I just had turbot twice in one day. For lunch by choice, second time for dinner as the chef insisted. Both Michelin star restaurants.
They kinda summed up the problem (and virtues) of French cooking. The first guy tried to innovate with shiitake mushrooms and cous-cous and bleah. Ruined a fillet of the world's tastiest fish.
Second guy served it classic and French: simply grilled, with unctuous mash and tarragony bearnaise. Delicious.
The French should just give up trying to invent new cuisines. It's not in their DNA. Instead they should just accept they perfected a world class style of cooking, some time ago, which doesn't change much, Is quite predictable, but when they get it right it's still fucking brilliant and always will be.
A bit like Japanese food. No one is ever going to improve on raw tuna sashimi, soy, and wasabi, so why bother?
Seem to remember earlier today that someone posted that in the age groups of 34 and onward May is the clear favourite between her and Corbyn. Now I turned 34 a couple of months ago, does that mean it's pre-determined that I have to vote May now?
Yup, and pre-determined to think police officers are getting younger
My girlfriend has been saying that for years, but then she is a little older than me. I think they are just getting shorter....which is odd.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
He only did that because he was leader of the LDs in the middle of a general election campaign, in terms of his Christian beliefs he cannot deny it is
so he can't win in your view. If he says it is a sin you attack him. If he says it isn't a sin you attack him. It's actually nothing to do with what he says or does, it's all about you not liking the Lib Dems. In other words, part of the political game. Why not just say you don't like the Lib Dems though, instead of trying to dress it up as some sort of righteous attack.
Farron's royally mucked this up, and he's given the media and his opponents a really unhelpful story. He could have handled it much better IMO. It's a problem of his own making, and you can hardly blame his opponents for exploiting the story.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
Theresa May as Home Secretary, introduced and passed legislation that made it possible for gay people to get married.
I think that's what you should judge her on.
Yes, I judge her on that of course. I also judge her on her values. Does she consider gay sex a sin? That to me is a fair question.
Of course she does, her father was an Anglican vicar, that does not mean she thinks it should be illegal as her vote for gay marriage proves. All of us sin at one time or another, that does not mean you deny what you did was a sin if you are religious
So Theresa May considers gay sex a sin. Now we know.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
Isn't there a website that cures this problem by playing you a random catchy song to displace the previous one stuck in your brain?
Tories down to 5/1 in Kingston West now! Come on, I'm sure 66/1 was over generous, but really?
Many accounts on here will be marked as sharp and will move the price regardless of the volume.
I remember back in the day when one of the firms hideously mispriced all the London Assembly seats, had the Tories at 6/1 in Beckenham and things like that. Many people off here lumped on, me included. Fortunately political betting is still a small book in the scheme of things, but I'm sure they have records and algorithms tracking it regardless,
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
Well, no, because he might just be saying that now because his party has told him to, mightn't he? If he has a mindset which is capable of defining actions of whatever kind as sins (which rules out me voting for him, or his party as long as he leads it) he is rather vulnerable to questioning on the following lines: tell us some things you think are sins, and explain why they are sins; if the answer is that Nobodaddy rules them out in the Good Book, then why are you privileging gay sex, which is also, on most God-bothering views, ruled out by the Good Book? If that isn't the answer, then why do they count as sins? If you are standing for high public office you have to put up with this sort of stuff, and asking for it "to be put aside" on the grounds of gentility and good taste simply does not cut it.
It is a much harder seat to call for me since I know less about the area (I have lived in both the other seats for a fair amount of time). However I think that it is fair to say the 2 candidates Swinson and Nicolson have much higher profiles than average and therefore more people will judge them rather than the parties they represent compared to a normal seat. Considering that the collapsed of the Labour vote has already taken place in the seat, losing almost 10k from 2010 to 2015, there might not be much campaigning from them this time around and with still over 6k available it could be that enough Lab>LD switchers could make the difference. That along with 4.5K Tory vote and relatively low overall SNP vote of 40% in 2015 makes it possible for Swinson to win with the backing of some extra No voters. The other thing in Jo's favour might be turnout, it was really high last time at over 80% at the height of the Nats surge and if 10% of them decide not to turn up this time around that again could make all the difference. I think that it is probably about as likely as NE Fife as a gain due to the lowish SNP vote which was spread fairly evenly across all seats last time giving the Unionist voters a clear and fairly well known person to back. Also this is an area where the LDs have not done well at Holyrood but saw modest progress last year.
Seem to remember earlier today that someone posted that in the age groups of 34 and onward May is the clear favourite between her and Corbyn. Now I turned 34 a couple of months ago, does that mean it's pre-determined that I have to vote May now?
Yup, and pre-determined to think police officers are getting younger
My girlfriend has been saying that for years, but then she is a little older than me. I think they are just getting shorter....which is odd.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
Isn't there a website that cures this problem by playing you a random catchy song to displace the previous one stuck in your brain?
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
Not really, you can be a 'comes and goes' in the Cotswolds Christian like Cameron of course but if you are really religious as May and Farron are you have to accept the Biblical teachings and that includes the fact that sexual union should only take place in heterosexual marriage, not to be dishonest, not to be blasphemous, not to envy what others have, to honour your parents, to keep the Sabbath etc. That does not mean any of those actions should be against the law, although some teachings of the Bible are eg against theft and murder but you have to say they are sins as written in the Bible, the fact that does not go down well with 21st attitudes does not change that fact
I would disagree. I am one of the PpBers that self describes as Christian, and attends church several times per month. I do not consider gay sex to be sinful. It is condemned in the Old Testament but is striking by its absence in New Testament teachings.
Jesus condemns many things, principly hypocrisy, violence and greed, but is particularly harsh on those who rigidly apply scripture literally and without compassion. Anyone who has failed to notice this (including many Christian professors!) needs to do a bit more Bible study starting with Matthew!
Jesus said 'love the sinner, hate the sin' that does not mean he thought there were no sins!
Jesus also said Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Jesus loved sinners and deliberately sought out their company, but expressed scorn and contempt for the Pharisees and Sanhedrin because of their rigid views on the Law.
I see OGH is postingnthe flawed stuff about less educated more likely to vote Tory the same way as more likely to have voted leave....As we have discussed a million times it is really related to age and the fact less than 20% of oldies went to uni when they were 18, where as now it is 50%. But then OGH already knows this.
We already knew oldies more likely to go Tory, but with Kim Jong may vs the 70s throwback (and naughty Nige off the scene ) it is one party state for oldies.
The deeper flaw is thinking that the point and benefit of an education is that it enables you to sneer at people with less of one. It makes me really fucking cross; esp from someone who has worked at two of the three proper universities in the country and really ought to know better. And if Remainers are so fucking smart how come we served an Article 50 notice last month?
I think OGH is engaging in some trolling, and is probably laughing that so many people rose to the bait.
You don't come out with nonsense like that unless, deep down, some small part of you believes it.
Mike has strong understanding of the educational and especially the university sector.
He's worked for several universities, he's aware of why older people are less likely to have attended university than younger people.
Since when did OGH need to have TSE defending him?
So.. emerging from lurkdom as an election approaches, some thoughts from Shropshire:
The only real betting market is in Telford - the other four seats are all in the "1/200 Tory" bracket and show no signs of a surprise. Given the national swing, the sitting MP should secure her place, but watch for who Labour (currently 5-1) put up against her (and whether they goad her into a Twitter row which permeates into the MSM!).
The local authority - Shropshire.. Telford isn't up this year - is already 60pc Tory and going nowhere else. The biggest threat is lack of new blood - a couple of active ones have stood down, and the 72 year old leader has been persuaded to stay despite announcing he'd be retiring last year. Lab are standing in fewer than half of seats, and even the second-placed LibDems are only fielding in around 40 of 74 seats.
Leave came in at 63 in Telford and 56 in Shropshire. Anecdotally, the Lab-Con and UKIP-Con shifts described elsewhere seem to have some traction.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Labour 2/1 Hammersmith is the value there - 14% majority in a very divided constituency.
On balance, I'd expect Labour to lose but it has lots of social housing, and a big Afro-Caribbean population, both good for Labour.
So does Battersea, but apparently that is a solid Conservative seat now.
Battersea is far posher.
Really, Mr. F? I shall have to take you word for it and that of Mr. Richard who also corrected me but I do so with some reluctance.
I was born in Wandsworth, went to school in Battersea and until a couple of years ago my route into Town took me through the area on a weekly basis. Whilst some parts have definitely gone up market, e.g. Little India (so-called because of the road names before anyone asks) there are still those horrendous 1960s council estates within the constituency borders and I do not suppose they are hot beds of Conservative voters.
Looking at the electoral maps (https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/election-maps/gb/) Hammersmith would seem to have much the same sort of mix, but perhaps missing out on the small area of poshness that has always bordered the South side of Battersea Park.
I suspect you and I went to the same school albeit I was there after you.
I lived in snipg for a million plus these days but it is still a shit area where you wouldn't want your children out unsupervised or probably going to the local community school.
Yeah Wix Lane primary followed by Sinjuns.
Was "Fritz" there in your day?
The French master? Knew him, but was never taught by him. A very nice chap out of school but, I understand, a bit of a bugger in the classroom. Looking back I am sure that at least two thirds of the masters were barking mad (e.g. history master called Walker, aka Joe Stalin) and none of them would last five minutes in today's environment but they managed to impart a pretty decent education.
I was a bugger but I owe them a lot.
Fritz was deputy head in my day - I think he did French as well.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
What Have You Done to Deserve This?
There are lots of Opportunities for puns here. A man could get arrested for using them, except they're all Absolutely Fabulous.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
. . . the small area of poshness that has always bordered the South side of Battersea Park.
That's where I lived as a teenager. It wasn't posh then (~ 60 years ago).
What those flats in Prince of Wales Drive? Give over, they have been posh since they were first built in Queen Victoria's time.
No, a semi-d. in a side street off of Prince of Wales Drive. We weren't posh and none of the neighbours were, though they're all well over £1m now. I wasn't at Sinjun's. Isn't that where David Davis went? Mine was where some deplorable Labour politicians went (Peter Hain and Geoffrey Robinson).
Bloody hell, Mr. W! I just googled up Hain and saw that he went to Emanuel. Well nevermind, old fellow, the mistakes our parents make don't have to scar us for life.
Ha! It was in effect a grammar even though it on the headmasters conference. I didn't know any fee payers, and all had free school meals. Family moved over the river after I was accepted there.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
Interviewer: "Prime Minister - What is your position on extra-marital sex?"
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
From a position of very little knowledge (not unusual I'll admit), is there not some marital sex which is sinful?
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
They do, Gove was just putting politics before religion
No I don't. Why didn't you say so then? Not appropriate to comment on theology. Except you are now? Yes. So it is ok to comment on it? Yes. So why not be clearer before? Er.
The LDs need to get off this issue - Farron is better than people give him credit for, but he's caused a mess simply through his own inability to be clear on this matter.
The LDs are off this issue . It is people like you who are going on about it .
People like me? People who have voted LD multiple times, want them to recover significant support as quickly as possible even though I don't support all their policies because I am not a fan of May or Corbyn, because I want as many parties to have significant support as possible, because I don't like parties to have huge majorities, who just said Farron was better than people give him credit for? I even corrected a colleague thinking of voting LD who said they'd heard Farron thought being gay was a sin and so was not sure.
Your response is no different to Corbynistas complaining about the media focusing on issues they don't want to talk about in favour of the things they want to go on about, and how unfair that is. 'People like me' have only gone on about it because Farron chose to give obfuscating answers to very very simple questions, and then answered it simply which shows he could have avoided all of this in the first place.
It's a question of smart politics - he made an issue of something he did not need to, to the benefit of his opponents.
So tell me Mark, what sort of person am I? What do you mean by that? What is it I am attempting to do when I complain that Farron's lack of clarity is hurting them, and I'd like them to do better?
For clarity's sake, it should be obvious that 'the LDs need to get off this issue' means 'They need to get people to stop talking about it', not 'they need to stop bringing it up' .
Once more, we see the LD supporters actively driving people away from giving them their votes.
Worth considering that when you see some LDs responding with hostile and unfounded assertions to criticism like this, assuming that because some of those criticising the party or leader are undoubtedly doing so simply because it is the LDs, that all of those criticising the party or leader are, that they are not any more immune to partisan nonsense than the other parties, of the same shady and ignorant tactics to deflect and distract and argue against points not made in favour of the ones they wish had been made.
Didn't know about O'Sullivan/Corbyn. It would be nice if someone could compile a list of 'celebrities for Corbyn'. Some might be rather annoying but Ronnie's endorsement feeels quite endearing. He probably really believes in it.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
What Have You Done to Deserve This?
There are lots of Opportunities for puns here. A man could get arrested for using them, except they're all Absolutely Fabulous.
Over in France MLP is planning to ban the slaughter of animals without stunning. There was an article in the Times last week that seemed to imply that we might do the same.
Meanwhile Melenchon is launching a consultation with his party about organised abstentions or spoiled ballots in the Presidential run off in a protest against the choices of 'the far right or extreme finance'.
Opinions polls have Melenchon supporters favouring Macron over MLP by a ratio of 2.5:1.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Sometimes your posts make me sigh, Mr HYUDF, and sometimes I find them very sensible. This is one of the latter. I don`t understand why there is a campaign by some people in the press to crucify Farron, but to leave May alone.
Indeed but I think it may have to do with rather more Tory voters believing gay sex is sinful than LD voters, even if they now accept homosexuality should be legal
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
They do, Gove was just putting politics before religion
Lib Dem or in general? Just so you know he was removed from being the candidate within a couple of hours of us first finding out. Not "forced" to suspend him.
On the day that David Ward was reselected as a Lib Dem candidate.
My other half still voting for Corbyn. I'm trying to explain to her he would be a disaster but she won't listen ! Not that it'll matter, I'm in a safe seat.
4 postal votes gone for Corbynite DCC candidates from our house. LDs posters are back though.
I wonder whether Labour voters who don't feel they can vote for Mr Corbyn will feel that voting Labour in the Locals absolves them for voting Conservative in the GE?
Might do. I had a local election on same day as general last time. I voted differently in the two contests.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
Does it matter, in any way? This is a trivial issue.
It sort of is, granted. Yet when considering whether to vote for someone, you also look at values. Considering gay sex sinful is not only nuts, it is also inhumane.
Why is it inhumane? Is he proposing to arrest anybody who has gay sex and parade them around the streets with a placard? Of course not, however that does not change the fact it is a sin just as anybody who has sex before heterosexual marriage has committed a sin or anybody who has committed adultery has committed a sin, you may not be religious and disagree with that which is fine but that does not change the definition of what is a sin in religious terms even if the sinful act is legal
No you are conflating what the bible says with what he believes. The question was not whether the bible considers gay sex a sin (clearly it does). The question was whether he considers it a sin (he does not, as it transpires). Most Christians pick and choose from the bible - quite reasonably. Otherwise they would all beat their children with God on their side.
He does think it is a sin, he changed his position because of political pressure and yes some Christians do still smack their children too
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
The most convincing one I've heard in recent years is Olly Murs "Troublemaker" with Britney Spears "Toxic".
For what it is worth, I absolutely believe Farron when he finally clarified he does not believe homosexual sex is not sinful. From the rest of his record I think that makes sense. I think he looked uncomfortable because he had no good answer as to why he had trouble being clear about it before, but I don't think he would be so bold as to flat out lie when being so clear in his final response.
Sorry if that goes against the 'truest words' spoken here tonight.
. . . the small area of poshness that has always bordered the South side of Battersea Park.
That's where I lived as a teenager. It wasn't posh then (~ 60 years ago).
What those flats in Prince of Wales Drive? Give over, they have been posh since they were first built in Queen Victoria's time.
he used to live in Prince Of Wales Drive, Battersea. But since he became a great star, he thought this wasn't really very suitable. He now lives in Albert Bridge Road, Battersea.
eh? One of Flanders and Swann?
Yup. In "At the Drop of A Hat", we have Flanders saying I live in Kensington - naturally; [points to DS and whispers:] Battersea! [normal voice] He calls it South Chelsea. - that line is from the opening of "At the Drop of Another Hat".
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
He only did that because he was leader of the LDs in the middle of a general election campaign, in terms of his Christian beliefs he cannot deny it is
so he can't win in your view. If he says it is a sin you attack him. If he says it isn't a sin you attack him. It's actually nothing to do with what he says or does, it's all about you not liking the Lib Dems. In other words, part of the political game. Why not just say you don't like the Lib Dems though, instead of trying to dress it up as some sort of righteous attack.
I actually voted for the LDs at the last election (probably first and last time) but regardless of my views of the LDs it does not change the definition of what a sin is and nor can Mr Farron and he knows it
54% want Theresa May to take part in TV debates with other party leaders
25% Don't
Will she risk it? Not engaging with them has worked so far.
If necessary she should agree to do the seven leader debate Cameron did in 2015.
Because it's zero risk - with seven people it isn't really a debate - nobody gets the chance to build up any momentum so it's effectively just a series of soundbites.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
Theresa May as Home Secretary, introduced and passed legislation that made it possible for gay people to get married.
I think that's what you should judge her on.
Yes, I judge her on that of course. I also judge her on her values. Does she consider gay sex a sin? That to me is a fair question.
Of course she does, her father was an Anglican vicar, that does not mean she thinks it should be illegal as her vote for gay marriage proves. All of us sin at one time or another, that does not mean you deny what you did was a sin if you are religious
Are religious beliefs passed down intact via the male line?
It seems that under 60% of self-identifying Christians believe in the Resurrection http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153121; if they are prepared to jettison that there's no saying what remains - why would they necessarily believe in sin? So there is no "of course" about it.
I have to say my world view is being shaken to its foundations. I thought it was a given that LDs were dull but inoffensive, and finding them hanging out "No gays or Jews" signs comes as something of a surprise.
There was thing called the Coalition, which actually was pretty decent* but the public hated it, and then...
*no that doesn't make sense! 'People like me' are motivated by wanting to attack the LDs, I read it on the internet, so I'd hate the coalition, must do, as they were a key part of it.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Most Christians in Britain are not literalists. The Bible is a very diverse, muti faceted work and contains many internal contradictions.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
The most convincing one I've heard in recent years is Olly Murs "Troublemaker" with Britney Spears "Toxic".
Not quiet a mash up, but I still have nightmares when I hear/think about this duet, and I normally love The Shat's musical output
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
They do, Gove was just putting politics before religion
You do not speak for all Christians!
If you asked the Pope he would give a different view and if I was taking the view of the Pope or Michael Gove as representative of Christians it would be the former
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
What Have You Done to Deserve This?
There are lots of Opportunities for puns here. A man could get arrested for using them, except they're all Absolutely Fabulous.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
At least call me maybe was a wonderful lip dub by the Miami dolphins cheerleaders. Just think about that instead.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
What Have You Done to Deserve This?
There are lots of Opportunities for puns here. A man could get arrested for using them, except they're all Absolutely Fabulous.
Stop Being Boring.
Left to his own devices, he probably would.
Oh come on, I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
It's a good song, there are worse ones to get stuck in your head.
I have had the Carly Rae Jepsen 'Call Me Maybe' and the Nine Inch Nails 'Head Like A Hole' mash up 'Call Me A Hole' earwormed for months.
At least call me maybe was a wonderful lip dub by the Miami dolphins cheerleaders. Just think about that instead.
That was nice, if you watch The Big Bang Theory, then you'll love this (watch it all the way to the end)
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
Theresa May as Home Secretary, introduced and passed legislation that made it possible for gay people to get married.
I think that's what you should judge her on.
Yes, I judge her on that of course. I also judge her on her values. Does she consider gay sex a sin? That to me is a fair question.
Of course she does, her father was an Anglican vicar, that does not mean she thinks it should be illegal as her vote for gay marriage proves. All of us sin at one time or another, that does not mean you deny what you did was a sin if you are religious
Are religious beliefs passed down intact via the male line?
It seems that under 60% of self-identifying Christians believe in the Resurrection http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153121; if they are prepared to jettison that there's no saying what remains - why would they necessarily believe in sin? So there is no "of course" about it.
I have to say my world view is being shaken to its foundations. I thought it was a given that LDs were dull but inoffensive, and finding them hanging out "No gays or Jews" signs comes as something of a surprise.
You may or may not believe in the literal view of the Resurrection but you cannot change the definition of what the Resurrection is, just as you may or may not abstain from different sins, that does not stop them being sins
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Most Christians in Britain are not literalists. The Bible is a very diverse, muti faceted work and contains many internal contradictions.
Indeed - we wouldn't have so many iterations of christianity if it were not possible to believe some very different things, interpreting things very differently, including what is sinful or not, despite being based off the same sources.
. . . the small area of poshness that has always bordered the South side of Battersea Park.
That's where I lived as a teenager. It wasn't posh then (~ 60 years ago).
What those flats in Prince of Wales Drive? Give over, they have been posh since they were first built in Queen Victoria's time.
No, a semi-d. in a side street off of Prince of Wales Drive. We weren't posh and none of the neighbours were, though they're all well over £1m now. I wasn't at Sinjun's. Isn't that where David Davis went? Mine was where some deplorable Labour politicians went (Peter Hain and Geoffrey Robinson).
Bloody hell, Mr. W! I just googled up Hain and saw that he went to Emanuel. Well nevermind, old fellow, the mistakes our parents make don't have to scar us for life.
Ha! It was in effect a grammar even though it on the headmasters conference. I didn't know any fee payers, and all had free school meals. Family moved over the river after I was accepted there.
Emanuel was certainly regarded as a grammar school in my day, albeit a rather inferior one compared to the others on offer in our part of London.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'?line to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says direct quote is:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
I hope so.
Why? Are you advocating violence against children?
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'?line to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says direct quote is:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
It's a bastardised version of Proverbs 13:24;
'He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.'
I see OGH is playing the snobbery card, saying the less educated you are the more likely you are to vote Tory. However he ignores the rather evident fact that the Tories still have an 8% lead over Labour even with graduates https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/856940586133225472/photo/1
It's funny how it's the Liberal Democrats who are now the most snobbish and elitist.
"Waitrose".. "Educated"..
Yuk.
OGH's classic quip now is how he looks forward to going to Waitrose every week because it is largely free of Leave voters
Quick quiz: we use Amazon Fresh for all our deliveries. Does that correlate with Leave or Remain?
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'? He was asked whether he consider gay sex to be a sin. He doesn't. The bible spouts lots of stuff that many Christians oppose. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Those Christians who decline to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
I hope so.
Why? Are you advocating violence against children?
. . . the small area of poshness that has always bordered the South side of Battersea Park.
That's where I lived as a teenager. It wasn't posh then (~ 60 years ago).
What those flats in Prince of Wales Drive? Give over, they have been posh since they were first built in Queen Victoria's time.
No, a semi-d. in a side street off of Prince of Wales Drive. We weren't posh and none of the neighbours were, though they're all well over £1m now. I wasn't at Sinjun's. Isn't that where David Davis went? Mine was where some deplorable Labour politicians went (Peter Hain and Geoffrey Robinson).
Bloody hell, Mr. W! I just googled up Hain and saw that he went to Emanuel. Well nevermind, old fellow, the mistakes our parents make don't have to scar us for life.
Ha! It was in effect a grammar even though it on the headmasters conference. I didn't know any fee payers, and all had free school meals. Family moved over the river after I was accepted there.
Emanuel was certainly regarded as a grammar school in my day, albeit a rather inferior one compared to the others on offer in our part of London.
Sure, it went downhill, but an alumnus put you on the internet.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I woulDK)
!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'?line to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says direct quote is:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24
13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
I think this was what OGH was getting at earlier with educated remainers and non-educated Tories.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
Theresa May as Home Secretary, introduced and passed legislation that made it possible for gay people to get married.
I think that's what you should judge her on.
Yes, I judge her on that of course. I also judge her on her values. Does she consider gay sex a sin? That to me is a fair question.
Of course she does, her father was an Anglican vicar, that does not mean she thinks it should be illegal as her vote for gay marriage proves. All of us sin at one time or another, that does not mean you deny what you did was a sin if you are religious
Are religious beliefs passed down intact via the male line?
It seems that under 60% of self-identifying Christians believe in the Resurrection http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153121; if they are prepared to jettison that there's no saying what remains - why would they necessarily believe in sin? So there is no "of course" about it.
I have to say my world view is being shaken to its foundations. I thought it was a given that LDs were dull but inoffensive, and finding them hanging out "No gays or Jews" signs comes as something of a surprise.
You may or may not believe in the literal view of the Resurrection but you cannot change the definition of what the Resurrection is, just as you may or may not abstain from different sins, that does not stop them being sins
Farron and Gove were asked whether they thought gay sex a sin. They do not. What your interpretation of the bible is is irrelevant to that question. You have lost this argument.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
They do, Gove was just putting politics before religion
You do not speak for all Christians!
If you asked the Pope he would give a different view and if I was taking the view of the Pope or Michael Gove as representative of Christians it would be the former
I am no Catholic, so do not expect me to either defend or speak for the pope, but the Catholic Church has never prized Biblical literalism. Catholic teachings are based on Church tradition via the Apostolic line. Indeed for centuries Popes exterminated people for wanting to study the Bible in their own language. They were afraid that if ordinary people could read it for themselves and form their own opinions on Jesus's teachings that the Catholic Church would lose power.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I woulDK)
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Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'?line to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says direct quote is:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24
13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
I think this was what OGH was getting at earlier with educated remainers and non-educated Tories.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
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Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'?line to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says direct quote is:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24
Ie a parent should discipline their child
Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
Go Green maybe but this is all ridiculous, gay marriage is legal and both Farron and May voted for it but as they are both practising Christians they cannot contradict Biblical teaching that any sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin but then lots of things are sins that does not mean they are all going to be made illegal!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
Surely Christians believe that all extramarital sex is sinful?
They do, Gove was just putting politics before religion
You do not speak for all Christians!
If you asked the Pope he would give a different view and if I was taking the view of the Pope or Michael Gove as representative of Christians it would be the former
They were afraid that if ordinary people could read it for themselves and form their own opinions on Jesus's teachings that the Catholic Church would lose power.
Well they haven't done too badly, all things considered, but they were probably right about that.
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
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Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'?line to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says
Ie a parent should discipline their child
Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...
Yes and many do legally still beat their children, provided they use reasonable force when disciplining them it is not illegal
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I woulDK)
!
Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not whFarron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says direct quote is:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24
13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
I think this was what OGH was getting at earlier with educated remainers and non-educated Tories.
Sounds more like what's about to happen to Labour
That is your interpretation. When I ponder the word of OGH, I feel I am more of a literalist, the one true faith.
(Beware the false prophet TSE, he does not speak with the word of OGH always)
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
Theresa May as Home Secretary, introduced and passed legislation that made it possible for gay people to get married.
I think that's what you should judge her on.
Yes, I judge her on that of course. I also judge her on her values. Does she consider gay sex a sin? That to me is a fair question.
Of course she does, her father was an Anglican vicar, that does not mean she thinks it should be illegal as her vote for gay marriage proves. All of us sin at one time or another, that does not mean you deny what you did was a sin if you are religious
Are religious beliefs passed down intact via the male line?
It seems that under 60% of self-identifying Christians believe in the Resurrection http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153121; if they are prepared to jettison that there's no saying what remains - why would they necessarily believe in sin? So there is no "of course" about it.
I have to say my world view is being shaken to its foundations. I thought it was a given that LDs were dull but inoffensive, and finding them hanging out "No gays or Jews" signs comes as something of a surprise.
You may or may not believe in the literal view of the Resurrection but you cannot change the definition of what the Resurrection is, just as you may or may not abstain from different sins, that does not stop them being sins
Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...
It's an attempt at translating Hebrew and could read 'rules' rather than 'rod' in the original. Equally, however, that in itself could be an idiomatic comment for corporal punishment so it is distinctly ambiguous either way.
James Anthony (NHS nurse, Unison activist) Daren Hale (Hull Council Deputy Leader) Emma Hardy (former teacher now NUT officer; Hull West & Hessle CLP woman officer) Sarah Hayward (Camden Council Leader) Josh Newlove (former East Riding Cllr, Project Manager at Policy Networ, assistant to Lord Liddle) David Prescott Sam Tarry (Barking Cllr)
No more sodding discussion of Tim Farron and gay sex and it's a sin. I have the bloody Pet Shop Boys song earwormed in my head. I'm an Always On My Mind man.
You will look back upon this comment with a sense of shame.
Farron sounds like he is in a right royal pickle over this gay shagging lark. Putting me off voting Liberal, truth be told. But May is also God Squad, I understand. Has anyone asked her whether she considers gay sex the work of Lord Beelzebub?
I would be very interested in her answer, given the struggles Farron has had with it (and I know one Tory-considering-LD who has been put off by his answers to date, so what they'd do if May said the same things IDK)
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Rubbish. Several tons of crap spouted by the bible is ignored at Christians' convenience. It is demonstrably possible to be religious and oppose much of the shite that surrounds it.
To give Michael Gove (a christian) some credit (never thought I would say that!) - he had no problem saying straight away that gay sex was not a sin. Farron messed up here.
He said it for political advantage, in terms of the religious definition of sin he was wrong
How can he be 'wrong'?line to beat their children are defying the 'good' book.
Technically if you spoil your children too much you are also being sinful, yes
That is not what the bible says! Spare the rod, spoil the child. If you don't beat your children you will spoil them! Do you hold that view? Does May? Does Farron?
Please provide the Book, Chapter and Verse of the Bible that says. "Spare the rod, spoil the child"
Wiki says direct quote is:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24
Ie a parent should discipline their child
Beat, specifically. Unless you are interpreting rod as an analogy, which again is your interpretation...
Comments
(I'm fairly pro-Farron as LD leader).
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/856974833757945856
Here it is: http://unhearit.com/
Fortunately political betting is still a small book in the scheme of things, but I'm sure they have records and algorithms tracking it regardless,
It is a much harder seat to call for me since I know less about the area (I have lived in both the other seats for a fair amount of time).
However I think that it is fair to say the 2 candidates Swinson and Nicolson have much higher profiles than average and therefore more people will judge them rather than the parties they represent compared to a normal seat.
Considering that the collapsed of the Labour vote has already taken place in the seat, losing almost 10k from 2010 to 2015, there might not be much campaigning from them this time around and with still over 6k available it could be that enough Lab>LD switchers could make the difference. That along with 4.5K Tory vote and relatively low overall SNP vote of 40% in 2015 makes it possible for Swinson to win with the backing of some extra No voters. The other thing in Jo's favour might be turnout, it was really high last time at over 80% at the height of the Nats surge and if 10% of them decide not to turn up this time around that again could make all the difference.
I think that it is probably about as likely as NE Fife as a gain due to the lowish SNP vote which was spread fairly evenly across all seats last time giving the Unionist voters a clear and fairly well known person to back. Also this is an area where the LDs have not done well at Holyrood but saw modest progress last year.
Though his frontbenchers actually should be those who agree with him ...
Jesus loved sinners and deliberately sought out their company, but expressed scorn and contempt for the Pharisees and Sanhedrin because of their rigid views on the Law.
The only real betting market is in Telford - the other four seats are all in the "1/200 Tory" bracket and show no signs of a surprise. Given the national swing, the sitting MP should secure her place, but watch for who Labour (currently 5-1) put up against her (and whether they goad her into a Twitter row which permeates into the MSM!).
The local authority - Shropshire.. Telford isn't up this year - is already 60pc Tory and going nowhere else. The biggest threat is lack of new blood - a couple of active ones have stood down, and the 72 year old leader has been persuaded to stay despite announcing he'd be retiring last year. Lab are standing in fewer than half of seats, and even the second-placed LibDems are only fielding in around 40 of 74 seats.
Leave came in at 63 in Telford and 56 in Shropshire. Anecdotally, the Lab-Con and UKIP-Con shifts described elsewhere seem to have some traction.
May: "Shall I draw a diagram?"
and prepare for governmentturn the phone off, close the blinds and don't answer the door until after the GE.Meanwhile Melenchon is launching a consultation with his party about organised abstentions or spoiled ballots in the Presidential run off in a protest against the choices of 'the far right or extreme finance'.
Opinions polls have Melenchon supporters favouring Macron over MLP by a ratio of 2.5:1.
https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/856978270411206656
Sorry if that goes against the 'truest words' spoken here tonight.
Because it's zero risk - with seven people it isn't really a debate - nobody gets the chance to build up any momentum so it's effectively just a series of soundbites.
It seems that under 60% of self-identifying Christians believe in the Resurrection http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153121; if they are prepared to jettison that there's no saying what remains - why would they necessarily believe in sin? So there is no "of course" about it.
I have to say my world view is being shaken to its foundations. I thought it was a given that LDs were dull but inoffensive, and finding them hanging out "No gays or Jews" signs comes as something of a surprise.
*no that doesn't make sense! 'People like me' are motivated by wanting to attack the LDs, I read it on the internet, so I'd hate the coalition, must do, as they were a key part of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7_5b1nqg_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdLvUkLW5Jk
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/856982271722762241
'He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.'
BTW, Was that a line from the Lib Dem, Tory or UKIP manifesto?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-trade-unions-safe-vacant-labour-seats-carve-up-deal-tom-watson_uk_58ffb9dce4b0073d3e7a21c5?5pg
I think this was what OGH was getting at earlier with educated remainers and non-educated Tories.
Tyneside North constituency is the poorer half of North Tyneside borough and is the old Wallsend constituency.
It might trigger a double dip recession.
(Beware the false prophet TSE, he does not speak with the word of OGH always)
James Anthony (NHS nurse, Unison activist)
Daren Hale (Hull Council Deputy Leader)
Emma Hardy (former teacher now NUT officer; Hull West & Hessle CLP woman officer)
Sarah Hayward (Camden Council Leader)
Josh Newlove (former East Riding Cllr, Project Manager at Policy Networ, assistant to Lord Liddle)
David Prescott
Sam Tarry (Barking Cllr)
My all time favourite thread was the one where I put in a load of Hellenic puns, just to show off.