Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinking
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!
You're not really going with Putin are you?
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.
Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinking
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!
You're not really going with Putin are you?
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.
Ok then.
Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?
So the US establishment have now learnt what the British establishment learnt in June:
working class votes are important
They are important in binary races. Under our electoral system, though, they do not matter. When 37% puts you in government the working class can safely be ignored.
Trump is currently on 48.0% in the popular vote. It's possible he could end up with less than the 47.2% Romney polled in 2012 when all the votes are counted.
Trump is currently on 48.0% in the popular vote. It's possible he could end up with less than the 47.2% Romney polled in 2012 when all the votes are counted.
Unlikely and of course Johnson and Stein took significant numbers of votes, eating into both Trump and Clinton's total. Clinton is already exactly on the 47.2% Romney got
Clinton's contribution to her own downfall was large. The email server was a massive target she hung around her own neck, and the emails were ammunition her opponents could fling at her.
Having said that, I doubt it'll lead to any improved security within government. It'll still go on, as in the minds of too many people, security gets in the way.
I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
Florida. The huge turnaround in the vote there made @rcs1000 completely reverse his position
Florida was the Sunderland moment, what's the Newcastle confirmation it was not a one off?
That Virginia for a long time was too close to call with Trump in the lead.
For me it was time to call it (and I did) when Ohio came in. Not so much as he won but the scale of the win. It was inevitable that he would clean up the mid West after that which was going to win it for him.
Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinking
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!
You're not really going with Putin are you?
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.
Ok then.
Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?
We are not to know. If they did, it's surely the ugliness they exposed that's to blame, rather than the messenger.
Trump calling out Giuliani, Huckabee and Carson for thanks, I assume no mention of Bush, Rubio or Kasich or Ryan, they are as big losers as Hillary this morning
Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinking
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!
You're not really going with Putin are you?
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.
Ok then.
Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?
We are not to know. If they did, it's surely the ugliness they exposed that's to blame, rather than the messenger.
That's wrong. No-one could withstand that much accountancy of their affairs, and especially misreporting of it.
I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retweeting and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)
She called that well wrong, though there will be a queue of the turkeys kissing his butt and hoping he does not hold a grudge. Saint Teresa will be among the vvultures kissing butt for sure.
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.
I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.
I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.
The end of Obamacare, climate change.......? What else?
Clinton's contribution to her own downfall was large. The email server was a massive target she hung around her own neck, and the emails were ammunition her opponents could fling at her.
Having said that, I doubt it'll lead to any improved security within government. It'll still go on, as in the minds of too many people, security gets in the way.
True enough. Like any procedure, people get irritated if it lessens their convenience.
Andrew Neil is surely another winner. I think there is finally hope for the BBC coverage of elections once again. Goodbye Dimbleby and thanks for all the platitudes.
Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinking
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!
You're not really going with Putin are you?
Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.
Ok then.
Are you saying Wikileaks did not have an influence on the election?
We are not to know. If they did, it's surely the ugliness they exposed that's to blame, rather than the messenger.
What Wikileaks handed to us was the red pill. We've got to see all the ugly duplicity and collusion amongst the rich and powerful. And to see what they really think of us.
After 55k emails - I can't think of a single one that was concerned with helping the people - it was all about manipulation, triangulation and grifting. It's lanced a massive boil and it'll take a long time for the hard lessons/ruined reputations to be forgotten.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.
This, I think Sanders would have played fine in the rustbelt.
Andrew Neil is surely another winner. I think there is finally hope for the BBC coverage of elections once again. Goodbye Dimbleby and thanks for all the platitudes.
I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retweeting and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
Did Stein and Johnson get Secret Service protection? How serious a candidate do you have to be to get them assigned to you?
I read a piece the other day that Trump wears a bullet proof vest under his shirt now. What a massive change his life has undergone. From feted by A-Listers to hated by all but a tiny handful. Had massive abuse, smears and personal abuse as if he wasn't even human being.
And bizarrely - moving into the White House will be a serious step-down accommodation wise
So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)
She called that well wrong, though there will be a queue of the turkeys kissing his butt and hoping he does not hold a grudge. Saint Teresa will be among the vvultures kissing butt for sure.
GodDamn succesful Outsiders, Making People Think it's Safe To Criticise Foreign Candidates.
I lurched off to bed last night with young Mr Smithson intoning that 'a swing is a swing' and 'it's all over' then arose to this. One consolation though: it makes me feel better about Brexit. We're now not the only country capable of being seismically reckless with our own good standing.
I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.
Sorry no
As someone who really did not give a shit either way as commonly stated on this forum
Plato got a avalanche of abuse here. An absolute Avalanche....Just go back and read some of the terrible things that were said about her. You should be absolutely fucking ashamed of this and hang you collected heads. All of you....
Plato can stand up for herself as we all very well know but the treatment that certain posters gave to her over many months just because she researched and posted alternatives were nothing short of disgraceful.
Well done ms Plato .
I Should have said this before I did not and I include myself in the above shame as a consequence.
Total disaster for the Dems. Net gain of 1 in the Senate but still Republican, net gain of 5 in the House, still Republican, a chance to rebalance the Supreme Court for a generation and a reworking of the US Presidential map that opens up so many more opportunities for Republican candidates to win. Kasich surely will be a very strong candidate in 4 years time if the Donald has had enough.
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Having said that, I doubt it'll lead to any improved security within government. It'll still go on, as in the minds of too many people, security gets in the way.
calm in the face of fire throughout the campaign
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)
That was an awful speech.
Gingrich - Secretary of State
Shattering.
America enters completely uncharted waters.
If he gave the full Daveblairobamite spiel, wouldn't that slickness just be more of the same?
After 55k emails - I can't think of a single one that was concerned with helping the people - it was all about manipulation, triangulation and grifting. It's lanced a massive boil and it'll take a long time for the hard lessons/ruined reputations to be forgotten.
Drain The Swamp was spot on.
" you cant always get what you want "
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
Polling and projection analysis and 538 are all finished.
But who cares while we watch in fear to see if Congress can control him.
Well done Trumpers, time to regroup..
Bloody hell. Didn't think this'd happen.
Plato = Cassandra, the seer of Troy whose prophecies came true but were never believed.
And bizarrely - moving into the White House will be a serious step-down accommodation wise
Orders more popcorn!!
Congratulations Plato.
As someone who really did not give a shit either way as commonly stated on this forum
Plato got a avalanche of abuse here. An absolute Avalanche....Just go back and read some of the terrible things that were said about her. You should be absolutely fucking ashamed of this and hang you collected heads. All of you....
Plato can stand up for herself as we all very well know but the treatment that certain posters gave to her over many months just because she researched and posted alternatives were nothing short of disgraceful.
Well done ms Plato .
I Should have said this before I did not and I include myself in the above shame as a consequence.