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  • isamisam Posts: 41,135

    BMG poll for the Independent.

    54% want Theresa May to take part in TV debates with other party leaders

    25% Don't

    I am sure I saw 4/1 being bandied about re her taking part in a debate, but cant remember who it was with
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    SeanT said:

    I just had turbot twice in one day. For lunch by choice, second time for dinner as the chef insisted. Both Michelin star restaurants.

    They kinda summed up the problem (and virtues) of French cooking. The first guy tried to innovate with shiitake mushrooms and cous-cous and bleah. Ruined a fillet of the world's tastiest fish.

    Second guy served it classic and French: simply grilled, with unctuous mash and tarragony bearnaise. Delicious.

    The French should just give up trying to invent new cuisines. It's not in their DNA. Instead they should just accept they perfected a world class style of cooking, some time ago, which doesn't change much, Is quite predictable, but when they get it right it's still fucking brilliant and always will be.

    A bit like Japanese food. No one is ever going to improve on raw tuna sashimi, soy, and wasabi, so why bother?

    A very good post. Agreed.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    Yup, and pre-determined to think police officers are getting younger
    My girlfriend has been saying that for years, but then she is a little older than me. I think they are just getting shorter....which is odd.
  • kle4 said:

    It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
    I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,127
    MrsB said:

    so he can't win in your view. If he says it is a sin you attack him. If he says it isn't a sin you attack him. It's actually nothing to do with what he says or does, it's all about you not liking the Lib Dems. In other words, part of the political game. Why not just say you don't like the Lib Dems though, instead of trying to dress it up as some sort of righteous attack.
    Farron's royally mucked this up, and he's given the media and his opponents a really unhelpful story. He could have handled it much better IMO. It's a problem of his own making, and you can hardly blame his opponents for exploiting the story.

    (I'm fairly pro-Farron as LD leader).
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    kle4 said:

    It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
    and hundreds of better ones too
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.

    What Have You Done to Deserve This?
  • A pun so awesome, you'd think I wrote it

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/856974833757945856
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,527

    I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
    Isn't there a website that cures this problem by playing you a random catchy song to displace the previous one stuck in your brain?

    Here it is: http://unhearit.com/
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    Of course she does, her father was an Anglican vicar, that does not mean she thinks it should be illegal as her vote for gay marriage proves. All of us sin at one time or another, that does not mean you deny what you did was a sin if you are religious
    So Theresa May considers gay sex a sin. Now we know.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    I am sure I saw 4/1 being bandied about re her taking part in a debate, but cant remember who it was with
    PP I think.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337

    BMG poll for the Independent.

    54% want Theresa May to take part in TV debates with other party leaders

    25% Don't

    Will she risk it? Not engaging with them has worked so far.
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    Alistair said:

    Many accounts on here will be marked as sharp and will move the price regardless of the volume.
    I remember back in the day when one of the firms hideously mispriced all the London Assembly seats, had the Tories at 6/1 in Beckenham and things like that. Many people off here lumped on, me included.
    Fortunately political betting is still a small book in the scheme of things, but I'm sure they have records and algorithms tracking it regardless,
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    MrsB said:

    Again, just so you are clear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39703444
    Edit: Tim says gay sex is not a sin. No hedging about. Can we please now put this aside?
    Well, no, because he might just be saying that now because his party has told him to, mightn't he? If he has a mindset which is capable of defining actions of whatever kind as sins (which rules out me voting for him, or his party as long as he leads it) he is rather vulnerable to questioning on the following lines: tell us some things you think are sins, and explain why they are sins; if the answer is that Nobodaddy rules them out in the Good Book, then why are you privileging gay sex, which is also, on most God-bothering views, ruled out by the Good Book? If that isn't the answer, then why do they count as sins? If you are standing for high public office you have to put up with this sort of stuff, and asking for it "to be put aside" on the grounds of gentility and good taste simply does not cut it.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    @Calum re E Dumbarton

    It is a much harder seat to call for me since I know less about the area (I have lived in both the other seats for a fair amount of time).
    However I think that it is fair to say the 2 candidates Swinson and Nicolson have much higher profiles than average and therefore more people will judge them rather than the parties they represent compared to a normal seat.
    Considering that the collapsed of the Labour vote has already taken place in the seat, losing almost 10k from 2010 to 2015, there might not be much campaigning from them this time around and with still over 6k available it could be that enough Lab>LD switchers could make the difference. That along with 4.5K Tory vote and relatively low overall SNP vote of 40% in 2015 makes it possible for Swinson to win with the backing of some extra No voters. The other thing in Jo's favour might be turnout, it was really high last time at over 80% at the height of the Nats surge and if 10% of them decide not to turn up this time around that again could make all the difference.
    I think that it is probably about as likely as NE Fife as a gain due to the lowish SNP vote which was spread fairly evenly across all seats last time giving the Unionist voters a clear and fairly well known person to back. Also this is an area where the LDs have not done well at Holyrood but saw modest progress last year.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    HaroldO said:

    My girlfriend has been saying that for years, but then she is a little older than me. I think they are just getting shorter....which is odd.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/49066
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Smart plan. Let Corbyn own this result.

    Though his frontbenchers actually should be those who agree with him ...
  • Isn't there a website that cures this problem by playing you a random catchy song to displace the previous one stuck in your brain?

    Here it is: http://unhearit.com/
    Tried it. Failed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    Former Labour voted in Wales on BBC news has switched to May 'she is absolutely wonderful, Mr Corbyn bye, bye!'
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Jesus said 'love the sinner, hate the sin' that does not mean he thought there were no sins!
    Jesus also said Judge not, lest ye be judged.

    Jesus loved sinners and deliberately sought out their company, but expressed scorn and contempt for the Pharisees and Sanhedrin because of their rigid views on the Law.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mike has strong understanding of the educational and especially the university sector.

    He's worked for several universities, he's aware of why older people are less likely to have attended university than younger people.
    Since when did OGH need to have TSE defending him?
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    So.. emerging from lurkdom as an election approaches, some thoughts from Shropshire:

    The only real betting market is in Telford - the other four seats are all in the "1/200 Tory" bracket and show no signs of a surprise. Given the national swing, the sitting MP should secure her place, but watch for who Labour (currently 5-1) put up against her (and whether they goad her into a Twitter row which permeates into the MSM!).

    The local authority - Shropshire.. Telford isn't up this year - is already 60pc Tory and going nowhere else. The biggest threat is lack of new blood - a couple of active ones have stood down, and the 72 year old leader has been persuaded to stay despite announcing he'd be retiring last year. Lab are standing in fewer than half of seats, and even the second-placed LibDems are only fielding in around 40 of 74 seats.

    Leave came in at 63 in Telford and 56 in Shropshire. Anecdotally, the Lab-Con and UKIP-Con shifts described elsewhere seem to have some traction.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,100

    :lol:

    Actual LOL, my wife asked what was so funny.

    :+1:
    Tell her I'm always the one to blame.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    edited April 2017

    I was a bugger but I owe them a lot.

    Fritz was deputy head in my day - I think he did French as well.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,127
    bobajobPB said:

    What Have You Done to Deserve This?
    There are lots of Opportunities for puns here. A man could get arrested for using them, except they're all Absolutely Fabulous.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
    That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,977

    Bloody hell, Mr. W! I just googled up Hain and saw that he went to Emanuel. Well nevermind, old fellow, the mistakes our parents make don't have to scar us for life.
    Ha! It was in effect a grammar even though it on the headmasters conference. I didn't know any fee payers, and all had free school meals. Family moved over the river after I was accepted there.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,623
    justin124 said:

    Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
    Interviewer: "Prime Minister - What is your position on extra-marital sex?"

    May: "Shall I draw a diagram?"
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    justin124 said:

    Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
    From a position of very little knowledge (not unusual I'll admit), is there not some marital sex which is sinful?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited April 2017
    Return to your constituencies and prepare for government turn the phone off, close the blinds and don't answer the door until after the GE.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    justin124 said:

    Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
    They do, Gove was just putting politics before religion
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337
    kle4 said:

    People like me? People who have voted LD multiple times, want them to recover significant support as quickly as possible even though I don't support all their policies because I am not a fan of May or Corbyn, because I want as many parties to have significant support as possible, because I don't like parties to have huge majorities, who just said Farron was better than people give him credit for? I even corrected a colleague thinking of voting LD who said they'd heard Farron thought being gay was a sin and so was not sure.

    Your response is no different to Corbynistas complaining about the media focusing on issues they don't want to talk about in favour of the things they want to go on about, and how unfair that is. 'People like me' have only gone on about it because Farron chose to give obfuscating answers to very very simple questions, and then answered it simply which shows he could have avoided all of this in the first place.

    It's a question of smart politics - he made an issue of something he did not need to, to the benefit of his opponents.

    So tell me Mark, what sort of person am I? What do you mean by that? What is it I am attempting to do when I complain that Farron's lack of clarity is hurting them, and I'd like them to do better?

    For clarity's sake, it should be obvious that 'the LDs need to get off this issue' means 'They need to get people to stop talking about it', not 'they need to stop bringing it up' .

    Once more, we see the LD supporters actively driving people away from giving them their votes.
    Worth considering that when you see some LDs responding with hostile and unfounded assertions to criticism like this, assuming that because some of those criticising the party or leader are undoubtedly doing so simply because it is the LDs, that all of those criticising the party or leader are, that they are not any more immune to partisan nonsense than the other parties, of the same shady and ignorant tactics to deflect and distract and argue against points not made in favour of the ones they wish had been made.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Didn't know about O'Sullivan/Corbyn. It would be nice if someone could compile a list of 'celebrities for Corbyn'. Some might be rather annoying but Ronnie's endorsement feeels quite endearing. He probably really believes in it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,100

    There are lots of Opportunities for puns here. A man could get arrested for using them, except they're all Absolutely Fabulous.
    Stop Being Boring.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2017
    Over in France MLP is planning to ban the slaughter of animals without stunning. There was an article in the Times last week that seemed to imply that we might do the same.

    Meanwhile Melenchon is launching a consultation with his party about organised abstentions or spoiled ballots in the Presidential run off in a protest against the choices of 'the far right or extreme finance'.

    Opinions polls have Melenchon supporters favouring Macron over MLP by a ratio of 2.5:1.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    PClipp said:

    Sometimes your posts make me sigh, Mr HYUDF, and sometimes I find them very sensible. This is one of the latter. I don`t understand why there is a campaign by some people in the press to crucify Farron, but to leave May alone.
    Indeed but I think it may have to do with rather more Tory voters believing gay sex is sinful than LD voters, even if they now accept homosexuality should be legal
  • Ugh the mental image I didn't want, shame on you @hugorifkind

    https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/856978270411206656
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Moral and political cowardice. Just what you want to elect.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    They do, Gove was just putting politics before religion
    You do not speak for all Christians!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Why isn't Clegg leading the LDs?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    On the day that David Ward was reselected as a Lib Dem candidate.
    Yes, not a great move was it.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    AnneJGP said:

    I wonder whether Labour voters who don't feel they can vote for Mr Corbyn will feel that voting Labour in the Locals absolves them for voting Conservative in the GE?
    Might do. I had a local election on same day as general last time. I voted differently in the two contests.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    bobajobPB said:

    No you are conflating what the bible says with what he believes. The question was not whether the bible considers gay sex a sin (clearly it does). The question was whether he considers it a sin (he does not, as it transpires). Most Christians pick and choose from the bible - quite reasonably. Otherwise they would all beat their children with God on their side.
    He does think it is a sin, he changed his position because of political pressure and yes some Christians do still smack their children too
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
    The most convincing one I've heard in recent years is Olly Murs "Troublemaker" with Britney Spears "Toxic".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337
    For what it is worth, I absolutely believe Farron when he finally clarified he does not believe homosexual sex is not sinful. From the rest of his record I think that makes sense. I think he looked uncomfortable because he had no good answer as to why he had trouble being clear about it before, but I don't think he would be so bold as to flat out lie when being so clear in his final response.

    Sorry if that goes against the 'truest words' spoken here tonight.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,977

    Yup. In "At the Drop of A Hat", we have Flanders saying I live in Kensington - naturally; [points to DS and whispers:] Battersea! [normal voice] He calls it South Chelsea. - that line is from the opening of "At the Drop of Another Hat".
    Bingo.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    MrsB said:

    so he can't win in your view. If he says it is a sin you attack him. If he says it isn't a sin you attack him. It's actually nothing to do with what he says or does, it's all about you not liking the Lib Dems. In other words, part of the political game. Why not just say you don't like the Lib Dems though, instead of trying to dress it up as some sort of righteous attack.
    I actually voted for the LDs at the last election (probably first and last time) but regardless of my views of the LDs it does not change the definition of what a sin is and nor can Mr Farron and he knows it
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,767
    edited April 2017
    kle4 said:

    Will she risk it? Not engaging with them has worked so far.
    If necessary she should agree to do the seven leader debate Cameron did in 2015.

    Because it's zero risk - with seven people it isn't really a debate - nobody gets the chance to build up any momentum so it's effectively just a series of soundbites.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    HYUFD said:

    Of course she does, her father was an Anglican vicar, that does not mean she thinks it should be illegal as her vote for gay marriage proves. All of us sin at one time or another, that does not mean you deny what you did was a sin if you are religious
    Are religious beliefs passed down intact via the male line?

    It seems that under 60% of self-identifying Christians believe in the Resurrection http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153121; if they are prepared to jettison that there's no saying what remains - why would they necessarily believe in sin? So there is no "of course" about it.

    I have to say my world view is being shaken to its foundations. I thought it was a given that LDs were dull but inoffensive, and finding them hanging out "No gays or Jews" signs comes as something of a surprise.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337
    edited April 2017
    AndyJS said:

    Why isn't Clegg leading the LDs?

    There was thing called the Coalition, which actually was pretty decent* but the public hated it, and then...

    *no that doesn't make sense! 'People like me' are motivated by wanting to attack the LDs, I read it on the internet, so I'd hate the coalition, must do, as they were a key part of it.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Tell her I'm always the one to blame.
    I didn't care, and I still don't understand.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    bobajobPB said:

    That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
    Most Christians in Britain are not literalists. The Bible is a very diverse, muti faceted work and contains many internal contradictions.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    bobajobPB said:

    That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
    Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440
    edited April 2017

    The most convincing one I've heard in recent years is Olly Murs "Troublemaker" with Britney Spears "Toxic".
    Not quiet a mash up, but I still have nightmares when I hear/think about this duet, and I normally love The Shat's musical output

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7_5b1nqg_o
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594

    You do not speak for all Christians!
    If you asked the Pope he would give a different view and if I was taking the view of the Pope or Michael Gove as representative of Christians it would be the former
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Stop Being Boring.
    Left to his own devices, he probably would.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,245
    AndyJS said:

    Why isn't Clegg leading the LDs?

    You'd be forgiven for thinking he is. Farron only gets on the telly to hop from one foot to another over gay sex.....
  • I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
    At least call me maybe was a wonderful lip dub by the Miami dolphins cheerleaders. Just think about that instead.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,127

    Left to his own devices, he probably would.
    Oh come on, I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing.
  • At least call me maybe was a wonderful lip dub by the Miami dolphins cheerleaders. Just think about that instead.
    That was nice, if you watch The Big Bang Theory, then you'll love this (watch it all the way to the end)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdLvUkLW5Jk
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,370
    bobajobPB said:

    That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
    I hope so.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Are religious beliefs passed down intact via the male line?

    It seems that under 60% of self-identifying Christians believe in the Resurrection http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153121; if they are prepared to jettison that there's no saying what remains - why would they necessarily believe in sin? So there is no "of course" about it.

    I have to say my world view is being shaken to its foundations. I thought it was a given that LDs were dull but inoffensive, and finding them hanging out "No gays or Jews" signs comes as something of a surprise.
    You may or may not believe in the literal view of the Resurrection but you cannot change the definition of what the Resurrection is, just as you may or may not abstain from different sins, that does not stop them being sins
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337

    Most Christians in Britain are not literalists. The Bible is a very diverse, muti faceted work and contains many internal contradictions.
    Indeed - we wouldn't have so many iterations of christianity if it were not possible to believe some very different things, interpreting things very differently, including what is sinful or not, despite being based off the same sources.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,096
    edited April 2017
    If you sleep with a female slave then you need to sacrifice a ram where you had your wicked way.

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    geoffw said:

    Ha! It was in effect a grammar even though it on the headmasters conference. I didn't know any fee payers, and all had free school meals. Family moved over the river after I was accepted there.
    Emanuel was certainly regarded as a grammar school in my day, albeit a rather inferior one compared to the others on offer in our part of London.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    Tell her I'm always the one to blame.

    Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
    Wiki says direct quote is:

    He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

    Proverbs 13:24
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337
    Pulpstar said:

    If you sleep with a female slave then you need to sacrifice a ram where you had your wicked way.

    Makes sense.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Sean_F said:

    I hope so.
    Why? Are you advocating violence against children?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,527
    Pulpstar said:

    If you sleep with a female slave then you need to sacrifice a ram where you had your wicked way.

    Perhaps that's why Corbyn keeps getting ram-packed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    bobajobPB said:

    Wiki says direct quote is:

    He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

    Proverbs 13:24
    Ie a parent should discipline their child
  • Another PR disaster for United Airlines, but they are still better than BA

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/856982271722762241
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,120

    Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
    It's a bastardised version of Proverbs 13:24;

    'He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.'
  • SeanT said:

    Remain buys prosecco, cava or the cheaper champagne. M&S own brand blanc de blanc etc


    Your genuine pukka Leaver buys Duvall-Leroy 2000 or, of course, proper Nyetimber English fizz.
    There are plenty better English Fizz s than Nietimber :)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,370
    bobajobPB said:

    Why? Are you advocating violence against children?
    Very much so, when they deserve it.
  • Pulpstar said:

    If you sleep with a female slave then you need to sacrifice a ram where you had your wicked way.

    So if you ram your female slave, sacrifice a ram?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,623
    Pulpstar said:

    If you sleep with a female slave then you need to sacrifice a ram where you had your wicked way.

    If you sleep with a ram do you have to sacrifice a female slave?

    BTW, Was that a line from the Lib Dem, Tory or UKIP manifesto?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,977

    Emanuel was certainly regarded as a grammar school in my day, albeit a rather inferior one compared to the others on offer in our part of London.
    Sure, it went downhill, but an alumnus put you on the internet.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    I think I've read more about religion in this thread than I ever did at school...this is not a good thing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337
    Looking at my bible, I'm amazed how much smaller the New Testament is compared to the Old. I guess the old has to fill in all the backstory details
    bobajobPB said:

    Wiki says direct quote is:

    He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

    Proverbs 13:24
    13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.

    I think this was what OGH was getting at earlier with educated remainers and non-educated Tories.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    You may or may not believe in the literal view of the Resurrection but you cannot change the definition of what the Resurrection is, just as you may or may not abstain from different sins, that does not stop them being sins
    Farron and Gove were asked whether they thought gay sex a sin. They do not. What your interpretation of the bible is is irrelevant to that question. You have lost this argument.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    If you asked the Pope he would give a different view and if I was taking the view of the Pope or Michael Gove as representative of Christians it would be the former
    I am no Catholic, so do not expect me to either defend or speak for the pope, but the Catholic Church has never prized Biblical literalism. Catholic teachings are based on Church tradition via the Apostolic line. Indeed for centuries Popes exterminated people for wanting to study the Bible in their own language. They were afraid that if ordinary people could read it for themselves and form their own opinions on Jesus's teachings that the Catholic Church would lose power.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,424
    AndyJS said:

    Con 12/1 in North Tyneside. They won the mayoral race there a few years ago.

    They won the mayoral race in the borough of North Tyneside.

    Tyneside North constituency is the poorer half of North Tyneside borough and is the old Wallsend constituency.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,120
    kle4 said:

    Looking at my bible, I'm amazed how much smaller the New Testament is compared to the Old. I guess the old has to fill in all the backstory details

    13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.

    I think this was what OGH was getting at earlier with educated remainers and non-educated Tories.
    Sounds more like what's about to happen to Labour :wink:
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    HYUFD said:

    Ie a parent should discipline their child
    Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,096
    'Destined to be the world's biggest bunny'
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106

    A pun so awesome, you'd think I wrote it

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/856974833757945856

    Hopefully Taramasalata is not affected in a similar way.
    It might trigger a double dip recession.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337

    They were afraid that if ordinary people could read it for themselves and form their own opinions on Jesus's teachings that the Catholic Church would lose power.
    Well they haven't done too badly, all things considered, but they were probably right about that.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    kle4 said:

    Makes sense.
    Do Theresa May and HYUFD believe this too?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    bobajobPB said:

    Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...
    Yes and many do legally still beat their children, provided they use reasonable force when disciplining them it is not illegal
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,337
    edited April 2017
    ydoethur said:

    Sounds more like what's about to happen to Labour :wink:
    That is your interpretation. When I ponder the word of OGH, I feel I am more of a literalist, the one true faith. :)

    (Beware the false prophet TSE, he does not speak with the word of OGH always)
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    HYUFD said:

    You may or may not believe in the literal view of the Resurrection but you cannot change the definition of what the Resurrection is, just as you may or may not abstain from different sins, that does not stop them being sins
    You'd fit right in to our Mormon congregation :)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,120
    bobajobPB said:

    Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...

    It's an attempt at translating Hebrew and could read 'rules' rather than 'rod' in the original. Equally, however, that in itself could be an idiomatic comment for corporal punishment so it is distinctly ambiguous either way.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Hull West Labour shortlist

    James Anthony (NHS nurse, Unison activist)
    Daren Hale (Hull Council Deputy Leader)
    Emma Hardy (former teacher now NUT officer; Hull West & Hessle CLP woman officer)
    Sarah Hayward (Camden Council Leader)
    Josh Newlove (former East Riding Cllr, Project Manager at Policy Networ, assistant to Lord Liddle)
    David Prescott
    Sam Tarry (Barking Cllr)

  • Disraeli said:

    Hopefully Taramasalata is not affected in a similar way.
    It might trigger a double dip recession.
    All these Hellenic puns, I think we're losing our marbles.

    My all time favourite thread was the one where I put in a load of Hellenic puns, just to show off.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,370
    bobajobPB said:

    Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...
    Why should that be a problem?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,527
    @HYUFD - If a gay couple are married, is it still a sin for them to have sex?
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