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  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    A reminder of the Rallings Thrasher predictions:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/25/labour-predicted-to-lose-hundreds-of-seats-in-local-elections


    "They forecast nets gains of 115 seats for the Tories and 85 for the Lib Dems, and net losses of 75 for Labour and 105 for Ukip."

    Good guess on UKIP, but whoah elsewhere

    Tories have SO FAR gained 306, the LDs are DOWN by 22, and Labour have lost 141. So far.

    So in terms of seats the Tories are doing almost three times better than expected, Labour almost twice as bad.

    The 115 , I believe, was for England only.
    Yes, and my figures are also for England only. The Tories have gained 306 in ENGLAND ONLY
    OK. So Fisher got it right then. 450 overall. How does that square with the BBC / Sky / Thrasher GE 2017 projections ? I am puzzled.

    Are the Tories winning big in their own areas ?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Candidates on the stage in WM.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Street's done it!
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Theuniondivvie said:

    DavidL said:

    Unionists in Scotland currently 250 + 198 + 67 = 515

    Indys 350+ 12 = 362.

    Smug.

    Thank goodness your drear leader didn't frame the 'No to a second referendum' local elections purely on the basis of votes for the Scottish Conservative and Unionist party.
    Well done for showing face on this difficult day. Understandably you sound deflated and off colour.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    A reminder of the Rallings Thrasher predictions:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/25/labour-predicted-to-lose-hundreds-of-seats-in-local-elections


    "They forecast nets gains of 115 seats for the Tories and 85 for the Lib Dems, and net losses of 75 for Labour and 105 for Ukip."

    Good guess on UKIP, but whoah elsewhere

    Tories have SO FAR gained 306, the LDs are DOWN by 22, and Labour have lost 141. So far.

    So in terms of seats the Tories are doing almost three times better than expected, Labour almost twice as bad.

    The 115 , I believe, was for England only.
    Yes, and my figures are also for England only. The Tories have gained 306 in ENGLAND ONLY
    OK. So Fisher got it right then. 450 overall. How does that square with the BBC / Sky / Thrasher GE 2017 projections ? I am puzzled.

    Are the Tories winning big in their own areas ?
    If you accept the national % are the floor for Tories and ceiling for Labour, then using them for the extrapolation is labour's best case outcome...
  • RobinWiggs
    RobinWiggs Posts: 621
    STREET wins.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    ANDY STREET!!!!
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    The gentleman from @NCPolitics speaks...

    Matt Singh‏ @MattSingh_

    1/ This whole "It's not Labour doing badly, it's the Tories gaining seats because of the UKIP collapse" spin is totally missing the point.
    2/ UKIP took votes almost equally from Labour and Tories from 2010-15. Polls said otherwise, but that's one the areas where they were wrong.
    3/ I illustrated that here. And if you consider pre-2010 voting, UKIP very likely took more from Labour
    4/ So if UKIP implodes, standing still is not neutral. Standing still is a disaster.
    5/ Just as importantly, these are the sorts of people whose votes Labour needs if it wants to govern, but has been haemorrhaging since 2005.
    6/ Of course, all of this is being viewed through the prism of Brexit. But the roots of it are far deeper.
    7/ Ultimately, a broad church of the centre-left has to include socially conservative votes as well as socially liberal ones.
    8/8 Which is why Labour's weakness is partly structural - it isn't solely down to the direction the party has taken since 2015.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Street's done it!

    :o OMG
  • Disraeli
    Disraeli Posts: 1,106
    Streets ahead in West Mids!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    100+ majority nailed on!
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    stjohn said:

    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    Phenomenal performance by the SCONES

    https://twitter.com/UKGenElect/status/860510031049097216

    True. Enough to take 2 seats away from the SNP in the GE.
    I reckon they'll get a few more than that

    And you guys are in THIRD. lol. And you lost GLASGOW.

    Remember when Corbyn was going to "win back Scotland"?

    CHORTLE
    Corbyn is not my guy, you know that. Unfortunately, the Tories couldn't provide the killer blow. If Simon wins in West Midlands, that shows the Tories cannot win big cities.

    It is Farron you should worry about now.
    They can win a 140 seat majority without big cities. They just need the medium-sized cities and big towns, on top of their safe seats.

    SeanF. I'm guessing when you say "they" in reference to the Tories, rather than "we", it indicates you are still with UKIP?
    I'll be voting Conservative in this election.
  • walterw
    walterw Posts: 71
    edited May 2017
    surbiton

    'It is Farron you should worry about now.'


    Just seen Farron complete with winning here placards on TV, has anyone told him he's lost 30 seats so far ?

    The Robert Hayward forecast was Lib Dems + 100 seats.

  • Arthur_Penny
    Arthur_Penny Posts: 198
    edited May 2017
    Street Wins

    Birmingham

    Siôn Simon 10382
    Andy Street 7690
    Total rejected at the second stage 2988
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    The power of the Curse remains strong.

    Oh well.
  • Carolus_Rex
    Carolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Andy Street....

    KERCHING!

    (and phew!)
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    AndyJS said:

    At last year's local elections the shares in the West Midlands were Lab 47%, Con 28%.

    http://labourlist.org/2017/05/local-elections-liveblog/

    Today's result is a swing of 10% from Labour to Conservative, consistent with a national lead of almost 20%.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    Finally, a chance for the PB Yoons to say 'I agree with John'.

    https://twitter.com/KirstyStricklan/status/860519639721418752
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    dixiedean said:

    justin124 said:

    TudorRose said:

    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky forecast: Con maj of 48 seats if people voted the same way in GE as locals.

    The polling companies are going to do more methodological changes. How do they square the above with the polls ?
    It is puzzling; the Sky forecast is consistent with the BBC projected vote share. But neither tally with the opinion polls or recent results in, for example, Copeland.
    I suspect the forecast to be a bit too clinical , but it is worth remembering that the change from May 2015 is a lot less dramatic than from May 2013 when these seats were last fought. The number of council seats changing hands would be far smaller were we able to use a May 2015 baseline. Beyond that the seats in Scotland and Wales were last fought in May 2012 - which was easily Labour's best year in the last Parliament.
    Does the very big vote share for Burnham affect the projected vote share? No one could seriously contemplate Labour getting 62% in Gtr Mcr at a General Election. Given it has the biggest population voting yesterday, does this seriously skew the figures?
    Birmingham should change that .
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Street 238,628 combined
    Simon 234,862 combined
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    WM Mayor: Combined vote:

    Andy Street: 1st 216,280 2nd 22,348 Total: 238,628
    Sion Simon: 1st 210,259 2nd 24,603 Total: 234,862

    Conservative victory
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Corbyn losing where never thought possible...
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories win WM mayor. Amazing.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Sion Simon looks like he's about to cry. My heart goes out to him, not.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Street's done it!

    Sensational!
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,308
    Street
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    edited May 2017
    Kin hells bells.

    I said last week if Andy Street wins Mrs May is on course for a majority of 150 plus
  • Jason
    Jason Posts: 1,614
    Easy Street!!
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Street a big, big win for the West Midlands.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited May 2017
    another tick in the win box today...

    so over to you Poch.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Andy Street Yes
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Labour needed a big hitter candidate. An MEP didn't cut it.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,866
    Theuniondivvie said:

    DavidL said:

    Unionists in Scotland currently 250 + 198 + 67 = 515

    Indys 350+ 12 = 362.

    Smug.

    Thank goodness your drear leader didn't frame the 'No to a second referendum' local elections purely on the basis of votes for the Scottish Conservative and Unionist party.
    A fair point but I am way more of a Unionist than I am a Tory. So I am quite content to put my own spin.
  • RobinWiggs
    RobinWiggs Posts: 621
    RobinWiggs said:

    STREET wins.

    First! ;-)

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Black_Rook said:

    WM Mayor: Combined vote:

    Andy Street: 1st 216,280 2nd 22,348 Total: 238,628
    Sion Simon: 1st 210,259 2nd 24,603 Total: 234,862

    Conservative victory

    The higher turnout in Solihull did it for him.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Kin hells bells.

    I said last week if Andy Street wins Mrs May is on course for a majority of 150 plus

    Can I be the first to say

    "Shortly there will be an election, in which the Tories will increase their majority."
  • Jason
    Jason Posts: 1,614
    Barry Gardiner must be feeling like a total prat now after calling if for Simon on Sky News. Burnham's result in Manchester won't hide this catastrophe for Labour.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Is that team Blue’s first or second Mayoralty win? – Hard to follow for us part timers. :lol:
  • kjohnw
    kjohnw Posts: 1,456
    What was that Barry Gardiner was saying LOL
  • Gallowgate
    Gallowgate Posts: 20,709
    Andy Street: "Rebirth of a new urban Conservative agenda"
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Kin hells bells.

    I said last week if Andy Street wins Mrs May is on course for a majority of 150 plus

    Hmm. I agree in general, but personally I think some of Street's win is about him as a person, rather than Tory vote: ex John Lewis, obviously got ideas etc etc. Could run a city - he's run a business etc.
  • Bob__Sykes
    Bob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Fantastic WM result that the Tories could not have dreamed of weeks ago.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Eagles, that's Fourth Crusade territory (150 seat majority).
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    SimonStClare said:

    Is that team Blue’s first or second Mayoralty win? – Hard to follow for us part timers. :lol:

    West of England
    Teeside
    West Midlands
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Chameleon said:

    Sion Simon looks like he's about to cry. My heart goes out to him, not.

    He lacked the necessary Brownian Blitzkreig.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,866
    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    Unionists in Scotland currently 250 + 198 + 67 = 515

    Indys 350+ 12 = 362.

    Smug.

    Kellner reads PB confirmed. :D
    Huh? Did he just say something similar?
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited May 2017
    Won by A Street!
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Kin hells bells.

    I said last week if Andy Street wins Mrs May is on course for a majority of 150 plus

    Can I be the first to say

    "Shortly there will be an election, in which the Tories will increase their majority."
    Arf!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    SimonStClare said:

    Is that team Blue’s first or second Mayoralty win? – Hard to follow for us part timers. :lol:

    Third :p
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Bob__Sykes said:

    Fantastic WM result that the Tories could not have dreamed of weeks ago.

    Street was the 2/5 favourite weeks ago
  • HaroldO
    HaroldO Posts: 1,185
    My first ever bet was on Street to win, a tiny £1 stake but i am chuffed.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobinWiggs said:

    RobinWiggs said:

    STREET wins.

    First! ;-)

    *cough cough* ;-)
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    LOL

    wee Mrs McTurnip looking pressured
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Awesome news for the West Midlands, exactly the sort of person we should be encouraging into politics. Well done to Andy and all that worked to get him elected over the past six months.
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Black_Rook said:

    WM Mayor: Combined vote:

    Andy Street: 1st 216,280 2nd 22,348 Total: 238,628
    Sion Simon: 1st 210,259 2nd 24,603 Total: 234,862

    Conservative victory

    Not a bad set of results for the Tories then, all told.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Considering that there was no chance of letting Corbyn in this election and the Tories have surged in almost everywhere bar Labour ground zeros (Manc., Liverpool, Valleys) I can't imagine how this realistically could have gone much worse for Labour. As a holder of £20 on LDs to be 0-9 at the GE at 10-1 I'm also feeling quite hopeful.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    The Conservatives carrying the West Midlands and Teesside are reminiscent of their results in 1976-78, but those were achieved in mid-term by an Opposition, not by the government.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Bob__Sykes said:

    Fantastic WM result that the Tories could not have dreamed of weeks ago.

    See Faisal Islam has not tweeted - must be in despair
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    Just to put Andy Street's performance into context

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/860122076983775233
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Sandpit said:

    Awesome news for the West Midlands, exactly the sort of person we should be encouraging into politics. Well done to Andy and all that worked to get him elected over the past six months.

    And up against exactly the person who shouldn't be.
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Black_Rook said:

    WM Mayor: Combined vote:

    Andy Street: 1st 216,280 2nd 22,348 Total: 238,628
    Sion Simon: 1st 210,259 2nd 24,603 Total: 234,862

    Conservative victory

    Close:

    Andy 50.4%
    Sion 49.6%


    (They're Mayors - so they have to be known by their 1st names...)

  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Andy Street Yes

    And to be fair to him, his name and background probably made the difference.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Artist said:

    Bob__Sykes said:

    Fantastic WM result that the Tories could not have dreamed of weeks ago.

    Street was the 2/5 favourite weeks ago
    I got like 1.7 a couple of weeks ago, I don't think 2/5 is right.
  • Pong
    Pong Posts: 4,693
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Kin hells bells.

    I said last week if Andy Street wins Mrs May is on course for a majority of 150 plus

    Hmm. I agree in general, but personally I think some of Street's win is about him as a person, rather than Tory vote: ex John Lewis, obviously got ideas etc etc. Could run a city - he's run a business etc.
    + a million quid.

    He's a decent candidate though. I'll give him his due.

    But let's not pretend it wasn't the million quid wot won it for him.

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    52% in WM voted Lab, LD, Green, Comm in the first round. Same sort of thing as Bristol.
  • Essexit
    Essexit Posts: 1,966
    Good on Andy Streets. Well deserved.

    So much for most of these metro mayoralties going to Labour!
  • Pong
    Pong Posts: 4,693
    edited May 2017
    david_herdson said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Andy Street Yes

    And to be fair to him, his name and background probably made the difference.
    It was the million quid, David.

    ;)
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    It is thanks to George Osborne and his plans for Metro Mayors we get another opportunity to laugh at Sion Simon.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RobD said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Is that team Blue’s first or second Mayoralty win? – Hard to follow for us part timers. :lol:

    Third :p
    You jest Sir. - Hopefully Sion Simon will now disappear and stop blighting the body politic.
  • Black_Rook
    Black_Rook Posts: 8,905
    david_herdson said:

    Black_Rook said:

    WM Mayor: Combined vote:

    Andy Street: 1st 216,280 2nd 22,348 Total: 238,628
    Sion Simon: 1st 210,259 2nd 24,603 Total: 234,862

    Conservative victory

    Not a bad set of results for the Tories then, all told.
    Scotland (30 of 32 councils):

    SNP 383 (-14)
    Con 260 (+152)
    Lab 230 (-115)
    Ind 164 (-23)
    LibDem 67 (-2)
    Green 12 (+2)
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,347
    edited May 2017
    I like the Guardian front page headline - "Andy Burnham elected Manchester Mayor....
    ... but Labour suffers heavy losses".
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,308
    LD seat change slowly clawing back towards overall break even.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    The mayoral elections are the perfect illustration of the toxicity of Corbyn Labour. In all three that went to a second round Labour did not get enough transfers from LibDems and Greens to get over the line.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    I think this should be posted for no particular reason...

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    AndyJS said:

    52% in WM voted Lab, LD, Green, Comm in the first round. Same sort of thing as Bristol.

    And Tees Valley, no?

  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Unionists in Scotland currently 250 + 198 + 67 = 515

    Indys 350+ 12 = 362.

    Smug.

    Overall in 2012 was

    Unionist: 580
    Indy: 439
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/860523552721838080
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/860523580819484674
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    IanB2 said:

    LD seat change slowly clawing back towards overall break even.

    Not sure if they are going to make it. Only 50 or so seats to come.
  • PeterMannion
    PeterMannion Posts: 712
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just to put Andy Street's performance into context

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/860122076983775233

    Labour have gone from 49.8 to 49.6?
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Paul Waugh‏VERIFIED ACCOUNT @paulwaugh 2 mins2 minutes ago

    I'm told Sion Simon will have a punchy speech


    popcorn time.
  • SirNorfolkPassmore
    SirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,367
    Pong said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Kin hells bells.

    I said last week if Andy Street wins Mrs May is on course for a majority of 150 plus

    Hmm. I agree in general, but personally I think some of Street's win is about him as a person, rather than Tory vote: ex John Lewis, obviously got ideas etc etc. Could run a city - he's run a business etc.
    + a million quid.

    He's a decent candidate though. I'll give him his due.

    But let's not pretend it wasn't the million quid wot won it for him.

    Did Sion Simon not bother campaigning, then? Purely a word of mouth thing, was it?
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,347
    Black_Rook said:

    david_herdson said:

    Black_Rook said:

    WM Mayor: Combined vote:

    Andy Street: 1st 216,280 2nd 22,348 Total: 238,628
    Sion Simon: 1st 210,259 2nd 24,603 Total: 234,862

    Conservative victory

    Not a bad set of results for the Tories then, all told.
    Scotland (30 of 32 councils):

    SNP 383 (-14)
    Con 260 (+152)
    Lab 230 (-115)
    Ind 164 (-23)
    LibDem 67 (-2)
    Green 12 (+2)
    While it's an article of faith for some that Ruth Davidson's grin is fake, it looks quite convincing to me today.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Chameleon said:

    Considering that there was no chance of letting Corbyn in this election and the Tories have surged in almost everywhere bar Labour ground zeros (Manc., Liverpool, Valleys) I can't imagine how this realistically could have gone much worse for Labour. As a holder of £20 on LDs to be 0-9 at the GE at 10-1 I'm also feeling quite hopeful.

    The result in Scotland could certainly have been worse.

  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    AndyJS said:

    52% in WM voted Lab, LD, Green, Comm in the first round. Same sort of thing as Bristol.

    The idea that LD = Lab or "progressive" should be dead by now surely?

    Take Solihull. Street got 2,981 second preference votes many of which must have come from the Lib Dems if not Greens etc as there were only 1,833 UKIP first preference votes.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited May 2017
    As well as his famous "increase it's majority" article, we must take a moment to remember this gem.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn4IpyVViw4
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,308
    UKIP zero seats now 1/33 BF.

    The 1/5 and better we could get up to this morning must be the safest bet for June 8th...
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    PeterMannion said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Just to put Andy Street's performance into context

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/860122076983775233

    Labour have gone from 49.8 to 49.6?
    No that was 49.9% in the first round not the second.
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Bob__Sykes said:

    Fantastic WM result that the Tories could not have dreamed of weeks ago.

    Its a big disappointment that Manchester never got as good a choice as Street.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    edited May 2017
    One reason why I think that the Con position is much stronger than polls show is because they aren't making progress in areas such as Oxfordshire where they can afford to take a hit on their majorities, therefore the swing is stronger in the midlands and NE. Oxfordshire should be a rock solid Con stronghold.

    Personally I'm very happy that my RG unseated the incumbent Conservative to keep Oxon NOC.

    Re: OW&Ab, the LDs won all three Abingdon wards and both of the wards between Abingdon & east Oxford. So far I've only seen LD posters as well in Abingdon. All this being said I reckon that Blackwood will hold on in OWAb.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    WEST MIDLANDS GE 2015:

    Labour - 21 seats
    Con - 7 seats

    Amazing for Street to win given the above.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    SeanT said:

    Tories up 14 in Cornwall, Lib Dems down 2.

    Mark Senior?

    He's at the Dunny-on-the-wold count... :smiley:
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,866
    Can I just express a moment's sympathy to the Labour candidate who managed to lose to UKIP. I mean to lose against a party that has lost every seat they held. Not a good day. Not good at all.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    edited May 2017
    LAB Hold Doncaster. I think that's the last result.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,308
    SouthamObserver said:

    The mayoral elections are the perfect illustration of the toxicity of Corbyn Labour. In all three that went to a second round Labour did not get enough transfers from LibDems and Greens to get over the line.

    People don't understand the system, so a lot of Green and LD second preferences will have gone to each other, and so not influenced the final count. Plus I expect many LDs don't currently see Corbyn's Labour as an acceptable second choice. Especially when the Tory was Mr John Lewis/Waitrose.
  • Fenster
    Fenster Posts: 2,115
    At least Labour won Merthyr, that bastion of flint-eyed socialists and dilapidated housing estates where us Valley boys buy all our drugs.

    Oh.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    david_herdson said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Andy Street Yes

    And to be fair to him, his name and background probably made the difference.
    Yes, I think 'Joe Bloggs Conservative' wouldn't have done anything like as well as the John Lewis Theresa May candidate.
  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    I'll be interested to see where and how the SNP seats were lost.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    edited May 2017
    Corbyn turned up in Liverpool - predictable - ranting as normal - zero hours contracts etc
  • murali_s
    murali_s Posts: 3,084
    edited May 2017
    No point putting any spin on this, today has been a disaster for Labour.

    Tory 120+ majority pretty much nailed on all things being equal.

    Tory electoral fraud scandal only hope for Labour.
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