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Robertson for the first time looking silly to me - a bit over the top on the climate change stuff.0
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Any more polls tonight?0
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I'm fairly passionate that we deal with climate change. Frankly it's a much much bigger, albeit perhaps fractionally less immediate, threat than Islamic Extremism.kle4 said:
There is nothing inherently nice or nasty about a political party, left or right. May is crap, but the Tory plans are more realistic and sensible, and its between her and Corbyn.murali_s said:
Hope you have moved back to the LDs. A nice guy has no business voting for the Tories...kle4 said:
Tim's doing ok, but he's not getting anywhere near as much love from the audience even when pitching things you'd think they'd like (the left parts of it anyway).bigjohnowls said:
I think Tim is doing good.kle4 said:Poor Tim. A fairly decent, tough set of lines - not a squeak from the audience. They want Corbyn and Corbyn. With a bit of Caroline.
Is Leanne still there?
Surely he has much more in common with the Lab programme than the Tories
Corbyn really passionate about getting the americans to challenge their government to adhere to the paris agreement - is that something people are really concerned about, what the americans do and what we should say to them?0 -
Maybe Tories are just reserved.Torby_Fennel said:
That doesn't at all explain why the 40% who support them are not clapping anything though. It's bizarre.surbiton said:
It's representative of the national mood right now. 60% hate Tories.Torby_Fennel said:I think all the Conservative leaning members of the audience were made to dip their hands in a big pot of glue before taking their seats.
I think the Conservative posters on here are probably right to feel irked by the audience make up.0 -
Audience loving Corbyn's climax.0
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Question on leadership. Oh dear - a gimme given May isn't there.0
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Won't go for the obvious joke on Nuttall "I've never flip-flopped on anything"....0
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I suspect that's the point.handandmouse said:Strange question given they're not all party leaders up there
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Rudd might as well go for Corbyn since defending May in her absence is doomed to fail0
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May couldn't have gone on as she wasn't prepped. Cameron war gamed his debates for days. Once Corbyn ambushed her this morning, it was too late. Why didn't anyone see this coming - it was obvious this would happen ages ago. Corbyn is getting big cheers. I think the big mo will continue. What a mess.0
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Go Leanne!0
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Nuttall: "the Brexit that people voted for". Then he describes his own party's platform.0
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I really really
Leanne. 0 -
Paul never changed his stance Nutjob
Apart from being at Hillsboro privatising NHS living in Stoke being a Tranmere player etc etc etc0 -
It's not really on the interrupting is it?0
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His father was in Libya fighting with the jihadis. It does seem that the alarm bells didn't ring.rcs1000 said:
There were concerns raised about the individual on five separate occasions, including once by his own Imman. The problem is that there are probably thousands of people who are reported each year, such as SeanT's own dry cleaners. Most of the time it's nothing. And often people fall through the net (nothing suspicious in his mobile phone call patterns, nothing to see here, move on).tlg86 said:Was Tim right about the Manchester bomber being reported five times? What does that actually mean? And if so, why wasn't anything done?
We're getting better at tracking those we need to monitor. And for every Manchester, there are five guys who's plans are disrupted. But this is a multi-decade effort, and we're (really) only ten years in.
Modestly more resources, targeted modestly better, combined with better infiltration, and - like with the IRA and similar movements - we'll reduce Islamic terrorism to a minor, but chronic, condition. Maybe that's not enough, but that is the direction we're heading in.
Looking for a needle in a haystack is difficult, but any case like Manchester should be reviewed for lessons learned.0 -
I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.IanB2 said:
Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?
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Excellent answer on the leadership question by Rudd /s. Answer the bloody question.0
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Rudd went for the Diane Abbott line. And well worth reminding the public of the lack of support from the PLP.0
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Feck, rapturous applause for the Welsh woman who wants to maximise the divorce bill.0
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It's because of where the debate is held, probably.Torby_Fennel said:
I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.IanB2 said:
Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?0 -
Jesus Christ this audience balance...0
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Please don't mention that word. I'm still having flashbacks to monday.dixiedean said:0 -
I'm not worried murali!murali_s said:0 -
"The first rule of leadership is to show up" -Lucas0
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Corbyn can literally do no wrong in some people's eyes.0
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I'm sorry to keep going on about it, but there will be questions about this audience.0
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The easiest way to get applause is through sharp criticism, which is always difficult for a defending government. Having few policies and fewer attractive ones doesn't help.Torby_Fennel said:
I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.IanB2 said:
Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?0 -
Still think they can't game the polling panels?SeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......0 -
Wow, cheering? Are these Labour members in the audience?0
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Yes the audience is biased to labour, not sure how they do it but every time they can pack the crowd0
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Is Leanne trying to lose the vote of every divorced man in Wales ?0
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:-DSeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.0 -
We thought there wouldn't be a problem with Shy Tories at this election. I'm not so sure after the last couple of weeks.0
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First rule of leadership is to show up...good line Caroline.0
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Theresa's rightly had a kicking for hiding. And let's face it. It's not just today, it's the whole campaign.SeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
As nailed now by Farron.0 -
If there are 23,000 found to have extremist views, and 5,000 with some terrorist connection, there are likely to be many more people who have reported. I wouldn't be at all surprised if reports are in the hundreds of thousands per year, and tens of thousands of people are investigated per year. MI5 has a simply huge task to investigate all the leads it gets.rcs1000 said:There were concerns raised about the individual on five separate occasions, including once by his own Imman. The problem is that there are probably thousands of people who are reported each year, such as SeanT's own dry cleaners. Most of the time it's nothing. And often people fall through the net (nothing suspicious in his mobile phone call patterns, nothing to see here, move on).
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Audience crawling with momentum !0
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What a sh!t line by Angus there.0
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"If you want to lead the people, you have to kind of like them as well and want to spend time with them" , stinging from Tim.
Remember the spinners earlier saying this would be ferrets in a sack attacking Corbyn. LOL0 -
If it was balanced UkIP would have got some cheers mentioning the EU, Nuttall got nothing but jeers.0
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The secret is to first win over the people, then the panels and audience will follow.MarqueeMark said:
Still think they can't game the polling panels?SeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......0 -
Or Tory supporters can.MarqueeMark said:
Still think they can't game the polling panels?SeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......0 -
Yes - if you're shameless to advise your leader to tell bare-faced lies in interviews, you can do well.Pong said:I think Seamus Milne deserves a lot of credit for the strategy he's pursued with Corbyn.
To take someone we all thought was unelectable outside of his base - and turn him into an (almost) viable prime minister took real skill.
A very difficult job, very well done.
Still doesn't change the fact that Corbyn lies - repeatedly.
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It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views.Dadge said:
:-DSeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.
Get your hypocrisy in check.0 -
We game the election.Cyan said:
Or Tory supporters can.MarqueeMark said:
Still think they can't game the polling panels?SeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
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LOL. If audience members are clapping because Corbyn said that he was elected by 300k members, then it's likely that they are on the left/activists, and not representative.Monksfield said:
Theresa's rightly had a kicking for hiding. And let's face it. It's not just today, it's the whole campaign.SeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
As nailed now by Farron.
In my family there are quite a few that are not happy with TMay at all, but they wouldn't be clapping everytime Corbyn breathed either.0 -
Ha, Ha, there are no tories in the audience, it's 99% leftDadge said:
:-DSeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.0 -
May should have shown up. But Amber Rudd has done an excellent job tonight showing the depth of the Tory team in contrast to Labour.0
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The one about not letting Jihadists back in after they've pledged allegiance to ISIS? Yeah, I would bloody hope so!IanB2 said:
Nuttall got a big round of applause on the terrorism question.jonny83 said:If it was balanced UkIP would have got some cheers mentioning the EU, Nuttall got nothing but jeers.
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Tough gig for Rudd - think she's done OK
Nuttall won on immigration and terrorism.
Farron - It's all about me - bit kooky.
Corbyn - another assured performance
Audience very left wing - people at home will see that.
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Leanne Wood is deceptively good in a 'Chance the Gardener' sort of way.0
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Until one day the Sun and the pollsters can't do it any more.RobD said:
We game the election.Cyan said:
Or Tory supporters can.MarqueeMark said:
Still think they can't game the polling panels?SeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......0 -
"They've all gone quiet over there...."Schards said:
Ha, Ha, there are no tories in the audience, it's 99% leftDadge said:
:-DSeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.0 -
Sun's gone in. Did I miss anything. Did shit go down?0
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Angus you cheeky scamp. Not vs the Tories in Orkney or Edinburgh West, or Dunbartonshire East
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Many a time I saw a good part of the audience just sit in their hands. They are Tories. If they don't applaud, it is not the fault of the BBC.nichomar said:Yes the audience is biased to labour, not sure how they do it but every time they can pack the crowd
Maybe the Tories in the audience are embarrassed.0 -
365 is a majority of 80. That would do. This really isn't the worst news.0
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It would be difficult to think of two characters more different than Paul Nuttall and Caroline Lucas wouldn't it, lol.0
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The clapping at Corbyn's leadership election was a great give away, and a sign to the audience at home how unrepresentative the audience in the studio has been0
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But they aren't.Gallowgate said:
It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views.Dadge said:
:-DSeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.
Get your hypocrisy in check.
You can't say you're voting for a 'better future' and then vote for people who will crash the economy (Labour).
Economically incompetent people cannot deliver a better future especially for the most vulnerable in society that many Corbynistas speak of wanting to protect.0 -
And the Tories don't lie? They have been lying to us over the last 7 years.Cyclefree said:
Yes - if you're shameless to advise your leader to tell bare-faced lies in interviews, you can do well.Pong said:I think Seamus Milne deserves a lot of credit for the strategy he's pursued with Corbyn.
To take someone we all thought was unelectable outside of his base - and turn him into an (almost) viable prime minister took real skill.
A very difficult job, very well done.
Still doesn't change the fact that Corbyn lies - repeatedly.
All political parties lie - it's part of the dirty politics game!0 -
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/869993595616452609Pulpstar said:Audience crawling with momentum !
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Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.
Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
May 31, 2017
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Wow. Kudos to her.old_labour said:Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.
Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
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Fair play tonight to Rudd on an impossible wicket, but bowled an unplayable slider on the final question with Lucas whipping off the stumps. As for the audience, either Momentum are A1 organisers at gaming events or by Friday we'll be walking in a Corbyn wonderland.0
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Robertson: "we need a strong opposition to hold the Tories to account". Uh?
Farron speaks well. He has the popular touch.0 -
Now the question we are all wondering about - why isn't Leanne Wood standing? 0
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Labour would let them back in and argue against anyone who suggests otherwiseRobD said:
The one about not letting Jihadists back in after they've pledged allegiance to ISIS? Yeah, I would bloody hope so!IanB2 said:
Nuttall got a big round of applause on the terrorism question.jonny83 said:If it was balanced UkIP would have got some cheers mentioning the EU, Nuttall got nothing but jeers.
https://youtu.be/pA8nABHLQQA0 -
Tim going for it there! Lol0
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Tim Farron is a very naughty boy.0
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Major kudos to her and my condolences.RobD said:
Wow. Kudos to her.old_labour said:Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.
Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
May 31, 20170 -
Isn't it for Amber Rudd to decide what she does or doesn't want to do?old_labour said:Disgusting of Theresa May to hide from the debate at Cambridge after this happened.
Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
May 31, 20170 -
Got there in the end. I'm surprised the Tories haven't pushed it harder. No response from crowd, who orgasmed at Corbyn's rebuttal. Do people care that the MPs blatantly don't support Corbyn? I think they should, personally, but many people don't.IanB2 said:"Leadership is about bringing people with you" is a brave place for start for Corby!
Will Rudd spot the open goal...?
Caroline talking about pioneering new ways with co-leaders - didn't she get rid of that when she was leader on her own in her first stint, and they've only just returned to the normal Green way.
Overall scores
Corbyn - 7/10 Pretty good, had some good lines, buoyed by his parts of the audience rapturously greeting his statements. Took brief hits earlier on, but that was expected - question is will people like Rudd's rebuttals of him
Rudd - 6/10 Great start, pushing a 'sensible realism' response to concerted attack, but didn't get much opportunity later, a few stumbles
Farron - 5/10 Punchy, got noticed at times, but with Corbyn having a good debate, his impact will be reduced
Robertson - 6/10 Picked his moments, had some effective impacts, but some less effective. Strong opener and finish.
Wood - 3/10 Only really seemed to have an impact vs Nuttal at the end, otherwise invisible.
Nuttal - 4/10- Got some applause lines, took the brunt of attacks at times, and took some laughs.
Lucas - 6/10 She's a good debater, some good moments, but not really sticking out for me. Better than Corbyn, but needed him to do worse to shine more.
Overall impression - early on Rudd held her own, and Corbyn got some blowback from the others too, but in general they focused on Rudd from then on.
Corbyn will be seen as the winner, but Rudd handled herself fine and I think the tories will be relatively happy.0 -
****ing hell. Genuinely funny last line by Farron.0
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It's the former.bobajobPB said:Fair play tonight to Rudd on an impossible wicket, but bowled an unplayable slider on the final question with Lucas whipping off the stumps. As for the audience, either Momentum are A1 organisers at gaming events or by Friday we'll be walking in a Corbyn wonderland.
That leadership line and the applause was the giveaway. Had it been on bread and butter issues alone, then the latter could be true.0 -
You have been hanging round with the PB tories too long!The_Apocalypse said:
But they aren't.Gallowgate said:
It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views.Dadge said:
:-DSeanT said:Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.
Get your hypocrisy in check.
You can't say you're voting for a 'better future' and then vote for people who will crash the economy (Labour).
Economically incompetent people cannot deliver a better future especially for the most vulnerable in society that many Corbynistas speak of wanting to protect.
Hard Brexit is the most damaging economic policy possible.0 -
Tim Farron's Bake Off line was quite good. Very good, in fact.0
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It was a knockout !0
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In her closing speech, Rudd didn't even mention her brand name. That's terrible advertising.0
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Rudd had bereavement to deal with earlier in the week.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3693764/amber-rudd-stands-up-to-debate-jeremy-corbyn-despite-death-of-elderly-father-just-days-before/?editorialView=yes0 -
farron should have been last with that Bake Off gag.
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