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Surprisingly Presidential speech.0
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He's got the tone right so far.0
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Ok then.JosiasJessop said:
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.Luckyguy1983 said:
You're not really going with Putin are you?foxinsoxuk said:
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!0 -
Echoes of Tezza here0
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His words before his election will be like Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change': a millstone around his neck.MyBurningEars said:He's trying very gamely to drone out the odd calls to lock her up...
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Great speech from Trump0
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That Virginia for a long time was too close to call with Trump in the lead.SimonStClare said:
Florida was the Sunderland moment, what's the Newcastle confirmation it was not a one off?Alistair said:
Florida. The huge turnaround in the vote there made @rcs1000 completely reverse his positionanother_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
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So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?0
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He is so shallow0
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Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.0
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Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok then.JosiasJessop said:
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.Luckyguy1983 said:
You're not really going with Putin are you?foxinsoxuk said:
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!0 -
You mean our Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the USAlanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
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They are important in binary races. Under our electoral system, though, they do not matter. When 37% puts you in government the working class can safely be ignored.another_richard said:So the US establishment have now learnt what the British establishment learnt in June:
working class votes are important
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Trump is currently on 48.0% in the popular vote. It's possible he could end up with less than the 47.2% Romney polled in 2012 when all the votes are counted.0
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I had to have 40 winks - but I had to get back up again. It's a once in a lifetime occasion to watch!Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
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Oh God, he's rambling and even his own family don't want the o be on stage with him0
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It was pretty clear by 1.00 am that Trump had won it.williamglenn said:
That Virginia for a long time was too close to call with Trump in the lead.SimonStClare said:
Florida was the Sunderland moment, what's the Newcastle confirmation it was not a one off?Alistair said:
Florida. The huge turnaround in the vote there made @rcs1000 completely reverse his positionanother_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
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Unlikely and of course Johnson and Stein took significant numbers of votes, eating into both Trump and Clinton's total. Clinton is already exactly on the 47.2% Romney gotAndyJS said:Trump is currently on 48.0% in the popular vote. It's possible he could end up with less than the 47.2% Romney polled in 2012 when all the votes are counted.
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Clinton's contribution to her own downfall was large. The email server was a massive target she hung around her own neck, and the emails were ammunition her opponents could fling at her.
Having said that, I doubt it'll lead to any improved security within government. It'll still go on, as in the minds of too many people, security gets in the way.0 -
Kudos Miss PPlatoSaid said:
I had to have 40 winks - but I had to get back up again. It's a once in a lifetime occasion to watch!Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
calm in the face of fire throughout the campaign0 -
Well done Plato - you were so steadfast in your belief despite enormous pressure from many on this forumPlatoSaid said:
I had to have 40 winks - but I had to get back up again. It's a once in a lifetime occasion to watch!Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
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For me it was time to call it (and I did) when Ohio came in. Not so much as he won but the scale of the win. It was inevitable that he would clean up the mid West after that which was going to win it for him.williamglenn said:
That Virginia for a long time was too close to call with Trump in the lead.SimonStClare said:
Florida was the Sunderland moment, what's the Newcastle confirmation it was not a one off?Alistair said:
Florida. The huge turnaround in the vote there made @rcs1000 completely reverse his positionanother_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
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Well that was bigly night!0
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Trump doesnt half ramble0
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So the pre election Latino only polling was a great big crock of shit by the looks of things if the exit polling is accurate.0
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Ms Plato tipster of the yearPlatoSaid said:
I had to have 40 winks - but I had to get back up again. It's a once in a lifetime occasion to watch!Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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Who knows - maybe he'll tone it all down in office and not do much.0
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We are not to know. If they did, it's surely the ugliness they exposed that's to blame, rather than the messenger.JosiasJessop said:
Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok then.JosiasJessop said:
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.Luckyguy1983 said:
You're not really going with Putin are you?foxinsoxuk said:
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!
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I think you might if you had just won the POTUSBlue_rog said:Oh God, he's rambling and even his own family don't want the o be on stage with him
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Maybe he'll get on well with Boris?Alanbrooke said:Trump doesnt half ramble
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LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.malcolmg said:
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)0 -
Trump calling out Giuliani, Huckabee and Carson for thanks, I assume no mention of Bush, Rubio or Kasich or Ryan, they are as big losers as Hillary this morning0
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That's wrong. No-one could withstand that much accountancy of their affairs, and especially misreporting of it.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are not to know. If they did, it's surely the ugliness they exposed that's to blame, rather than the messenger.JosiasJessop said:
Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok then.JosiasJessop said:
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.Luckyguy1983 said:
You're not really going with Putin are you?foxinsoxuk said:
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!0 -
Where is 619 to tell us what's happened?0
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Just woken up. WoW. The trump rampers were right all along.0
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When will we learn, the polling industry hasnt got a scubby-doo!0
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Currently looking for alternative employment.Moses_ said:Where is 619 to tell us what's happened?
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Trump will have a huge team of advisors and the full might of the Government machine helping him. - Which he’ll probably ignore.MikeL said:Who knows - maybe he'll tone it all down in office and not do much.
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I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retweeting and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.0
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Yes quite and he's actually graciously thanking a lot of peopleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think you might if you had just won the POTUSBlue_rog said:Oh God, he's rambling and even his own family don't want the o be on stage with him
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Well all this will generate loads of traffic for Mike's site! I haven't been so surprised since 1992! Let's see how he does...0
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She called that well wrong, though there will be a queue of the turkeys kissing his butt and hoping he does not hold a grudge. Saint Teresa will be among the vvultures kissing butt for sure.Alanbrooke said:
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.malcolmg said:
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)0 -
STEIN currently on .92% of the vote. Please please please stay there.0
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Did Stein and Johnson get Secret Service protection? How serious a candidate do you have to be to get them assigned to you?0
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she may need to cede that Golf course as US sovereign territory :-)malcolmg said:
She called that well wrongAlanbrooke said:
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.malcolmg said:
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)0 -
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.PlatoSaid said:
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.RobD said:I bet Pence can't believe it!
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.0 -
Oh well, President Trump it is. Beeb just gave him 275 electors...0
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As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.TwistedFireStopper said:I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
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Do I get the feeling he had to speak off the cuff because he was expecting to lose?
That was an awful speech.0 -
Absolutely and totally agree.TwistedFireStopper said:I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
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Giuliani - Attorney GeneralDecrepitJohnL said:
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.PlatoSaid said:
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.RobD said:I bet Pence can't believe it!
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.
Gingrich - Secretary of State
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Good night, I mean morning, off to snooze for a couple of hours
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When to bed at 4am - it looked utterly bad for Clinton, but I had a tiny hope I would awake and it had all been a bad dream.
Shattering.
America enters completely uncharted waters.0 -
Well I think Mrs farage will be pleased...no idea about her politics, but she won't have to put up with Nige moping around the house.0
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The end of Obamacare, climate change.......? What else?DecrepitJohnL said:
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.PlatoSaid said:
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.RobD said:I bet Pence can't believe it!
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.0 -
True enough. Like any procedure, people get irritated if it lessens their convenience.JosiasJessop said:Clinton's contribution to her own downfall was large. The email server was a massive target she hung around her own neck, and the emails were ammunition her opponents could fling at her.
Having said that, I doubt it'll lead to any improved security within government. It'll still go on, as in the minds of too many people, security gets in the way.
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Andrew Neil is surely another winner. I think there is finally hope for the BBC coverage of elections once again. Goodbye Dimbleby and thanks for all the platitudes.0
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Isn't that (at least a small part of) the point?ydoethur said:Do I get the feeling he had to speak off the cuff because he was expecting to lose?
That was an awful speech.
If he gave the full Daveblairobamite spiel, wouldn't that slickness just be more of the same?0 -
Still £500+ at 1.37+ on a Clinton popular vote victory. She's 900k behind and has got another 1.7m or so to come in CA0
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Another question: has this election been a success or a failure for Twitter and Facebook?0
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What Wikileaks handed to us was the red pill. We've got to see all the ugly duplicity and collusion amongst the rich and powerful. And to see what they really think of us.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are not to know. If they did, it's surely the ugliness they exposed that's to blame, rather than the messenger.JosiasJessop said:
Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?Luckyguy1983 said:
Ok then.JosiasJessop said:
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.Luckyguy1983 said:
You're not really going with Putin are you?foxinsoxuk said:
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!
After 55k emails - I can't think of a single one that was concerned with helping the people - it was all about manipulation, triangulation and grifting. It's lanced a massive boil and it'll take a long time for the hard lessons/ruined reputations to be forgotten.
Drain The Swamp was spot on.0 -
Donald gets the tone right early with the background music
" you cant always get what you want "0 -
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?0 -
Well done to Plato and one or two others on here.
Polling and projection analysis and 538 are all finished.
But who cares while we watch in fear to see if Congress can control him.0 -
Let's not mention votecastr.rottenborough said:Well done to Plato and one or two others on here.
Polling and projection analysis and 538 are all finished.
But who cares while we watch in fear to see if Congress can control him.0 -
This, I think Sanders would have played fine in the rustbelt.ydoethur said:
No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.
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It drew further comparisons with Harding - the only man, woman or child to write a simple declarative sentence with seven grammatical errors.MyBurningEars said:
Isn't that (at least a small part of) the point?ydoethur said:Do I get the feeling he had to speak off the cuff because he was expecting to lose?
That was an awful speech.
If he gave the full Daveblairobamite spiel, wouldn't that slickness just be more of the same?
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Trump slipped into presidential mode from candidate mode seamlessly imo.0
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Good morning, everyone.
Bloody hell. Didn't think this'd happen.
Plato = Cassandra, the seer of Troy whose prophecies came true but were never believed.0 -
538 did a bloody good job. They beat every other model and the betting markets.rottenborough said:Well done to Plato and one or two others on here.
Polling and projection analysis and 538 are all finished.
But who cares while we watch in fear to see if Congress can control him.0 -
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They will be stuck under their rocks I fear.TwistedFireStopper said:I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retweeting and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
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I know rod modelling ultimately went for clinton, but for over a year he said trump would do it.0
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538 rated a Trump win at about 1 in 4 based on the polling. That's pretty good given how poor the polling was.rottenborough said:Well done to Plato and one or two others on here.
Polling and projection analysis and 538 are all finished.
But who cares while we watch in fear to see if Congress can control him.0 -
I went to bed with the ringing assurances of PB,s best and brightest that Trump couldn't win ...... Errr0
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That does not bode wellMorris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Bloody hell. Didn't think this'd happen.
Plato = Cassandra, the seer of Troy whose prophecies came true but were never believed.
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Wow, I hadn't realised that the Senate hadn't confirmed a new Justice, so there is a vacancy right now!0
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Looks like the Anglosphere is shaking the world up a bit0
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I read a piece the other day that Trump wears a bullet proof vest under his shirt now. What a massive change his life has undergone. From feted by A-Listers to hated by all but a tiny handful. Had massive abuse, smears and personal abuse as if he wasn't even human being.MyBurningEars said:Did Stein and Johnson get Secret Service protection? How serious a candidate do you have to be to get them assigned to you?
And bizarrely - moving into the White House will be a serious step-down accommodation wise
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GodDamn succesful Outsiders, Making People Think it's Safe To Criticise Foreign Candidates.malcolmg said:
She called that well wrong, though there will be a queue of the turkeys kissing his butt and hoping he does not hold a grudge. Saint Teresa will be among the vvultures kissing butt for sure.Alanbrooke said:
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.malcolmg said:
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)0 -
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...Charles said:
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?0 -
Quite an astonishing night! Now for the total meltdown of the American commentariat, as we saw in the UK a few months ago.PlatoSaid said:
I had to have 40 winks - but I had to get back up again. It's a once in a lifetime occasion to watch!Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Orders more popcorn!!0 -
At least Clinton saved a bit of dosh by cancelling the fireworks.0
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I lurched off to bed last night with young Mr Smithson intoning that 'a swing is a swing' and 'it's all over' then arose to this. One consolation though: it makes me feel better about Brexit. We're now not the only country capable of being seismically reckless with our own good standing.0
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Experts,pollsters,pundits wrong yet again.
Congratulations Plato.0 -
Rod has kicked JackW's ARSE again.FrancisUrquhart said:I know rod modelling ultimately went for clinton, but for over a year he said trump would do it.
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I am going to campaign to have Prestwick airport renamed to TRUMP airport.Alanbrooke said:
she may need to cede that Golf course as US sovereign territory :-)malcolmg said:
She called that well wrongAlanbrooke said:
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.malcolmg said:
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
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Shaking or breaking? Time will tell.Alanbrooke said:Looks like the Anglosphere is shaking the world up a bit
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Sorry noJosiasJessop said:
As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.TwistedFireStopper said:I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
As someone who really did not give a shit either way as commonly stated on this forum
Plato got a avalanche of abuse here. An absolute Avalanche....Just go back and read some of the terrible things that were said about her. You should be absolutely fucking ashamed of this and hang you collected heads. All of you....
Plato can stand up for herself as we all very well know but the treatment that certain posters gave to her over many months just because she researched and posted alternatives were nothing short of disgraceful.
Well done ms Plato .
I Should have said this before I did not and I include myself in the above shame as a consequence.
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But what will that include for the people who voted for them? Protectionism?PlatoSaid said:
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.RobD said:I bet Pence can't believe it!
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.0 -
Total disaster for the Dems. Net gain of 1 in the Senate but still Republican, net gain of 5 in the House, still Republican, a chance to rebalance the Supreme Court for a generation and a reworking of the US Presidential map that opens up so many more opportunities for Republican candidates to win. Kasich surely will be a very strong candidate in 4 years time if the Donald has had enough.0
