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Not watching but I'm surprised people are surprised by Rudd. She was excellent in the Brexit debate.
Remember the quip Boris about driving home? She gets stuck in.0 -
Indeed. Should have sent the foreign secretary.Richard_Nabavi said:When I suggested, about 18 months ago, that Amber Rudd might be the next Conservative leader, my suggestion was treated with derision by the usual suspects, and the bookies didn't even have her listed (despite the fact that she was already a Cabinet minister). In the event, the change of leadership came too early for her, but next time is quite possible. It's interesting that Theresa May has given her such a prominent place in her government and this campaign.
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Out canvassing. Who's winning?0
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Not a great answer from Jezza.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn losing it over immigration
But as Nutjob said Tory targets are Jackanory they have increased it to record levels0 -
And I have no doubt the inevitable post debate poll will show Corbyn won, hands down. Means nothing.SeanT said:
Stick to the weeds. It's like Question Time with a leftier audience.MarqueeMark said:Should I watch it - or carrying on pulling up weeds?
No one is excelling, no one is bombing, no votes will shift.0 -
Leanne's there?foxinsoxuk said:0 -
She didn't win though!GideonWise said:Not watching but I'm surprised people are surprised by Rudd. She was excellent in the Brexit debate.
Remember the quip Boris about driving home? She gets stuck in.0 -
Seen enough in 30 mins to know May would not have done a better job than Rudd so far. Remains to be seen how much damage May will get from her no show, but if Rudd keeps landing these blows on Corbyn it might be less of a factor.0
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'Strong and Stable' ?GIN1138 said:
Everyone said that about the referendum - "Vote Leave - Take Back Control"El_Capitano said:Rudd is unapologetically repeating and repeating the Crosby lines. I presume this works in the aggregate as otherwise Crosby wouldn't do it, but it looks astonishingly robotic to me.
And 2015 election "Long term economic plan"
These "lines" do work with floaters.
Remember the vast majority of voters don't follow politics and only pick up the occasional bit of information and sound-bite.0 -
Ta!SeanT said:
Stick to the weeds. It's like Question Time with a leftier audience.MarqueeMark said:Should I watch it - or carrying on pulling up weeds?
No one is excelling, no one is bombing, no votes will shift.
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Robertson going on about people being able to stay in Scotland - some SNP MPs will have that opportunity soon!!!0
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It is the coalition of chaos writ large.
Labour, propped up by the SNP et al, can't agree on a single thing0 -
Nuttall surprises on the upside. Robertson is a sanctimonious w**nker.0
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I'd love to live in Scotland, and would hate to live in London personally. Might go up there when I retire.0
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Every vote for Corbyn will steal a little bit from my soul.0
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I wouldn't be so sure. If for no other reason than the lefty vote in the snap poll will be more split, but also Amber Rudd is really rather assured.kle4 said:
And I have no doubt the inevitable post debate poll will show Corbyn won, hands down. Means nothing.SeanT said:
Stick to the weeds. It's like Question Time with a leftier audience.MarqueeMark said:Should I watch it - or carrying on pulling up weeds?
No one is excelling, no one is bombing, no votes will shift.0 -
Caroline Lucas and Tim Farron doing Labour a favour, making Labour look tough on immigration and Eurosceptic by comparison!0
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Yes, it should be the PC at Westminster that is represented, and UKIP too of course.GIN1138 said:
Leanne's there?foxinsoxuk said:0 -
Everyone is punching the one guy who has already been knocked out.0
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where is Theresa May?0
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Oh fair enoughQuincel said:
He's referring to this story:isam said:Tim's making up anecdotes now
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/hero-surgeon-who-spent-48-13105168
Agree it's a slightly tenuous to link it to Brexit, I like to think he was linking it to UKIP's approach more generally.
If virtue signalling could be transformed into energy, that room would be able to power the City of London for about a decade0 -
Serious question why no N Ireland parties? 95% of you can't vote Plaid.GIN1138 said:
Leanne's there?foxinsoxuk said:0 -
If the event of a possible 'coalition of chaos' that'd be a good thing. Little chance for Corbyn to pass any crazy stuff he might be thinking of.Scott_P said:It is the coalition of chaos writ large.
Labour, propped up by the SNP et al, can't agree on a single thing0 -
The Brexit debate??? Her side lost! She was bettered by her number two - Loathsome.GideonWise said:Not watching but I'm surprised people are surprised by Rudd. She was excellent in the Brexit debate.
Remember the quip Boris about driving home? She gets stuck in.0 -
Looks like CON gain Moray0
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Eh, depends how judge each person, who have different measures for success. Farron is getting a chance to be seen at least, Robertson sits back before weighing in magisterially, Corbyn gets a chance to get righteously angry and gets great applause for it, Rudd gets to play the serious politician, Wood...er, gets to be there. And Nuttal gets some limelight.TOPPING said:Out canvassing. Who's winning?
Wow, finally a Green on Labour attack, if mild.
Robertson laying it on a bit thick suggesting, in effect, that no one watching at home would have a problem with immigration. No one? He's good though, dignified, authoritative, convincing, playing to his audience well.0 -
Yep still a problem for Labisam said:Nuttall correct isn't he? The polls always say the public want less immigration
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Robertson says the first thing he would do is guarantee the rights of foreign EU citizens. Does he realise what he's saying?
Tory majority has drifted to 1.22-1.23.0 -
Corbyn looking like he'd be bullied by the SNP in coalition.0
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SkivingbobajobPB said:where is Theresa May?
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Corbyn doing triangulation a'hoy on immigration.0
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"Did you not notice we had a referendum?"
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Nuttall doing some dirty work for the tories, people who like his arguments will mostly vote Tory. Meanwhile, the 'progressive parties' tearing each other apart0
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Corbyn is struggling because he has Rudd and the other lefty parties taking shots at him. Rudd has faced some group attacks but has handled them well.0
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Paul Nuttall is the only one to have won Olympic gold.0
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Corbyn - Robertson having a real go at each other0
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Rudd set a trap and they all walked into it - Coalition of Chaos!0
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Depends - people would say that the LDs weren't able to stop the Tories doing anything they wanted.The_Apocalypse said:
If the event of a possible 'coalition of chaos' that'd be a good thing. Little chance for Corbyn to pass any crazy stuff he might be thinking of.Scott_P said:It is the coalition of chaos writ large.
Labour, propped up by the SNP et al, can't agree on a single thing
Corbyn now having to be more realistic, less righteous anger at punishing the disabled and so on, more 'well, this is complicated' stuff.0 -
I think they lost a court case against the broadcasters in 2015 and it was decided they didn't have to be invited.welshowl said:
Serious question why no N Ireland parties? 95% of you can't vote Plaid.GIN1138 said:
Leanne's there?foxinsoxuk said:
Don't ask me why - If Plaid and SNP are there so should the Northern Irish.
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Her dithering over whether to stand in the Rhondda was a mistake.welshowl said:
Why folk on here admire her is beyond me. She's dreadful.Ave_it said:Leanne whatever her name is, is dreadful
LAB hold Rhondda
Hard to know who will be the first to fall on their sword in the early hours of June 8th.
Probably one of Leanne, Tim and Nuttall. Depending on what happens could be Theresa and Nicola as well.
At least Jazza is safe.0 -
Only one looks Prime Ministerial and it's Rudd...0
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Well, yes. But in fairness, value signalling at least isn't unfair (imho) from politicians in an election.isam said:
Oh fair enoughQuincel said:
He's referring to this story:isam said:Tim's making up anecdotes now
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/hero-surgeon-who-spent-48-13105168
Agree it's a slightly tenuous to link it to Brexit, I like to think he was linking it to UKIP's approach more generally.
If virtue signalling could be transformed into energy, that room would be able to power the City of London for about a decade0 -
Yes but she was the best performer on her side and had the more difficult hand to play. I was for Brexit and she had me spitting feathers - she done good.SandyRentool said:
The Brexit debate??? Her side lost! She was bettered by her number two - Loathsome.GideonWise said:Not watching but I'm surprised people are surprised by Rudd. She was excellent in the Brexit debate.
Remember the quip Boris about driving home? She gets stuck in.0 -
There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!0
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Crickey, I agree with Lucas on scrapping HS2 and Hinckley Point!0
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Sounds like over half the audience want to scrap trident0
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Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.0
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One thing Corbyn can be relied upon to do is to stick to his policies, after all he has done so for 35 years in Westminster.tlg86 said:Corbyn looking like he'd be bullied by the SNP in coalition.
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Leanne wood trying to get in a line about Tories-UKIP being the real coalition of chaos, didn't really get noticed.
Expected attack from the Greens about Rudd being on the Remain side, dealt with about as you'd expect.0 -
The Tory logo is a money tree.bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
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Great line by Rudd Re Angus "No referendum result he won't accept"
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Er BJO think they pay enough already! Top 1% pay 27% of income tax!! Let's slash benefits (should have put it in the manifesto)!!!bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
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Question that all parties are promising more money for public services - Tories will be happy, as they'll be accused of not promising that!0
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Well quite. The DUP will get more MPs than Plaid and may get more than the Libs.GIN1138 said:
I think they lost a court case against the broadcasters in 2015 and it was decided they didn't have to be invited.welshowl said:
Serious question why no N Ireland parties? 95% of you can't vote Plaid.GIN1138 said:
Leanne's there?foxinsoxuk said:
Don't ask me why - If Plaid and SNP are there so should the Northern Irish.
They should be there...0 -
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Yep that audience is not balanced at all.0
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Litreally wrapped in the Union Flag to boot!Jonathan said:
The Tory logo is a money tree.bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
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Rudd jeered againisam said:Rudd set a trap and they all walked into it - Coalition of Chaos!
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Lucas is RIGHT on nuclear weapons, HS2 and Hinkley Point ! I accept I'm in the minority on the first though
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In those few seconds, he looked like an old man who didn't know what was happening. Not a good look.foxinsoxuk said:
One thing Corbyn can be relied upon to do is to stick to his policies, after all he has done so for 35 years in Westminster.tlg86 said:Corbyn looking like he'd be bullied by the SNP in coalition.
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The Greens are right - the money in this country is in the wrong hands; not mine.0
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Radio 4 today had two people saying they were lifelong Labour and now voting Tory because they didn't like Jeremy Corbyn (cheques in the post?), and one person who said she was voting Labour but either she wasn't asked her reason or they cut out the reason she gave. Tonight they'll be playing "God save the queen", not the Internationale.kjohnw said:
not getting involved with the coalition of chaos with the rigged bbc audiencebobajobPB said:where is Theresa May?
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Bad optics there, crowd laughing at 'judge us on our record'. It's not a terrible line, but they cannot play that clip to convince people!0
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Not sure about the first. I'd want us to sign some sort of deal with the US and/or France. I want the security of nukes, just not sure we need to have our own system.Pulpstar said:Lucas is RIGHT on nuclear weapons, HS2 and Hinkley Point ! I accept I'm in the minority on the first though
HS2 and Hinkley Point should go!0 -
I think the make up of the audience will be one of the main stories of this debate0
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Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
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Errm except for the small matter of having voted and campaigned against the EU continuously for 40 years until about 18 months ago for some strange reason. Always bemuses me that people forget that.foxinsoxuk said:
One thing Corbyn can be relied upon to do is to stick to his policies, after all he has done so for 35 years in Westminster.tlg86 said:Corbyn looking like he'd be bullied by the SNP in coalition.
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Chunks of it will leave via Terminal 5 pdq post a Jezza budget.bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
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You have to remember this is Cambridge; even the Tories are socially liberal there. The immigration question in a city hugely dependent on foreign students and foreign connections wasn't the best one to judge the left/right balance of the audience.LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
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Yes but you are meant to collect the fruit, not chop the tree down as Corbyn and McDonnell plan to do.Jonathan said:
The Tory logo is a money tree.bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
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Thxkle4 said:
Eh, depends how judge each person, who have different measures for success. Farron is getting a chance to be seen at least, Robertson sits back before weighing in magisterially, Corbyn gets a chance to get righteously angry and gets great applause for it, Rudd gets to play the serious politician, Wood...er, gets to be there. And Nuttal gets some limelight.TOPPING said:Out canvassing. Who's winning?
Wow, finally a Green on Labour attack, if mild.
Robertson laying it on a bit thick suggesting, in effect, that no one watching at home would have a problem with immigration. No one? He's good though, dignified, authoritative, convincing, playing to his audience well.0 -
What benefits you thinking of slashing Mr Ave It?Ave_it said:
Er BJO think they pay enough already! Top 1% pay 27% of income tax!! Let's slash benefits (should have put it in the manifesto)!!!bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
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Quite possibly. But no way are 52% of the audience erstwhile Leavers.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
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Jezza not doing much reassurance of the "sums adding up", I have to admit. But many people watching will share his raw anger at the terrible state of the country, and MIGHT just Trump-style decide to emotionally lash out, to hell with the practicalities.0
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How unlike May, the U turn expert (Rudd too of course!), the difference is that Corbyn does believe in Brexit.JonWC said:
Errm except for the small matter of having voted and campaigned against the EU continuously for 40 years until about 18 months ago for some strange reason. Always bemuses me that people forget that.foxinsoxuk said:
One thing Corbyn can be relied upon to do is to stick to his policies, after all he has done so for 35 years in Westminster.tlg86 said:Corbyn looking like he'd be bullied by the SNP in coalition.
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MIshal mentioning Corbyn's brainfart yesterday - not sure the audience liked that, thought I heard some ourtrage.
If the Tories were this unpopular Labour would not have needed the crap manifesto to recover, they wouldn't have lost the locals so badly.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
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I see all the lefties are sitting in the front row.0
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It was bad but worth remembering it wasn't as bad as the polls.kle4 said:MIshal mentioning Corbyn's brainfart yesterday - not sure the audience liked that, thought I heard some ourtrage.
If the Tories were this unpopular Labour would not have needed the crap manifesto to recover, they wouldn't have lost the locals so badly.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
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I can't help think that "watching" this via PB comments from Provence is far more relaxing than the real thing. The outcomes seem simple though: Blue can't underperform unless Rudd does something truly awful (she won't) but there isn't any upside either. They've taken the hit through May's chicken apologia on the 6 o'clock news and can now move on. No further upside for Red either - Corbyn has to avoid doing anything stupider than he has in the last fortnight so he doesn't take the gloss off his increasingly shiny reputation. Like an England cricket supporter, he could avoid disaster for two years straight and I'd still be behind the sofa. Farron - well, the only way is up I guess, but I'm not sure he'll find the ladder.0
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The audience sounds like a Corbyn cult, from what's being said on here.0
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Rudd won't be thanked for mentioning May's absence voluntarily!0
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Have to admit, the audience is annoying me.0
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This audience 'balance' is a disgrace.0
