I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.
Sorry no
As someone who really did not give a shit either way as commonly stated on this forum
Plato got a avalanche of abuse here. An absolute Avalanche....Just go back and read some of the terrible things that were said about her. You should be absolutely fucking ashamed of this and hang you collected heads. All of you....
Plato can stand up for herself as we all very well know but the treatment that certain posters gave to her over many months just because she researched and posted alternatives were nothing short of disgraceful.
Well done ms Plato .
I Should have said this before I did not and I include myself in the above shame as a consequence.
Marijuana legalisation in various states -- either medical or recreational -- may spread here. More importantly, it may spur further research by the drug companies, who together with the agribusinesses will soon dominate the trade.
it was pretty clear on 24th June that Trump would win it. I could see the juggernaut steaming inevitably towards us just as I could before the referendum. I didn't want to believe it, but I knew it would happen. Like Jonathan, heart and head one way, but my gut the other.
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
I lurched off to bed last night with young Mr Smithson intoning that 'a swing is a swing' and 'it's all over' then arose to this. One consolation though: it makes me feel better about Brexit. We're now not the only country capable of being seismically reckless with our own good standing.
Well done. You show, yet again, why you shouldn't be let anywhere near voters.
I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.
Sorry no
As someone who really did not give a shit either way as commonly stated on this forum
Plato got a avalanche of abuse here. An absolute Avalanche....Just go back and read some of the terrible things that were said about her. You should be absolutely fucking ashamed of this and hang you collected heads. All of you....
Plato can stand up for herself as we all very well know but the treatment that certain posters gave to her over many months just because she researched and posted alternatives were nothing short of disgraceful.
Well done ms Plato .
I Should have said this before I did not and I include myself in the above shame as a consequence.
I've already congratulated her. But to some extent, what she received was what she was giving out, especially early on.
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
Please Jack: even if your ARSE has to leave, please stick around. There's still plenty of room on the field for the rest of you.
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.
The end of Obamacare, climate change.......? What else?
Dunno. The pundits will be scrabbling through Trump speeches but on most issues, he has faced both ways or just said he'd get the best people on it. More worrying is his isolationism -- or his long-held conviction (he's been saying it for decades) that the rest of the world gets a free ride on America.
Total disaster for the Dems. Net gain of 1 in the Senate but still Republican, net gain of 5 in the House, still Republican, a chance to rebalance the Supreme Court for a generation and a reworking of the US Presidential map that opens up so many more opportunities for Republican candidates to win. Kasich surely will be a very strong candidate in 4 years time if the Donald has had enough.
Really quite an amazingly bad night for them. And it's not even as though it was just Dems who thought they'd win, plenty of republicans too.
Expect to see Canada feted as home of hip young liberalism - though they tend to forget that was afree a decade of tory government.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton. Until actual votes are counted and different demographics watched it's impossible to call something no matter how many people shouting on Twitter tell you otherwise.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Or the ones she threw.
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...
Some people call unsubstantiated accusations "smears"
Okay: she repeatedly brought my 'illness' up in conversation and saying that I'd changed. It was bemusing, but also wrong and annoying. It was not just once, but repeatedly.
Total disaster for the Dems. Net gain of 1 in the Senate but still Republican, net gain of 5 in the House, still Republican, a chance to rebalance the Supreme Court for a generation and a reworking of the US Presidential map that opens up so many more opportunities for Republican candidates to win. Kasich surely will be a very strong candidate in 4 years time if the Donald has had enough.
If Trump bows out it will be Pence not Kasich, the Bush/Kasich wing of the GOP was as badly beaten last night as Hillary
I didn't join in the avalanche of abuse because I don't have a monopoly of marbles myself. I also believe Trump won't be as bad as many think. The Mexican wall was clearly an exaggeration and I suspect he'll tone down a lot of the rhetoric now - because that's all it was.
Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton. Until actual votes are counted and different demographics watched it's impossible to call something no matter how many people shouting on Twitter tell you otherwise.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
The LA Times poll was nonsense and Silver was right to exclude. It predicted Trump winning the PV by 3-4 points whereas the most likely finish will be Clinton winning 0-1.
Why does everyone think Trump is going to summon the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse? Yes, he is a grotesque character on many levels. But he surrounded himself with people who got the job done for him. If he has the ability to surround himself with similarly smart folk to run America - he could yet be a very good President.
If he doesn't, he will lose the House and the Senate by 2018 and be a one-term dud.
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
Well it has had a good run but in the present wave of nationalism and anti globalisation even the Arse must be finding it difficult to catch up!
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
Nate is completely vindicated.
He was basically right (25-33% chance of a trump victory) - and for the right reasons (polling MOE/ uncertainty) - although the LA times episode wasn't his finest hour.
That black Trump voter in Ohio was pretty much the story of the election.
Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Or the ones she threw.
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...
Usual bile from you, show us your proof or just crawl away.
Morning ELIZA. Hope you're well.
See my post a couple of minutes ago.
WEll if that was the case it was wrong , but she received torents of abuse and has been vindicated so still stands that it was very nasty and just because some people did not like to hear her opinion. Sadly it is not an unknown phenomena on here if you are not following the herd.
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
I congratulate your ARSE on a fine job in the past but for Trump your ARSE gave a loud Fart of empty air. Good luck on your ARSE's retirement.
What a thoroughly interesting night. 2016 delivers a shock result again.
Where does this leave the UK in terms of Brexit? Assuming Trump is favourable to us, could be a positive thing. I'm sure Europes answer to this as well will be the catastrophic "more Europe" mantra.
Wow, I hadn't realised that the Senate hadn't confirmed a new Justice, so there is a vacancy right now!
I saw mention that two others wanted to retire - guess they won't be now. Trump IIRC published a list of potential candidates a few weeks ago.
Well done Plato. I am not a big better but I did put £50 on Trump well before he won the nomination, a very small consolation. I freely confess I had written it off believing the polls and the media while you kept pointing out the strength of the other voices who were not being heard. And in the end the voices that are not heard prevailed.
Paddy's Clinton payouts will have cost them peanuts compared to the publicity. I stand to be corrected by shadsy but generally the big (can we not say huge any more?) odds-on punters step in late, not months in advance.
Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
I didn't join in the avalanche of abuse because I don't have a monopoly of marbles myself. I also believe Trump won't be as bad as many think. The Mexican wall was clearly an exaggeration and I suspect he'll tone down a lot of the rhetoric now - because that's all it was.
I wish America well.
I was really taken with Scott Adams many months ago - he crystallised what I was thinking on several levels.
For anyone interested - he's just done an intv that some may find interesting.
Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
CUCKOO
Cuckoo? His thoughts sound about right to me. I have relatives in the US (New York, Florida) who are shitting themselves right now. I'm just glad that my mum's Jamaican parents made the choice to come here in the 1950s, rather than America.
Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Or the ones she threw.
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...
Usual bile from you, show us your proof or just crawl away.
Morning ELIZA. Hope you're well.
See my post a couple of minutes ago.
WEll if that was the case it was wrong , but she received torents of abuse and has been vindicated so still stands that it was very nasty and just because some people did not like to hear her opinion. Sadly it is not an unknown phenomena on here if you are not following the herd.
I agree about some of the abuse. My point is that it was hardly all one-way.
And I know all about your last sentence I'm pro-HS2.
Has Britain dodged a bullet by Cameron resigning after (but not because) he called Trump divisive, stupid and wrong?
No. Because politicians are slippery and although awkward in the light of events they can play stuff like that off, call it playing to the home crowd, that sort of thing.
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
Perhaps no ARSE, but do drop by from time to time please.
Mr. L, on flipping states: Sanders came damned close to winning far more early states than he did. Had he done so, he may well have been Trump's opponent.
And Clinton goes down in history as the worst loser in US political history.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
Nate is completely vindicated.
He was basically right (25-33% chance of a trump victory) - and for the right reasons (polling MOE/ uncertainty) - although the LA times episode wasn't his finest hour.
That black Trump voter in Ohio was pretty much the story of the election.
An inconvenient truth.
Nah he's a berk. Even at 5 am he was still predicting better than evens for a Clinton win. He's an idiot.
Trump was always likeliest to win this vote as some of us pointed out.
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
Perhaps no ARSE, but do drop by from time to time please.
+1
JackW is one of the few conservative (?) commentators on here whose posts I read with avid interest.
I didn't join in the avalanche of abuse because I don't have a monopoly of marbles myself. I also believe Trump won't be as bad as many think. The Mexican wall was clearly an exaggeration and I suspect he'll tone down a lot of the rhetoric now - because that's all it was.
I wish America well.
I was really taken with Scott Adams many months ago - he crystallised what I was thinking on several levels.
For anyone interested - he's just done an intv that some may find interesting.
Seeing those silly virtual fireworks on the BBC reminds me that Clinton cancelled hers. You always wonder what is going on inside the campaigns and when she first concluded that she was in serious trouble. I suspect it was sooner than we realised. Bit like some of the constituencies that Milband was visiting in the last few days of 2015.
Well the world just became a more dangerous place and I can see that he will be such a divisive figure in America there will be millions who will be producing a my god what have we done reaction.
The damage he is going to do to that country, one founded by immigrants and later multiculturalism is going to be huge.
"His day one reforms include a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress and a five-year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service." [Telegraph]
What a thoroughly interesting night. 2016 delivers a shock result again.
Where does this leave the UK in terms of Brexit? Assuming Trump is favourable to us, could be a positive thing. I'm sure Europes answer to this as well will be the catastrophic "more Europe" mantra.
It may be the end of the free trade era. Rising rather than falling tarrifs
"His day one reforms include a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress and a five-year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service." [Telegraph]
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A new dawn has broken has it not .....
Firstly. Whilst @Plato is in the house :
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.125828948
One just hopes Trump will take advice while he adjusts to the office. He will have to start delivering reasonably soon.
Oh - and when will he get his Nobel Peace Prize?
Expect to see Canada feted as home of hip young liberalism - though they tend to forget that was afree a decade of tory government.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton. Until actual votes are counted and different demographics watched it's impossible to call something no matter how many people shouting on Twitter tell you otherwise.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
FL
PA
MI
Switch those three and Clinton wins 298-240.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-us-president-nightmare?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Care to take the 'smears' angle back?
See my post a couple of minutes ago.
Discovering what investigations are ongoing into himself?
A round of golf in Scotland?
I didn't join in the avalanche of abuse because I don't have a monopoly of marbles myself. I also believe Trump won't be as bad as many think. The Mexican wall was clearly an exaggeration and I suspect he'll tone down a lot of the rhetoric now - because that's all it was.
I wish America well.
If he doesn't, he will lose the House and the Senate by 2018 and be a one-term dud.
He was basically right (25-33% chance of a trump victory) - and for the right reasons (polling MOE/ uncertainty) - although the LA times episode wasn't his finest hour.
That black Trump voter in Ohio was pretty much the story of the election.
An inconvenient truth.
Trump 47.9%
Clinton 47.3%
http://edition.cnn.com/
So what? And Florida wasn't 1%.
Where does this leave the UK in terms of Brexit? Assuming Trump is favourable to us, could be a positive thing. I'm sure Europes answer to this as well will be the catastrophic "more Europe" mantra.
For anyone interested - he's just done an intv that some may find interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sBO6OppAc
And I know all about your last sentence I'm pro-HS2.
So was the election rigged or not?
#confused
And Clinton goes down in history as the worst loser in US political history.
Trump was always likeliest to win this vote as some of us pointed out.
JackW is one of the few conservative (?) commentators on here whose posts I read with avid interest.
The damage he is going to do to that country, one founded by immigrants and later multiculturalism is going to be huge.
"His day one reforms include a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress and a five-year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service." [Telegraph]
Congress gonna vote for that?