I'm in the Loire valley. I heard some eyebrow raising gossip about Macron today from a well-informed source. Juicier than the usual. My source said it was the kind of thing that, if it came out, and was proved, could tip it to Le Pen.
Put up, or shut up.
I think it's quite ballsy to post even what he has, from inside France. Good plot for a novel if that is his last ever post and we wake to headlines of "International Thriller Writer Gruesomely Murdered in Swanky Chateau".
.... whilst drinking a £2,000 per bottle of wine (unlike the £5 Tesco plonk he used to go on about).
When Labour received over 400 seats, it took the Tories 13 years to get back into government, and 18 years to win a majority.
That's what makes me think Lab to Con switchers might bottle it.
Do they really want to be out of power for a further 13 years?
I don't think someone who identified so closely with Lab that "Lab are out of power for 13 years" and "*We* are out of power for 13 years" were synonymous to them, would switch lab - con in the first place.
It depends how they are seeing the election right now.
May v Corbyn
If they see it as Con v Lab that might cause them to bottle it.
I reckon Corbyn is going to be mentioned by the Tory machine more than Nicola talks about independence.
Jesus. Just remembered I've got a big free Michelin star dinner tonight. With endless Sancerre and Vouvray. And champagne. I'm gonna get pissed and spill the Macron beans all over PB just for the giggles.
I hope the mods are on their toes.
Is this the story about him being secretly capitalist? Electoral poison in France if true.
Can you imagine if we'd seen polls like this in 2010? #PBTories would have sent this site into a complete meltdown!
With this level of support how on earth do the Communists Greens succeed in holding onto this seat?
Because its in Brighton.
Labour are in worse shape and the Conservatives have a ceiling of under 30% in that constituency.
I would love it if Con took that from the Greens - there are few forces as snobby and superior as a Green party leader talking about how they represent the people.
Unfortunately seeing a Corbyninsta take, say, Saffron Waldon, for similar effect, seems unlikely.
Is there analysis anywhere on the political views of the Tory candidates in, say, their top 150 targets? I remember something from Conhome previously. One would think Cameron will have had some sort of influence on that level of Tory? They may shape the next decade.
I'm in the Loire valley. I heard some eyebrow raising gossip about Macron today from a well-informed source. Juicier than the usual. My source said it was the kind of thing that, if it came out, and was proved, could tip it to Le Pen.
Put up, or shut up.
I think it's quite ballsy to post even what he has, from inside France. Good plot for a novel if that is his last ever post and we wake to headlines of "International Thriller Writer Gruesomely Murdered in Swanky Chateau".
They'd just arrange an "accident", after three bottles of wine anyone would believe he stumbled and fell down the stairs, accidentally repeatedly stabbing himself on the way down.
I wonder if the really important electoral consequence of the referendum is that millions of voters in Labour seats have, for the first time in decades, discovered that their vote can make a difference. And that Labour don't actually represent them. That they don't have to vote Labour because "I always have done", and they do have a choice. And millions are therefore intent on exercising that choice.
The further interesting thing is that if there is a Tory landslide on the back of sweeping through the Labour heartlands it will fundamentally change the Tory Party as well. A lot of MPs are far more likely to be the local product of their constituencies, possibly from Labour families and will be highly motivated to lobby for improvements to their forgotten communities. And for the first time in decades the Tories will have electoral reasons for delivering improvements.
I'm in the Loire valley. I heard some eyebrow raising gossip about Macron today from a well-informed source. Juicier than the usual. My source said it was the kind of thing that, if it came out, and was proved, could tip it to Le Pen.
Put up, or shut up.
I think it's quite ballsy to post even what he has, from inside France. Good plot for a novel if that is his last ever post and we wake to headlines of "International Thriller Writer Gruesomely Murdered in Swanky Chateau".
They'd just arrange an "accident", after three bottles of wine anyone would believe he stumbled and fell down the stairs, accidentally repeatedly stabbing himself on the way down.
I'm in the Loire valley. I heard some eyebrow raising gossip about Macron today from a well-informed source. Juicier than the usual. My source said it was the kind of thing that, if it came out, and was proved, could tip it to Le Pen.
Put up, or shut up.
I think it's quite ballsy to post even what he has, from inside France. Good plot for a novel if that is his last ever post and we wake to headlines of "International Thriller Writer Gruesomely Murdered in Swanky Chateau".
They'd just arrange an "accident", after three bottles of wine anyone would believe he stumbled and fell down the stairs, accidentally repeatedly stabbing himself on the way down.
When Labour received over 400 seats, it took the Tories 13 years to get back into government, and 18 years to win a majority.
That's what makes me think Lab to Con switchers might bottle it.
Do they really want to be out of power for a further 13 years?
That's ascribing the activists' viewpoint to the voters. The only time the voters are 'in power' is on polling day.
If a life-long Labour voter has got to the point of not voting Labour, his/her identification with the party has already suffered severe damage. S/he already feels 'out of power' within the Labour party.
It's been said that a key factor in the Leave vote was the feeling 'What have we got to lose - nothing'. The hypothetical tribal Labour voter here is in the same position, only over their longstanding party loyalty.
How far are the first time Labour voters in 1997, shifting to the centre-right 20 years later? Would be looking at the behaviour of 38+ voters.
They haven't shifted to the right. The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
Backed Aberdeen South, WAK but the pick of the bunch is
East Renfrewshire @ 5-2.
Betfair Sportsbook don't seem to want to take a single penny from me on that seat though. Tories hold Eastwood remember.
Beware the Constituency boundaries differences. The Westminster version takes a chunk out of a neighbouring and deeply unfriendly to Tories constituency.
Jesus. Just remembered I've got a big free Michelin star dinner tonight. With endless Sancerre and Vouvray. And champagne. I'm gonna get pissed and spill the Macron beans all over PB just for the giggles.
I hope the mods are on their toes.
Is this the story about him being secretly capitalist? Electoral poison in France if true.
I struggle to understand if this is a 'serious political story'. Even if it's true, libel and privacy laws might prevent it being published in the UK or France.
But if it could be true, why not pass it onto a NYT or Washington Post journalist ASAP for fact checking? Or a contact in another country where free speech usually trumps privacy, e.g. Canada.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
How far are the first time Labour voters in 1997, shifting to the centre-right 20 years later? Would be looking at the behaviour of 38+ voters.
They haven't shifted to the right. The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
Theresa May is delivering the main objective from Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto as well.
Backed Aberdeen South, WAK but the pick of the bunch is
East Renfrewshire @ 5-2.
Betfair Sportsbook don't seem to want to take a single penny from me on that seat though. Tories hold Eastwood remember.
Beware the Constituency boundaries differences. The Westminster version takes a chunk out of a neighbouring and deeply unfriendly to Tories constituency.
Sure - I think the Labour vote will collapso there getting Tories over the line, mind.
Fife and Edi West look great thanks. Got my pennies on with Paddy Power, Betfair Sportsbook don't want to seem to take my business any more.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
Assuming they don't care if any sexual rumours are true, a scandal involving money perhaps. But I've heard nothing and speculate nothing.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
I dunno, he could have murdered someone? I'd argue that affairs aren't as scandalous as they used to be.
Dunno. My dyed in the wool, not interested in politics, just votes Labour, missus has disowned Corbyn. If she doesn't vote for them, they are FUBAR.
My champagne-socialist hard left (she has Lenin books on her bookshelf & is from a long line of miners) step mother is planning on voting LD. They are very screwed.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
I dunno, he could have murdered someone? I'd argue that affairs aren't as scandalous as they used to be.
At that point it crosses from scandalous to downright illegal though.
How far are the first time Labour voters in 1997, shifting to the centre-right 20 years later? Would be looking at the behaviour of 38+ voters.
They haven't shifted to the right. The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
Theresa May is delivering the main objective from Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto as well.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
I dunno, he could have murdered someone? I'd argue that affairs aren't as scandalous as they used to be.
At that point it crosses from scandalous to downright illegal though.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
If Macron wore red shoes you might have a case ....
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
How far are the first time Labour voters in 1997, shifting to the centre-right 20 years later? Would be looking at the behaviour of 38+ voters.
They haven't shifted to the right. The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
Theresa May is delivering the main objective from Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto as well.
Michael Foot wasn't all bad.
I was reading his speech to The Commons after Argentina invaded The Falkands, such an impressive speaker.
Can't see ever Corbyn make a speech of that substance, passion, democracy, and patriotism
Dunno. My dyed in the wool, not interested in politics, just votes Labour, missus has disowned Corbyn. If she doesn't vote for them, they are FUBAR.
My champagne-socialist hard left (she has Lenin books on her bookshelf & is from a long line of miners) step mother is planning on voting LD. They are very screwed.
Because I bought the Tories on the spreads the other day, I'm just nervous.
I get all weak kneed when I've bet on something I really want to happen.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
Bestiality? Incest? Dwarf sex?
Enough of routine weekend entertainment in Luton !! .....
How far are the first time Labour voters in 1997, shifting to the centre-right 20 years later? Would be looking at the behaviour of 38+ voters.
They haven't shifted to the right. The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
Theresa May is delivering the main objective from Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto as well.
Michael Foot wasn't all bad.
I was reading his speech to The Commons after Argentina invaded The Falkands, such an impressive speaker.
Can't see ever Corbyn make a speech of that substance, passion, democracy, and patriotism
It was a great speech. I listened to it on the radio at the time.
Lib Dems are odds against in Ed West and Fife North East on Betfair Sports book.
PILE ON.
Agreed. I think those two are the easiest to LibDem gains.
M in only doubt in Ed West is I possibly ressurgent Tories choose not to vote LD and SNP sneak in on a split vote.
Interesting. I suppose the same thing is part of why SLAB will struggle to revive as part of tactical unionist voting? SCON will feel they have a decent shot of becoming the default Unionist option, even if SLAB were in front before, so it's not worth switching?
Correct. It's part of a secret plan to drive all the Jewish Labour voters straight over to the Tories. Historically, it was always said that the Liberals/lib Dems didn't really want to win elections - this is the sort of event that makes me think it's true.
Blimey. Chuggers just walked away from my door when they saw the No Cold Callers sign. That's a first. Strange times. British Heart Foundation. That gets them a donation.
I wonder if the really important electoral consequence of the referendum is that millions of voters in Labour seats have, for the first time in decades, discovered that their vote can make a difference. And that Labour don't actually represent them. That they don't have to vote Labour because "I always have done", and they do have a choice. And millions are therefore intent on exercising that choice.
The further interesting thing is that if there is a Tory landslide on the back of sweeping through the Labour heartlands it will fundamentally change the Tory Party as well. A lot of MPs are far more likely to be the local product of their constituencies, possibly from Labour families and will be highly motivated to lobby for improvements to their forgotten communities. And for the first time in decades the Tories will have electoral reasons for delivering improvements.
Great theory! The problem is that the candidates in the no-hope seats, which will "come in with the tide" this time, have candidates chosen by local Associations that tend to be more right wing than the mainstream lot. So they have chosen swivel-eyed loons to have a crack at a no-hope seat to get a bit of experience on their CVs. There have been academic studies that show that unwinnable seats have more extremist candidates.
Backed Aberdeen South, WAK but the pick of the bunch is
East Renfrewshire @ 5-2.
Betfair Sportsbook don't seem to want to take a single penny from me on that seat though. Tories hold Eastwood remember.
Beware the Constituency boundaries differences. The Westminster version takes a chunk out of a neighbouring and deeply unfriendly to Tories constituency.
What's nice about the two LibDem prospects is that there is 80% overlap with Holyrood seats: so 80% of the Westminster Edinburgh West seat is Edinburgh Western, and there is a similar degree of overlap with NE Fife.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
The sommelier is being a bit mean with the free wine. You may be spared the terrible truth about Macron and his XXXXXXXXX with a XXXXXXXXX XXXX XXX XXXXXXXX next to the zebra-like XXXXXXXX in XXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX 78 illegally trafficked Chinese samphire-pickers in lederhosen.
The sommelier might be keeping his bottle but yours seems to have disappeared.
How far are the first time Labour voters in 1997, shifting to the centre-right 20 years later? Would be looking at the behaviour of 38+ voters.
They haven't shifted to the right. The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
Theresa May is delivering the main objective from Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto as well.
Michael Foot wasn't all bad.
He was a good man, and a patriot. Sadly, he was also utterly economically illiterate.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
Bestiality? Incest? Dwarf sex?
Dwarf sex is pretty de rigueur at smart parties in the Paris suburbs.
Lib Dems are odds against in Ed West and Fife North East on Betfair Sports book.
PILE ON.
Agreed. I think those two are the easiest to LibDem gains.
M in only doubt in Ed West is I possibly ressurgent Tories choose not to vote LD and SNP sneak in on a split vote.
Interesting. I suppose the same thing is part of why SLAB will struggle to revive as part of tactical unionist voting? SCON will feel they have a decent shot of becoming the default Unionist option, even if SLAB were in front before, so it's not worth switching?
Well I will lend my vote to the LD in Ed West. Anything to remind the SNP that there is political Gravity and the mess they are making of education, the police, etc has been noticed
How far are the first time Labour voters in 1997, shifting to the centre-right 20 years later? Would be looking at the behaviour of 38+ voters.
They haven't shifted to the right. The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
Theresa May is delivering the main objective from Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto as well.
Michael Foot wasn't all bad.
Sadly, he was also utterly economically illiterate.
A personal anecdote which has finally shaken my belief that Labour might not be trashed as terribly as it seems, only badly - a relative who I regard as my bellweather working class non-voter, type, 60+ only ever voted in the EU referendum, seems UKIPy but described themselves only last week as a Labour man but who since the referendum repeatedly said they had no intention of voting again...has just said the 'might' vote in June in order to vote against Corbyn. That Labour has to be stopped with him in charge in order to pick themselves up.
They did also say the SNP needed to be shipped off and the LDs shot, so I don't know how serious the intention to vote Tory may end up being.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
I wonder whether Labour voters who don't feel they can vote for Mr Corbyn will feel that voting Labour in the Locals absolves them for voting Conservative in the GE?
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
Bestiality? Incest? Dwarf sex?
Dwarf sex is pretty de rigueur at smart parties in the Paris suburbs.
A bloke i am meeting for lunch tomorrow used to toss dwarves at an establishment in Essex.
Not like that you sick people !!!!
When it was banned (as well it should be) the vertically challenged ones were not happy as it was a nice little earner for them.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
Both my daughter's and their husbands are voting labour.They are all in their latte twenties early thirties very enthusiastic Corbynites. They do not listen to me an old fashioned third way man.They play hell with my father and mother for voting leave.Saying the older generation are selfish and a bit racist. To be fair my father never stopped going on about Immigration and his language is not very modern in a relatively cosmopolitan tourist area like York.
Blimey. Chuggers just walked away from my door when they saw the No Cold Callers sign. That's a first. Strange times. British Heart Foundation. That gets them a donation.
The fine would probably be more than your donation. Our neighbourhood watch scheme has stopped all callers
Mr Carp saith: >There have been academic studies that show that unwinnable seats have more extremist candidates.<
Not always. When I lived in Richmond (Park, now) Oily Vaz was the Lab candidate. His first outing. Just about saved his deposit IIRC. Then again, I suppose you could call him extremist as far as self-importance goes.
The sommelier is being a bit mean with the free wine. You may be spared the terrible truth about Macron and his XXXXXXXXX with a XXXXXXXXX XXXX XXX XXXXXXXX next to the zebra-like XXXXXXXX in XXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX 78 illegally trafficked Chinese samphire-pickers in lederhosen.
It's not the totally made up story involving his step daughter is it?
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
Both my daughter's and their husbands are voting labour.They are all in their latte twenties early thirties very enthusiastic Corbynites. They do not listen to me an old fashioned third way man.They play hell with my father and mother for voting leave.Saying the older generation are selfish and a bit racist. To be fair my father never stopped going on about Immigration and his language is not very modern in a relatively cosmopolitan tourist area like York.
I'm struggling to see what could be more scandalous than a (secretly) gay candidate for president using his school teacher, who is 25 years his senior, as a beard (that he 'sneaked' off for extracurricular activities with when he was 15 and she was married). How can you get more scandalous?
Bestiality? Incest? Dwarf sex?
Dwarf sex is pretty de rigueur at smart parties in the Paris suburbs.
it's the only way french manhood can satisfy a woman
My Mrs might is a fan on Corbyn - saying he is different and stands up for his principles. She voted Tory in 2010 and 2012 (Boris) - all before I met her ofc! It look a lot of persuasion from me to get her onside and vote Labour in 2015. Ironic that I probably will not vote Labour this time round.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
Both my daughter's and their husbands are voting labour.They are all in their latte twenties early thirties very enthusiastic Corbynites. They do not listen to me an old fashioned third way man.They play hell with my father and mother for voting leave.Saying the older generation are selfish and a bit racist. To be fair my father never stopped going on about Immigration and his language is not very modern in a relatively cosmopolitan tourist area like York.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
Both my daughter's and their husbands are voting labour.They are all in their latte twenties early thirties very enthusiastic Corbynites. They do not listen to me an old fashioned third way man.They play hell with my father and mother for voting leave.Saying the older generation are selfish and a bit racist. To be fair my father never stopped going on about Immigration and his language is not very modern in a relatively cosmopolitan tourist area like York.
"Latte twenties". Typo of the month.
My apologies Sean t late .
I'd assumed it was a genuine term for a sort of trendy, faux hip right-on youngster and didn't blink at it. Maybe it'll catch on.
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
My Mrs might is a fan on Corbyn - saying he is different and stands up for his principles. She voted Tory in 2010 and 2012 (Boris) - all before I met her ofc! It look a lot of persuasion from me to get her onside and vote Labour in 2015. Ironic that I probably will not vote Labour this time round.
He does have the 'they're something different' vote sewn up, I did come across someone who was a fan of him on that basis, even though otherwise they seem on the baby eating trend of politics.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
Both my daughter's and their husbands are voting labour.They are all in their latte twenties early thirties very enthusiastic Corbynites. They do not listen to me an old fashioned third way man.They play hell with my father and mother for voting leave.Saying the older generation are selfish and a bit racist. To be fair my father never stopped going on about Immigration and his language is not very modern in a relatively cosmopolitan tourist area like York.
Gosh they sound like absolute jerks.
That is the problem with Grandpa Fox too. He used to have a liberal mindest, but now it is one rant after another. Tis a bit tricky having dinner there when the only safe topic is gardening. Even there he ranted about hostas...
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
Is "The least educated you are..." good English? It doesn't sound right when I read it
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
From YouGov
the more educated you are, the less chance your views will make it into government
Yorkcity - should be disinherited. I wouldn't accept being bullied by children.
Yes when out for a family meal recently had to ask they did not discuss politics .As it was my mother's birthday and did not want any upset on either side.I do not agree with May this is pulling the country together from my personal experience it has split families the referendum like nothing I can remember.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
I wonder whether Labour voters who don't feel they can vote for Mr Corbyn will feel that voting Labour in the Locals absolves them for voting Conservative in the GE?
Like it! It creates a misleading narrative for the General (with concomitant betting opportunities, I reckon!)
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
Yeah. Ignorant bastards. Take that Roger Scruton, for e.g.
Was having a thunkle on the tram home about how Labour treat the working class, and how the working class have evolved over the last forty years. For some reason modern Labour treat the working classes as one blob of people, a worthy group of people that need benefits and condescending to, they wear flat caps and are the salts of the earth. The problem is that they are much more complicated than that, there are different groups within the class that need appealing to in different ways which is not just chucking tax credits at. This is where May steps in, her and the modern Conservatives seem in contact with the largest group of the working class that want stand on their own two feet, they want the safety net but don't to have to pay for their neighbours to raise large families whilst taking large amounts of benefits. The group Labour are targeting are looked down on by the rest and don't vote anyway. This is what happens when a party treats it's history as lore rather than as guidelines.
First political sign seen outside St Mawes today. Vote Conservative. Nothing else seen in Truro St Just Falmouth or anywhere in their environs. The church of St Just in Roseland is worth the visit.
That's where I got married. Reception at Tresanton afterwards.
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
It's funny how it's the Liberal Democrats who are now the most snobbish and elitist.
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
Is "The least educated you are..." good English? It doesn't sound right when I read it
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Labour are in worse shape and the Conservatives have a ceiling of under 30% in that constituency.
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/856799315653787649
Unfortunately seeing a Corbyninsta take, say, Saffron Waldon, for similar effect, seems unlikely.
The further interesting thing is that if there is a Tory landslide on the back of sweeping through the Labour heartlands it will fundamentally change the Tory Party as well. A lot of MPs are far more likely to be the local product of their constituencies, possibly from Labour families and will be highly motivated to lobby for improvements to their forgotten communities. And for the first time in decades the Tories will have electoral reasons for delivering improvements.
If a life-long Labour voter has got to the point of not voting Labour, his/her identification with the party has already suffered severe damage. S/he already feels 'out of power' within the Labour party.
It's been said that a key factor in the Leave vote was the feeling 'What have we got to lose - nothing'. The hypothetical tribal Labour voter here is in the same position, only over their longstanding party loyalty.
Dunno. My dyed in the wool, not interested in politics, just votes Labour, missus has disowned Corbyn. If she doesn't vote for them, they are FUBAR.
PILE ON.
The Tory party with its guarantees on Overseas Aid, the "Triple Lock" and now the state setting energy prices, has moved to the left.
East Renfrewshire @ 5-2.
Betfair Sportsbook don't seem to want to take a single penny from me on that seat though. Tories hold Eastwood remember.
But if it could be true, why not pass it onto a NYT or Washington Post journalist ASAP for fact checking? Or a contact in another country where free speech usually trumps privacy, e.g. Canada.
That's nice Mister Farron's Party, right?
Fife and Edi West look great thanks. Got my pennies on with Paddy Power, Betfair Sportsbook don't want to seem to take my business any more.
Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
Can't see ever Corbyn make a speech of that substance, passion, democracy, and patriotism
Tooting Con 5/4
They came third last time but were only 7 points behind winner...
I get all weak kneed when I've bet on something I really want to happen.
Hammersmith 1/3
Westminster N 1/4
Tooting 5/4 <------- this is value
Could I have 10 quid in Ed West from which ever one of you lot that slapped a grand on each.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/news-labour-corbyn-held-transition-talks-whitehall/
Oh my aching sides.
Do not miss this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland_Central_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
They did also say the SNP needed to be shipped off and the LDs shot, so I don't know how serious the intention to vote Tory may end up being.
Not like that you sick people !!!!
When it was banned (as well it should be) the vertically challenged ones were not happy as it was a nice little earner for them.
>There have been academic studies that show that unwinnable seats have more extremist candidates.<
Not always. When I lived in Richmond (Park, now) Oily Vaz was the Lab candidate. His first outing. Just about saved his deposit IIRC. Then again, I suppose you could call him extremist as far as self-importance goes.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
the more educated you are, the less chance your views will make it into government
For some reason modern Labour treat the working classes as one blob of people, a worthy group of people that need benefits and condescending to, they wear flat caps and are the salts of the earth.
The problem is that they are much more complicated than that, there are different groups within the class that need appealing to in different ways which is not just chucking tax credits at. This is where May steps in, her and the modern Conservatives seem in contact with the largest group of the working class that want stand on their own two feet, they want the safety net but don't to have to pay for their neighbours to raise large families whilst taking large amounts of benefits. The group Labour are targeting are looked down on by the rest and don't vote anyway.
This is what happens when a party treats it's history as lore rather than as guidelines.
"Waitrose".. "Educated"..
Yuk.