Most of the countries badly affected by the Euro have done spectacularly well out of membership of the EU. Spain, Greece and Portugal have been almost literally transformed as a result of joining up. You can see it clearly when you fly down to either - the roads and railways that were not there before, and then driving into both cities - the contrast with how it was 25 years ago is profound. I don't know Greece at all, but I bet it is the same there.
Yes, exactly. What's more, they see the EU as the protector of their democracies and a guarantee they won't fall back into the bad old days of military coups and all that bad stuff which was so much part of their post-WWII history. It's not just about economics, a point which you've have thought the Brexiteers, of all people, should be able to understand.
Neither the U.K. or the EU understand the political drivers of the other.
Yes, one of the very few good consequences of Trump is he has managed to unite the left, centre-left, centre, centre-right, and libertarian right around a common cause. His sinister brand of sectarian closed nationalist alt-rightism is toxic. The new dividing line is even more defined than open vs closed - it's sane vs insane.
When Charlie Windsor starts warning about 'demigods reminiscent of the 1930's' yesterday I think it's a pretty good bet that Trump's visit wont happen. So not a good result for Tess.
Yes, one of the very few good consequences of Trump is he has managed to unite the left, centre-left, centre, centre-right, and libertarian right around a common cause. His sinister brand of sectarian closed nationalist alt-rightism is toxic. The new dividing line is even more defined than open vs closed - it's sane vs insane.
Did it really? These attributes were all pretty clear to see before the election, yet he still won.
To be clear I'm talking at a global level (internationally).
OK, but it clearly didn't happen in the US election.
I've been thinking about fake news, and I've been wondering what makes the perfect fake news story.
So this is completely fake as far as I know, but I think it ticks a lot of boxes.
"Burnham to quit Labour once in office as mayor"
Just to be clear, this isn't true.
So boxes that are ticked in the fake news world
1. Hard to disprove 2. You're playing two sensitive parties (Labour, Burnham) 3. It wouldn't go away if you ignored it because there's a bigger story carrying it along 4. It plays with a bigger narrative
Undoubtedly the bad things would of course be
1. It's totally made up 2. The wrong fake news at the wrong time
I rather hope you'll shoot this down, as in such a thing is ridiculous. But it might fool me I think.
"As a person classed as a sinner and not worthy to get married in a church why should I be obliged and forced to pay a penny towards the costs of said church?"
1. The EU is not going to break up any time soon (although it's conceivable that Greece might fall out of the Euro, not before time).
2. The EU is being entirely rational in thinking that, faced with a lurch to US protectionism and isolationism, the answer is for the EU27 to remain united. In fact, from their point of view, 'more Europe' is a sensible answer to Trump's crude attempts to throw his weight around, plus the other risks identified in Tusk's letter. What you absolutely have to understand is that the EU is largely built on the wish to resist US hegemony. Of course Trumpism will reinforce that tendency; that's entirely natural.
3. Brexit is obviously a complicating factor in this from the point of view of the EU27, but it's also an opportunity for them. Free of the dead weight of the UK, they can get on with closer union. Good for them, we should wish them well.
You underestimate the misery caused by the euro. This isn't a chortling matter
The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.
Usually, nations are formed in opposition to "the other" - cf the formation of Britain against the menacing "other" of Catholic France and Spain. And it would seem the time is ripe for otherisation of America, Britain, Asia, Islam, by the EU, to forge a true EU identity.
But. But but but. The EU simply isn't working for too many people. I see trouble ahead.
The Euro hasn't fallen 15% in six months.
"In perhaps the most striking development, European Union statistics agency Eurostat said inflation across the 19 countries that share the euro currency rose sharply in January — a move that will likely encourage critics who think it’s time for the European Central Bank to start withdrawing its stimulus programs.
Inflation jumped to an annual 1.8 percent in January, from 1.1 percent the month before."
For reference, UK inflation is lower at 1.6%. There seems to be some kind of disconnect between the falling/rising currency and cost of living argument we've seen deployed on here for months and months.
You're comparing December with January numbers. Our January figures will move up with commodity prices.
Maybe, but the notion that we uniquely have inflation because of a falling currency, as is constantly peddled these days, looks like tosh.
Theresa May (and a lot of PB Brexiteers) don't seem to understand that a lot of Leave voters really meant what they said when they said they wanted independence and British control over our own affairs. They didn't mean they were happy to be controlled by another country, as long as it was the US instead of Europe.
Apart from Farage and probably not him who has ever said that? Certainly not May who has been respectful of the EU and Trump but prepared to fight for the best deal for Britain which respects the Brexit vote
She's said she wants to sign a trade deal with Trump, even after Trump's made clear that any deals would involve massive concessions and loss of control from the other country.
I cannot see a US-UK trade deal that does not require the UK government to accept the decisions of US ISDS Tribunals that meet in secret, and are able to over-rule parliament.
I agree with that assessment and if it is the case I assume that Leavers would therefore oppose such a deal on the grounds of loss of that all important sovereignty.
Except I won't hold my breath because I guarantee many of them will accept the deal and come up with some weasel words to explain how this is somehow different !
Yes, one of the very few good consequences of Trump is he has managed to unite the left, centre-left, centre, centre-right, and libertarian right around a common cause. His sinister brand of sectarian closed nationalist alt-rightism is toxic. The new dividing line is even more defined than open vs closed - it's sane vs insane.
The problem is that the Sane (as you see them) have come up with some pretty Insane policies. That's why they've lost popularity.
Theresa May (and a lot of PB Brexiteers) don't seem to understand that a lot of Leave voters really meant what they said when they said they wanted independence and British control over our own affairs. They didn't mean they were happy to be controlled by another country, as long as it was the US instead of Europe.
Apart from Farage and probably not him who has ever said that? Certainly not May who has been respectful of the EU and Trump but prepared to fight for the best deal for Britain which respects the Brexit vote
She's said she wants to sign a trade deal with Trump, even after Trump's made clear that any deals would involve massive concessions and loss of control from the other country.
I cannot see a US-UK trade deal that does not require the UK government to accept the decisions of US ISDS Tribunals that meet in secret, and are able to over-rule parliament.
I agree with that assessment and if it is the case I assume that Leavers would therefore oppose such a deal on the grounds of loss of that all important sovereignty.
Except I won't hold my breath because I guarantee many of them will accept the deal and come up with some weasel words to explain how this is somehow different !
Didn't the EU have competencies over a wide range of issues, not just those relating to trade?
Theresa May (and a lot of PB Brexiteers) don't seem to understand that a lot of Leave voters really meant what they said when they said they wanted independence and British control over our own affairs. They didn't mean they were happy to be controlled by another country, as long as it was the US instead of Europe.
Apart from Farage and probably not him who has ever said that? Certainly not May who has been respectful of the EU and Trump but prepared to fight for the best deal for Britain which respects the Brexit vote
She's said she wants to sign a trade deal with Trump, even after Trump's made clear that any deals would involve massive concessions and loss of control from the other country.
I cannot see a US-UK trade deal that does not require the UK government to accept the decisions of US ISDS Tribunals that meet in secret, and are able to over-rule parliament.
I agree with that assessment and if it is the case I assume that Leavers would therefore oppose such a deal on the grounds of loss of that all important sovereignty.
Except I won't hold my breath because I guarantee many of them will accept the deal and come up with some weasel words to explain how this is somehow different !
The Leave intelligentsia might accept the US taking control from the UK, but I doubt many Leave voters will.
Yes, one of the very few good consequences of Trump is he has managed to unite the left, centre-left, centre, centre-right, and libertarian right around a common cause. His sinister brand of sectarian closed nationalist alt-rightism is toxic. The new dividing line is even more defined than open vs closed - it's sane vs insane.
Did it really? These attributes were all pretty clear to see before the election, yet he still won.
To be clear I'm talking at a global level (internationally).
OK, but it clearly didn't happen in the US election.
Theresa May (and a lot of PB Brexiteers) don't seem to understand that a lot of Leave voters really meant what they said when they said they wanted independence and British control over our own affairs. They didn't mean they were happy to be controlled by another country, as long as it was the US instead of Europe.
Apart from Farage and probably not him who has ever said that? Certainly not May who has been respectful of the EU and Trump but prepared to fight for the best deal for Britain which respects the Brexit vote
She's said she wants to sign a trade deal with Trump, even after Trump's made clear that any deals would involve massive concessions and loss of control from the other country.
I cannot see a US-UK trade deal that does not require the UK government to accept the decisions of US ISDS Tribunals that meet in secret, and are able to over-rule parliament.
I agree with that assessment and if it is the case I assume that Leavers would therefore oppose such a deal on the grounds of loss of that all important sovereignty.
Except I won't hold my breath because I guarantee many of them will accept the deal and come up with some weasel words to explain how this is somehow different !
The Leave intelligentsia might accept the US taking control from the UK, but I doubt many Leave voters will.
Yes, I think your earlier post about the anti-Americanism behind the reaction to Obama was quite astute.
Is there time to get more Oscar nominations presented to the Academy Awards? I was thinking of this odious trio of flotsam - Schumer, Skinner, and Mr Wooden, Keir Starmer.
Theresa May (and a lot of PB Brexiteers) don't seem to understand that a lot of Leave voters really meant what they said when they said they wanted independence and British control over our own affairs. They didn't mean they were happy to be controlled by another country, as long as it was the US instead of Europe.
Apart from Farage and probably not him who has ever said that? Certainly not May who has been respectful of the EU and Trump but prepared to fight for the best deal for Britain which respects the Brexit vote
She's said she wants to sign a trade deal with Trump, even after Trump's made clear that any deals would involve massive concessions and loss of control from the other country.
I cannot see a US-UK trade deal that does not require the UK government to accept the decisions of US ISDS Tribunals that meet in secret, and are able to over-rule parliament.
I agree with that assessment and if it is the case I assume that Leavers would therefore oppose such a deal on the grounds of loss of that all important sovereignty.
Except I won't hold my breath because I guarantee many of them will accept the deal and come up with some weasel words to explain how this is somehow different !
Didn't the EU have competencies over a wide range of issues, not just those relating to trade?
I get it now, it's only certain bits of sovereignty that were important. Perhaps "Take Back Control (Except for the Bits we hand over to America)" wouldn't have been quite as effective a campaign slogan!
You underestimate the misery caused by the euro. This isn't a chortling matter
The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.
Usually, nations are formed in opposition to "the other" - cf the formation of Britain against the menacing "other" of Catholic France and Spain. And it would seem the time is ripe for otherisation of America, Britain, Asia, Islam, by the EU, to forge a true EU identity.
But. But but but. The EU simply isn't working for too many people. I see trouble ahead.
I don't underestimate it, but in most of the countries which are badly affected, the Euro is still popular. Even Greece, although reality is gradually beating them out of their love of the Euro.
Yes, there's trouble ahead. But Trump is pushing them together, not pushing them apart. He's actually providing a rather handy 'Other' for them to contrast themselves with.
Most of the countries badly affected by the Euro have done spectacularly well out of membership of the EU. Spain, Greece and Portugal have been almost literally transformed as a result of joining up. You can see it clearly when you fly down to either - the roads and railways that were not there before, and then driving into both cities - the contrast with how it was 25 years ago is profound. I don't know Greece at all, but I bet it is the same there.
Lots of lovely new roads for the Germans to drive on en route to their island retreats.
Not so great for the millions of unemployed Greeks literally going no where in their lives.
But hey-ho. That's life in the Fourth Reich. Put up and shut up.
1. The EU is not going to break up any time soon (although it's conceivable that Greece might f
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But. But but but. The EU simply isn't working for too many people. I see trouble ahead.
The Euro hasn't fallen 15% in six months.
"In perhaps the most striking development, European Union statistics agency Eurostat said inflation across the 19 countries that sf disconnect between the falling/rising currency and cost of living argument we've seen deployed on here for months and months.
You're comparing December with January numbers. Our January figures will move up with commodity prices.
1. The EU is not going to break up any time soon (although it's conceivable that Greece might fall out of the Ethe dead weight of the UK, they can get on with closer union. Good for them, we should wish them well.
You underestimate the misery caused by the euro. This isn't a chortling matter
The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.
Usually, nations are formed in opposition to "the other" - cf the formation of Britain against the menacing "other" of Catholic France and Spain. And it would seem the time is ripe for otherisation of America, Britain, Asia, Islam, by the EU, to forge a true EU identity.
But. But but but. The EU simply isn't working for too many people. I see trouble ahead.
The Euro hasn't fallen 15% in six months.
"In perhaps the most striking development, European Union statistics agency Eurostat said inflation across the 19 countries that share the euro currency rose sharply in January — a move that will likely encourage critics who think it’s time for the European Central Bank to start withdrawing its stimulus programs.
Inflation jumped to an annual 1.8 percent in January, from 1.1 percent the month before."
For reference, UK inflation is lower at 1.6%. There seems to be some kind of disconnect between the falling/rising currency and cost of living argument we've seen deployed on here for months and months.
You're comparing December with January numbers. Our January figures will move up with commodity prices.
steel has gone up by 40-50% in the last 6 months
however next to bugger all to do with Brexit and much to do with a change in the tariff regime and removal of Chinese subsidies
Theresa May (and a lot of PB Brexiteers) don't seem to understand that a lot of Leave voters really meant what they said when they said they wanted independence and British control over our own affairs. They didn't mean they were happy to be controlled by another country, as long as it was the US instead of Europe.
Apart from Farage and probably not him who has ever said that? Certainly not May who has been respectful of the EU and Trump but prepared to fight for the best deal for Britain which respects the Brexit vote
She's said she wants to sign a trade deal with Trump, even after Trump's made clear that any deals would involve massive concessions and loss of control from the other country.
I cannot see a US-UK trade deal that does not require the UK government to accept the decisions of US ISDS Tribunals that meet in secret, and are able to over-rule parliament.
I agree with that assessment and if it is the case I assume that Leavers would therefore oppose such a deal on the grounds of loss of that all important sovereignty.
Except I won't hold my breath because I guarantee many of them will accept the deal and come up with some weasel words to explain how this is somehow different !
Because when you Lefties get your act together and get elected you can change it, in the EU, you cant. THAT is sovereignty.
What a sight! Our Sovereign* Parliament in full flow, debating the future of the Nation.
Exactly what the Brexit vote was all about.
And given the calibre of some of those speaking, what a nightmare...
*Yes, even today
Well yes.
However we get an upgrade in smoothness and coherence because David Lammy is speaking. It's a tricky thing to balance our sure knowledge of him as the most stupid man on the planet with his apparently smoother delivery.
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels by their citizens (1975-2015) Iran 0 Y N Iraq 0 Y N Libya 0 Y N Somalia 0 Y N Sudan 0 Y N Syria 0 Y N Yemen 0 Y N Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y UAE 314 N Y Egypt 162 N Y Lebanon 159 N Y
The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.
Not a student of physics then, Sean...
He is a fiction writer, so is expert in talking about things that don't exist.
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
What a sight! Our Sovereign* Parliament in full flow, debating the future of the Nation.
Exactly what the Brexit vote was all about.
And given the calibre of some of those speaking, what a nightmare...
*Yes, even today
Well yes.
However we get an upgrade in smoothness and coherence because David Lammy is speaking. It's a tricky thing to balance our sure knowledge of him as the most stupid man on the planet with his apparently smoother delivery.
There was certainly a lot of guff, emanating from the house of commons today, from both sides I might add. Fortunately there were many like Julian Lewis, the Conservative chair of the Commons defence committee, his entire speech consisted of one pithy sentence.
“The people have decided, and I’m going to vote accordingly.”
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels by their citizens (1975-2015) Iran 0 Y N Iraq 0 Y N Libya 0 Y N Somalia 0 Y N Sudan 0 Y N Syria 0 Y N Yemen 0 Y N Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y UAE 314 N Y Egypt 162 N Y Lebanon 159 N Y
They're causally linked because Trump has hotels in key US allies, who Obama was not prepared to restrict.
Concerning the brief discussion on the last thread about the pro and anti visiting petitions for Trump I have two thoughts.
First:as has been pointed out by williamglenn, the pro petition has definitely not been written by an anglophone. Note its wording:
"Donald Trump should be invited to make an official State Visit because he is the leader of a free world and U.K. is a country that supports free speech and does not believe that people that appose our point of view should be gagged."
Note the "and U.K. is a country...". The "appose" may be a simple typo. I don't know. "leader of a free world"?? None of this proves provenance of course, but I wonder. I find that essentially all phishing bait written in English can be quickly spotted by their alien infelicities.
Second, I really am beginning to think that in this digital age the use of computers and the web are primarily not reliable for communication such as finance, banking and voting, but critically important and useful for acts of composition-- writing, mathematical calculation and manipulation.
The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.
Not a student of physics then, Sean...
He is a fiction writer, so is expert in talking about things that don't exist.
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
Centrifugal force is an "apparent" force, hence the gag about fiction and bolding the word centrifugal.
In Newtonian mechanics, the centrifugal force is an inertial force (also called a 'fictitious' or 'pseudo' force) directed away from the axis of rotation that appears to act on all objects when viewed in a rotating reference frame.
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels by their citizens (1975-2015) Iran 0 Y N Iraq 0 Y N Libya 0 Y N Somalia 0 Y N Sudan 0 Y N Syria 0 Y N Yemen 0 Y N Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y UAE 314 N Y Egypt 162 N Y Lebanon 159 N Y
Sorry about the alignment - looked OK when I posted.
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels by their citizens (1975-2015) Iran 0 Y N Iraq 0 Y N Libya 0 Y N Somalia 0 Y N Sudan 0 Y N Syria 0 Y N Yemen 0 Y N Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y UAE 314 N Y Egypt 162 N Y Lebanon 159 N Y
Sorry about the alignment - looked OK when I posted.
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed by their citizens (1975-2015) Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels
Iran 0 Y N
Iraq 0 Y N
Libya 0 Y N
Somalia 0 Y N
Sudan 0 Y N
Syria 0 Y N
Yemen 0 Y N
Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y
UAE 314 N Y
Egypt 162 N Y
Lebanon 159 N Y
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels by their citizens (1975-2015) Iran 0 Y N Iraq 0 Y N Libya 0 Y N Somalia 0 Y N Sudan 0 Y N Syria 0 Y N Yemen 0 Y N Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y UAE 314 N Y Egypt 162 N Y Lebanon 159 N Y
Sorry about the alignment - looked OK when I posted.
Ambassador Stevens among others might quibble with some of those figures if he were alive. The fact is that Trump's administration didn't come up with any list of countries at all.
The centripetal forces within the EU are, arguably, just as strong as the centrifugal.
Not a student of physics then, Sean...
He is a fiction writer, so is expert in talking about things that don't exist.
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
Centrifugal force is an "apparent" force, hence the gag about fiction and bolding the word centrifugal.
In Newtonian mechanics, the centrifugal force is an inertial force (also called a 'fictitious' or 'pseudo' force) directed away from the axis of rotation that appears to act on all objects when viewed in a rotating reference frame.
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed by their citizens (1975-2015) Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels
Iran 0 Y N
Iraq 0 Y N
Libya 0 Y N
Somalia 0 Y N
Sudan 0 Y N
Syria 0 Y N
Yemen 0 Y N
Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y
UAE 314 N Y
Egypt 162 N Y
Lebanon 159 N Y
No Americans have been killed by Iraqis? Who killed all those American soldiers then? Or were they all killed by Saudis posing as Iraqis?
(Incidentally I think that was the Americans' own stupid fault, but the list as written is utterly absurd. If it means 'Americans killed on American territory' that would make more sense, but would still technically exclude Libya.)
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Just to confirm where President Trump's interests are: No of Americans killed Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels by their citizens (1975-2015) Iran 0 Y N Iraq 0 Y N Libya 0 Y N Somalia 0 Y N Sudan 0 Y N Syria 0 Y N Yemen 0 Y N Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y UAE 314 N Y Egypt 162 N Y Lebanon 159 N Y
What a sight! Our Sovereign* Parliament in full flow, debating the future of the Nation.
Exactly what the Brexit vote was all about.
And given the calibre of some of those speaking, what a nightmare...
*Yes, even today
Well yes.
However we get an upgrade in smoothness and coherence because David Lammy is speaking. It's a tricky thing to balance our sure knowledge of him as the most stupid man on the planet with his apparently smoother delivery.
There was certainly a lot of guff, emanating from the house of commons today, from both sides I might add. Fortunately there were many like Julian Lewis, the Conservative chair of the Commons defence committee, his entire speech consisted of one pithy sentence.
“The people have decided, and I’m going to vote accordingly.”
We did elect them.
And actually I don't mind the odd poor speech, and I don't even mind the odd prepared, polished and free-of-content speech. I think that this is precisely what we should encourage.
The presence of Quebec pulls Canada to the Left, and also forces a system of bilinguism and compromise on it to maintain its federal union. It also tried to establish reserves, or assimilate, its native peoples rather than outright conquest.
There's also a desire to differentiate itself from the US, which helps to maintain the monarchy, but also means it went fully metric fairly enthusiastically, embraces social healthcare and is less tub-thumping about its nationhood.
But, there are plenty of Canadians who are right-wing, and the Canadian Conservatives clocked almost 40% of the vote less than six years ago.
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
The White Rabbit just said that, incomprehensibly as he played no previous part in the conversation. Is there an element of sockpuppetry here?
The presence of Quebec pulls Canada to the Left, and also forces a system of bilinguism and compromise on it to maintain its federal union. It also tried to establish reserves, or assimilate, its native peoples rather than outright conquest.
There's also a desire to differentiate itself from the US, which helps to maintain the monarchy, but also means it went fully metric fairly enthusiastically, embraces social healthcare and is less tub-thumping about its nationhood.
But, there are plenty of Canadians who are right-wing, and the Canadian Conservatives clocked almost 40% of the vote less than six years ago.
Better than Cameron did.
I think they are changing to PR for the next election, at least the Liberals promised they would. The UK Parliament will soon become one of the last bastions of FPTP (and long may that continue).
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
The White Rabbit just said that, incomprehensibly as he played no previous part in the conversation. Is there an element of sockpuppetry here?
You could define the imbalance between centrifugal and centripetal forces as the definition of General relativity. Stuff that happens at a distance isn't quite the same as the other stuff that happens at the other distance.
The presence of Quebec pulls Canada to the Left, and also forces a system of bilinguism and compromise on it to maintain its federal union. It also tried to establish reserves, or assimilate, its native peoples rather than outright conquest.
There's also a desire to differentiate itself from the US, which helps to maintain the monarchy, but also means it went fully metric fairly enthusiastically, embraces social healthcare and is less tub-thumping about its nationhood.
But, there are plenty of Canadians who are right-wing, and the Canadian Conservatives clocked almost 40% of the vote less than six years ago.
Better than Cameron did.
It's easy to accommodate newcomers when you have one of the lowest population densities in the world.
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
The White Rabbit just said that, incomprehensibly as he played no previous part in the conversation. Is there an element of sockpuppetry here?
The presence of Quebec pulls Canada to the Left, and also forces a system of bilinguism and compromise on it to maintain its federal union. It also tried to establish reserves, or assimilate, its native peoples rather than outright conquest.
There's also a desire to differentiate itself from the US, which helps to maintain the monarchy, but also means it went fully metric fairly enthusiastically, embraces social healthcare and is less tub-thumping about its nationhood.
But, there are plenty of Canadians who are right-wing, and the Canadian Conservatives clocked almost 40% of the vote less than six years ago.
Better than Cameron did.
I think they are changing to PR for the next election, at least the Liberals promised they would. The UK Parliament will soon become one of the last bastions of FPTP (and long may that continue).
I'll believe it when I see it.
Either way: if the Liberals think it'll lock the Tories out of power in Canada for a generation (which is what they want) I think they'll be disappointed.
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
The White Rabbit just said that, incomprehensibly as he played no previous part in the conversation. Is there an element of sockpuppetry here?
It was Francis who said it on my thread...
You're living in the darkest timeline.
I think I entered the twilight zone when that Boy Scout chap was at large.
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.
The presence of Quebec pulls Canada to the Left, and also forces a system of bilinguism and compromise on it to maintain its federal union. It also tried to establish reserves, or assimilate, its native peoples rather than outright conquest.
There's also a desire to differentiate itself from the US, which helps to maintain the monarchy, but also means it went fully metric fairly enthusiastically, embraces social healthcare and is less tub-thumping about its nationhood.
But, there are plenty of Canadians who are right-wing, and the Canadian Conservatives clocked almost 40% of the vote less than six years ago.
Better than Cameron did.
It's easy to accommodate newcomers when you have one of the lowest population densities in the world.
Easier to find the space, certainly, but social issues don't go away - most Canadians live in the same places.
Vancouver has changed massively over the last 30 years.
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.
If the object is not in orbit then the forces are not necessarily Centripetal/Centrifugal
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
"It's a tricky thing to do because it's a large sum so of course you have to figure out how to do that. It's not as an escrow account in some of the other cases where it might be 25 or 30 million euros … and therefore I do respect that it's a complicated matter and it may take a little more time."
Yes, I'm sure that's the problem, not that Apple doesn't want to pay
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
"It's a tricky thing to do because it's a large sum so of course you have to figure out how to do that. It's not as an escrow account in some of the other cases where it might be 25 or 30 million euros … and therefore I do respect that it's a complicated matter and it may take a little more time."
Yes, I'm sure that's the problem, not that Apple doesn't want to pay
Couldn't they have just used Apple Pay and turned up at EU HQ and deeped their iPhone 8.
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
"It's a tricky thing to do because it's a large sum so of course you have to figure out how to do that. It's not as an escrow account in some of the other cases where it might be 25 or 30 million euros … and therefore I do respect that it's a complicated matter and it may take a little more time."
Yes, I'm sure that's the problem, not that Apple doesn't want to pay
Couldn't they have just used Apple Pay and turned up at EU HQ and deeped their iPhone 8.
LOL. I love the thought of paying a $14bn fine with ApplePay.
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
If these people move further to the right with age, they'll be real fascists by the time they're 50.
I think you make the mistake of demonising your political opponents. Whilst it does appear to be very clear that people become more conservative/right wing as they age, I think they still retains a moral compass that prevents them becoming unacceptably right wing.
Most people are decent and want the best for their communities. The rest difference between right and left is the process not the aim.
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
I think gold-plating (of rules) civil servants are part of Brexit.
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.
If the object is not in orbit then the forces are not necessarily Centripetal/Centrifugal
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
There is a famous Irish poker player who when asked what the difference between Irish and British was he said you guys see a new rule as one to be unerringly adhered to, we Irish see a new rule as a fresh challenge to circumvent.
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
British politicians thought that the EU was all about 'brotherhood of nations'.
French politicians knew it was 'a continuation of war by other means'.
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
I think gold-plating (of rules) civil servants are part of Brexit.
Agreed. My father, who is ardently pro-European, was very angry with a 12 page set of animal welfare rules (I think it was on caged chickens) drafted by the Dutch, which became 7 pages for the French and a whopping 248 for the British.
That does not however excuse the many stupid things they have done without any help at all that we should simply have ignored.
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
There is a famous Irish poker player who when asked what the difference between Irish and British was he said you guys see a new rule as one to be unerringly adhered to, we Irish see a new rule as a fresh challenge to circumvent.
Apple has not fully paid the 13 billion euros ($13.9 billion) it owes to Ireland in illegal tax benefits even though the deadline has passed, the European Union's competition said on Tuesday
With hindsight, the great missed opportunity we had in Europe was that we stuck religiously to the rules. Had we gamed the system like all the others (with the possible exception of the Germans) and particularly if we had gone after our interests in the way the French did (e.g. getting British beef banned from all markets in 1996 so they could move in, despite France having twice the rate of BSE that Britain did and not even taking basic precautions on offal or testing, allowing the contaminated meat to enter the food chain) we would all have loved Europe and ironically it would probably have worked far more efficiently all around.
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
There is a famous Irish poker player who when asked what the difference between Irish and British was he said you guys see a new rule as one to be unerringly adhered to, we Irish see a new rule as a fresh challenge to circumvent.
Liam Flood?
I got knocked out of EPT Ireland by Andy Black a few years back.
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.
If the object is not in orbit then the forces are not necessarily Centripetal/Centrifugal
But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.
If the object is not in orbit then the forces are not necessarily Centripetal/Centrifugal
But they CAN be. Take the case of a child on a roundabout in a park that goes flying off, that is a case of centripetal/centrifugal forces not being equal.
No. That's a breach of health and safety regulations.
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That's why we're leaving.
https://twitter.com/JRRT1904/status/826504779664879616
So this is completely fake as far as I know, but I think it ticks a lot of boxes.
"Burnham to quit Labour once in office as mayor"
Just to be clear, this isn't true.
So boxes that are ticked in the fake news world
1. Hard to disprove
2. You're playing two sensitive parties (Labour, Burnham)
3. It wouldn't go away if you ignored it because there's a bigger story carrying it along
4. It plays with a bigger narrative
Undoubtedly the bad things would of course be
1. It's totally made up
2. The wrong fake news at the wrong time
I rather hope you'll shoot this down, as in such a thing is ridiculous. But it might fool me I think.
"As a person classed as a sinner and not worthy to get married in a church why should I be obliged and forced to pay a penny towards the costs of said church?"
Indeed.
https://www.ft.com/content/8352aa06-e7cc-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539
Except I won't hold my breath because I guarantee many of them will accept the deal and come up with some weasel words to explain how this is somehow different !
https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI/status/826510514276687872
Just ask Hilary Benn.
What a sight! Our Sovereign* Parliament in full flow, debating the future of the Nation.
Exactly what the Brexit vote was all about.
And given the calibre of some of those speaking, what a nightmare...
*Yes, even today
However we get an upgrade in smoothness and coherence because David Lammy is speaking. It's a tricky thing to balance our sure knowledge of him as the most stupid man on the planet with his apparently smoother delivery.
NEW: Labour's Clive Lewis to oppose 'hard Brexit' Article 50 bill at third reading 'whatever the consequences'
No of Americans killed Banned by Trump Has Trump Hotels
by their citizens (1975-2015)
Iran 0 Y N
Iraq 0 Y N
Libya 0 Y N
Somalia 0 Y N
Sudan 0 Y N
Syria 0 Y N
Yemen 0 Y N
Saudi Arabia 2369 N Y
UAE 314 N Y
Egypt 162 N Y
Lebanon 159 N Y
“The people have decided, and I’m going to vote accordingly.”
First:as has been pointed out by williamglenn, the pro petition has definitely not been written by an anglophone. Note its wording:
"Donald Trump should be invited to make an official State Visit because he is the leader of a free world and U.K. is a country that supports free speech and does not believe that people that appose our point of view should be gagged."
Note the "and U.K. is a country...". The "appose" may be a simple typo. I don't know. "leader of a free world"??
None of this proves provenance of course, but I wonder.
I find that essentially all phishing bait written in English can be quickly spotted by their alien infelicities.
Second, I really am beginning to think that in this digital age the use of computers and the web are primarily not reliable for communication such as finance, banking and voting, but critically important and useful for acts of composition-- writing, mathematical calculation and manipulation.
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
https://xkcd.com/123/
No Americans have been killed by Iraqis? Who killed all those American soldiers then? Or were they all killed by Saudis posing as Iraqis?
(Incidentally I think that was the Americans' own stupid fault, but the list as written is utterly absurd. If it means 'Americans killed on American territory' that would make more sense, but would still technically exclude Libya.)
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38807783
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41715530/ns/world_news-africa/t/four-american-hostages-killed-somali-pirates/
And actually I don't mind the odd poor speech, and I don't even mind the odd prepared, polished and free-of-content speech. I think that this is precisely what we should encourage.
Democracy turns out to be tricky.
There's also a desire to differentiate itself from the US, which helps to maintain the monarchy, but also means it went fully metric fairly enthusiastically, embraces social healthcare and is less tub-thumping about its nationhood.
But, there are plenty of Canadians who are right-wing, and the Canadian Conservatives clocked almost 40% of the vote less than six years ago.
Better than Cameron did.
There is no soft or hard Brexit at this point. We just have to activate A50, then the negotiations commence.
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Wait, there are other timelines..?
Either way: if the Liberals think it'll lock the Tories out of power in Canada for a generation (which is what they want) I think they'll be disappointed.
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
*innocent face*
Vancouver has changed massively over the last 30 years.
Engineering apology #1 was degree so I think I some idea. Chance of an undergraduate?
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/apple-misses-deadline-to-pay-ireland-illegal-tax-benefits.html
Yes, I'm sure that's the problem, not that Apple doesn't want to pay
Valuable lesson learned? Almost certainly not, but it's an intriguing point.
Most people are decent and want the best for their communities. The rest difference between right and left is the process not the aim.
I think gold-plating (of rules) civil servants are part of Brexit.
French politicians knew it was 'a continuation of war by other means'.
That does not however excuse the many stupid things they have done without any help at all that we should simply have ignored.
I wonder if on Eurozone political websites there are people copying tweets saying 'Five percent increase in marmite price is the fault of Brexit'.
Ah, my coat!
No. That's a breach of health and safety regulations.