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You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.0
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1996 Clinton wins WV by 15%
2016 Clinton loses WV by 41%
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She can't conceed till she knows what she's conceeding. If she's won the popular vote she's entitled to make a different tone of concession.0
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If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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We forgot that people cannot resist a button marked 'do not press'.0
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I hope she gloats forever - she's earned it.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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and so we enter a new era: the Age of Unenlightenment
Can't think of a single witty remark or humorous comment.0 -
Plato went all wobbly wobbly didn't she and went for a narrow Cliton win?Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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AP says Trump is next POTUS.0
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President-elect Trump. A few hours ago I thought there was basically no prospect of that.0
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The Guardian calls it for Trump.0
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Jacks ARSE Trumped?MrsB said:and so we enter a new era: the Age of Unenlightenment
Can't think of a single witty remark or humorous comment.0 -
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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Oh ffsake Crooked Hillary is going to blow New Hampshire0
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It's official, just had the guardian news app notification. Trump is the next president. We are through the looking glass people!0
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From Wikipedia:IanB2 said:We forgot that people cannot resist a button marked 'do not press'.
The Imp of the Perverse is a metaphor for the urge to do exactly the wrong thing in a given situation for the sole reason that it is possible for wrong to be done. The impulse is compared to an imp (a small demon) which leads an otherwise decent person into mischief.
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L’appel du vide, literally "the call of the void" is a French phrase used to refer to intellectual suicidal thoughts, or the urge to engage in self-destructive (suicidal) behaviors during everyday life. Examples include thinking about swerving in to the opposite lane while driving, or feeling the urge to jump off a cliff edge while standing on it. These thoughts are not accompanied by emotional distress.0 -
Come on Clinton, keep the invoice to SPIN down.0
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Agreed, and I did back Trump. But that was not what Plato was saying. She was right but for the wrong reasons.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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No, she claimed it was true. There is a big difference.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
I had no problem with the obscure news channel clips she posted, they were interesting but the obviously false libellous stuff is what she got really excited about in a wake up steeple manner.0 -
CNN: Trump will be speaking soon.0
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Plato certainly took some flak for defying conventional wisdom, but she stood by her guns and called it right. Respect.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.0 -
How has Arizona not been called yet, its MILES outside the MoE for Hillary to win.0
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BBC news breaking
HRC apparently concedes on phone....
Reported on BBC news live0 -
BBC: Clinton has conceded.0
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Clinton has conceded CNN0
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Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!0 -
Clinton concedes.0
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I would just like to mention that although they are painfully slow at calling anything, CNN's coverage has been brilliantly watchable, thoroughly analytical and professionally done. Beeb watch and learn.0
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She also emitted a lot of flak as well.SimonStClare said:
Plato certainly took some flak for defying conventional wisdom, but she stood by her guns and called it right. Respect.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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CNN flashed up "CLINTON CALLS TRUMP TO CONCEDE ELECTION".
I misread it at first as "Clinton calls for Trump to concede election" - that would have been a serious level of arrogance!!0 -
Marijuana legalisation in various states -- either medical or recreational -- may spread here. More importantly, it may spur further research by the drug companies, who together with the agribusinesses will soon dominate the trade.0
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Donald Trump, the 45th President of the USA!0
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Agreed!numbertwelve said:I would just like to mention that although they are painfully slow at calling anything, CNN's coverage has been brilliantly watchable, thoroughly analytical and professionally done. Beeb watch and learn.
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I thought this might happen.
The right is now in full control of America. Their power is as absolute as you can get in a democracy. They now have to deliver. Look out for what happens when they don't. It's going to get very nasty.0 -
She's certainly not been a good choice as candidate, but these results show a pro-trumpist policy vote (even if they dislike Trump himself) more than anti Hillary. Any mainstream democrat would have lost this. Bernie may have been more competitive but still think he would have lost.ydoethur said:
No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.0 -
Indeed.ydoethur said:
No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.
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I agree, their coverage was far better than the BBC.numbertwelve said:I would just like to mention that although they are painfully slow at calling anything, CNN's coverage has been brilliantly watchable, thoroughly analytical and professionally done. Beeb watch and learn.
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CNN projecting AZ for Trump.. but only at 268 at CNN (they haven't called PA).0
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Given that Obama's legacy will amount to zero you could equally make the case that it was his premature candidacy that set in train the whole process. Clinton should have been the candidate in 2008.ydoethur said:
No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.0 -
What an exciting 7 hours.0
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Nah. To lead you need to serve, to love and to understand your people. Clinton did none of those. To refer to even one American citizen as "deplorable" rules her unfit for any public office in my view.RobD said:0 -
Hillary has called to concede, but didn't have the gumption to stand up in front of her own supporters and say it in public yet.0
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I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
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Clinton has conceded.
Were you up for Trump?
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Not just Hillary's. Remember Trump first had to defeat the scions of the Republican establishment, including Jeb Bush.ydoethur said:
No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.0 -
Trump!!
well.. Pence.0 -
LOLSandpit said:GeoffM said:
4% isn't a proper margin to decide anything.RobD said:
They need to have a second referendum to find out exactly which version of Trump everyone thought they were voting for.
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It is a very protectionalist and isolationist right, not the right of Reagan but rather that of the 1920's.SouthamObserver said:I thought this might happen.
The right is now in full control of America. Their power is as absolute as you can get in a democracy. They now have to deliver. Look out for what happens when they don't. It's going to get very nasty.0 -
Don't know about anyone else but I think it's going to be fascinating to see how much of a popular vote lead Clinton ends up getting.0
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Ms Plato
Step forward and take PB ermine.....
You are Legend.
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US election totals latest
Popular vote Trump 48.1% Clinton 47.2%
Electoral College Trump 268 Clinton 215
http://edition.cnn.com/election
CNN reporting Hillary Clinton just conceded to Donald Trump, looks like Trump is the next US President after another bad night for most pollsters. VP elect Pence now coming up to Trump HQ to introduce Donald Trump
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If Trump wins MI, he will get to 306.0
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Tampa Florida.another_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
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From Speedy on the Maginot line thread:another_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
1.Beware the polls when they get estimated turnout really wrong.
2.The Sunderland moment of the night was Tampa and Virginia.0 -
I bet Pence can't believe it!0
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Florida. The huge turnaround in the vote there made @rcs1000 completely reverse his positionanother_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
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Do you honestly think she would have beaten John McCain? Because I don't - not even with Palin on the ticket.williamglenn said:
Given that Obama's legacy will amount to zero you could equally make the case that it was his premature candidacy that set in train the whole process. Clinton should have been the candidate in 2008.ydoethur said:
No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.0 -
Yep - and it will fail. But it will go down fighting. The US is not going to be a nice place to be for the next few years.foxinsoxuk said:
It is a very protectionalist and isolationist right, not the right of Reagan but rather that of the 1920's.SouthamObserver said:I thought this might happen.
The right is now in full control of America. Their power is as absolute as you can get in a democracy. They now have to deliver. Look out for what happens when they don't. It's going to get very nasty.
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I'm surprised but not entirely shocked. What we must now hope is that this will herald a massive reset of the Political landscape, as Brexit has begun to do here.
Foreign policy, fiscal policy, both should now be up for grabs. Neither have been good for the West during the 'Neo Con' years, the UK included. The carnage in the Middle East is a message in itself.
Hopefully, despite Trump being a terrible candidate, it will drive both parties to re-evaluate their positions and come up with some fresh thinking.0 -
So the US establishment have now learnt what the British establishment learnt in June:
working class votes are important0 -
Well that was the second " where were you when ? " moment of the year. Diana, 9/11, Brexit and now Trump. Two lifetime defining moments in a matter of months. Congratulations again to those that called it correctly. The West is in real trouble.0
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As I've been saying since his re-election. People have been massively underestimating Corbyn: he's only on the leadership ballot as a sop to the left. He won't last a week. The party will desert him. Etc, etc. Heck, I've been guilty of some of those.notme said:
If Corbyn wasnt Corbyn, his ideas could gain traction. Cons shouldnt assume that a far left labour is unelectable.IanB2 said:We forgot that people cannot resist a button marked 'do not press'.
Yet he has survived.
I still wouldn't say he's likely to win, but he's certainly outplayed the rivals in his own party so far.
For the record, I think his main purpose is to change the Labour party so that the leader after him (hopefully more electable) will be running on a leftist platform. But that doesn't mean he won't take any opportunity if it arises.0 -
Yepanother_richard said:So the US establishment have now learnt what the British establishment learnt in June:
working class votes are important0 -
President elect Trump arrives on Trump HQ stage to 'Airforce One' soundtrack accompanied by Melania and his family0
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You're not really going with Putin are you?foxinsoxuk said:
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!0 -
If she'd lost the general in 2008 she wouldn't have been running in 2016.ydoethur said:
Do you honestly think she would have beaten John McCain? Because I don't - not even with Palin on the ticket.williamglenn said:
Given that Obama's legacy will amount to zero you could equally make the case that it was his premature candidacy that set in train the whole process. Clinton should have been the candidate in 2008.ydoethur said:
No.RobD said:You gotta feel sorry for Clinton.
This is very much her fault. If she had taken the hint in 2008 and decided she wasn't able to be President, this whole disaster could have been avoided.
It is her sense of entitlement, her arrogance and her incompetence, backed up by a complacent party in thrall to her self-estimation, that has led to Trump.
Despite what has happened and bearing in mind what I said earlier about her humiliation, she deserves our scorn not our pity.0 -
CNN calls it for Trump too0
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CNN calls PA for Trump0
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PA
Projected for Trump
BBC news breaking0 -
Well colour me shocked. 158-3. Didn't expect to wake up to that news.0
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Here he comes. This is going to be yuge.0
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"Donald Trump Elected US President" written at the bottom of the CNN feed.. almost surreal.0
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God he does gracious.0
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Trump congratulates Hillary on a 'hard fought campaign' and says 'we owe her a debt for her service' and for 'America to come together'0
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Trump really is doing the Thatcher style unity speech.0
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Hats off to Plato.0
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Trump says live he has call from HRC conceding
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First indications that Leave was going toanother_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
How many others who turned down Trump must be feeling now! Pence must be in with a decent shot in 2024 if not 2020RobD said:I bet Pence can't believe it!
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At least trump is trying to say the right things0
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He's trying very gamely to drone out the odd calls to lock her up...0
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Why not? There's certainly a point to be made with it.Luckyguy1983 said:
You're not really going with Putin are you?foxinsoxuk said:
Putin's trolls have excelled themselves, though I wonder if even Putin planned for this.Pagan said:
It doesnt matter if what she pasted is nonsense or false, what matters is it is the same thing that those who voted trump were reading and therefore was worth factoring into your thinkingDecrepitJohnL said:
If Plato had not pasted so much nonsense and obviously false reports, people might have taken her more seriously.Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
Off to an LD party meeting tonight, at least we won't just be talking of Brexit!0 -
Trump may just be able to be a good president0
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I confirmed my opinion of months on Trump winning as a certainty the other week when that Jonah ,McTernan, went across to campaign for Hilary. That was the coup de grace for her.Alistair said:
Plato went all wobbly wobbly didn't she and went for a narrow Cliton win?Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
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Florida was the Sunderland moment, what's the Newcastle confirmation it was not a one off?Alistair said:
Florida. The huge turnaround in the vote there made @rcs1000 completely reverse his positionanother_richard said:I don't have the time at present to look through the previous threads so can I ask what was the 'Sunderland moment' and when did it happen ?
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