(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 3h3 hours ago The liberal era is over. It's done. We have to protect what we can. But we have to realise, we won't be able to protect everything.
Early morning hyperbole?
Not really, it's true. The era of social progress is over. We now await to see the extent of damage a Trump presidency will cause.
As others have said, it's beyond perplexing that Establishment clever dicks over the pond apparently learned nothing from Brexit.
And then the same issues slapped them in the face with a wet haddock last night. I've CNN on in the background and the same talking heads who'd no idea what was motivating these oiks yesterday - are now all experts in why it happened.
Screw Brexit. What the Americans really should have learned from is Trump winning the Republican primary and the complete destruction of GOP Establishment candidates like Bush and Kasich, who were just a fag paper away from Hillary in tone, substance and complete lack of charisma. Not to mention Bernie Sanders scoring more than three votes.
Well if the land of the free can elect a misogynistic, racist demagogue then anything can happen.
The result has completely changed my view on Corby's prospects. If America can elect a maniac then so can this country.
True. Although, with luck, the realization that Brexit is no easy ride will have sunk in by then and we'd have got it out of our system. But there will be many who will cling on to the political 'f*ck you' like a drug.
And then the same issues slapped them in the face with a wet haddock last night. I've CNN on in the background and the same talking heads who'd no idea what was motivating these oiks yesterday - are now all experts in why it happened.
I bloody hate that, people who take one line for months or years on end, and then when they are wrong they "explain" why it was obvious all along that the surprise was going to happen. They are charlatans.
As others have said, it's beyond perplexing that Establishment clever dicks over the pond apparently learned nothing from Brexit.
And then the same issues slapped them in the face with a wet haddock last night. I've CNN on in the background and the same talking heads who'd no idea what was motivating these oiks yesterday - are now all experts in why it happened.
Pundits are almoat always wrong but never let it slow them down
Why is everyone calling Clinton a bad loser? What has she said?
They sent everyone home from their gathering saying she would speak in the morning. She has conceded to Trump in a phone call but has not spoken in public
Just imagine for a moment about what Hillary must be thinking. She has endured God knows what from Bill and stood by his side to keep her eyes focussed on one goal: being the first of her sex to be President of the United States of America.
Now she will forever be a footnote. The woman who lost to Donald Trump.
Hard to appear in public when you are processing that. That America hates you more than it hates Donald Trump. That's tough.
Mr. Abode, jein. I don't think it's a left/right issue. I think it's about globalisation benefiting those at the top, being difficult for those at the bottom, and substantially changing (through mass migration) the nature of nations.
You can look at that from a right or left wing perspective on either side.
Mr. L, when I said 'worst loser' I didn't mean graceless, I meant she was hot favourite in 2008, and favourite in 2016, and lost both times.
Oh right. I agree this is the most remarkable result since Truman. She had every advantage and still lost handily.
Just imagine for a moment about what Hillary must be thinking. She has endured God knows what from Bill and stood by his side to keep her eyes focussed on one goal: being the first of her sex to be President of the United States of America.
Now she will forever be a footnote. The woman who lost to Donald Trump.
Hard to appear in public when you are processing that. That America hates you more than it hates Donald Trump. That's tough.
Well I don't think the next season of House of Cards can top this...
Looks like Plato had a point after all, a few apologies and a lot less abuse from all sides would be sensible.
Probably ought to start pondering Corbyn a bit more seriously, I mean the polls are bad for him, but pollsters are not exactly doing a great job right now.
Pundits, pollsters, forecasters, journalists, talking heads, think tank wonks, and all the other know-it-alls who fill the airwaves and newspapers should reflect on their job sand whether another line of employment might better serve them.
Will 619 do an IOS?
Politics is shifting rightwards. Pretty certain Corbyns actually numbers will be as poor as they look.
Well, it looks like it's shifting towards extremes, really. Greece's government is pretty much of the hard left.
Paul Mason's masterplan is to rouse the same hunger for change but direct it at a Left-Syriza style movement/party.
Paul Mason is absolutely nuts. I really didn't have any inclining as to just how hard-left he was until he left Newsnight. I now no longer believe that a Corbyn victory is impossible. It's clear that polls are worth sweet fa, and that from here on now they should no longer be given an ounce of credibility.
Read one of my posts earlier in this thread.
If I were a gambler, I'd put money on Labour leading in the polls next year (if the odds were good enough!), and I certainly think it's possible for them to win in 2020.
On the other hand, if May successfully negotiates the hurricanes swirling around her and leaves the country in a more prosperous and settled state, then she'll have been a better PM than even Thatcher. Early signs are distinctly mixed.
There are also opportunities for the Lib Dems, if Farron can grasp them. And that's sadly a big conditional.
Well if the land of the free can elect a misogynistic, racist demagogue then anything can happen.
The result has completely changed my view on Corby's prospects. If America can elect a maniac then so can this country.
True. Although, with luck, the realization that Brexit is no easy ride will have sunk in by then and we'd have got it out of our system. But there will be many who will cling on to the political 'f*ck you' like a drug.
Brexit is already turning about to be not as simple, or as straightforward as some would have had you believe.
So only WilliamGlenn, MikeL and MonikerDiCanio predicted the correct result on eve of poll although many of us were on Trump and benefited. Even Plato backed off and refused to make a prediction/back a winner. Yet, overall, I suspect PBers profited simply because it was obvious Trump would win at 2am despite being at 6 on Betfair. Hope everyone got on.
As others have said, it's beyond perplexing that Establishment clever dicks over the pond apparently learned nothing from Brexit.
And then the same issues slapped them in the face with a wet haddock last night. I've CNN on in the background and the same talking heads who'd no idea what was motivating these oiks yesterday - are now all experts in why it happened.
Pundits are almoat always wrong but never let it slow them down
It's nice to know that do the opposite of what Dan Hodges claims is still 100% valid. It was him coming out for Hilary last night that meant I lumped on to Trump.
We are in a flood of anti system, anti establishmentarionism and that is what has driven Brexit and Trump. The world will be a different place in 3 1/2 years, but I still do not see Corbyn taking over. But strange things happen!
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 3h3 hours ago The liberal era is over. It's done. We have to protect what we can. But we have to realise, we won't be able to protect everything.
Early morning hyperbole?
Not really, it's true. The era of social progress is over. We now await to see the extent of damage a Trump presidency will cause.
America turns right - good news for the Tories but great news for Britain - let's hear no more Obamaspeak of our being placed at the back of the queue in terms of negotiating trade deals, etc. Three cheers for the Special Relationship, which hasn't been very special over recent years.
Philip Collins @PCollinsTimes 40s41 seconds ago The US and the UK both now have governments who rode a wave of populism but have no real idea what to do. Emptiness is as likely as disaster
Sockets like this are the reason the media calls everything wrong.
America turns right - good news for the Tories but great news for Britain - let's hear no more Obamaspeak of our being placed at the back of the queue in terms of negotiating trade deals, etc. Three cheers for the Special Relationship, which hasn't been very special over recent years.
Just imagine for a moment about what Hillary must be thinking. She has endured God knows what from Bill and stood by his side to keep her eyes focussed on one goal: being the first of her sex to be President of the United States of America.
Now she will forever be a footnote. The woman who lost to Donald Trump.
Hard to appear in public when you are processing that. That America hates you more than it hates Donald Trump. That's tough.
Well I don't think the next season of House of Cards can top this...
We are in a flood of anti system, anti establishmentarionism and that is what has driven Brexit and Trump. The world will be a different place in 3 1/2 years, but I still do not see Corbyn taking over. But strange things happen!
I don't think it is just that. It's also right-of-centre and anti-immigration. It's white working class who have had enough.
Those who think Corbyn sings the same tune should think again.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 3h3 hours ago The liberal era is over. It's done. We have to protect what we can. But we have to realise, we won't be able to protect everything.
Early morning hyperbole?
Not really, it's true. The era of social progress is over. We now await to see the extent of damage a Trump presidency will cause.
People have voted for politics that they actually want - not the politics the media tells them that they should want.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 3h3 hours ago The liberal era is over. It's done. We have to protect what we can. But we have to realise, we won't be able to protect everything.
Early morning hyperbole?
Doubtless he's over compensating slightly for having so strongly backed Hillary. But it's a fair analysis. If you get two Black Swans in four months it's fair to ask if the Swans are really black.
Maybe one way of viewing the result of the election is like this: one candidate described 25% of the population as deplorable, the other didn't. The latter won the election.
Trump proves as bad as his campaign rhetoric suggests and does some of the things he says. An emboldened Putin takes areas he wants and turns a few other neighbouring states into vassals. Meanwhile, race riots erupt across the US.
Will it happen? Probably not. Might it happen? Yes.
What would the affect of this be on European countries and the EU itself? Would it divide the EU or actually force it together?
We are in a flood of anti system, anti establishmentarionism and that is what has driven Brexit and Trump. The world will be a different place in 3 1/2 years, but I still do not see Corbyn taking over. But strange things happen!
I don't think it is just that. It's also right-of-centre and anti-immigration. It's white working class who have had enough.
Those who think Corbyn sings the same tune should think again.
It's also patriotic, so an IRA supporting republican isn't really going to appeal.
America turns right - good news for the Tories but great news for Britain - let's hear no more Obamaspeak of our being placed at the back of the queue in terms of negotiating trade deals, etc. Three cheers for the Special Relationship, which hasn't been very special over recent years.
Yep and he has a lot of links over here, excuse the pun.
Ms. Apocalypse, the era of social progress, as you put it, has also given us a country (UK, not US) where 1,400 children were sexually abused and nothing was done for over a decade to avoid upsetting 'cultural sensitivities'.
I'm not saying the general trend isn't positive, or hasn't been for years. But politically correct bullshit has had serious negative consequences for people. But they're white working class people, far from London. And nobody gave a shit, and those who did were intimidated into silence.
Until the political class (this isn't only a Labour problem) recognise this and are determined to do something about it, there's scope for UKIP to rebound (if it can be kept together) because a lot of people feel senior civil servants, politicians, police and media are afraid (or for ideological reasons won't) to tell the truth and to protect them.
Rightly or wrongly, there will be many people waking up this morning scared and feeling less secure.
Not just in America, but also the world.
You can argue they're silly to do so, but it's still the case.
At the very least, Trump needs to reign in some of his campaign rhetoric.
+ 1. Trump has made extraordinarily divisive comments regarding ethnic minorities and women. Many, across the world (including myself) will be thinking to what extent do all those who voted for Trump agree with those statements, and to what extent will the lives of now vulnerable demographics be affected in the US? Then there the implications in terms of international relations, and how that may affect us and other countries.
Not everyone is a right-winger desperate for the most right-wing government possible.
We just have to hope that you don't come.
Don't worry, I won't be heading to the US anytime soon! I will be feeling very sorry for my relatives which live there though.
EDIT: From her twitter, it looks like Katie Hopkins soon be going to America though!
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton. Until actual votes are counted and different demographics watched it's impossible to call something no matter how many people shouting on Twitter tell you otherwise.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
Well done, @JennyFreeman. Your posts overnight helped me keep my nerve and stopped me losing a pile of money.
Looks like Plato had a point after all, a few apologies and a lot less abuse from all sides would be sensible.
Probably ought to start pondering Corbyn a bit more seriously, I mean the polls are bad for him, but pollsters are not exactly doing a great job right now.
Pundits, pollsters, forecasters, journalists, talking heads, think tank wonks, and all the other know-it-alls who fill the airwaves and newspapers should reflect on their job sand whether another line of employment might better serve them.
Will 619 do an IOS?
Politics is shifting rightwards. Pretty certain Corbyns actually numbers will be as poor as they look.
As with others I wouldn't characterise this as shifting 'rightwards', indeed the people Trump won over are economic 'lefties'. His platform against trade which won over the rustbelt was not much different from Sanders. The pushback is against neoliberal economics/globalisation, championed by the traditional right, and which many on the far left are also against. There is also an aspect of social conservatism. So it would be better to characterise this as a lurch to the left economically and a lurch to the right socially.
As others have said, it's beyond perplexing that Establishment clever dicks over the pond apparently learned nothing from Brexit.
And then the same issues slapped them in the face with a wet haddock last night. I've CNN on in the background and the same talking heads who'd no idea what was motivating these oiks yesterday - are now all experts in why it happened.
Yet Trump's economic policy, such as it is, which is trickledown on steroids, isn't going to improve the lot of the working, lower middle and middle classes who (and I quite agree with you) have been left behind by economic, social, cultural and political developments in the past 20-30 years any more than there is a coherent argument that Brexit will improve things for the same groups over here.
I get the anger, the frustration and the disillusionment and the desire for "change", I get all of that but it's nothing more than an unfocussed anger. Both May and Trump can talk the talk about speaking for the working classes and wanting to unify the country and all that but in truth they have no solutions and no ideas whatsoever and once that bankruptcy becomes evident, what then ?
You can't run countries or sophisticated economies simply on the basis of being angry or blaming some "liberal metropolitan elite" (whatever than means). I've heard nothing meaningful that will genuinely and permanently improve the economic fortunes of the WWC or even the "squeezed middle".
Looks like Plato had a point after all, a few apologies and a lot less abuse from all sides would be sensible.
Probably ought to start pondering Corbyn a bit more seriously, I mean the polls are bad for him, but pollsters are not exactly doing a great job right now.
Pundits, pollsters, forecasters, journalists, talking heads, think tank wonks, and all the other know-it-alls who fill the airwaves and newspapers should reflect on their job sand whether another line of employment might better serve them.
Will 619 do an IOS?
Politics is shifting rightwards. Pretty certain Corbyns actually numbers will be as poor as they look.
We've Had A Tory Led Government For A While, USA Had LeftY goveRNMENT, We May React In The Opposite Direction. Sounds crazy, but...
A reaction is more likely to be centred on UKIP or some UKIP-successor. Trump and Brexit were values reactions; Corbyn would benefit from a reaction against the economic consensus, as Syriza did. But 2015 proved that the UK is currently bought in to the right-of-centre on that one.
We are in a flood of anti system, anti establishmentarionism and that is what has driven Brexit and Trump. The world will be a different place in 3 1/2 years, but I still do not see Corbyn taking over. But strange things happen!
I don't think it is just that. It's also right-of-centre and anti-immigration. It's white working class who have had enough.
Those who think Corbyn sings the same tune should think again.
It's also patriotic, so an IRA supporting republican isn't really going to appeal.
It might not be Corbyn. As I've said (perhaps too often) earlier on, I think Corbyn sees his role as changing the Labour party into a 'true' left-wing party. Once that is complete - or near then - he'll step down and a carefully-nurtured fellow traveller with less baggage will take his place. What we have seen over the last 18 months is a battle for the Labour party's soul, and the centrists have been trounced.
Having said that, it is possible for Corbyn to win in his own right.
We are in a flood of anti system, anti establishmentarionism and that is what has driven Brexit and Trump. The world will be a different place in 3 1/2 years, but I still do not see Corbyn taking over. But strange things happen!
I don't think it is just that. It's also right-of-centre and anti-immigration. It's white working class who have had enough.
Those who think Corbyn sings the same tune should think again.
But could we have been looking at President Sanders this morning? It is not impossible.
Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Plato went all wobbly wobbly didn't she and went for a narrow Cliton win?
I confirmed my opinion of months on Trump winning as a certainty the other week when that Jonah ,McTernan, went across to campaign for Hilary. That was the coup de grace for her.
And Kezia Dugdale going to the USA to campaign for her.
That is Scottish Labour for you , losers to the end.
Woke up at 6am to the appalling news. We can pray that Trump "moderates" himself in office, but there was very little sign of that on the campaign. A fraudulent, hateful, narcisstic clown is now POTUS-elect.
Batten the hatches.
However he performs, much damage has been done. The rhetoric during the campaign has legitimised the worst kind of anti-democratic, racist and misogynistic instincts.
Western democracy is debauched by this spectacle.
Among the "guilty men" is Clinton who disgracefully treated the Presidency like a family heirloom.
Am on an Iberia plane to Spain, waiting for take off. According to my bag tickets, I am going (to) MAD. Apt, no?
Congratulations to Plato. I do not support the repeated posting of information which, each time I clicked through, turned out to be false or at best misleading.
But I admire your persistence and - occasionally mocked by me and others - channelling of the WWC anger.
Why is everyone calling Clinton a bad loser? What has she said?
They sent everyone home from their gathering saying she would speak in the morning. She has conceded to Trump in a phone call but has not spoken in public
Just imagine for a moment about what Hillary must be thinking. She has endured God knows what from Bill and stood by his side to keep her eyes focussed on one goal: being the first of her sex to be President of the United States of America.
Now she will forever be a footnote. The woman who lost to Donald Trump.
Hard to appear in public when you are processing that. That America hates you more than it hates Donald Trump. That's tough.
TINO? Trump in name only? Will the cynical Trump prevail over the mentally unstable Trump?
So miscalled that one too. Next up, Le Pen for French president? Maybe MrTusk was correct in a non-hyperbolic way. This is the end of Western civilisation as we know it.
Among the "guilty men" is Clinton who disgracefully treated the Presidency like a family heirloom.
I've already heard some idiot talking about Michelle Obama running in 2020. This dynastic approach to politics is part of the problem, Michelle Obama running would be a sign that the political class still doesn't understand.
So only WilliamGlenn, MikeL and MonikerDiCanio predicted the correct result on eve of poll although many of us were on Trump and benefited. Even Plato backed off and refused to make a prediction/back a winner. Yet, overall, I suspect PBers profited simply because it was obvious Trump would win at 2am despite being at 6 on Betfair. Hope everyone got on.
I guessed Trump 275 and Clinton 263 last night. I apologise for underestimating the Donald.
America turns right - good news for the Tories but great news for Britain - let's hear no more Obamaspeak of our being placed at the back of the queue in terms of negotiating trade deals, etc. Three cheers for the Special Relationship, which hasn't been very special over recent years.
Will he be invited here soon I wonder.
Haven't you heard - the UK will be at the back of the queue.
Has NH finished yet? on NYT the gap is 127 votes - not that it matters any more - except for spread betters.
"I can't understand why you Leavers and Trumpers still act like losers when you have won."
I've had a few discussions with my son who's currently working in California. I've admitted to him that if I were American, I'd have probably abstained. He'd be a reluctant, hold-your-nose Clintonite.
That's one of your problems (assuming you're a Hillary supporter) - you believe everyone else is an enemy. Not a winning look.
I admit to voting Leave. It was worth it for the amusement.
Perhaps we should send him to do a trade deal with the US?
Be great if Donald comes to UK and wants Nigel to be first in line , leaves the Tories standing waiting with their tongues out
Loser Eck will be burning with impotent rage this morning. Such a bitter slob.
Not like him to back a bad un, though nice to see he is human and not infallible. He at least is honest to himself. I cannot wait to see the Westminster curs fawning and licking when they scurry over to Washington to beg "The Donald" for some crumbs from the special relationship.
OK Malcolm if you are still here. I have made the screenshot. I placed several bets over a period of time - it wasn't just one. So I've put three screenshots together, and have blanked out reference numbers. I also had the Cruz/Rubio/Bush/Kaine/Pence/Kasich/Ryan options covered, all at very low prices, so lost those. (My early view was that Trump would either win by a decent margin or pull out.) The absolute best result for me would have been a Pence win. If I recall correctly, the average price I got on Trump was 3.34. Is there a way to send another member here an image?
Really? You don't think unfettered immigration and playing soft on hard line Islam hasn't made the world an extremely dangerous place? That's one of the reasons 'we' voted Brexit and Trump.
Interfering in other folks affairs in the middle east created hardline islam. Own it.
I agree. That prick Tony Blair and other liberal metropolitan elites who opened Pandora's box and then flung wide the doors of the western world.
The people have spoken. And we've had enough.
Don't forget those liberal metropolitan pricks GWB & IDS.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 3h3 hours ago The liberal era is over. It's done. We have to protect what we can. But we have to realise, we won't be able to protect everything.
Early morning hyperbole?
Not really, it's true. The era of social progress is over. We now await to see the extent of damage a Trump presidency will cause.
People have voted for politics that they actually want - not the politics the media tells them that they should want.
Well, white America has voted for the politics it wants.
Trump seeems to have made a lot of spending commitments in his speech.
Almost Keynesian in fact.
So he cuts taxes and spends a lot more and where does the money come from - borrowing to support an economy and a country trillions in debt ad deficit ?
It's as bad as Hammond and May's idiotic notions of muscular infrastructure spending. For all the talk of austerity, we still have a huge issue with debt and having to manage that debt but apparently we're no longer interested in financial management.
Good morning all. So after a couple of hours sleep and my morning ablutions, I tuned in to Sky just in time for them to say that Hillary had conceded. Despite knowing it was going to happen, I stood stunned for a moment at what the American voters had actually gone and done.
OK Malcolm if you are still here. I have made the screenshot. I placed several bets over a period of time - it wasn't just one. So I've put three screenshots together, and have blanked out reference numbers. I also had the Cruz/Rubio/Bush/Kaine/Pence/Kasich/Ryan options covered, all at very low prices, so lost those. The absolute best result for me would have been a Pence win. If I recall correctly, the average price I got on Trump was 3.34. Is there a way to send another member here an image?
you can send me a PM and I will be happy to apologise and congratulate you heartily.
OK Malcolm if you are still here. I have made the screenshot. I placed several bets over a period of time - it wasn't just one. So I've put three screenshots together, and have blanked out reference numbers. I also had the Cruz/Rubio/Bush/Kaine/Pence/Kasich/Ryan options covered, all at very low prices, so lost those. (My early view was that Trump would either win by a decent margin or pull out.) The absolute best result for me would have been a Pence win. If I recall correctly, the average price I got on Trump was 3.34. Is there a way to send another member here an image?
Trump proves as bad as his campaign rhetoric suggests and does some of the things he says. An emboldened Putin takes areas he wants and turns a few other neighbouring states into vassals. Meanwhile, race riots erupt across the US.
Will it happen? Probably not. Might it happen? Yes.
What would the affect of this be on European countries and the EU itself? Would it divide the EU or actually force it together?
Arguably, it would strengthen the UK's hand vis-a-vis the EU because they'd need our military and security services more than ever.
Really? You don't think unfettered immigration and playing soft on hard line Islam hasn't made the world an extremely dangerous place? That's one of the reasons 'we' voted Brexit and Trump.
Interfering in other folks affairs in the middle east created hardline islam. Own it.
I agree. That prick Tony Blair and other liberal metropolitan elites who opened Pandora's box and then flung wide the doors of the western world.
The people have spoken. And we've had enough.
Don't forget those liberal metropolitan pricks GWB & IDS.
GWB, IDS and Blair created hardline Islam did they?
IDS became Leader of the Tory Party on 13 September 2011 - two days after the attack that destroyed the Twin Towers.
GWB became POTUS in 2011 long after the rise of Al'Qaeda even if before 9/11.
Al'Qaeda existed well before even Blair came to power too.
As others have said, it's beyond perplexing that Establishment clever dicks over the pond apparently learned nothing from Brexit.
And then the same issues slapped them in the face with a wet haddock last night. I've CNN on in the background and the same talking heads who'd no idea what was motivating these oiks yesterday - are now all experts in why it happened.
Yet Trump's economic policy, such as it is, which is trickledown on steroids, isn't going to improve the lot of the working, lower middle and middle classes who (and I quite agree with you) have been left behind by economic, social, cultural and political developments in the past 20-30 years any more than there is a coherent argument that Brexit will improve things for the same groups over here.
I get the anger, the frustration and the disillusionment and the desire for "change", I get all of that but it's nothing more than an unfocussed anger. Both May and Trump can talk the talk about speaking for the working classes and wanting to unify the country and all that but in truth they have no solutions and no ideas whatsoever and once that bankruptcy becomes evident, what then ?
You can't run countries or sophisticated economies simply on the basis of being angry or blaming some "liberal metropolitan elite" (whatever than means). I've heard nothing meaningful that will genuinely and permanently improve the economic fortunes of the WWC or even the "squeezed middle".
I agree with all that, May and Trump will be wolves in sheeps clothing for the WWC. Lots of flagwaving, but high paid factory jobs are not returning. There will be some hightech, automated factories, but steel and similar? No chance.
OK Malcolm if you are still here. I have made the screenshot. I placed several bets over a period of time - it wasn't just one. So I've put three screenshots together, and have blanked out reference numbers. I also had the Cruz/Rubio/Bush/Kaine/Pence/Kasich/Ryan options covered, all at very low prices, so lost those. The absolute best result for me would have been a Pence win. If I recall correctly, the average price I got on Trump was 3.34. Is there a way to send another member here an image?
you can send me a PM and I will be happy to apologise and congratulate you heartily.
OK Malcolm if you are still here. I have made the screenshot. I placed several bets over a period of time - it wasn't just one. So I've put three screenshots together, and have blanked out reference numbers. I also had the Cruz/Rubio/Bush/Kaine/Pence/Kasich/Ryan options covered, all at very low prices, so lost those. (My early view was that Trump would either win by a decent margin or pull out.) The absolute best result for me would have been a Pence win. If I recall correctly, the average price I got on Trump was 3.34. Is there a way to send another member here an image?
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Now she will forever be a footnote. The woman who lost to Donald Trump.
Hard to appear in public when you are processing that. That America hates you more than it hates Donald Trump. That's tough.
If I were a gambler, I'd put money on Labour leading in the polls next year (if the odds were good enough!), and I certainly think it's possible for them to win in 2020.
On the other hand, if May successfully negotiates the hurricanes swirling around her and leaves the country in a more prosperous and settled state, then she'll have been a better PM than even Thatcher. Early signs are distinctly mixed.
There are also opportunities for the Lib Dems, if Farron can grasp them. And that's sadly a big conditional.
You've got the wrong Mike I think.
Three cheers for the Special Relationship, which hasn't been very special over recent years.
clinton 46.5% 1,299,020
trump 45.7% 1,276,714
johnson 3.9% 108,184
stein 1.3% 35,501
Probably the large progressive liberal sections there?
Clearly the Dems need a candidate like urquhart.
Those who think Corbyn sings the same tune should think again.
Trump proves as bad as his campaign rhetoric suggests and does some of the things he says. An emboldened Putin takes areas he wants and turns a few other neighbouring states into vassals. Meanwhile, race riots erupt across the US.
Will it happen? Probably not. Might it happen? Yes.
What would the affect of this be on European countries and the EU itself? Would it divide the EU or actually force it together?
The IN-OH-PA belt took a lot of German settlers.
I'm not saying the general trend isn't positive, or hasn't been for years. But politically correct bullshit has had serious negative consequences for people. But they're white working class people, far from London. And nobody gave a shit, and those who did were intimidated into silence.
Until the political class (this isn't only a Labour problem) recognise this and are determined to do something about it, there's scope for UKIP to rebound (if it can be kept together) because a lot of people feel senior civil servants, politicians, police and media are afraid (or for ideological reasons won't) to tell the truth and to protect them.
I get the anger, the frustration and the disillusionment and the desire for "change", I get all of that but it's nothing more than an unfocussed anger. Both May and Trump can talk the talk about speaking for the working classes and wanting to unify the country and all that but in truth they have no solutions and no ideas whatsoever and once that bankruptcy becomes evident, what then ?
You can't run countries or sophisticated economies simply on the basis of being angry or blaming some "liberal metropolitan elite" (whatever than means). I've heard nothing meaningful that will genuinely and permanently improve the economic fortunes of the WWC or even the "squeezed middle".
Discuss.
lol. Just kidding. I'm off to bed.
Le Pen is 40% behind Juppe.
Oh, and Clinton still won the popular vote.
Having said that, it is possible for Corbyn to win in his own right.
When's the French one?
Woke up at 6am to the appalling news.
We can pray that Trump "moderates" himself in office, but there was very little sign of that on the campaign. A fraudulent, hateful, narcisstic clown is now POTUS-elect.
Batten the hatches.
However he performs, much damage has been done. The rhetoric during the campaign has legitimised the worst kind of anti-democratic, racist and misogynistic instincts.
Western democracy is debauched by this spectacle.
Among the "guilty men" is Clinton who disgracefully treated the Presidency like a family heirloom.
Am on an Iberia plane to Spain, waiting for take off. According to my bag tickets, I am going (to) MAD. Apt, no?
Congratulations to Plato.
I do not support the repeated posting of information which, each time I clicked through, turned out to be false or at best misleading.
But I admire your persistence and - occasionally mocked by me and others - channelling of the WWC anger.
Confirmed
Donald Trump now becomes 45th president of the United States.
Now
HRC 218.
Trump 278
So miscalled that one too. Next up, Le Pen for French president? Maybe MrTusk was correct in a non-hyperbolic way. This is the end of Western civilisation as we know it.
but the LR primary is just 10 days away
Has NH finished yet? on NYT the gap is 127 votes - not that it matters any more - except for spread betters.
Le Pen may not be favourite, but Trump (and to a much lesser extent Brexit) legitimises a vote for her.
With a gun to my head, I do not think she will win. But it must now be considered distinctly possible.
"I can't understand why you Leavers and Trumpers still act like losers when you have won."
I've had a few discussions with my son who's currently working in California. I've admitted to him that if I were American, I'd have probably abstained. He'd be a reluctant, hold-your-nose Clintonite.
That's one of your problems (assuming you're a Hillary supporter) - you believe everyone else is an enemy. Not a winning look.
I admit to voting Leave. It was worth it for the amusement.
Vive Le Lincolnshire Libre!
I cannot wait to see the Westminster curs fawning and licking when they scurry over to Washington to beg "The Donald" for some crumbs from the special relationship.
So he cuts taxes and spends a lot more and where does the money come from - borrowing to support an economy and a country trillions in debt ad deficit ?
It's as bad as Hammond and May's idiotic notions of muscular infrastructure spending. For all the talk of austerity, we still have a huge issue with debt and having to manage that debt but apparently we're no longer interested in financial management.
Has Canada started to build a wall yet?
I think the French system makes it very hard for Le Pen to win.
Enjoy your winnings, sir!
IDS became Leader of the Tory Party on 13 September 2011 - two days after the attack that destroyed the Twin Towers.
GWB became POTUS in 2011 long after the rise of Al'Qaeda even if before 9/11.
Al'Qaeda existed well before even Blair came to power too.
Polls suggest Juppe 38%, Sarkozy 30% in the first round, with Juppe picking up the bulk of the transfers and leading by about 20% in the second.
And because, in a very pro-European country like Spain, the connection between Brexit and whatever the Spanish equiv of WWC is not there.
But you can see a direct line between - philosophically - between Trump and Le Pen.
They all have the FN in the 28-30% range and have done for three years.