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  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Robertson for the first time looking silly to me - a bit over the top on the climate change stuff.
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    Any more polls tonight?
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    kle4 said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    kle4 said:

    Poor Tim. A fairly decent, tough set of lines - not a squeak from the audience. They want Corbyn and Corbyn. With a bit of Caroline.

    Is Leanne still there?

    I think Tim is doing good.

    Surely he has much more in common with the Lab programme than the Tories
    Tim's doing ok, but he's not getting anywhere near as much love from the audience even when pitching things you'd think they'd like (the left parts of it anyway).
    Hope you have moved back to the LDs. A nice guy has no business voting for the Tories...
    There is nothing inherently nice or nasty about a political party, left or right. May is crap, but the Tory plans are more realistic and sensible, and its between her and Corbyn.

    Corbyn really passionate about getting the americans to challenge their government to adhere to the paris agreement - is that something people are really concerned about, what the americans do and what we should say to them?
    I'm fairly passionate that we deal with climate change. Frankly it's a much much bigger, albeit perhaps fractionally less immediate, threat than Islamic Extremism.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Torby_Fennel said:

    surbiton said:

    Torby_Fennel said:

    I think all the Conservative leaning members of the audience were made to dip their hands in a big pot of glue before taking their seats. :D I think the Conservative posters on here are probably right to feel irked by the audience make up.

    It's representative of the national mood right now. 60% hate Tories.
    That doesn't at all explain why the 40% who support them are not clapping anything though. It's bizarre.
    Maybe Tories are just reserved.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Audience loving Corbyn's climax.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Question on leadership. Oh dear - a gimme given May isn't there.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Won't go for the obvious joke on Nuttall "I've never flip-flopped on anything"....
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    handandmouse said:

    Strange question given they're not all party leaders up there

    I suspect that's the point.
  • midwinter
    midwinter Posts: 1,112
    kle4 said:

    Robertson for the first time looking silly to me - a bit over the top on the climate change stuff.

    He's so sanctimonious its nauseating.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,311
    Rudd might as well go for Corbyn since defending May in her absence is doomed to fail
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Suspect it might be counter-productive in terms of the watching public.
  • ExiledInScotland
    ExiledInScotland Posts: 1,540
    May couldn't have gone on as she wasn't prepped. Cameron war gamed his debates for days. Once Corbyn ambushed her this morning, it was too late. Why didn't anyone see this coming - it was obvious this would happen ages ago. Corbyn is getting big cheers. I think the big mo will continue. What a mess.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,311
    Go Leanne!
  • Cyan
    Cyan Posts: 1,262
    Nuttall: "the Brexit that people voted for". Then he describes his own party's platform.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    kle4 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Rudd's getting about as much screen time as that Welsh person. She seems to not have any presence.

    She did at the start, curious she had faded back in these later questions.
    Came out fired up with full gegenpress...ran out of steam at half-time.
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    I really really <3 Leanne.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Paul never changed his stance Nutjob

    Apart from being at Hillsboro privatising NHS living in Stoke being a Tranmere player etc etc etc
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    It's not really on the interrupting is it?
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited May 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Was Tim right about the Manchester bomber being reported five times? What does that actually mean? And if so, why wasn't anything done?

    There were concerns raised about the individual on five separate occasions, including once by his own Imman. The problem is that there are probably thousands of people who are reported each year, such as SeanT's own dry cleaners. Most of the time it's nothing. And often people fall through the net (nothing suspicious in his mobile phone call patterns, nothing to see here, move on).

    We're getting better at tracking those we need to monitor. And for every Manchester, there are five guys who's plans are disrupted. But this is a multi-decade effort, and we're (really) only ten years in.

    Modestly more resources, targeted modestly better, combined with better infiltration, and - like with the IRA and similar movements - we'll reduce Islamic terrorism to a minor, but chronic, condition. Maybe that's not enough, but that is the direction we're heading in.
    His father was in Libya fighting with the jihadis. It does seem that the alarm bells didn't ring.

    Looking for a needle in a haystack is difficult, but any case like Manchester should be reviewed for lessons learned.
  • Torby_Fennel
    Torby_Fennel Posts: 438
    IanB2 said:



    Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?

    I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.

  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Excellent answer on the leadership question by Rudd /s. Answer the bloody question.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    edited May 2017
    Rudd went for the Diane Abbott line. And well worth reminding the public of the lack of support from the PLP.
  • murali_s
    murali_s Posts: 3,084
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Suspect it might be counter-productive in terms of the watching public.
    Unlikely. Anyway, you guys have the election in the bag. No need to worry!
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited May 2017
    Feck, rapturous applause for the Welsh woman who wants to maximise the divorce bill.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Torby_Fennel said:

    IanB2 said:



    Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?

    I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.

    It's because of where the debate is held, probably.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Danny565 said:

    Audience loving Corbyn's climax.

    Thanks for that image.
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    Jesus Christ this audience balance...
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Rudd's getting about as much screen time as that Welsh person. She seems to not have any presence.

    She did at the start, curious she had faded back in these later questions.
    Came out fired up with full gegenpress...ran out of steam at half-time.
    Please don't mention that word. I'm still having flashbacks to monday.
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    murali_s said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Suspect it might be counter-productive in terms of the watching public.
    Unlikely. Anyway, you guys have the election in the bag. No need to worry!
    I'm not worried murali!
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    "The first rule of leadership is to show up" -Lucas
  • Gallowgate
    Gallowgate Posts: 20,709
    Corbyn can literally do no wrong in some people's eyes.
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    I'm sorry to keep going on about it, but there will be questions about this audience.
  • Quincel
    Quincel Posts: 4,042
    jonny83 said:

    Jesus Christ this audience balance...

    "300k members voted for me to lead Labour-"
    Audience woops and cheers
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,311
    Torby_Fennel said:

    IanB2 said:



    Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?

    I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.

    The easiest way to get applause is through sharp criticism, which is always difficult for a defending government. Having few policies and fewer attractive ones doesn't help.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Still think they can't game the polling panels?
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    Danny565 said:

    Audience loving Corbyn's climax.

    ooo err missus.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Wow, cheering? Are these Labour members in the audience?
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    SeanT said:

    What possible sane and balanced UK audience would actually cheer Britain having to pay more money to the EU?

    Over half of them would be Leavers if it was balanced
  • nichomar
    nichomar Posts: 7,483
    Yes the audience is biased to labour, not sure how they do it but every time they can pack the crowd
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Is Leanne trying to lose the vote of every divorced man in Wales ?
  • Dadge
    Dadge Posts: 2,052
    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    :-D

    Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    We thought there wouldn't be a problem with Shy Tories at this election. I'm not so sure after the last couple of weeks.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Freggles said:

    "The first rule of leadership is to show up" -Lucas

    She's not wrong...
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Chameleon said:

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Rudd's getting about as much screen time as that Welsh person. She seems to not have any presence.

    She did at the start, curious she had faded back in these later questions.
    Came out fired up with full gegenpress...ran out of steam at half-time.
    Please don't mention that word. I'm still having flashbacks to monday.
    Huddersfield took German penalties...
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    First rule of leadership is to show up...good line Caroline.
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Theresa's rightly had a kicking for hiding. And let's face it. It's not just today, it's the whole campaign.

    As nailed now by Farron.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    rcs1000 said:

    There were concerns raised about the individual on five separate occasions, including once by his own Imman. The problem is that there are probably thousands of people who are reported each year, such as SeanT's own dry cleaners. Most of the time it's nothing. And often people fall through the net (nothing suspicious in his mobile phone call patterns, nothing to see here, move on).

    If there are 23,000 found to have extremist views, and 5,000 with some terrorist connection, there are likely to be many more people who have reported. I wouldn't be at all surprised if reports are in the hundreds of thousands per year, and tens of thousands of people are investigated per year. MI5 has a simply huge task to investigate all the leads it gets.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    tlg86 said:

    We thought there wouldn't be a problem with Shy Tories at this election. I'm not so sure after the last couple of weeks.

    Why weren't people shy when they were giving the Tories 25% leads, then?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Quincel said:

    jonny83 said:

    Jesus Christ this audience balance...

    "300k members voted for me to lead Labour-"
    Audience woops and cheers
    Did they manage to fit all 300k in the hall?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Audience crawling with momentum !
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    What a sh!t line by Angus there.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    edited May 2017
    "If you want to lead the people, you have to kind of like them as well and want to spend time with them" , stinging from Tim.

    Remember the spinners earlier saying this would be ferrets in a sack attacking Corbyn. LOL
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    If it was balanced UkIP would have got some cheers mentioning the EU, Nuttall got nothing but jeers.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MarqueeMark said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Still think they can't game the polling panels?
    The secret is to first win over the people, then the panels and audience will follow.
  • Cyan
    Cyan Posts: 1,262
    MarqueeMark said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Still think they can't game the polling panels?
    Or Tory supporters can.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Pong said:

    I think Seamus Milne deserves a lot of credit for the strategy he's pursued with Corbyn.

    To take someone we all thought was unelectable outside of his base - and turn him into an (almost) viable prime minister took real skill.

    A very difficult job, very well done.

    Yes - if you're shameless to advise your leader to tell bare-faced lies in interviews, you can do well.

    Still doesn't change the fact that Corbyn lies - repeatedly.

  • Gallowgate
    Gallowgate Posts: 20,709
    Dadge said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    :-D

    Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
    It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views.
    It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.

    Get your hypocrisy in check.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Cyan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Still think they can't game the polling panels?
    Or Tory supporters can.
    We game the election. :smiley:
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Monksfield said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Theresa's rightly had a kicking for hiding. And let's face it. It's not just today, it's the whole campaign.

    As nailed now by Farron.
    LOL. If audience members are clapping because Corbyn said that he was elected by 300k members, then it's likely that they are on the left/activists, and not representative.

    In my family there are quite a few that are not happy with TMay at all, but they wouldn't be clapping everytime Corbyn breathed either.
  • Schards
    Schards Posts: 210
    Dadge said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    :-D

    Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
    Ha, Ha, there are no tories in the audience, it's 99% left
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,311
    jonny83 said:

    If it was balanced UkIP would have got some cheers mentioning the EU, Nuttall got nothing but jeers.

    Nuttall got a big round of applause on the terrorism question.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    May should have shown up. But Amber Rudd has done an excellent job tonight showing the depth of the Tory team in contrast to Labour.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    IanB2 said:

    jonny83 said:

    If it was balanced UkIP would have got some cheers mentioning the EU, Nuttall got nothing but jeers.

    Nuttall got a big round of applause on the terrorism question.
    The one about not letting Jihadists back in after they've pledged allegiance to ISIS? Yeah, I would bloody hope so!
  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Posts: 408
    Tough gig for Rudd - think she's done OK
    Nuttall won on immigration and terrorism.
    Farron - It's all about me - bit kooky.
    Corbyn - another assured performance
    Audience very left wing - people at home will see that.

  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    edited May 2017
    Leanne Wood is deceptively good in a 'Chance the Gardener' sort of way.
  • Cyan
    Cyan Posts: 1,262
    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    Still think they can't game the polling panels?
    Or Tory supporters can.
    We game the election. :smiley:
    Until one day the Sun and the pollsters can't do it any more.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,311
    Schards said:

    Dadge said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    :-D

    Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
    Ha, Ha, there are no tories in the audience, it's 99% left
    "They've all gone quiet over there...."
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Sun's gone in. Did I miss anything. Did shit go down?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited May 2017
    Angus you cheeky scamp. Not vs the Tories in Orkney or Edinburgh West, or Dunbartonshire East :o
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    nichomar said:

    Yes the audience is biased to labour, not sure how they do it but every time they can pack the crowd

    Many a time I saw a good part of the audience just sit in their hands. They are Tories. If they don't applaud, it is not the fault of the BBC.

    Maybe the Tories in the audience are embarrassed.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    365 is a majority of 80. That would do. This really isn't the worst news.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It would be difficult to think of two characters more different than Paul Nuttall and Caroline Lucas wouldn't it, lol.
  • tim80
    tim80 Posts: 99
    The clapping at Corbyn's leadership election was a great give away, and a sign to the audience at home how unrepresentative the audience in the studio has been
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Gallowgate said:

    Dadge said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    :-D

    Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
    It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views.
    It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.

    Get your hypocrisy in check.
    But they aren't.

    You can't say you're voting for a 'better future' and then vote for people who will crash the economy (Labour).

    Economically incompetent people cannot deliver a better future especially for the most vulnerable in society that many Corbynistas speak of wanting to protect.
  • murali_s
    murali_s Posts: 3,084
    Cyclefree said:

    Pong said:

    I think Seamus Milne deserves a lot of credit for the strategy he's pursued with Corbyn.

    To take someone we all thought was unelectable outside of his base - and turn him into an (almost) viable prime minister took real skill.

    A very difficult job, very well done.

    Yes - if you're shameless to advise your leader to tell bare-faced lies in interviews, you can do well.

    Still doesn't change the fact that Corbyn lies - repeatedly.

    And the Tories don't lie? They have been lying to us over the last 7 years.

    All political parties lie - it's part of the dirty politics game!
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Pulpstar said:

    Audience crawling with momentum !

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/869993595616452609
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited May 2017
    Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.

    Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)

    EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
    May 31, 2017

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    old_labour said:

    Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.



    Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)

    EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
    May 31, 2017

    Wow. Kudos to her.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    Roger said:

    Leanne Wood is deceptively good in a 'Chance the Gardiner' sort of way.

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
  • bobajobPB
    bobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Fair play tonight to Rudd on an impossible wicket, but bowled an unplayable slider on the final question with Lucas whipping off the stumps. As for the audience, either Momentum are A1 organisers at gaming events or by Friday we'll be walking in a Corbyn wonderland.
  • Cyan
    Cyan Posts: 1,262
    edited May 2017
    Robertson: "we need a strong opposition to hold the Tories to account". Uh?

    Farron speaks well. He has the popular touch.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Now the question we are all wondering about - why isn't Leanne Wood standing? :o
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    jonny83 said:

    If it was balanced UkIP would have got some cheers mentioning the EU, Nuttall got nothing but jeers.

    Nuttall got a big round of applause on the terrorism question.
    The one about not letting Jihadists back in after they've pledged allegiance to ISIS? Yeah, I would bloody hope so!
    Labour would let them back in and argue against anyone who suggests otherwise

    https://youtu.be/pA8nABHLQQA
  • bobajobPB
    bobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Schards said:

    I think the make up of the audience will be one of the main stories of this debate

    It won't
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,311
    Tim going for it there! Lol
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/870006675318505472
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Tim Farron is a very naughty boy.
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    RobD said:

    old_labour said:

    Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.



    Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)

    EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
    May 31, 2017

    Wow. Kudos to her.
    Major kudos to her and my condolences.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    old_labour said:

    Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.

    Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)

    EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
    May 31, 2017

    Isn't it for Amber Rudd to decide what she does or doesn't want to do?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    IanB2 said:

    "Leadership is about bringing people with you" is a brave place for start for Corby!

    Will Rudd spot the open goal...?

    Got there in the end. I'm surprised the Tories haven't pushed it harder. No response from crowd, who orgasmed at Corbyn's rebuttal. Do people care that the MPs blatantly don't support Corbyn? I think they should, personally, but many people don't.

    Caroline talking about pioneering new ways with co-leaders - didn't she get rid of that when she was leader on her own in her first stint, and they've only just returned to the normal Green way.

    Overall scores

    Corbyn - 7/10 Pretty good, had some good lines, buoyed by his parts of the audience rapturously greeting his statements. Took brief hits earlier on, but that was expected - question is will people like Rudd's rebuttals of him
    Rudd - 6/10 Great start, pushing a 'sensible realism' response to concerted attack, but didn't get much opportunity later, a few stumbles
    Farron - 5/10 Punchy, got noticed at times, but with Corbyn having a good debate, his impact will be reduced
    Robertson - 6/10 Picked his moments, had some effective impacts, but some less effective. Strong opener and finish.
    Wood - 3/10 Only really seemed to have an impact vs Nuttal at the end, otherwise invisible.
    Nuttal - 4/10- Got some applause lines, took the brunt of attacks at times, and took some laughs.
    Lucas - 6/10 She's a good debater, some good moments, but not really sticking out for me. Better than Corbyn, but needed him to do worse to shine more.

    Overall impression - early on Rudd held her own, and Corbyn got some blowback from the others too, but in general they focused on Rudd from then on.

    Corbyn will be seen as the winner, but Rudd handled herself fine and I think the tories will be relatively happy.
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    ****ing hell. Genuinely funny last line by Farron.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    bobajobPB said:

    Fair play tonight to Rudd on an impossible wicket, but bowled an unplayable slider on the final question with Lucas whipping off the stumps. As for the audience, either Momentum are A1 organisers at gaming events or by Friday we'll be walking in a Corbyn wonderland.

    It's the former.

    That leadership line and the applause was the giveaway. Had it been on bread and butter issues alone, then the latter could be true.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Dadge said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.

    Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......

    :-D

    Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
    It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views.
    It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.

    Get your hypocrisy in check.
    But they aren't.

    You can't say you're voting for a 'better future' and then vote for people who will crash the economy (Labour).

    Economically incompetent people cannot deliver a better future especially for the most vulnerable in society that many Corbynistas speak of wanting to protect.
    You have been hanging round with the PB tories too long!

    Hard Brexit is the most damaging economic policy possible.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
    Tim Farron's Bake Off line was quite good. Very good, in fact.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    It was a knockout !
  • Cyan
    Cyan Posts: 1,262
    In her closing speech, Rudd didn't even mention her brand name. That's terrible advertising.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Rudd had bereavement to deal with earlier in the week.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3693764/amber-rudd-stands-up-to-debate-jeremy-corbyn-despite-death-of-elderly-father-just-days-before/?editorialView=yes
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    surbiton said:

    It was a knockout !

    For Leanne? Yes!
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    farron should have been last with that Bake Off gag.

  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Sun Politics‏Verified account @SunPolitics

    EXCL: Amber Rudd is debating Jeremy Corbyn tonight despite the death of her elderly father just days ago https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3693764/amber-rudd-stands-up-to-debate-jeremy-corbyn-despite-death-of-elderly-father-just-days-before … #BBCDebate
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