gets in.0 -
Me too.Pulpstar said:
I'm not going to be smug, I'll be crying for weeks. That said I have adjusted a few overall positions.TheScreamingEagles said:Still if David Herdson is accurate, I'm going to be unbearably smug,
See, told you Cameron and Osborne are awesome, you feckers didn't realise how lucky you were to have them in charge for a decade.0 -
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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That's the first final poll to show big movement.Scott_P said:@iainjwatson: Final Kantar poll Con 43 labour 38 Libdem 7 UKIP4
Previous Kantar was 43/33.0 -
Or just maybe people have had enough of a government that behaves as if it is entitled to another five years of majority power with nothing to offer us except knocking copy about its opposition?DecrepitJohnL said:
Someone posted that Jim Messina reported an unusually high number of don't knows. It could be they've all now jumped in the same direction -- possibly Tory given the anti-Corbyn onslaught on today's tabloid front pages.WhisperingOracle said:
A massive contrast with all the pattern of the last week's polls, which as everyone has said has been all about the narrative of stabilisation of the tory lead, and Labour locked in in an improved but no longer mobile position, is sure to get coverage.MikeL said:
I don't think they'll make any difference - TV news isn't mentioning polls at all.WhisperingOracle said:
..which is why any that do, will have a disproportionate result on the news agenda, the night before the election itself.MikeL said:Surely the big picture is of stability in the final week.
Con lead was falling significantly up to then.
But we now have five final polls and taken together they suggest no discernable change from previous polls.
I guess a shock poll may lead a tabloid tomorrow but surely they'll just be in full cheerleading / attack mode.
This would have to be a either a Labour lead or a Tory twenty-pointer, though, mind.0 -
Tory leads of 7, 12, 10, 8, and now 5 today. These pollsters....0
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Where has the +5 come from?MikeL said:
That's the first final poll to show big movement.Scott_P said:@iainjwatson: Final Kantar poll Con 43 labour 38 Libdem 7 UKIP4
Previous Kantar was 43/33.0 -
@britainelects: Westminster voting intention:
CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 38% (+5)
LDEM: 7% (-4)
UKIP: 4% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)
(via @TNS_UK / 01 - 07 Jun)
Chgs w 30 May0 -
Cameron's downfall wasn't because of Brexit, it was because of how badly he positioned himself. If he'd said that he believed that this was a decision for the people to make and took no part then he could have easily survived.williamglenn said:
How much contrition will there be from Tories who campaigned for Brexit and caused Cameron's downfall?Chameleon said:If May emerges on Friday without a majority, just how badly will she go down in the all time rankings of Con leaders?
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Lib Dems were 11.MikeL said:
That's the first final poll to show big movement.Scott_P said:@iainjwatson: Final Kantar poll Con 43 labour 38 Libdem 7 UKIP4
Previous Kantar was 43/33.0 -
Leafleting might change people`s mind. But the real question is: how would Mr Herdson know, if all he was doing was leafleting?TudorRose said:
But I'm not sure how leafleting would change your mind; canvassing yes.....Casino_Royale said:
David doesn't do wind ups. Neither does Martin Boon.isam said:
1.01 a wind upCarolus_Rex said:
Well you can't leave it hanging there. What's happened to change your mind?david_herdson said:Just come back from last-minute leafleting. Change of mind on earlier. I think Corbyn is just going to do this. The polls are right. Con 300.
Still think we'll take Wakefield due to Creagh's idiocy/principled stand (delete as preferred) over triggering A50.
That's why I'm worried.
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5-12 is an acceptable range. 1-12 or -1 to 12 is not.The_Apocalypse said:Tory leads of 7, 12, 10, 8, and now 5 today. These pollsters....
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Well that's not really a kaboom.Scott_P said:@britainelects: Westminster voting intention:
CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 38% (+5)
LDEM: 7% (-4)
UKIP: 4% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)
(via @TNS_UK / 01 - 07 Jun)
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Kantar
CON 43 (=)
LAB 38 (+5)
LIB 7 (-4)
KIP 4 (=)
GRN 2 (-1)
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Lib Dems, SNP, GreenIanB2 said:
Where has the +5 come from?MikeL said:
That's the first final poll to show big movement.Scott_P said:@iainjwatson: Final Kantar poll Con 43 labour 38 Libdem 7 UKIP4
Previous Kantar was 43/33.0 -
Europa Universalis can be heavy but very rewarding and immersive.Chameleon said:
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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I'd like to reapply for the bedwetters club, please.0
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We now know where Labour are getting that +5 in that Kantar poll. From the LDs and the Greens....squeezing the smaller parties.0
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+1 for Paradox. Although City Skylines would appeal to the aspirant mayors in here.Chameleon said:
Stellaris is a very decent recent addition to the genre. Paradox games generally are very high quality. Victoria 2 & Crusader Kings being my stand out recommendations.NickPalmer said:
Very well for my taste. I'm a MOO 2 fan - I like lots of rich detail plus asymmetric races plus turn-by-turn play plus decent AI. I hate3D fiddling and real-time action. Endless Space 2 is perfect for me - all the good stuff, plus evocative films of the battles (which one can switch off) but no real-time control. I'm beating the AI at Normal, but Hard is a bit more of a challeng, and it works well with humans too.kle4 said:
There's so many space 4x games out there - any idea how it stacks up against rivals?NickPalmer said:
Personally, I'm playhing Endless Space 2 - excellent game.Essexit said:When are we expecting this poll? I want to play Civilization VI...
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Thinking time while walking I presume.PClipp said:
Leafleting might change people`s mind. But the real question is: how would Mr Herdson know, if all he was doing was leafleting?TudorRose said:
But I'm not sure how leafleting would change your mind; canvassing yes.....Casino_Royale said:
David doesn't do wind ups. Neither does Martin Boon.isam said:
1.01 a wind upCarolus_Rex said:
Well you can't leave it hanging there. What's happened to change your mind?david_herdson said:Just come back from last-minute leafleting. Change of mind on earlier. I think Corbyn is just going to do this. The polls are right. Con 300.
Still think we'll take Wakefield due to Creagh's idiocy/principled stand (delete as preferred) over triggering A50.
That's why I'm worried.
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Lab posters up ?PClipp said:
Leafleting might change people`s mind. But the real question is: how would Mr Herdson know, if all he was doing was leafleting?TudorRose said:
But I'm not sure how leafleting would change your mind; canvassing yes.....Casino_Royale said:
David doesn't do wind ups. Neither does Martin Boon.isam said:
1.01 a wind upCarolus_Rex said:
Well you can't leave it hanging there. What's happened to change your mind?david_herdson said:Just come back from last-minute leafleting. Change of mind on earlier. I think Corbyn is just going to do this. The polls are right. Con 300.
Still think we'll take Wakefield due to Creagh's idiocy/principled stand (delete as preferred) over triggering A50.
That's why I'm worried.
Theres plenty in middle class areas David don't worry if that was what got you worried
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Poor old Tim.Scott_P said:@britainelects: Westminster voting intention:
CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 38% (+5)
LDEM: 7% (-4)
UKIP: 4% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)
(via @TNS_UK / 01 - 07 Jun)
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Only in the short term. Surviving to be the man to deliver Brexit would be a poisoned chalice. Remain needed to win, which is why he didn't sit out the campaign.Chameleon said:
Cameron's downfall wasn't because of Brexit, it was because of how badly he positioned himself. If he'd said that he believed that this was a decision for the people to make and took no part then he could have easily survived.williamglenn said:
How much contrition will there be from Tories who campaigned for Brexit and caused Cameron's downfall?Chameleon said:If May emerges on Friday without a majority, just how badly will she go down in the all time rankings of Con leaders?
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It will all come down to the truth of...
May - Corbyn >= Cameron - Miliband
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I'm still bemused by David Herdson's post - it seemed so blunt and has been followed by silence. Not like him at all.0
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Application refused.Casino_Royale said:I'd like to reapply for the bedwetters club, please.
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Labour just squeezing the life out of the minor Lefties on that poll.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Lib Dems, SNP, GreenIanB2 said:
Where has the +5 come from?MikeL said:
That's the first final poll to show big movement.Scott_P said:@iainjwatson: Final Kantar poll Con 43 labour 38 Libdem 7 UKIP4
Previous Kantar was 43/33.0 -
Note dates of Kantar - 1 to 7 June - so some of it is almost a week old.
Big picture is still no change in final 3 days.0 -
Maybe.....doubt he'd be sweating the night before an election against Corbyn howeverChameleon said:
Cameron's downfall wasn't because of Brexit, it was because of how badly he positioned himself. If he'd said that he believed that this was a decision for the people to make and took no part then he could have easily survived.williamglenn said:
How much contrition will there be from Tories who campaigned for Brexit and caused Cameron's downfall?Chameleon said:If May emerges on Friday without a majority, just how badly will she go down in the all time rankings of Con leaders?
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If a poll comes in with Labour in the lead, this place will absolutely be hilarious.0
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I thought David Herdson went out canvassing. I did not realise he had been in the pub all evening.
If his account has not been hacked or he is not upto some mischief, this eerily reminds m eof the night before the 1992 election when something was in the air about a last minute swing.
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Undecided voters would probably make up their minds today one way or the other simply because the election is tomorrow. If the DKs were predominantly the same persuasion -- anti-Corbyn Labour, or Tory remainers, or homeless Ukippers (because Ukip aren't standing) then they could all have been unduly influenced by very recent news like today's front pages (or sympathy for Diane Abbott in the other direction). Maybe we will have been told by the time I finish typing this.kle4 said:
I acknowledge I clearly do not understand people given the polling has already gone very differently to how I expected, but I really do not understand why the don't knows would suddenly stop saying don't know and go Tory because of that, when to a lesser extent they've been hearing that for weeks.DecrepitJohnL said:
Someone posted that Jim Messina reported an unusually high number of don't knows. It could be they've all now jumped in the same direction -- possibly Tory given the anti-Corbyn onslaught on today's tabloid front pages.WhisperingOracle said:
A massive contrast with all the pattern of the last week's polls, which as everyone has said has been all about the narrative of stabilisation of the tory lead, and Labour locked in in an improved but no longer mobile position, is sure to get coverage.MikeL said:
I don't think they'll make any difference - TV news isn't mentioning polls at all.WhisperingOracle said:
..which is why any that do, will have a disproportionate result on the news agenda, the night before the election itself.MikeL said:Surely the big picture is of stability in the final week.
Con lead was falling significantly up to then.
But we now have five final polls and taken together they suggest no discernable change from previous polls.
I guess a shock poll may lead a tabloid tomorrow but surely they'll just be in full cheerleading / attack mode.
This would have to be a either a Labour lead or a Tory twenty-pointer, though, mind.0 -
HYUFD will probably still be telling us she'll outlast Thatcher as she comes out to announce her resignation.midwinter said:
Several rungs below IDS....quite the achievementChameleon said:If May emerges on Friday without a majority, just how badly will she go down in the all time rankings of Con leaders?
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I think that the extra 2.5% difference in the CON/LAB from last time is not so huge that it make a big increase in the Tory seats.Black_Rook said:
If the gap is as big as 9% the majority is likely to be significantly greater than 64.Saltire said:Still think that the 20% of people who said that they are considering voting tactically could be massively important to the outcome of the election. There is no clear idea where the might help one party more than another (Except against the SNP) but I think that this could lead to quite few unexpected holds and gains of seats.
Since this puts a fair bit of doubt in the figures I would the final outcome being quite different to what the models and UNS predict.
Currently I am thinking we could see a result something like this:
CON 44% 357 SEATS
LAB 35% 216 SEATS
LD 10% 13 SEATS
UKIP 3% 0 SEATS
GRN 2% 1 SEAT
SNP/PC 5% 43/2 SEATS
OTH 1% 0 SEATS
NI 18 SEATS
Majority of 64
Tactical voting in E&W more anti Tory than Anti Corbyn but off set by Tory gains in Midlands and the North
LD on 13 is basically treading water in E&W and gaining 4 in Scotland.
The more the third party vote decays, the more irrelevant tactical voting becomes, because the third parties typically have few voters available to lend in most constituencies, and the surviving third party voters know their candidate hasn't a prayer and will mostly be sticking to their guns because of conviction.
Save for the small handful of seats in which the Lib Dems, Plaid and the Greens are competitive in England and Wales (the dozen they hold, plus perhaps another dozen or so realistic targets,) this is a straight fight between the Tories and Labour now. Scotland, of course, is a bit of a law unto itself nowadays.
Indeed when I put into the Election Calculus model with a SNP41C29LAB21LD8 split for Scotland I got this result for the Tories with slightly different numbers for the rest.0 -
Music to my ears.The_Apocalypse said:We now know where Labour are getting that +5 in that Kantar poll. From the LDs and the Greens....squeezing the smaller parties.
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If Corbyn does just do it, with the Tories on 300, he isn't going to be able to do very much, and will be highly vulnerable to ambushes in the HoC.
Of course, conversely, that could work against the Tories further if they try and be too clever and "obstruct" his agenda.0 -
It is for the Tories. Especially if the LibDem vote is actually up where it matters and down everywhere else.Chameleon said:
Well that's not really a kaboom.Scott_P said:@britainelects: Westminster voting intention:
CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 38% (+5)
LDEM: 7% (-4)
UKIP: 4% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)
(via @TNS_UK / 01 - 07 Jun)
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"Kaboom" from a pollster who has just given a final poll with a Conservative lead of 12 is unlikely to be uncongenial to Conservatives.0
