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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2017
    RobD said:
    Factually incorrect, as you'd expect from the Independent and just as barking as the Express.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Someone from Opinionway estimated that the FN would achieve 20-50 seats at the French legislature.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    Certainly and the FN will use it as a springboard for the legislative elections in June
    A large part of her success is because of distancing herself from her own party.

    Rather like Ruth Davidson's Scottish Conservatives, it is difficult to name another party figure in FN.
    There's also the hot fascist with the familiar surname.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    Certainly and the FN will use it as a springboard for the legislative elections in June
    A large part of her success is because of distancing herself from her own party.

    Rather like Ruth Davidson's Scottish Conservatives, it is difficult to name another party figure in FN.
    There's also the hot fascist with the familiar surname.
    Kim jung Le Pen the 3rd?
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    OUT said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Kim May-Il speaks to party followers
    Like a meeting of the KKK
    That's a richly ironic comment considering one of your fellow Nats upthread was complaining you were likely to be compared to terrorists.

    But don't worry, nobody will compare you to the KKK. They were well-organised. Although come to think of it, they did overreach themselves and it ended in at best partial success...
    Don't worry, after your lie about public sector/welsh speaking claim no_one will believe any thing you post.
    Think the word you're looking for is error.

    You obnoxious fool
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    saddened said:

    OUT said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Kim May-Il speaks to party followers
    Like a meeting of the KKK
    That's a richly ironic comment considering one of your fellow Nats upthread was complaining you were likely to be compared to terrorists.

    But don't worry, nobody will compare you to the KKK. They were well-organised. Although come to think of it, they did overreach themselves and it ended in at best partial success...
    Don't worry, after your lie about public sector/welsh speaking claim no_one will believe any thing you post.
    Think the word you're looking for is error.

    You obnoxious fool
    Oh gawd... you'll rue the day :o
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Corbyn, the iceberg leader https://t.co/qhIxMTlzZD
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    RobD said:

    saddened said:

    OUT said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Kim May-Il speaks to party followers
    Like a meeting of the KKK
    That's a richly ironic comment considering one of your fellow Nats upthread was complaining you were likely to be compared to terrorists.

    But don't worry, nobody will compare you to the KKK. They were well-organised. Although come to think of it, they did overreach themselves and it ended in at best partial success...
    Don't worry, after your lie about public sector/welsh speaking claim no_one will believe any thing you post.
    Think the word you're looking for is error.

    You obnoxious fool
    Oh gawd... you'll rue the day :o
    Not really I was fortunate enough for my family to leave the weak members of the herd behind and move from Scotland to England when I was 4.

    I understand why the failures at life are bitter.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    edited April 2017
    chestnut said:

    Someone from Opinionway estimated that the FN would achieve 20-50 seats at the French legislature.

    So, about as well as the Liberal Democrats

    (Misread that, thought you said 20-25.)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Have they all died off???
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291

    Corbyn, the iceberg leader https://t.co/qhIxMTlzZD

    21st Century Socialism sweeping the nation.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Macron actually won 25-34 year olds according to exit polls and Melenchon 18-24 year olds, Le Pen won 35-49 and 50-59 year olds and Fillon 60-69 year olds and the over 70s
    http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/files/doc_associe/ipsos-sopra-steria_sociologie-des-electorats_23-avril-2017-21h.pdf
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,252
    edited April 2017
    saddened said:

    RobD said:

    saddened said:

    OUT said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Kim May-Il speaks to party followers
    Like a meeting of the KKK
    That's a richly ironic comment considering one of your fellow Nats upthread was complaining you were likely to be compared to terrorists.

    But don't worry, nobody will compare you to the KKK. They were well-organised. Although come to think of it, they did overreach themselves and it ended in at best partial success...
    Don't worry, after your lie about public sector/welsh speaking claim no_one will believe any thing you post.
    Think the word you're looking for is error.

    You obnoxious fool
    Oh gawd... you'll rue the day :o
    Not really I was fortunate enough for my family to leave the weak members of the herd behind and move from Scotland to England when I was 4.

    I understand why the failures at life are bitter.
    Your whining at some bloke you don't know on the internet who hasn't even addressed you, and you're talking about failures in life?

    Ok.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    calum said:
    Have you seen the decline in Stugeon's personal polling since she began to weaponise Brexit as an excuse to hold another Indy Ref?
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710

    Corbyn, the iceberg leader https://t.co/qhIxMTlzZD

    21st Century Socialism sweeping the nation.
    Corbyn's personal ratings simply aren't consistent with a vote share anywhere near 30%, are they?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Off out now for refreshments, but just a little thought for the night:

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/858386649012731904
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Didn't we have a couple of bets on the first round?
    A very small bet on the first round winner and Macron ahead of PS if I remember which you won on the popular vote at least, how much do I owe you then?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    RobD said:

    saddened said:

    OUT said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Kim May-Il speaks to party followers
    Like a meeting of the KKK
    That's a richly ironic comment considering one of your fellow Nats upthread was complaining you were likely to be compared to terrorists.

    But don't worry, nobody will compare you to the KKK. They were well-organised. Although come to think of it, they did overreach themselves and it ended in at best partial success...
    Don't worry, after your lie about public sector/welsh speaking claim no_one will believe any thing you post.
    Think the word you're looking for is error.

    You obnoxious fool
    Oh gawd... you'll rue the day :o
    Not really I was fortunate enough for my family to leave the weak members of the herd behind and move from Scotland to England when I was 4.

    I understand why the failures at life are bitter.
    Your whining at some bloke you don't know on the internet who hasn't even addressed you, and you're talking about failures in life?

    Ok.
    Don't forget, whatever you say. You're still going to wake up, tomorrow, in the cultural and economic backwater that is Scotland. Feel for you.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    Off out now for refreshments, but just a little thought for the night:

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/858386649012731904

    The more interesting question, what proportion of the fans who go to these games voted leave?

    On a related note, I've thought of a popular policy that Corbyn could go for. Pass a law to make the PL be free to air. It worked for the lady in Argentina.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    malcolmg said:

    LOL
    Theresa May Held A Campaign Event In A Village Hall In A Scottish Wood With No Reception
    News channels weren't able to show her talking about "strong and stable" leadership this time.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/theresa-may-held-a-campaign-event-in-a-village-hall-in?utm_term=.bxQQmD7aj#.oeDOL5ro4

    Scottish geography is obvously not your strong point today Malc.....

    Press and Journal - As Theresa May heads for Scotland: She writes a message for The P&J
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    Sean_F said:

    <
    Given what else we know about the current political climate, the idea both that Labour under Corbyn is doing little or no worse than under EdM, and that the Lib Dems have received no net increase in support over Brexit whatsoever, does not seem terribly plausible. Certainly, if there's been practically no change at all, apart from half the Ukip vote going to Theresa May and a bit of chopping and changing in Scotland, then that would be very, very strange.

    DYOR but as I said yesterday, I'm not finding Labour making many converts, but also not now losing many compared with last time - the Corbyn doubters are common but generally either plan to vote Labour faut de mieux or have warmed to him a bit now he's appearing as the leader of the Opposition with decent TV coverage. He has a core of 20%ish who think he's great (more than the Milifans ever mustered), plus 10%ish who are willing to go along. Saying "Do you really want a Tory landslide?" works pretty well.

    The really obvious change on the doorstep, though, is ex-Kippers saying they're voting Tory now. Lots of them.
    The polling bears that out. If Labour is stable, but loads of UKIP supporters go Conservative, then the Conservatives will win big.
    We were told that UKIP was a threat to Labour, now it appears they were all Tories on holiday after all. How does that work?
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710

    Sean_F said:

    <
    Given what else we know about the current political climate, the idea both that Labour under Corbyn is doing little or no worse than under EdM, and that the Lib Dems have received no net increase in support over Brexit whatsoever, does not seem terribly plausible. Certainly, if there's been practically no change at all, apart from half the Ukip vote going to Theresa May and a bit of chopping and changing in Scotland, then that would be very, very strange.

    DYOR but as I said yesterday, I'm not finding Labour making many converts, but also not now losing many compared with last time - the Corbyn doubters are common but generally either plan to vote Labour faut de mieux or have warmed to him a bit now he's appearing as the leader of the Opposition with decent TV coverage. He has a core of 20%ish who think he's great (more than the Milifans ever mustered), plus 10%ish who are willing to go along. Saying "Do you really want a Tory landslide?" works pretty well.

    The really obvious change on the doorstep, though, is ex-Kippers saying they're voting Tory now. Lots of them.
    The polling bears that out. If Labour is stable, but loads of UKIP supporters go Conservative, then the Conservatives will win big.
    We were told that UKIP was a threat to Labour, now it appears they were all Tories on holiday after all. How does that work?
    The "gateway drug" theory. Lab -> UKIP -> Con.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    Sean_F said:

    <
    Given what else we know about the current political climate, the idea both that Labour under Corbyn is doing little or no worse than under EdM, and that the Lib Dems have received no net increase in support over Brexit whatsoever, does not seem terribly plausible. Certainly, if there's been practically no change at all, apart from half the Ukip vote going to Theresa May and a bit of chopping and changing in Scotland, then that would be very, very strange.

    DYOR but as I said yesterday, I'm not finding Labour making many converts, but also not now losing many compared with last time - the Corbyn doubters are common but generally either plan to vote Labour faut de mieux or have warmed to him a bit now he's appearing as the leader of the Opposition with decent TV coverage. He has a core of 20%ish who think he's great (more than the Milifans ever mustered), plus 10%ish who are willing to go along. Saying "Do you really want a Tory landslide?" works pretty well.

    The really obvious change on the doorstep, though, is ex-Kippers saying they're voting Tory now. Lots of them.
    The polling bears that out. If Labour is stable, but loads of UKIP supporters go Conservative, then the Conservatives will win big.
    We were told that UKIP was a threat to Labour, now it appears they were all Tories on holiday after all. How does that work?
    Gateway drug theory. They broke a habit of a lifetime by not voting Labour last time. Now voting Tory doesn't seem all that bad.

    Doesn't mean this is happening, mind.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited April 2017
    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Macron actually won 25-34 year olds according to exit polls and Melenchon 18-24 year olds, Le Pen won 35-49 and 50-59 year olds and Fillon 60-69 year olds and the over 70s
    http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/files/doc_associe/ipsos-sopra-steria_sociologie-des-electorats_23-avril-2017-21h.pdf
    IIRC if those aged 65+ hadn't voted it would have been Le Pen/Mélenchon.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    surbiton said:

    My reading of the polls now is that Labour voters who may not be enamoured of Corbyn, does not want to give the Tories a massive majority.

    I am not quite sure about the Lib Dem numbers. Surely past vote maybe misleading since they crashed from 23% to 8%. So there are 15% of the population, who in the very recent past, voted Lib Dem and not being taken into account as such.

    The locals would be a good indicator. Bettors better be ready around 1 am on Friday morning.

    This is probably the best guide until the local results:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects Apr 26
    Our polling average update:

    Con: 45.5% (+7.7)
    Lab: 25.7% (-5.5)
    LDem: 10.8% (+2.7)
    UKIP: 8.7% (-4.2)
    Grn: 3.4% (-0.4)

    Chgs. w/ GE2015.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Macron actually won 25-34 year olds according to exit polls and Melenchon 18-24 year olds, Le Pen won 35-49 and 50-59 year olds and Fillon 60-69 year olds and the over 70s
    http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/files/doc_associe/ipsos-sopra-steria_sociologie-des-electorats_23-avril-2017-21h.pdf
    IIRC if 65+ hadn't voted it would have been Le Pen/Mélenchon.
    Though mainly because of 18-24 year olds
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    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    If we can ignore the 48%, then the French can ignore the 40%.

    Though I think Macron will work out pretty well for France, and in 5 years their economy will have significantly recovered. I don't think the next presidential election will be fought on the same ground, and the major parties will get their act together.
    I think he's going to have a tough job. Whoever forms the next French Government will have a very tough job.

    But not as tough as whoever forms the next UK Government.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Sean_F said:

    <
    Given what else we know about the current political climate, the idea both that Labour under Corbyn is doing little or no worse than under EdM, and that the Lib Dems have received no net increase in support over Brexit whatsoever, does not seem terribly plausible. Certainly, if there's been practically no change at all, apart from half the Ukip vote going to Theresa May and a bit of chopping and changing in Scotland, then that would be very, very strange.

    DYOR but as I said yesterday, I'm not finding Labour making many converts, but also not now losing many compared with last time - the Corbyn doubters are common but generally either plan to vote Labour faut de mieux or have warmed to him a bit now he's appearing as the leader of the Opposition with decent TV coverage. He has a core of 20%ish who think he's great (more than the Milifans ever mustered), plus 10%ish who are willing to go along. Saying "Do you really want a Tory landslide?" works pretty well.

    The really obvious change on the doorstep, though, is ex-Kippers saying they're voting Tory now. Lots of them.
    The polling bears that out. If Labour is stable, but loads of UKIP supporters go Conservative, then the Conservatives will win big.
    We were told that UKIP was a threat to Labour, now it appears they were all Tories on holiday after all. How does that work?
    Obvious conclusion: some of the Ukip vote were ex-Tories and have gone back home. Others were ex-Labour and, having gone over to Ukip, have found the journey to the Tories rather easier than they might otherwise have done.

    So now, instead of Ukip challenging Labour, their voters are going to help the Tories challenge Labour instead. In which capacity, they ought to be somewhat more effective.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    edited April 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Have they all died off???
    Oh God, we aren't going to have to endure relentless posts bending facts and pointing out that it was only old, rich pensioners that won it for Macron are we?!
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Have they all died off???
    Oh God, we aren't going to have to endure relentless posts bending facts and pointing out that it was only old, rich pensioners that won it for Macron are we?!
    I sincerely doubt we're going to get the internationalists wishing the old would all die off this time though.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    chestnut said:
    chestnut said:
    After the Italians held it up in November.....
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710
    Opinium have now published their proper data tables.

    http://opinium.co.uk/political-polling-25th-april-2017/
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    A charity supported by Jeremy Corbyn hosted an anti-Semitic speaker who has accused Jews of exploiting the Holocaust and called Zionism 'parallel to Nazism'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4457354/Jeremy-Corbyn-charity-hosts-anti-Semitic-speaker.html
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Macron actually won 25-34 year olds according to exit polls and Melenchon 18-24 year olds, Le Pen won 35-49 and 50-59 year olds and Fillon 60-69 year olds and the over 70s
    http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/files/doc_associe/ipsos-sopra-steria_sociologie-des-electorats_23-avril-2017-21h.pdf
    IIRC if those aged 65+ hadn't voted it would have been Le Pen/Mélenchon.
    If no one had voted we would have been in real trouble !
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Whatt time can we expect you gov.???
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    fitalass said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL
    Theresa May Held A Campaign Event In A Village Hall In A Scottish Wood With No Reception
    News channels weren't able to show her talking about "strong and stable" leadership this time.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/theresa-may-held-a-campaign-event-in-a-village-hall-in?utm_term=.bxQQmD7aj#.oeDOL5ro4

    Scottish geography is obvously not your strong point today Malc.....

    Press and Journal - As Theresa May heads for Scotland: She writes a message for The P&J
    A Conservative government will also secure a better future for Scottish fishermen by leaving the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy. There is clear difference here between the Conservatives and our SNP opponents. Nationalist MPs are all fully signed up to the SNP’s policy of re-joining the EU as a full member. That means taking back no control over our waters and keeping all the power in Brussels. In contrast, Conservatives will take the UK out of the CFP for good.

    Most robust statement on fisheries I've read!
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710
    edited April 2017
    The odd thing about the Opinium tables is that Lab and Con retain a similar proportion of their 2015 vote, and furthermore, UKIP retain a higher proportion than either of those two! This certainly doesn't chime with other recent polls.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Have they all died off???
    Oh God, we aren't going to have to endure relentless posts bending facts and pointing out that it was only old, rich pensioners that won it for Macron are we?!
    So Macron == Brexit?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,950
    @surbiton @rcs1000
    @Pulpstar @NeilVW

    Thank you for the discusion of Opinium polls. I note that they are now saying they are weighting by "...past vote weight in addition to...party propensity"

    OK, I give up. What is the difference between "weighting by past vote" and "weighting by party propensity"?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412

    May's event was very near to the Royal Deeside Railway.

    http://www.deeside-railway.co.uk/

    Sadly, only been as far north as Leuchars by train.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,950
    @theakes

    I also thought Opinium used a panel. Why do you think they don't?
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    Alistair said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Betting post:

    Can I suggest a double:

    Liberal Democrats under 10, at 11-1 with SkyBet.
    Also, Liberal Democrats to hold Southport, 11/8 with SkyBet.

    I think it's perfectly possible you win both, and I think it's unlikely that the LDs get much into double figures if they're not holding Southport.

    I like the sound of that. I've chucked £20 at that, split for a £39.60 return if either part comes in.
    The Lib Dem seat bands market was insane and seemingly still is.
    Betfair limiting under 10 at 10/1 to a fiver. Why they do that rather than shorten the odds is a mystery to me.
    Betfair have been allowing me way more than others on here have been allowed on.
    Bet365 have LibDems 10 and under at 14's. A better price and an extra seat covered too.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    NeilVW said:

    Opinium have now published their proper data tables.

    http://opinium.co.uk/political-polling-25th-april-2017/

    71% of Labour voters choose Corbyn as best PM. Is this an improvement ? May 84%.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Have they all died off???
    Oh God, we aren't going to have to endure relentless posts bending facts and pointing out that it was only old, rich pensioners that won it for Macron are we?!
    So Macron == Brexit?
    It is what it is, or S.O.C.K.S, as they say in Spain.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    saddened said:

    OUT said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Kim May-Il speaks to party followers
    Like a meeting of the KKK
    That's a richly ironic comment considering one of your fellow Nats upthread was complaining you were likely to be compared to terrorists.

    But don't worry, nobody will compare you to the KKK. They were well-organised. Although come to think of it, they did overreach themselves and it ended in at best partial success...
    Don't worry, after your lie about public sector/welsh speaking claim no_one will believe any thing you post.
    Think the word you're looking for is error.

    You obnoxious fool
    Did you log in with the wrong I.D.?
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710
    viewcode said:

    @surbiton @rcs1000
    @Pulpstar @NeilVW

    Thank you for the discusion of Opinium polls. I note that they are now saying they are weighting by "...past vote weight in addition to...party propensity"

    OK, I give up. What is the difference between "weighting by past vote" and "weighting by party propensity"?

    Party propensity is an evolution of the party-ID variable used in previous elections where respondents were asked if they identified with a particular party and the sample was then weighted according to pre-defined targets coming from sources such as the British Election Study.
    With party propensity, we ask voters how they feel about all of the parties and, from their answers, put together a unique picture of each voter’s view of the whole spectrum of parties. From this we can divide the electorate into groups based on which combination of parties they would or would not consider voting for.

    http://opinium.co.uk/a-note-on-methodology/
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,950

    Interesting YouGov question:

    image

    More interesting than you know. Post the EU ref the pollsters were entranced by the fact that yhe electorate were splitting on liberal/authoratative axis. There was speculation that they would use it as a weight in the 2020 election.
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    OUT said:

    saddened said:

    OUT said:

    ydoethur said:

    OUT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Kim May-Il speaks to party followers
    Like a meeting of the KKK
    That's a richly ironic comment considering one of your fellow Nats upthread was complaining you were likely to be compared to terrorists.

    But don't worry, nobody will compare you to the KKK. They were well-organised. Although come to think of it, they did overreach themselves and it ended in at best partial success...
    Don't worry, after your lie about public sector/welsh speaking claim no_one will believe any thing you post.
    Think the word you're looking for is error.

    You obnoxious fool
    Did you log in with the wrong I.D.?
    Banter isn't your strong point is it.

    Tedious bore.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    viewcode said:

    @surbiton @rcs1000
    @Pulpstar @NeilVW

    Thank you for the discusion of Opinium polls. I note that they are now saying they are weighting by "...past vote weight in addition to...party propensity"

    OK, I give up. What is the difference between "weighting by past vote" and "weighting by party propensity"?

    Party propensity would indicate it is done by panel, I think. The party that you normally support.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    NeilVW said:

    The odd thing about the Opinium tables is that Lab and Con retain a similar proportion of their 2015 vote, and furthermore, UKIP retain a higher proportion than either of those two! This certainly doesn't chime with other recent polls.

    The cross-tabs are very peculiar indeed, aren't they? And I've no idea how they've managed to get the Tories up to 47% on such a modest total of crossovers.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060

    Alistair said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Betting post:

    Can I suggest a double:

    Liberal Democrats under 10, at 11-1 with SkyBet.
    Also, Liberal Democrats to hold Southport, 11/8 with SkyBet.

    I think it's perfectly possible you win both, and I think it's unlikely that the LDs get much into double figures if they're not holding Southport.

    I like the sound of that. I've chucked £20 at that, split for a £39.60 return if either part comes in.
    The Lib Dem seat bands market was insane and seemingly still is.
    Betfair limiting under 10 at 10/1 to a fiver. Why they do that rather than shorten the odds is a mystery to me.
    Betfair have been allowing me way more than others on here have been allowed on.
    Bet365 have LibDems 10 and under at 14's. A better price and an extra seat covered too.
    That extra seat might be very important.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2017

    May's event was very near to the Royal Deeside Railway.

    http://www.deeside-railway.co.uk/

    Sadly, only been as far north as Leuchars by train.
    We went on the west Somerset railway today.... minehead to Bishops lydeard . A lovely day
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,950
    NeilVW said:

    viewcode said:

    @surbiton @rcs1000
    @Pulpstar @NeilVW

    Thank you for the discusion of Opinium polls. I note that they are now saying they are weighting by "...past vote weight in addition to...party propensity"

    OK, I give up. What is the difference between "weighting by past vote" and "weighting by party propensity"?

    Party propensity is an evolution of the party-ID variable used in previous elections where respondents were asked if they identified with a particular party and the sample was then weighted according to pre-defined targets coming from sources such as the British Election Study.
    With party propensity, we ask voters how they feel about all of the parties and, from their answers, put together a unique picture of each voter’s view of the whole spectrum of parties. From this we can divide the electorate into groups based on which combination of parties they would or would not consider voting for.

    http://opinium.co.uk/a-note-on-methodology/
    Thank you. You answered that very quickly. Would you happen to have similar pages for the other pollsters?
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727

    Sean_F said:

    <
    Given what else we know about the current political climate, the idea both that Labour under Corbyn is doing little or no worse than under EdM, and that the Lib Dems have received no net increase in support over Brexit whatsoever, does not seem terribly plausible. Certainly, if there's been practically no change at all, apart from half the Ukip vote going to Theresa May and a bit of chopping and changing in Scotland, then that would be very, very strange.

    DYOR but as I said yesterday, I'm not finding Labour making many converts, but also not now losing many compared with last time - the Corbyn doubters are common but generally either plan to vote Labour faut de mieux or have warmed to him a bit now he's appearing as the leader of the Opposition with decent TV coverage. He has a core of 20%ish who think he's great (more than the Milifans ever mustered), plus 10%ish who are willing to go along. Saying "Do you really want a Tory landslide?" works pretty well.

    The really obvious change on the doorstep, though, is ex-Kippers saying they're voting Tory now. Lots of them.
    The polling bears that out. If Labour is stable, but loads of UKIP supporters go Conservative, then the Conservatives will win big.
    We were told that UKIP was a threat to Labour, now it appears they were all Tories on holiday after all. How does that work?
    Obvious conclusion: some of the Ukip vote were ex-Tories and have gone back home. Others were ex-Labour and, having gone over to Ukip, have found the journey to the Tories rather easier than they might otherwise have done.

    So now, instead of Ukip challenging Labour, their voters are going to help the Tories challenge Labour instead. In which capacity, they ought to be somewhat more effective.
    Bit fickle aren't they?
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Probably the most common second language.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    HaroldO said:

    surbiton said:

    Jason said:

    Guardian finds whole concept that people in rural areas are worth politicians' time and effort incomprehensible. Invents silly (and politically convenient) explanation accordingly.
    Except the people she met were bussed in activists, not locals.

    Has she done a single meet the public event yet, anywhere?
    Has Corbyn? Not that it makes any difference. Who would you want leading the country in a crisis? Be honest - Corbyn or May?
    Neither. I think Angus Robertson would make an excellent Prime Minister of the Progressive Alliance if Farron didn't get the gig.
    Angus Robertson would indeed my choice to lead Scotland. They do have good and capable leaders.
    Ok. I know the standard of UK politician in the UK is bad, but seriously?
    Agreed. I still have a wee chuckle when I remember Angus Robertson's wee twitter panic when the Russian Naval fleet parked up in the Moray Firth during bad weather. Even after they left he was complaining about them fly tipping. :)
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Only if it wants to destroy itself.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Only if it wants to destroy itself.
    Surely English is the principal language in Ireland and Malta?

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Ireland.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    RobD said:

    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Probably the most common second language.
    Currently understood by 51% of EU citizens.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,691

    May's event was very near to the Royal Deeside Railway.

    http://www.deeside-railway.co.uk/

    Sadly, only been as far north as Leuchars by train.
    Dr P - I 'yellow penned' Ely to Kings Lynn last week, and Ely to Stansted Airport the week before...

    I hadn't been east of Peterborough by train in the previous 30 years.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Only an hour to go before the big tear up.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,691

    Only an hour to go before the big tear up.

    Are those two women in Hartlepool having a rematch?
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    RobD said:

    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Probably the most common second language.
    True. Maybe if the EU had made English the official language of the Union (keeping all of the other languages of course) and made it a priority to ensure that everyone was fluent in it we would have felt somewhat better about being in it, because
    a) We would have had the special "big win" that all the other countries seem to get
    b) Freedom of movement in all directions would have been a lot easier.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?


    English is the international language (whether they like us or not).

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    surbiton said:
    It's exactly the same as Tusk's letter, and it is an improvement upon "no trade talks until the exit deal is done"
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,252
    Disraeli said:

    RobD said:

    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Probably the most common second language.
    True. Maybe if the EU had made English the official language of the Union (keeping all of the other languages of course) and made it a priority to ensure that everyone was fluent in it we would have felt somewhat better about being in it, because
    a) We would have had the special "big win" that all the other countries seem to get
    b) Freedom of movement in all directions would have been a lot easier.
    c) And Brits wouldn't have to feel awkward and inadequate about their rank inability to learn any other language.

    Win-win-win!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron will win but 40%-41% for Le Pen will still be a significant advance for the FN on the 18% her father got in 2002

    Yes, a lot of people have failed to acknowledge that she's done incredibly well so far.

    She did well in the first round, just not as well as Macron or as some of her more exuberant supporters hoped. But it was nevertheless a strong performance. If she gets 40% in the second round that will easily eclipse anything her father achieved and represent a new high-water mark for the FN.

    She's not going to be President, but 40% is not to be sniffed at.
    What I find interesting is that apparently Macron is only in the final round because of older voters. I wonder what the result of this round would be without them.
    Have they all died off???
    No, but it'll be interesting to see how close it is with voters in the 18-60 bracket.
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    surbiton said:

    NeilVW said:

    Opinium have now published their proper data tables.

    http://opinium.co.uk/political-polling-25th-april-2017/

    71% of Labour voters choose Corbyn as best PM. Is this an improvement ? May 84%.
    The results also confirm the Tory lead in Wales and the 30% in Scotland.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    surbiton said:

    It seems like it. Many Britons will simply respond "F*** Tusk".

    Hard Brexit seems a likely probability now.

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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710
    viewcode said:

    NeilVW said:

    viewcode said:

    @surbiton @rcs1000
    @Pulpstar @NeilVW

    Thank you for the discusion of Opinium polls. I note that they are now saying they are weighting by "...past vote weight in addition to...party propensity"

    OK, I give up. What is the difference between "weighting by past vote" and "weighting by party propensity"?

    Party propensity is an evolution of the party-ID variable used in previous elections where respondents were asked if they identified with a particular party and the sample was then weighted according to pre-defined targets coming from sources such as the British Election Study.
    With party propensity, we ask voters how they feel about all of the parties and, from their answers, put together a unique picture of each voter’s view of the whole spectrum of parties. From this we can divide the electorate into groups based on which combination of parties they would or would not consider voting for.

    http://opinium.co.uk/a-note-on-methodology/
    Thank you. You answered that very quickly. Would you happen to have similar pages for the other pollsters?
    No, I just Googled it, like :smile:
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    edited April 2017
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    surbiton said:
    All they need to do is guarantee reciprocal rights and problem solved.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    A good vote winner for Labour might be to rule out any further rise in the State Pension Age.Perhaps they could even go so far as to reverse the acceleration of the later Pension Age announced by Osborne in 2011 – and revert to the timetable previously announced by the Brown Government.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    saddened said:

    surbiton said:
    All they need to do is guarantee reciprocal rights and problem solved.

    Yeah, but that would mean the EU treating us as equals.

    Which seems to be a problem for them.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    chestnut said:
    Oh, that's superb.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    calum said:
    Amusing how it is reported. SCON 27, SLAB 16, Other 57 :D
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,950
    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Bizarrely, it might reinforce its standing. Before, English could not be adopted as the defacto lingua franca without the accusation of favoring the UK. Now, it can be freely used.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    justin124 said:

    A good vote winner for Labour might be to rule out any further rise in the State Pension Age.Perhaps they could even go so far as to reverse the acceleration of the later Pension Age announced by Osborne in 2011 – and revert to the timetable previously announced by the Brown Government.


    Paid for how? A tax on turnips?

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    The headline figures from that poll are:

    Con 42
    Lab 31
    LD 10
    UKIP 8

    So much tighter than other polls suggest!
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    saddened said:

    surbiton said:
    All they need to do is guarantee reciprocal rights and problem solved.

    Yeah, but that would mean the EU treating us as equals.

    Which seems to be a problem for them.

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    "Opt out" and "rebate" not part of your vocabulary then?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    calum said:
    Colouring NI red on the basis that 8% of voters there support Labour is a bit punchy.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    Tonight's ORB
    42
    31
    TMICIPM
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    saddened said:

    surbiton said:
    All they need to do is guarantee reciprocal rights and problem solved.
    That depends on what they ask for and what we want.

    The hard reality is that most of the 27 are irrelevant to our expat issue.

    Nearly 80% of our expats are in just half a dozen nations.


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    Con 42% Lab 31% LD 10% UKIP 8 % in @ORB_Int poll, too much analysis is given to the the subsamples in the write up

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/exclusive-telegraph-orb-poll-reveals-conservatives-take-lead/
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,252
    edited April 2017
    calum said:
    'Exclusive Telegraph ORB poll: Conservatives take the lead over Labour in Scotland'

    What an exclusive, stunning revelation.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    That ORB headline lead of 11 couldn't be more convenient for the Telegraph. I expect it to widen :)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    saddened said:

    surbiton said:
    All they need to do is guarantee reciprocal rights and problem solved.
    It will be interesting to see the letter Juncker wants us to sign up to but thinks we won't.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710
    RobD said:

    calum said:
    Amusing how it is reported. SCON 27, SLAB 16, Other 57 :D
    And it's apparently Con 6, Lab 8 in Northern Ireland :smile:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/exclusive-telegraph-orb-poll-reveals-conservatives-take-lead/
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Freggles said:

    saddened said:

    surbiton said:
    All they need to do is guarantee reciprocal rights and problem solved.

    Yeah, but that would mean the EU treating us as equals.

    Which seems to be a problem for them.

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    "Opt out" and "rebate" not part of your vocabulary then?

    Until TMay, we had no-one the calibre of Thatcher.

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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,950
    perdix said:

    Disraeli said:

    Just a random musing from an old fool (me)....

    but isn't it going to be a bit strange if the EU continue to use English as a common language after we leave?
    Wouldn't German or French be more logical a choice for a club without the awkward squad British in it any more?

    Only if it wants to destroy itself.
    Surely English is the principal language in Ireland and Malta?

    If I understand correctly (I may not), Ireland nominated Gaelic as its language when it joined, presumably rationalising that as the UK was also a member, it had the luxury to do so.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,252
    RobD said:

    calum said:
    Amusing how it is reported. SCON 27, SLAB 16, Other 57 :D
    Use of the term SNP is now strictly verboten.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Bit fickle aren't they?

    Not really. Neither the dominant faction in the Conservative Party nor pretty much anybody in the Labour Party was representing strong Euroscepticism or social conservatism. Now, Theresa May is committed to leading the UK out of the EU, and the Conservatives appeal way more to the patriotic and provincial instincts of a large slice of the old Labour core vote than the Far Left metropolitan faction that has captured the Labour Party. Given also that Ukip is moving further towards a Far Right position, and that many see its mission as having been fulfilled, it's therefore a much easier step for ex-Labour Ukippers - who have already broken with their own former brand loyalty - to complete the journey across to the old enemy.

    May's nascent combination of a more right-wing approach to issues such as immigration and balancing the budget, and more centrist (perhaps even soft Left) positioning on economic interventionism, quite appeals to many of these ex-Labour defectors. This re-positioning is likely to continue, firstly because Theresa May should emerge from this election with a personal mandate and a very large Parliamentary majority for her manifesto, and secondly because a substantial increase in the proportion of Tory MPs from outside of Southern England will alter the composition of her parliamentary party and, therefore, of the people that it represents, and their views and interests.

    IMHO it's not really the voters that have changed after all. It's the parties that have shifted around them.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2017
    calum said:
    eh?

    Con 42% Lab 31%

    ???

    Not good for the tories.

    I may come to regret this, but I've just cashed out of my CON spread buy @ 388

    Bought @ 378. 10x stake profit is ok I guess.
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