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  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    Are you saying that inflation rose, despite Brexit?

    Ah, my coat!

    YOU haven't left yet...
    Yes, the trigger moment will be when A50 is declared. ;)
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    rottenborough said:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 5m5 minutes ago

    NEW: Labour's Clive Lewis to oppose 'hard Brexit' Article 50 bill at third reading 'whatever the consequences'

    Oh dear - he's prevaricated so long now that i doubt if any one cares.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    slade said:

    Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are:
    No of Americans killed by their citizens (1975-2015) Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels Iran 0 Y N Iraq 0 Y N Libya 0 Y N Somalia 0 Y N Sudan 0 Y N Syria 0 Y N Yemen 0 Y N Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y UAE 314 N Y Egypt 162 N Y Lebanon 159 N Y


    No idea where that table comes from originally, but it is packed full or errors. It's not even worth the effort of going through them there are so many,
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Philip_Thompson said:

    But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.

    That's the point. Once you leave the roundabout, you are no longer subject to centripetal force
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2017
    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_P said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.

    That's the point. Once you leave the roundabout, you are no longer subject to centripetal force
    But you don't leave the roundabout without the equilibrium of centripetal and centrifugal forces ending. There is a point where there is both centripetal and centrifugal forces and they are not equal.

    Plus you can extend that by having uneven orbits. Eg where a kid on that roundabout loses balance but regains it and holds on, so jerks back and forth. There was both centrifugal and centripetal forces but they didn't match thus creating an uneven orbit.
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    Sorry if already posted. I think 24 hour news is to blame for the falling quality of news.

    2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-attack-quickly-depicted-as-a-moroccan-muslim-hes
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    ydoethur said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/apple-misses-deadline-to-pay-ireland-illegal-tax-benefits.html

    With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.

    Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.

    I think gold-plating (of rules) civil servants are part of Brexit.

    Agreed. My father, who is ardently pro-European, was very angry with a 12 page set of animal welfare rules (I think it was on caged chickens) drafted by the Dutch, which became 7 pages for the French and a whopping 248 for the British.

    That does not however excuse the many stupid things they have done without any help at all that we should simply have ignored.
    Does it perhaps have something to do with our inexperience of federal systems of government so we don't fully get that the UK's job is to defend its interests, not just to use Brussels as cover for our own centralising bureaucratic tendencies?
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The thread has literally gone off on a tangent.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Jobabob said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/apple-misses-deadline-to-pay-ireland-illegal-tax-benefits.html

    With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.

    Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
    There is a famous Irish poker player who when asked what the difference between Irish and British was he said you guys see a new rule as one to be unerringly adhered to, we Irish see a new rule as a fresh challenge to circumvent.
    Liam Flood?
    Padraig Parkinson.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    Its the fallacy of the 'progressive majority' again.

    'Everyone in this Crouch End coffee shop supports AV / voted Remain / opposes Trump so who cares what they think in Nuneaton'
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/apple-misses-deadline-to-pay-ireland-illegal-tax-benefits.html

    With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.

    Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
    There is a famous Irish poker player who when asked what the difference between Irish and British was he said you guys see a new rule as one to be unerringly adhered to, we Irish see a new rule as a fresh challenge to circumvent.
    Liam Flood?
    I got knocked out of EPT Ireland by Andy Black a few years back.
    An honourable way to go! - think I read the write up
  • danielmawbs
    danielmawbs Posts: 96
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.

    If the object is not in orbit then the forces are not necessarily Centripetal/Centrifugal
    But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.
    One of my first daddy day outings with 2 was to the park. The 10 month old was enjoying the round about and so was the 2 year old. Both wanted to go faster, I experienced just this and I can tell you I didn't care what force it was, I was just thinking about whether I'd need to tell the wife, or could I get away with pretending she'd slipped whilst toddling.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    AlastairMeeks said:

    The thread has literally gone off on a tangent.

    Ha!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    AlastairMeeks said:

    The thread has literally gone off on a tangent.

    Is that because the Centripetal force isn't strong enough?
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.

    That's the point. Once you leave the roundabout, you are no longer subject to centripetal force
    But you don't leave the roundabout without the equilibrium of centripetal and centrifugal forces ending. There is a point where there is both centripetal and centrifugal forces and they are not equal.

    Plus you can extend that by having uneven orbits. Eg where a kid on that roundabout loses balance but regains it and holds on, so jerks back and forth. There was both centrifugal and centripetal forces but they didn't match thus creating an uneven orbit.
    If Monty Hall spins two roundabouts, do you switch?
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    danielmawbs said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.

    If the object is not in orbit then the forces are not necessarily Centripetal/Centrifugal
    But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.
    One of my first daddy day outings with 2 was to the park. The 10 month old was enjoying the round about and so was the 2 year old. Both wanted to go faster, I experienced just this and I can tell you I didn't care what force it was, I was just thinking about whether I'd need to tell the wife, or could I get away with pretending she'd slipped whilst toddling.
    LOL!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited January 2017
    Jobabob said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.

    That's the point. Once you leave the roundabout, you are no longer subject to centripetal force
    But you don't leave the roundabout without the equilibrium of centripetal and centrifugal forces ending. There is a point where there is both centripetal and centrifugal forces and they are not equal.

    Plus you can extend that by having uneven orbits. Eg where a kid on that roundabout loses balance but regains it and holds on, so jerks back and forth. There was both centrifugal and centripetal forces but they didn't match thus creating an uneven orbit.
    If Monty Hall spins two roundabouts, do you switch?
    More likely he gets his collar felt by the local plod asking why he is messing in a kids playground before he gets to ask the question.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Philip_Thompson said:

    But you don't leave the roundabout without the equilibrium of centripetal and centrifugal forces ending. There is a point where there is both centripetal and centrifugal forces and they are not equal.

    Plus you can extend that by having uneven orbits. Eg where a kid on that roundabout loses balance but regains it and holds on, so jerks back and forth. There was both centrifugal and centripetal forces but they didn't match thus creating an uneven orbit.

    No

    The magnitude of the centrifugal force always exactly matches the magnitude of the centripetal force. If you leave the roundabout, there is no centripetal force. If you wave in and out, the magnitude of the centripetal force may vary, and the centrifugal force exactly matches it at all time, until you leave.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Jobabob said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    You're living in the darkest timeline. :D

    Like

    Wait, there are other timelines..?
    No offence intended to Francis, of course!
    RobD said:

    If @Scott_P's first degree was in Engineering, I wonder what the second was.... [insert some twitter joke here]

    *innocent face*

    Scott_P said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.

    If the object is not in orbit then the forces are not necessarily Centripetal/Centrifugal
    Community Chance?
    Community references on PB.com ? Oh, that's nice.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Dan Harmon has officially confirmed we are living in the darkest timeline, by the way.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Freggles said:

    Dan Harmon has officially confirmed we are living in the darkest timeline, by the way.

    Brexit. Trump.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    This is probably the source of the data.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/guide-trumps-executive-order-limit-migration-national-security-reasons

    So the abridged table ignores that the data was for US convictions and offences only. Which neatly means that things like Iran's backing of Hezbollah, and Libya's responsibility for Lockerbie are missing, and those alone count for many hundreds of American deaths. It also only listed the numbers where deaths have occurred, not offences in total.

    If you look at the apparent source you will see that citizens of Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen have all been "committed or were convicted of attempting to commit a terrorist attack on U.S. soil from 1975 through 2015".

    It's also worth bearing in my that it's not historical offences that determine where the threat is coming from but the intelligence about the current threat, and the degree of cooperation the US receives in order to vet visa applications.

    The "meme" that the targets of the change of rules are not a threat, and that the places that are a threat are ignored because of Trump's business interest does not stand up to scrutiny.

    None of which justifies Trump's use of an executive order to change the rules overnight, that was stupid.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    Casino_Royale said:

    RobD said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Oh Canada...

    https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI/status/826510514276687872

    The presence of Quebec pulls Canada to the Left, and also forces a system of bilinguism and compromise on it to maintain its federal union. It also tried to establish reserves, or assimilate, its native peoples rather than outright conquest.

    There's also a desire to differentiate itself from the US, which helps to maintain the monarchy, but also means it went fully metric fairly enthusiastically, embraces social healthcare and is less tub-thumping about its nationhood.

    But, there are plenty of Canadians who are right-wing, and the Canadian Conservatives clocked almost 40% of the vote less than six years ago.

    Better than Cameron did.
    I think they are changing to PR for the next election, at least the Liberals promised they would. The UK Parliament will soon become one of the last bastions of FPTP (and long may that continue).
    I'll believe it when I see it.

    Either way: if the Liberals think it'll lock the Tories out of power in Canada for a generation (which is what they want) I think they'll be disappointed.
    Think it's to lock themselves in government.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TeaPainUSA: More Muslims have been killed by Trump supporters in the past 24 hours than Americans killed by refugees from banned countries in 30 years.
  • Bromptonaut
    Bromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/826517279953268738
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited January 2017
    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/826517279953268738

    I believe this was reported on the web before the original tweet from this particular twitter account.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/826517279953268738

    He's quite libertarian, so a good call. (Indeed, I think he's likely to take umbrage at Trump's use of EOs.)
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    Though it is an illusion. For example in the pro-Leave constituency of Sleaford and Hykeham there are 422 at present on the Pro-visit petition, but 2000 on the Anti-visit petition. Even in rural Lincs 5 times the number are opposed. Metropolitan elites I suppose.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Jobabob said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.

    That's the point. Once you leave the roundabout, you are no longer subject to centripetal force
    But you don't leave the roundabout without the equilibrium of centripetal and centrifugal forces ending. There is a point where there is both centripetal and centrifugal forces and they are not equal.

    Plus you can extend that by having uneven orbits. Eg where a kid on that roundabout loses balance but regains it and holds on, so jerks back and forth. There was both centrifugal and centripetal forces but they didn't match thus creating an uneven orbit.
    If Monty Hall spins two roundabouts, do you switch?
    More likely he gets his collar felt by the local plod asking why he is messing in a kids playground before he gets to ask the question.
    Policev
    rcs1000 said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/826517279953268738

    He's quite libertarian, so a good call. (Indeed, I think he's likely to take umbrage at Trump's use of EOs.)
    Presumably Trumpton will just find a way of sacking him if he doesn't like his judgements
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2017
    Someone with the same name as the person who started the pro-Trump petition runs an Early Detection System business in Dover:

    http://www.bizdb.co.uk/company/early-detection-systems-limited-05499836/

    It may not be the same person though.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    foxinsoxuk said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    Though it is an illusion. For example in the pro-Leave constituency of Sleaford and Hykeham there are 422 at present on the Pro-visit petition, but 2000 on the Anti-visit petition. Even in rural Lincs 5 times the number are opposed. Metropolitan elites I suppose.
    foxinsoxuk said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    Though it is an illusion. For example in the pro-Leave constituency of Sleaford and Hykeham there are 422 at present on the Pro-visit petition, but 2000 on the Anti-visit petition. Even in rural Lincs 5 times the number are opposed. Metropolitan elites I suppose.
    There's a reason why Sleaford is known locally as Crouch-End-by-Dyke Fox.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    God, Ed Vaizey is a hectoring prat.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2017
    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Casino_Royale said:

    God, Ed Vaizey is a hectoring prat.

    What he has turned up to the Commons...thats a very unusual occurrence, especially at dinner time.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Numbers signing a petition (or not) do not constitute a mandate.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Yes, a somewhat counterproductive consequence of the pro-Trump petition is that it allows local comparison with the anti-Trump petition.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Jobabob said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Yes, a somewhat counterproductive consequence of the pro-Trump petition is that it allows local comparison with the anti-Trump petition.
    The anti-Trump petition was constantly being mentioned in the mainstream media yesterday, whereas the pro-Trump petition wasn't mentioned at all. I didn't know about its existence until earlier today.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    The visit of the Trumpster is almost certainly going to be in London and possibly Scotland, the areas of peak opposition.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    foxinsoxuk said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    Though it is an illusion. For example in the pro-Leave constituency of Sleaford and Hykeham there are 422 at present on the Pro-visit petition, but 2000 on the Anti-visit petition. Even in rural Lincs 5 times the number are opposed. Metropolitan elites I suppose.
    So about 0.02% of the Pro Petition comes from Sleaford and 0.001% on the Anti Petition. Compare to Hornsey and Wood Green where 0.0009% of the Pro Petition comes from but 0.006% of the Anti Petition comes from.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    AndyJS said:

    Jobabob said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Yes, a somewhat counterproductive consequence of the pro-Trump petition is that it allows local comparison with the anti-Trump petition.
    The anti-Trump petition was constantly being mentioned in the mainstream media yesterday, whereas the pro-Trump petition wasn't mentioned at all. I didn't know about its existence until earlier today.
    Didn't it reach some extraordinary level prior it even being mentioned on the telly?
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    rcs1000 said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/826517279953268738

    He's quite libertarian, so a good call. (Indeed, I think he's likely to take umbrage at Trump's use of EOs.)
    It is perhaps fortunate that the first SC Judge to be replaced is the Conservative Scalia.

    Now if something was to happen to Ginsburg and Breyer ...
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    The visit of the Trumpster is almost certainly going to be in London and possibly Scotland, the areas of peak opposition.
    I still can't see it happening. In high summer, in London? It just sounds like a recipe for total chaos down here.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2017
    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    No, just that support for the pro petition is spread more evenly around the country compared to the anti, nothing to do with Lincs or places like it.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Jobabob said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    The visit of the Trumpster is almost certainly going to be in London and possibly Scotland, the areas of peak opposition.
    I still can't see it happening. In high summer, in London? It just sounds like a recipe for total chaos down here.
    But the Trumpster won't want to get his hair wet and ruin the photos...
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited January 2017
    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Petitions tend to be overwhelmingly signed by the left, the pro Trump state visit petition is now on 170,000 which guarantees Parliament has to consider it for debate which was the intention. Of course even the anti Trump petition is still miles behind the 17 million who voted Leave
  • Dromedary
    Dromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2017
    Will the Russians get the blame? Or the Americans? Someone will. The Russians, probably. Here is what Fillon is saying:

    "To my knowledge, this has never happened before in the history of the Fifth Republic, never less than three months before a presidential election. This extremely powerful and highly professional operation has been launched with the sole goal of eliminating a candidate from the contest by undemocratic means."

    "À ma connaissance, dans l'histoire de la Ve République, cette situation ne s'est jamais produite, jamais à moins de trois mois d'une élection présidentielle. Une opération d'une telle ampleur et aussi professionnelle n'a été montée que pour essayer d'éliminer un candidat autrement que par la voie démocratique."

    C'mon, François, point the finger at someone!
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    edited January 2017
    Jobabob said:

    Didn't it reach some extraordinary level prior it even being mentioned on the telly?

    No, it was being talked about almost immediately simply because of the rate of signings. It's probably the best publicised petition we have ever seen in the UK. Even more than the post Brexit one, which got more signatures but slower.
  • Dromedary
    Dromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2017
    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    The "anti-Trump" petition explicitly supports allowing Trump to visit Britain.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Jobabob said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    The visit of the Trumpster is almost certainly going to be in London and possibly Scotland, the areas of peak opposition.
    I still can't see it happening. In high summer, in London? It just sounds like a recipe for total chaos down here.
    London managed state visits by George W Bush in summer
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Ravel Morrison has joined Championship side Queens' Park Rangers from Lazio on loan until the end of the season.

    Holloway is going to have some busy days and nights dealing with that one.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Casino_Royale said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Numbers signing a petition (or not) do not constitute a mandate.
    No, you need Twitter to claim a mandate :smile:
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Dromedary said:

    Will the Russians get the blame? Or the Americans? Someone will. The Russians, probably. Here is what Fillon is saying:

    "To my knowledge, this has never happened before in the history of the Fifth Republic, never less than three months before a presidential election. This extremely powerful and highly professional operation has been launched with the sole goal of eliminating a candidate from the contest by undemocratic means."

    "À ma connaissance, dans l'histoire de la Ve République, cette situation ne s'est jamais produite, jamais à moins de trois mois d'une élection présidentielle. Une opération d'une telle ampleur et aussi professionnelle n'a été montée que pour essayer d'éliminer un candidat autrement que par la voie démocratique."

    C'mon, François, point the finger at someone!

    I'd blame the EU, except I don't think they are that competent
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    edited January 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    Dromedary said:

    Will the Russians get the blame? Or the Americans? Someone will. The Russians, probably. Here is what Fillon is saying:

    "To my knowledge, this has never happened before in the history of the Fifth Republic, never less than three months before a presidential election. This extremely powerful and highly professional operation has been launched with the sole goal of eliminating a candidate from the contest by undemocratic means."

    "À ma connaissance, dans l'histoire de la Ve République, cette situation ne s'est jamais produite, jamais à moins de trois mois d'une élection présidentielle. Une opération d'une telle ampleur et aussi professionnelle n'a été montée que pour essayer d'éliminer un candidat autrement que par la voie démocratique."

    C'mon, François, point the finger at someone!

    I'd blame the EU, except I don't think they are that competent
    The French are more than capable of political intrigue and dirty tricks without any outside help.

    PS. There are some reports that Bayrou is getting closer to declaring his candidacy.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/826181668885061632
  • Dromedary
    Dromedary Posts: 1,194
    rcs1000 said:

    Dromedary said:

    Will the Russians get the blame? Or the Americans? Someone will. The Russians, probably. Here is what Fillon is saying:

    "To my knowledge, this has never happened before in the history of the Fifth Republic, never less than three months before a presidential election. This extremely powerful and highly professional operation has been launched with the sole goal of eliminating a candidate from the contest by undemocratic means."

    "À ma connaissance, dans l'histoire de la Ve République, cette situation ne s'est jamais produite, jamais à moins de trois mois d'une élection présidentielle. Une opération d'une telle ampleur et aussi professionnelle n'a été montée que pour essayer d'éliminer un candidat autrement que par la voie démocratique."

    C'mon, François, point the finger at someone!

    I'd blame the EU, except I don't think they are that competent
    Also known as the Boche! :)
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    HYUFD said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Petitions tend to be overwhelmingly signed by the left, the pro Trump state visit petition is now on 170,000 which guarantees Parliament has to consider it for debate which was the intention. Of course even the anti Trump petition is still miles behind the 17 million who voted Leave
    The EU referendum one is also miles behind the 17 million ;)
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    williamglenn said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dromedary said:

    Will the Russians get the blame? Or the Americans? Someone will. The Russians, probably. Here is what Fillon is saying:

    "To my knowledge, this has never happened before in the history of the Fifth Republic, never less than three months before a presidential election. This extremely powerful and highly professional operation has been launched with the sole goal of eliminating a candidate from the contest by undemocratic means."

    "À ma connaissance, dans l'histoire de la Ve République, cette situation ne s'est jamais produite, jamais à moins de trois mois d'une élection présidentielle. Une opération d'une telle ampleur et aussi professionnelle n'a été montée que pour essayer d'éliminer un candidat autrement que par la voie démocratique."

    C'mon, François, point the finger at someone!

    I'd blame the EU, except I don't think they are that competent
    The French are more than capable of political intrigue and dirty tricks without any outside help.

    PS. There are some reports that Bayrou is getting closer to declaring his candidacy.
    A Bayrou candidacy would boost Fillon (obviously he is working on him) and could be the kiss of death for a Macron presidency this year and ensure a Fillon v Le Pen run off
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Jobabob said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    The visit of the Trumpster is almost certainly going to be in London and possibly Scotland, the areas of peak opposition.
    I still can't see it happening. In high summer, in London? It just sounds like a recipe for total chaos down here.
    I am rather looking forward to the tainted visitor, as him and May get cosy together.

    Street protest and agitation is what Jezza does best.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    .
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Petitions tend to be overwhelmingly signed by the left, the pro Trump state visit petition is now on 170,000 which guarantees Parliament has to consider it for debate which was the intention. Of course even the anti Trump petition is still miles behind the 17 million who voted Leave
    The EU referendum one is also miles behind the 17 million ;)
    Exactly but nonetheless the pro Trump state visit petition has ensured airtime for a contrary view and that Parliament has to consider it
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    rural_voter said:

    wasd said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Corbynites might love this. "Blair’s babies’ even more rightwing than ‘Thatcher’s children'".


    https://www.ft.com/content/8352aa06-e7cc-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

    The original paper: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-political-science/article/div-classtitlethatchers-children-blairs-babies-political-socialization-and-trickle-down-value-change-an-age-period-and-cohort-analysisdiv/38664695516495C5A6C08BC656EEAB20/core-reader
    If these people move further to the right with age, they'll be real fascists by the time they're 50.
    Hopefully.
  • Fysics_Teacher
    Fysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?

    The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...

    Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Jobabob said:

    .

    Contender for post of the year! :p
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.

    Yes. Only one of them exists, but they are exactly equal in magnitude at all times. They must be, by definition.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Trump Train
    President Donald Trump will speak DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE via Facebook live regarding his #SCOTUS pick at 8PM EST. #MAGA
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    PlatoSaid said:

    Trump Train
    President Donald Trump will speak DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE via Facebook live regarding his #SCOTUS pick at 8PM EST. #MAGA

    I certainly hope it's going to be 'huge'. :D
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    PlatoSaid said:

    Trump Train
    President Donald Trump will speak DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE via Facebook live regarding his #SCOTUS pick at 8PM EST. #MAGA

    Not yet at the stage of having it relayed by a news anchor over Facetime then.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    I certainly hope it's going to be 'huge'. :D

    https://twitter.com/grimsb/status/826546873599135744

    Yoooooooge
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    HYUFD said:

    Jobabob said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    The visit of the Trumpster is almost certainly going to be in London and possibly Scotland, the areas of peak opposition.
    I still can't see it happening. In high summer, in London? It just sounds like a recipe for total chaos down here.
    London managed state visits by George W Bush in summer
    Trump is in a very different category to George W Bush, who was mainly just seen as an idiot.
  • Fysics_Teacher
    Fysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?

    The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...

    Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
    The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.
    No: orbital motion is accelerating so the forces don't balance.
    Gravity is the centripetal force. Centifugal forces are only seen if you are in the frame of reference of the rotating (or orbiting) object.

    Having said all that you missed the obvious mistake: Sean was talking metaphorically so Physics dosen't really apply, but he got the names the wrong way round.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    I certainly hope it's going to be 'huge'. :D

    twitter.com/grimsb/status/826546873599135744

    Yoooooooge
    Ah, it's going to be a "You're Hired" (technically "You're Appointed (Pending Congressional Approval)"?
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    interesting piece in the indy:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/royal-brunei-airlines-first-all-female-flight-deck-crew-lands-plane-in-saudi-arabia-where-women-are-a6931726.html
  • Barnesian
    Barnesian Posts: 9,220
    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Petitions tend to be overwhelmingly signed by the left, the pro Trump state visit petition is now on 170,000 which guarantees Parliament has to consider it for debate which was the intention. Of course even the anti Trump petition is still miles behind the 17 million who voted Leave
    The EU referendum one is also miles behind the 17 million ;)
    Exactly but nonetheless the pro Trump state visit petition has ensured airtime for a contrary view and that Parliament has to consider it
    I think they'll consider both petitions at the same time. It would make sense.
  • Fysics_Teacher
    Fysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    Scott_P said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.

    Yes. Only one of them exists, but they are exactly equal in magnitude at all times. They must be, by definition.
    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    Scott_P said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.

    Yes. Only one of them exists, but they are exactly equal in magnitude at all times. They must be, by definition.
    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?
    How many marks is this question worth on the test sir?
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,259
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    Scott_P said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.

    Yes. Only one of them exists, but they are exactly equal in magnitude at all times. They must be, by definition.
    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?
    We could ask a question about Donald Trump's hands here...
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    RobD said:

    Jobabob said:

    .

    Contender for post of the year! :p
    A good point, well made.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Physicists vs Engineers.... cue spherical cow jokes.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    edited January 2017
    Jobabob said:

    RobD said:

    Jobabob said:

    .

    Contender for post of the year! :p
    A good point, well made.
    LOL, indeed.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?

    As you yourself noted, it's in a different frame of reference.

    But at the expense of explaining the joke one more time, here's the original quote

    SeanT said:

    The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.

    The centripetal and centrifugal forces are always just as strong as each other, by definition.

    Da Boom, tish!
  • Fysics_Teacher
    Fysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    Scott_P said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.

    Yes. Only one of them exists, but they are exactly equal in magnitude at all times. They must be, by definition.
    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?
    How many marks is this question worth on the test sir?
    Four, but you have to show your working (a correctly labelled diagram may help).
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    Physicists vs Engineers.... cue spherical cow jokes.

    In a vacuum...

    I don't suppose Lame Abed owns a bone saw?
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jobabob said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Jobabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    I was simply referring to the distribution, not the total numbers.
    The revelation that the opposition is even greater in north London than it is in Lincolnshire?
    The visit of the Trumpster is almost certainly going to be in London and possibly Scotland, the areas of peak opposition.
    I still can't see it happening. In high summer, in London? It just sounds like a recipe for total chaos down here.
    London managed state visits by George W Bush in summer
    Trump is in a very different category to George W Bush, who was mainly just seen as an idiot.
    Anecdotal I know but I have never seen my usually apolitical office so animated by US politics!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    Scott_P said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.

    Yes. Only one of them exists, but they are exactly equal in magnitude at all times. They must be, by definition.
    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?
    How many marks is this question worth on the test sir?
    Four, but you have to show your working (a correctly labelled diagram may help).
    I think I might come back it to as there appears to be easier marks elsewhere on the test.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    PlatoSaid said:

    Trump Train
    President Donald Trump will speak DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE via Facebook live regarding his #SCOTUS pick at 8PM EST. #MAGA

    1am our time?
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,200
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?

    The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...

    Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
    The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.
    No: orbital motion is accelerating so the forces don't balance.
    Gravity is the centripetal force. Centifugal forces are only seen if you are in the frame of reference of the rotating (or orbiting) object.

    Having said all that you missed the obvious mistake: Sean was talking metaphorically so Physics dosen't really apply, but he got the names the wrong way round.
    They do balance on a radial line between the centre of the circle and the object

    (I'm assuming the orbit is a circle. I'm buggered if i'm doing the math for an ellipse)
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Front page of tomorrow's Telegraph report Team Trump firing shots at Merkel and Germany over them apparently "abusing the Euro".
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    MarkSenior said:

    AndyJS said:

    From a glance at the maps, it looks like support for Trump's visit is much more evenly spread around the country, whereas opposition is concentrated in certain areas:

    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
    http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

    There is not one single constituency where support for Trump's visit exceeds opposition to it
    Petitions tend to be overwhelmingly signed by the left, the pro Trump state visit petition is now on 170,000 which guarantees Parliament has to consider it for debate which was the intention. Of course even the anti Trump petition is still miles behind the 17 million who voted Leave
    The EU referendum one is also miles behind the 17 million ;)
    Exactly but nonetheless the pro Trump state visit petition has ensured airtime for a contrary view and that Parliament has to consider it
    I think they'll consider both petitions at the same time. It would make sense.
    They are Feb 20th
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    Scott_P said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    And mine was in Physics: if the forces balance it isn't accelerating so it isn't going round in a circle.

    Yes. Only one of them exists, but they are exactly equal in magnitude at all times. They must be, by definition.
    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?
    How many marks is this question worth on the test sir?
    Four, but you have to show your working (a correctly labelled diagram may help).
    I think I might come back it to as there appears to be easier marks elsewhere on the test.
    The multiverse section is a piece of piss in comparison.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited January 2017
    Jobabob said:


    The multiverse section is a piece of piss in comparison.

    Completed it mate.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    You can really tell that barely a quarter of our MPs supported Brexit.

    Speech after speech is being made in the Chamber, here, supporting A50 through very gritted teeth.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/826553860923731969
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Also many MPs seem to think they have cracking analogies for the invocation of A50, but they're almost all universally shite.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    Casino_Royale said:

    Also many MPs seem to think they have cracking analogies for the invocation of A50, but they're almost all universally shite.

    And are the analogies any good?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/826553860923731969

    Crickey.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dromedary said:

    Will the Russians get the blame? Or the Americans? Someone will. The Russians, probably. Here is what Fillon is saying:

    "To my knowledge, this has never happened before in the history of the Fifth Republic, never less than three months before a presidential election. This extremely powerful and highly professional operation has been launched with the sole goal of eliminating a candidate from the contest by undemocratic means."

    "À ma connaissance, dans l'histoire de la Ve République, cette situation ne s'est jamais produite, jamais à moins de trois mois d'une élection présidentielle. Une opération d'une telle ampleur et aussi professionnelle n'a été montée que pour essayer d'éliminer un candidat autrement que par la voie démocratique."

    C'mon, François, point the finger at someone!

    I'd blame the EU, except I don't think they are that competent
    The French are more than capable of political intrigue and dirty tricks without any outside help.

    PS. There are some reports that Bayrou is getting closer to declaring his candidacy.
    A Bayrou candidacy would boost Fillon (obviously he is working on him) and could be the kiss of death for a Macron presidency this year and ensure a Fillon v Le Pen run off
    Is there any news which you'd regard as positive for Macron?
  • Fysics_Teacher
    Fysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    Scott_P said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    How can something be equal in size to something else that dosen't exist?

    As you yourself noted, it's in a different frame of reference.

    But at the expense of explaining the joke one more time, here's the original quote

    SeanT said:

    The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.

    The centripetal and centrifugal forces are always just as strong as each other, by definition.

    Da Boom, tish!
    Only if it isn't getting bigger or smaller, which I think was SeanT's point.
    However, I also think he meant to write that the centrifugal forces (i.e. those tending to push things apart) are just as strong as the centipetal (i.e. those tending to pull it together).

    I'm not sure over-analyising metaphors is any better than over-analyising jokes, now that I finished all that.
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