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I thought May was fine, and stood up to Paxman well.
Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
Of course, that equivocation might have not been entirely accidental: something for both Remainers and Leavers to take away from her answer on Brexit there.
The worse bit was the blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire, but there's not much May could do about responding to that.0 -
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Watching "Doctor in the House"bigjohnowls said:
Oh dear what does Mrs Pulpstar sayPulpstar said:4 rounds to Jez, 3 to May. Knockout stoppage victory for May by Falklands in round 8.
Jezza won every round
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People have been celebrating her performance on here? Must have missed it...Chris said:I can't help feeling that if Theresa May collapsed on the floor in a gibbering heap, mumbling that she couldn't take any more, some Tories here would praise it as a bravura performance. And if Jeremy Corbyn waded into the audience with a machete, some on the other side would be saying he's done quite well all things considered.
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It looks like a score draw, then.0
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Clearly a totally pointless exercise to determine the outcome of of this QT thing from the comments on here.
Totally predictable.
And was this QT thing ever going to tell us anything?
What is the criteria by which supposedly intelligent people judge our leaders?
Has anyone ever seen the pre TV statements from politicians to the public? How do they go down now? But is that an indicator of their abilities as statesmen?0 -
I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.Scott_P said:
No, she didn't.Pulpstar said:Scott, she said she'd walk away. Whether she will or not is another matter, but she needs to give the impression to the EU that she will.
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Look on the bright side for Corbyn; the lengthy list of questions about his attitude to foreign affairs thirty years ago always means that his back-of-an-envelope economic policies for the next five years never get any real scrutiny.0
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If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.
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Ed Balls turned a safe Labour seat Conservative.SeanT said:She improved towards the end (I'm watching it on a 5 minute delay)
But she's really not tele-friendly.
Ed Balls as Labour leader offering Soft Brexit would beat her by 50/30.
There seems to be an increasing differential to how things are viewed from inside and outside the M25.0 -
I have wondered, given how she has presented since the Brexit vote, whether she was suggesting she had realised she was wrong to back remain in the first place, or if she accepted that however good a deal she thinks we can get, it will not be as good as remaining. Or as some of her early supporters bizarrely thought, that she was really a leaver. I was always prepared, in the absence of evidence, to assume she told the truth and that she felt remaining was best, but is dealing with the aftermath.Pulpstar said:
"I'd have preferred to remain" Headlines from the papers.bobajobPB said:Why didn't she just say that no she hasn't changed her mind, she preferred to Remain but will work for the best Leave? Would that have been so bad?
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One for the new band of Corbo lovers... who cares if they loved the IRA, at least they're not Tories eh?
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Maybe I think though Corbyn played Paxo quite well, elongated the trivia so there was less time for the serious questions. May ended well which might save her.midwinter said:
Corbyn was better with the audience, May was better with Paxman.bigjohnowls said:
Oh dear what does Mrs Pulpstar sayPulpstar said:4 rounds to Jez, 3 to May. Knockout stoppage victory for May by Falklands in round 8.
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Again, that's the whole point.TudorRose said:I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.
She made the slogan clear, but when asked to confirm she would take no deal, she refused.0 -
Overall I think Corbyn did the hopey changey stuff well. He also did quite frankly a great job in front of the audience.
His problem was he got utterly skewered on the drone strike/falklands stuff.
If he didn't have the baggage he'd have won that by a country mile. What will be interesting is whether the papers seize on the last 5 minutes and run with it. My suspicion is they will.
May was dull and stuttering. She did a good job on the social care stuff and was saved by Paxo on Brexit at the end. No blood was drawn.
We'll now see how the media plays it. My guess is tomorrow will be all about Corbyn's baggage. Which will suit the Tories.0 -
I think Corbyn's Falklands comment is a gaffe. Not sure how he will be able to get away from calling it a Tory plot. That's what crazy conspiracy types would say.The_Taxman said:
Do you really think elections i.e. seats are won or lost by stuff like this on TV? As long as they don't make a massive gaffe I don't think it changes a single vote. All this crap about wobbles are advanced by the media to make a story. The actual ground war where seats are lost and won is a different proposition. You can win the election in terms of seats convincingly yet not do that well in the media. I don't think when people hear Corbyn talk about spending significantly more money without a viable plan to raise revenue, they believe him. May is such a clear front runner that it is the only hope of the media to try and winkle out some area where she does not have such a solid lead. Every election campaign runs on similar narratives the only difference is Labour and the Tories switch sides in the narrative depending on who is starting out on top and likely to win. The media will talk about a last minute surge to the Tories next week or late swing.SeanT said:She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.0 -
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If we walk over the cliff edge then it will be the electorate who told the government to do so. Is the line that I understand.FF43 said:
I think it matters because it sets expectations. You can't go into a negotiation expecting to get a bad deal. The problem is that any Brexit deal will be worse than what we have already. That's the consequence of the vote to Leave. There is a need to get the best deal we can, whatever it is. The risk is that the best deal won't meet the unrealistic expectations and we walk away over the cliff edge.TOPPING said:
She is head of the party which was and again hopes to be be charged with making Brexit happen. What she thought, or what Jezza thinks, is unimportant. It is to balance the wish of the majority of the country with perceived best interests of the country economically (because economically is all there is that can be dropped on your foot).FF43 said:The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.
The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
People conflate the Cons with Brexiteers, which roughly corresponds to the truth, but is irrelevant to the task at hand. It isn't fair that the Cons will be penalised for Brexit, but then that's the way it goes.
It does worry me. Brexit was not a sensible decision as I far as was concerned but we are where are. We need to the best of it. That includes having the best arrangement going forward thatt we can get. She could screw this up.
As I have said many times on here, I believe that any government could say that we will stay in the single market and continue with FoM and as long as we "leave the EU", everyone should be happy. But they wouldn't be and I think any politician who disregarded the will of the people to such an extent would be penalised at the next available opportunity.
The reality is that we will be poorer as a result of Brexit. But we would be poorer as a result of a Labour government and we manage to survive it. In both instances, of course, it is those who can least afford it who suffer most but each of those still has a vote.0 -
I think about 45% prefer jelly and blancmange to 32% for red meat and 10% for vegetarian quiche ....MarkSenior said:More wibbly and wobbly than a Jelly and Blancmange Pudding
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The_Taxman said:
Do you really think elections i.e. seats are won or lost by stuff like this on TV? As long as they don't make a massive gaffe I don't think it changes a single vote. All this crap about wobbles are advanced by the media to make a story. The actual ground war where seats are lost and won is a different proposition. You can win the election in terms of seats convincingly yet not do that well in the media. I don't think when people hear Corbyn talk about spending significantly more money without a viable plan to raise revenue, they believe him. May is such a clear front runner that it is the only hope of the media to try and winkle out some area where she does not have such a solid lead. Every election campaign runs on similar narratives the only difference is Labour and the Tories switch sides in the narrative depending on who is starting out on top and likely to win. The media will talk about a last minute surge to the Tories next week or late swing. I don't believe this actually happens rather it is a convenient term used to explain how opinion polls have been adjusted throughout an election campaign to make a story.SeanT said:She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.0 -
I presume 'no one remembers' is a euphemism for 'no-one cares', since people use the former quite a bit on things younger people are perfectly capable of remembering and it is stupid to suggest they don't. On the Falklands, for one thing it crops up in the news every few years for one reason or another, I'm sure people under 45 notice it to some degree.HaroldO said:
I'm 34 and watched "An ungentlemanly act" last week, in fact most of my friends remember it and none of them are over 45.surbiton said:No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
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I am a Conservative supporter. I am biased. But I genuinely don't think Mrs May did badly in the interview. But Paxman didn't let her (nor Corbyn) speak initially, but she didn't make any big errors. Would I have given her a standing ovation as one in the audience did? No. She doesn't have rousing soundbites. Could she think faster on her feet? Probably. But I guess most of us could when nervous. The public know she is knowledgeable (good use of stats), dependable and completely serious in comparison to Mr Corbyn. She has also got years of experience in government and that is invaluable in these Brexit times. I would also hazard a guess she is far closer to the public's political compass than Mr Corbyn is too.0
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Ditto, Jonathan.Jonathan said:May
First half 6/10
Second Half 6/10
Corbyn 15 - May 12
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Then your judgement may well be sounder than many others on here! Since it not only wasn't up for grabs, but you aren't backing either of the two on display.Torby_Fennel said:If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.0 -
I thought May was worse with Paxo, although both were poor. It would have been better if they had each been asked similar questions on key policy areas - Brexit, health, etc.- rather than Paxo focusing on what he felt were the personal weaknesses of each leader.foxinsoxuk said:
Paxman made her very weak and wobbly.midwinter said:
Corbyn was better with the audience, May was better with Paxman.bigjohnowls said:
Oh dear what does Mrs Pulpstar sayPulpstar said:4 rounds to Jez, 3 to May. Knockout stoppage victory for May by Falklands in round 8.
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Paxman should have been quicker and asked her if remaining was better than no deal.Scott_P said:
Again, that's the whole point.TudorRose said:I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.
She made the slogan clear, but when asked to confirm she would take no deal, she refused.0 -
I know someone who worked for the CCHQ at the last election, he said shows like this are what you can clip and use against your opponents in attack ads.
In 2015 it was Ed Miliband saying the last Labour government hadn't overspent
In 2017 it will be Corbyn's response/quote about The Falklands War/Tory plot.0 -
Casino_Royale said:
I thought May was fine, and stood up to Paxman well.
Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
;-)RobD said:
People have been celebrating her performance on here? Must have missed it...0 -
Thought Jezza did better with the audience; Tezza with Paxman0
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Fine counts as celebrating now?Chris said:Casino_Royale said:I thought May was fine, and stood up to Paxman well.
Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
;-)RobD said:
People have been celebrating her performance on here? Must have missed it...0 -
Simpler times in a way. Comments not focus-grouped, less fear of being reported out of context, no interruptions from the interviewer, more decorum and respect all round.jonny83 said:
Maggie was in a completely different league.williamglenn said:
This was almost the same format and she did very well:SeanT said:I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.
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But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
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She had one job for 6 years get immigration downJamesM said:I am a Conservative supporter. I am biased. But I genuinely don't think Mrs May did badly in the interview. But Paxman didn't let her (nor Corbyn) speak initially, but she didn't make any big errors. Would I have given her a standing ovation as one in the audience did? No. She doesn't have rousing soundbites. Could she think faster on her feet? Probably. But I guess most of us could when nervous. The public know she is knowledgeable (good use of stats), dependable and completely serious in comparison to Mr Corbyn. She has also got years of experience in government and that is invaluable in these Brexit times. I would also hazard a guess she is far closer to the public's political compass than Mr Corbyn is too.
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that should be enough to finish any opposition party. strange timesisam said:One for the new band of Corbo lovers... who cares if they loved the IRA, at least they're not Tories eh?
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What was the Falklands quote?0
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I doubt more than a million or 2 watched it anyway, it was not a head to head and on C4, I doubt it changes anything, neither had an outstanding performance it seems eitherTorby_Fennel said:If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.0 -
McDonnell doesn't get nearly as much stick as he should, he's far worse than Corbyn. Corbyn has (misguided) principles, McDonnell knows he's a nasty piece of work but unlike Corbyn has the ability to lie through his teeth.isam said:One for the new band of Corbo lovers... who cares if they loved the IRA, at least they're not Tories eh?
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/670534592424771584
This guy could be the next Chancellor.0 -
Yes, that seems like today's take away. It's made him look like the crazy person he is in reality rather than the lies he's been telling lately.TheScreamingEagles said:I know someone who worked for the CCHQ at the last election, he said shows like this are what you can clip and use against your opponents in attack ads.
In 2015 it was Ed Miliband saying the last Labour government hadn't overspent
In 2017 it will be Corbyn's response/quote about The Falklands War/Tory plot.0 -
They might tell the kids about it too.Sean_F said:
Voters aged over 45 do, and they vote in big numbers.surbiton said:No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
I wasn't about in WW2 but I still know I wouldn't vote for someone who sided w the Nazis. I think the lefties are failing to give youngsters any credit if they think they don't care because it was before their time0 -
That would give her 3 years as PM assuming we sign an end deal on time?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
"I've achieved my aim, and it took everything I had, so now time to hand over to a new leader to take us forward into the post Brexit age"?0 -
Well, reading the comments was interesting. They remind me of Crick et al when they shout offensive questions to politicians as they are going into and out of 10, Downing Street. People mock the 1950s interviews on TV with their fawning, but is this really better, or more informative ?
Why do politicians put themselves through this sort of event except because they can't avoid them ?
May was totally right not the go for the seven in a ring event the left demanded.0 -
That is why debates are better than this format. Everyone responds to the same question. They also get the time to consider before they speak.IanB2 said:
I thought May was worse with Paxo, although both were poor. It would have been better if they had each been asked similar questions on key policy areas - Brexit, health, etc.- rather than Paxo focusing on what he felt were the personal weaknesses of each leader.foxinsoxuk said:
Paxman made her very weak and wobbly.midwinter said:
Corbyn was better with the audience, May was better with Paxman.bigjohnowls said:
Oh dear what does Mrs Pulpstar sayPulpstar said:4 rounds to Jez, 3 to May. Knockout stoppage victory for May by Falklands in round 8.
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Energy customers have a choice, rail passengers don't?another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
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When I scanned the comments I thought you'd said "Pray for May" instead of "Par for May".RobD said:
Fine counts as celebrating now?Chris said:Casino_Royale said:I thought May was fine, and stood up to Paxman well.
Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
;-)RobD said:
People have been celebrating her performance on here? Must have missed it...0 -
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"And Fatah" brought up by Jez himself.TheScreamingEagles said:I know someone who worked for the CCHQ at the last election, he said shows like this are what you can clip and use against your opponents in attack ads.
In 2015 it was Ed Miliband saying the last Labour government hadn't overspent
In 2017 it will be Corbyn's response/quote about The Falklands War/Tory plot.0 -
The problem is, all this is coming out in the Telegraph. Talk about preaching to the converted.kjohnw said:
that should be enough to finish any opposition party. strange timesisam said:One for the new band of Corbo lovers... who cares if they loved the IRA, at least they're not Tories eh?
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LOL. That was my comment before the debate.williamglenn said:
When I scanned the comments I thought you'd said "Pray for May" instead of "Par for May".RobD said:
Fine counts as celebrating now?Chris said:Casino_Royale said:I thought May was fine, and stood up to Paxman well.
Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
;-)RobD said:
People have been celebrating her performance on here? Must have missed it...
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The contemporary Labour Party is morally bankrupt.kjohnw said:
that should be enough to finish any opposition party. strange timesisam said:One for the new band of Corbo lovers... who cares if they loved the IRA, at least they're not Tories eh?
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/670534592424771584
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ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
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That wasn't the impression I got. The impression I got was that she couldn't understand why Paxman was repeating the question when she thought she'd already answered it.Scott_P said:
Again, that's the whole point.TudorRose said:I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.
She made the slogan clear, but when asked to confirm she would take no deal, she refused.0 -
Is that a new culinary ARSE ?JackW said:
I think about 45% prefer jelly and blancmange to 32% for red meat and 10% for vegetarian quiche ....MarkSenior said:More wibbly and wobbly than a Jelly and Blancmange Pudding
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I REALLY thought this would have been a US style head-to-head debate!
BITTERLY disappointed on that front
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Still May by a mile. But it will be a phyrric victory.0
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Anybody who jokes about kneecapping in the Northern Ireland context is a f*ckwit at best. MI5 have a scored a point here.isam said:One for the new band of Corbo lovers... who cares if they loved the IRA, at least they're not Tories eh?
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/670534592424771584
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It will be Labour supporters who are GLUMBUCKETS when Corbyns performance is televised.
his passed will stop any Labour advance in its tracks.0 -
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Fine counts as celebrating now?Chris said:Casino_Royale said:I thought May was fine, and stood up to Paxman well.
Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
;-)RobD said:
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The fight on school milk between Thatcher and the audience member at 13:06 to 16:17 is very interesting.williamglenn said:
This was almost the same format and she did very well:SeanT said:I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLRtUUdDsY
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I'm younger than 45 and don't actually remember the Falklands from the time, but I can remember being interested in it from about 1990 onwards. The same must be true for a lot of younger people.surbiton said:No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
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Railways are run by regional monopolies, regulating fares makes sense unless a system where franchising is taken out and shot and replaced with completely open access to drive competition on single routes.another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
The energy market is not in the same position, anyone can switch to a different energy supplier, when I was commuting I had to get the awul Great Northern service or I wouldn't be able to get to work.0 -
Jezza still has The One Show to navigate before he seals the deal.0
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You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.TheScreamingEagles said:
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
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Saw nowt to change my opinion that 100+ will be the majority. However, reinforced my view that there is a small, but very noisy minority who will want TM to walk at the first sign of any difficulty. They will become larger and more angry when each detail of negotiation is revealed. Not sure she has the political steel to stare them down.0
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I am getting nostalgic for the Ed M 'No' on if Labour overspent and the reaction that got in the same format last time. Famously (for me), the prepared response as reported after the GE was basically the same only with the No at the end, basically the answer preparing the way for a No rather than leading with it, causing gasps. That is, he had an answer that might have worked, but delivered it poorly.0
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I think she would have handled this era fine, she was a one off. There will always be a Thatcher and May comparison because they were obviously both women, but Maggie was much much more formidable, a political colossus.KentRising said:
Simpler times in a way. Comments not focus-grouped, less fear of being reported out of context, no interruptions from the interviewer, more decorum and respect all round.jonny83 said:
Maggie was in a completely different league.williamglenn said:
This was almost the same format and she did very well:SeanT said:I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.
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A win is a win. But the next five years are going to be very, very hard for May. And if Labour learns the right lesson from this campaign, it will be in serious contention in 2022. Big if, though.Jonathan said:Still May by a mile. But it will be a phyrric victory.
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It received a lot of attention in 2002 during the 20th anniversary.AndyJS said:
I'm younger than 45 and don't actually remember the Falklands from the time, but I can remember being interested in it from about 1990 onwards. The same must be true for a lot of younger people.surbiton said:No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
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I mean Corbyns past, will stop Labour.0
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That is a tough one:bobajobPB said:Jezza still has The One Show to navigate before he seals the deal.
Q1) How is your allotment doing? Do you have a jam recipie to share with our viewers...0 -
Indeed, it's why I think railways (along with water) could probably be nationalised without anyone really noticing.tlg86 said:
You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.TheScreamingEagles said:
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
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It will be amusing. I for one will have to eat my words, but it will be a strange experience for her detractors if she has what many Tories consider to be a crap campaign and showed herself poorly, and she ends up winning a landslide anyway.RobD said:
Depends, if it's still 100+ I don't think there will be many that are dissapointed.Jonathan said:Still May by a mile. But it will be a phyrric victory.
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No. There was a period when the fawning ended but the "gotchas" weren't the norm. People like John Cole got the balance right.View_From_Cumbria said:Well, reading the comments was interesting. They remind me of Crick et al when they shout offensive questions to politicians as they are going into and out of 10, Downing Street. People mock the 1950s interviews on TV with their fawning, but is this really better, or more informative ?
Nowadays too many of the political correspondents have big egos, and seem to delight in these stupid games. It's not as bad as in the US, but we are heading in the same direction.0 -
The difference is that there is no difference - governments meddle when they think it wins them votes.TheScreamingEagles said:
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
If in 2015 EdM had proposed a rail fares cap then Cameron would have proposed an energy price cap.
In fact the government was already meddling in energy prices with its cut in fuel duty in 2011.0 -
I think that's right. The public think a comprehensive treaty between the UK and the EU is a haggle at the Brussels soukisam said:0 -
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Is that a new culinary ARSE ?JackW said:
I think about 45% prefer jelly and blancmange to 32% for red meat and 10% for vegetarian quiche ....MarkSenior said:More wibbly and wobbly than a Jelly and Blancmange Pudding
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Yah, ROCs is a work acronym that auto-correct changed.tlg86 said:
You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.TheScreamingEagles said:
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, it is is either use the train to get to Manchester or stay in Manchester overnight.
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I was only watching out of curiosity really.kle4 said:
Then your judgement may well be sounder than many others on here! Since it not only wasn't up for grabs, but you aren't backing either of the two on display.
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Perhaps, but "soft Brexit" means "free movement".SeanT said:She improved towards the end (I'm watching it on a 5 minute delay)
But she's really not tele-friendly.
Ed Balls as Labour leader offering Soft Brexit would beat her by 50/30.0 -
People keep saying that will happen. Of course they might already have hit their ceiling in any case, though they've proven us wrong on that so far. Here's hoping.RichardWithey said:It will be Labour supporters who are GLUMBUCKETS when Corbyns performance is televised.
his passed will stop any Labour advance in its tracks.0 -
How convenient that that came out .Cyan said:
Anybody who jokes about kneecapping in the Northern Ireland context is a f*ckwit at best. MI5 have a scored a point here.isam said:One for the new band of Corbo lovers... who cares if they loved the IRA, at least they're not Tories eh?
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/670534592424771584
Any more?
You betcha.0 -
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Receiver Operating Characteristic?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yah, ROCs is a work acronym that auto-correct changed.tlg86 said:
You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.TheScreamingEagles said:
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?another_richard said:
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?MaxPB said:
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.Jonathan said:Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, it is is either use the train to get to Manchester or stay in Manchester overnight.
Driving over Woodhead or Snake Pass on a daily basis isn't really an option for me
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As soon as that happened I knew that was a massive bollock dropped by EdM. Massive. But the media hardly picked up on it until after the election with the benefit of hindsight. A lot of these media chaps get paid ££££ to have a tin ear.kle4 said:I am getting nostalgic for the Ed M 'No' on if Labour overspent and the reaction that got in the same format last time. Famously (for me), the prepared response as reported after the GE was basically the same only with the No at the end, basically the answer preparing the way for a No rather than leading with it, causing gasps. That is, he had an answer that might have worked, but delivered it poorly.
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The Sun and the Mail will make sure everyone knows about Corbyn and his Falklands conspiracy theory.HYUFD said:
I doubt more than a million or 2 watched it anyway, it was not a head to head and on C4, I doubt it changes anything, neither had an outstanding performance it seems eitherTorby_Fennel said:If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.0 -
Dave wasn't particularly good against Paxman, and avoided debates like the plague.TheScreamingEagles said:
Agree too.JohnO said:
That would be my score too. Although it's events like this when I do miss Dave!MarqueeMark said:Corbyn finished in the bunker on security; May finished with a flourish on Brexit.
Corbyn 5/10, May 6/10
Thatcher? No problem.0 -
You were ten at the time.AndyJS said:
I'm younger than 45 and don't actually remember the Falklands from the time, but I can remember being interested in it from about 1990 onwards. The same must be true for a lot of younger people.surbiton said:No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
Was John Craven not part of your childhood?0
