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Or an Erdogan loyalist put up a fight.Philip_Thompson said:Ambulances at the office of the General Staff indicate it could be terrorism related rather than a coup.
At the moment, we're all speculating but it's perhaps significant that even after yesterday's massacre in France a quick look at Twitter suggests most informed experts are guessing at a coup.0 -
Sky covering it now0
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"Military action taking place outside of chain of command"0
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Mark urban (Newsnight) is retweeting a Turkish twitter account of some media person & they have loads of pictures / footage of the army out in force on the streets.0
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This is starting to feel like a coup. Tanks in the streets, the president overseas. Military showing their power.0
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Sky breaking it at 21:07....only quoting reuters0
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Are you saying their schedules are so stuffed there is no room for Turkey?alex. said:
Sky don't do breaking news once they've got a pre-prepared story to fill the schedules.TwistedFireStopper said:Nothing at all about Turkey on Sky News
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So we can all sleep safe in our beds tonight.YellowSubmarine said:
She was a Navy Reservist.IanB2 said:
Being an MP for Portsmouth, possibly?Jobabob said:
I always thought Penny Mordaunt was something to do with the Navy. No idea where I got that idea from.TwistedFireStopper said:
Mordaunt didn't even know she was responsible for the Fire and Rescue Service when she was at DCLOG. I doubt she'll have a better grasp of the DWP.anotherDave said:
Mordaunt backed Leadsom in the leadership contest.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: ++ NEW APPOINTMENTS ++
Penny Mordaunt Minister of State at DWP
Mike Penning Minister of State at MoD
https://t.co/Z2YGkgKftN0 -
Well, if it is successful, Boris wont have to worry about his colourful poem!0
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If Jack is as reliable on US elections as he was on UK GE2015, I must look ASAP for a bookmaker who'll take bets on individual US states!Jobabob said:
I'd be tempted to give OH to Trump but then both my brother and I lost money last time by under-betting you on the EC vote Jack. You would think we'd learned our lesson!JackW said:
Trump will easily win Missouri - +10-12rcs1000 said:Personal view is that Trump will do very well in the rust belt: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri, Wisconsin, etc.
But that he'll fail in Nevada, and Florida. Given how the Mormons feel about Trump, take the 100-1 on the Republicans to lose Utah.
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Difficult start for May and Johnson to say the least.0
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Sky did just use the words "attempted coup"0
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The FT chap is quoting the Turkish PM saying it is a coup0
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My firm is coming to the end of a contract in Turkey. Couple of payments still due ^^;
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Baptism of fire.AndyJS said:Difficult start for May and Johnson to say the least.
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To be honest a coup might be a good thing in Turkey.0
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Pretty sure IIanB2 said:
Being an MP for Portsmouth, possibly?Jobabob said:
I always thought Penny Mordaunt was something to do with the Navy. No idea where I got that idea from.TwistedFireStopper said:
Mordaunt didn't even know she was responsible for the Fire and Rescue Service when she was at DCLOG. I doubt she'll have a better grasp of the DWP.anotherDave said:
Mordaunt backed Leadsom in the leadership contest.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: ++ NEW APPOINTMENTS ++
Penny Mordaunt Minister of State at DWP
Mike Penning Minister of State at MoD
https://t.co/Z2YGkgKftNPhilip_Thompson said:
I've heard that it is Istanbul, Izmir and Ankara that have been secured by the Gendarme (military police).ydoethur said:
What's puzzling is that Reuter is saying this is in the Turkish capital, which is of course Ankara.Charles said:
Gunfire reportedwasd said:There appears to be something happening in Turkey.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-istanbul-bridges-idUSKCN0ZV2FE
Has one of their writers got muddled, or is there a coup in progress (which is the only explanation I can think of for both cities descending into chaos)?
Sigh. He must be thinking "it's bloody Friday night for gFrancisUrquhart said:So Boris how you liking this cushy foreign secretary job....
He is solid. He actually slightly undercooked the Democratic EC vote last time IIRC but he was very close. He will tell you I'm sure.rural_voter said:
If Jack is as reliable on US elections as he was on UK GE2015, I must look ASAP for a bookmaker who'll take bets on individual US states!Jobabob said:
I'd be tempted to give OH to Trump but then both my brother and I lost money last time by under-betting you on the EC vote Jack. You would think we'd learned our lesson!JackW said:
Trump will easily win Missouri - +10-12rcs1000 said:Personal view is that Trump will do very well in the rust belt: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri, Wisconsin, etc.
But that he'll fail in Nevada, and Florida. Given how the Mormons feel about Trump, take the 100-1 on the Republicans to lose Utah.
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If it is a coup then let's hope it is bloodless. No need for a loss of life.0
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The Proms turning in a great Alexander Nevsky over on BBC40
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As Foreign Secretary Boris does realize that have Turkish ancestry doesn't mean sending in the gun boats to stop them joining the EU ?!? ..
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Bloody hell that jet is low! Why though?MarcKlein said:0 -
Al Jazerra quoting Turkish PM as saying its wrong to call thsi a coup but it it is an attempt by some parts of the military0
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The opposition have the most unenviable position of the lot if it is a coup. Do they support the constitution and by extension Erdogan, who would undoubtedly use a defeated coup as an excuse to further emasculate them, or support the military and look like unprincipled shysters while likely gaining nothing in return?0
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Just switched onto Sky. Still on France.0
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New avatar?TheScreamingEagles said:The FT chap is quoting the Turkish PM saying it is a coup
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Turkey unilaterally accelerating accession process.0
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Because breaking news is boring - I was thinking about the Foreign office earlier today - does Brexit mean that there is going to need to be a big increase in the Foreign office budget. Do we not subcontract a large amount of our embassy/consular work to the EU (or at least do a lot of sharing of buildings etc in smaller countries)? Or do we actually still have a fully functioning operation in countries around the world?0
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Actually even more accurate ....rural_voter said:
If Jack is as reliable on US elections as he was on UK GE2015, I must look ASAP for a bookmaker who'll take bets on individual US states!Jobabob said:
I'd be tempted to give OH to Trump but then both my brother and I lost money last time by under-betting you on the EC vote Jack. You would think we'd learned our lesson!JackW said:
Trump will easily win Missouri - +10-12rcs1000 said:Personal view is that Trump will do very well in the rust belt: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri, Wisconsin, etc.
But that he'll fail in Nevada, and Florida. Given how the Mormons feel about Trump, take the 100-1 on the Republicans to lose Utah.
Clinton wins PA WI NV FL - +5-7 .. Ohio +3-5
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So what happens if there is a stalemate. Some of the generals are loyal to Erdogan, surely they won't direct their units into the coup. If the army is split then this could end very, very badly.0
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So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe0
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They won't admit a military dictatorship, because it wouldn't meet any of the accession criteria, so I'm not sure I agree with you.MaxPB said:
Indeed, if the military are about to oust the AKP then it makes Turkey joining the EU much more likely.Philip_Thompson said:
A coup could make eventual accession more likely not less.nunu said:
So Turkey won't be joining the E.U after all. Lolydoethur said:
That's starting to look like a coup. But for or against Erdogan?Philip_Thompson said:
I've heard that it is Istanbul, Izmir and Ankara that have been secured by the Gendarme (military police).ydoethur said:
What's puzzling is that Reuter is saying this is in the Turkish capital, which is of course Ankara.Charles said:
Gunfire reportedwasd said:There appears to be something happening in Turkey.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-istanbul-bridges-idUSKCN0ZV2FE
Has one of their writers got muddled, or is there a coup in progress (which is the only explanation I can think of for both cities descending into chaos)?
Not that anyone thought they would soon.
(I was going to make jokey post about Turks revolting because they're cross they're not in the EU yet, as was promised by the Leave campaign in the UK.)0 -
Looks like it!ydoethur said:
Are you saying their schedules are so stuffed there is no room for Turkey?alex. said:
Sky don't do breaking news once they've got a pre-prepared story to fill the schedules.TwistedFireStopper said:Nothing at all about Turkey on Sky News
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Coup attempt in Turkey underway?0
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Not sure he mentioned coupsTheScreamingEagles said:So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe
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Ceefax also playing it close - only confirmed the bridges are closed and the rest are 'reports', no official statement yet.0
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Where does this leave NATO?
I guess there's going to be a second COBRA meeting in the space of 24 hours.0 -
CNN are covering
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A coup in a NATO member suffering both IS and Kurdish separatist terror attacks who also host over 2m Syrian refugees.0
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No buttons have been pressed as yet, and the date of button pressing is receding to...., well after New Year. In the absence of button pressing life must go on, no? Make hay whilst the sun shines etc...FrancisUrquhart said:
Did I? And my day to day life is surrounded by people who overwhelmingly voted to remain. I joked on the Friday of spending the day at one of the countries leading unis & expecting to see academics having to be talked down off roofs etc. In fact what I found was disappointment but determination to crack on. And the message has been one of little immediate change & projects that were already agreed going ahead.Monksfield said:
That's because you voted leave dude..FrancisUrquhart said:Is it just me...the media and labour keep pushing this narrative that because of brexit vote we now live in a massively divided nation. I am going to guess if we votes to.remain we wouldn't be hearing this. But on a real world level I can't say my day to day life and my contact with people is any different. My experience is.much more as described by the lady from the economist on Newsnight the other day, most people in Britain were / are somewhere in the middle, have accepted the result & gone back to their normal lives.
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Will it be Isobel Hardman or bunco that delivers the first live report from the scene?0
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Erdogan himself has confirmed it's a military coup.
Information that I'm getting right now is that this is a western backed coup.0 -
This is likely to turn very nasty. Civil war seems possible if the army is divided. It may be Boris is going to be secretly grateful to ISIS for making so many British tourists holiday elsewhere.Speedy said:It official, this is a coup.
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/754045212658368512
BBC still reporting the lorry attack as 'breaking' FFS!!!0 -
Talk of a baptism of fire no tin the job more than 2 days and Theresa May has had to deal with foreign terrorism and now a coup0
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A coup is ( yet another ) major step away from Accession. Another Leave lie shown for what it was.TheScreamingEagles said:So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe
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Usually Turkey goes with stuffing.ydoethur said:
Are you saying their schedules are so stuffed there is no room for Turkey?alex. said:
Sky don't do breaking news once they've got a pre-prepared story to fill the schedules.TwistedFireStopper said:Nothing at all about Turkey on Sky News
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I will ..Jobabob said:He is solid. He actually slightly undercooked the Democratic EC vote last time IIRC but he was very close. He will tell you I'm sure.
In 08 my single error was Missouri Obama +1 and McCain edged it +0.25 and in 12 I handed Romney Florida by +1 and Obama edged it +1
Keeps me honest !! ..
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When I was in Turkey in May - the view was that the top of the army had been purged to stop the coup that everyone I spoke to wanted!!0
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Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
Update - Turkey's PM Binali Yildirim says those responsible for what appears to be an attempted coup "will pay the highest price"
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BBC breaking now0
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How could Leave have known about the coup?YellowSubmarine said:
A coup is ( yet another ) major step away from Accession. Another Leave lie shown for what it was.TheScreamingEagles said:So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe
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The Turkish military about to show Gove and the PLP how a coup is done
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Been is reporting it as a coup (and quoting Turkish PM as saying it will be defeated).0
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BBC: Turkey's PM has denounced an "illegal action" by a military "group", with bridges closed in Istanbul and aircraft flying low over the capital, Ankara.
Binali Yildirim said the military action was not authorised but it was not a coup. He said that the government remained in charge.
There are also reports of gunshots in the capital Ankara.0 -
I have just revised my travel guidance to my daughter. Looks like she'll be holidaying in Clacton.0
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On topic, as Emperor Kahless said Destroying an Empire to win a war is no victory. And ending a battle to save an Empire is no defeat , I do wonder if the Conservative and UNIONIST Party will decide destroying the UK is too high a price for Brexit0
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I'm hearing reports Angela Eagle is responsible and has been planning this coup for 9 months, and Turkey should be worried.0
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They couldn't have. But anyone who reads a Newspaper knows Turkey has been moving away from the Accession criteria not toward them. A coup is part of a clear trend.MP_SE said:
How could Leave have known about the coup?YellowSubmarine said:
A coup is ( yet another ) major step away from Accession. Another Leave lie shown for what it was.TheScreamingEagles said:So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe
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Where from?Speedy said:
The info i'm getting is that this is a NATO backed coup.AndyJS said:Where does this leave NATO?
I guess there's going to be a second COBRA meeting in the space of 24 hours.
Also tanks are on the way to Ankara right now.
And how would Obama suddenly grow the massive pair of cojones required to sponsor a coup in a NATO state?0 -
Rule of the Greek colonels ended: 1974rcs1000 said:
They won't admit a military dictatorship, because it wouldn't meet any of the accession criteria, so I'm not sure I agree with you.MaxPB said:
Indeed, if the military are about to oust the AKP then it makes Turkey joining the EU much more likely.Philip_Thompson said:
A coup could make eventual accession more likely not less.nunu said:
So Turkey won't be joining the E.U after all. Lolydoethur said:
That's starting to look like a coup. But for or against Erdogan?Philip_Thompson said:
I've heard that it is Istanbul, Izmir and Ankara that have been secured by the Gendarme (military police).ydoethur said:
What's puzzling is that Reuter is saying this is in the Turkish capital, which is of course Ankara.Charles said:
Gunfire reportedwasd said:There appears to be something happening in Turkey.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-istanbul-bridges-idUSKCN0ZV2FE
Has one of their writers got muddled, or is there a coup in progress (which is the only explanation I can think of for both cities descending into chaos)?
Not that anyone thought they would soon.
(I was going to make jokey post about Turks revolting because they're cross they're not in the EU yet, as was promised by the Leave campaign in the UK.)
Greece joined EEC: 1981
Rule of Estado Novo ended: 1974
Portugal joined EEC: 1986
Rule of Franco ended: 1975
Spain joined EEC: 1986
Turkey is clearly far more than a decade away from joining the EU but it may well be that a brief military regime that redirects the country away from its current path (increasingly authoritarian and anti-secular, a sort of quasi-democracy) speeds up the process. Even 5 years of military rule followed by a decade of more-or-less "on-track" democratic rule might be enough to get Turkey's accession back on again.0 -
42nd anniversary of the invasion of Cyprus.0
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Turkish State TV now off the airways.0
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This time last year I was on holiday in Turkey...0
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BTW: "breaking news". Is it not about time the 24 hour news channels start using this term properly??0
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What about PB???MarcKlein said:0 -
I hope this is clean and painless.0
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Turkey is not part of europe, it's in asia.TheScreamingEagles said:So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe
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It remains possible. Interesting that May's first official visit as PM was to Bute House. I wonder how many Brexiteers on here would consider a UK split it a price worth paying?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, as Emperor Kahless said Destroying an Empire to win a war is no victory. And ending a battle to save an Empire is no defeat , I do wonder if the Conservative and UNIONIST Party will decide destroying the UK is too high a price for Brexit
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Airport taken. Military say they've taken back control. Apparently the Vote Leave campaign was even more effective than first thought.0
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Al Jazeera have pictures0
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Some of it is in EuropeSpeedy said:
Turkey is not part of europe, it's in asia.TheScreamingEagles said:So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe
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Part of it is in Europe, it is, quite literally, where East meets WestSpeedy said:
Turkey is not part of europe, it's in asia.TheScreamingEagles said:So Dave was right, Brexit would lead to wars, coups, and instability in Europe
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I agree she's being silly - but that's already a potential threat to a slim majority if she took your advice too literally.john_zims said:@Richard_Tyndall
'It's pretty arrogant for a junior minister to say that he/she won't serve because he^she hasn't been promoted.
That sums up Sourby.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.'
More good news.0 -
And Nicolamarke09 said:Talk of a baptism of fire no tin the job more than 2 days and Theresa May has had to deal with foreign terrorism and now a coup
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