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  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Pulpstar said:

    RNC Rules committee has thrown out the NeverTrump movement rule changes to unbind delegates.

    Trump goes from 1.01 shot to 1.0001 I reckon.

    Well that's stumped Ms Mensch tweets for a bit - who will be her next target?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,855
    To go back to Faisal Islam's question:

    So is there a version of Brexit that David Davis, Fox and Boris can negotiate from 27 EU nations, that Sturgeon & Scotland will accept?

    The answer is no. Not with those three and what they will go for, and thus implicitly what May wants to go for.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,427
    surbiton said:

    My purchase costs have gone up by 10% in the last 3 weeks. From £ 0.75/EUR to £0.84/EUR.

    I have just announced a complete stop to any new spending. I hope to avoid any redundancies. I managed to do that in 2009/2010.

    Since we do not have any UK competitors, all of us are in the same boat. So, let's see, who puts up prices first.

    Some of our prices are going up. The government is switching the money taps on. We're seeing the return of inflation. We're just not used to it. Wages will likely not rise, so we will inflate our way through Brexit by reducing real wages.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    pbr2013 said:

    RobD said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I'm sure Ms Mensch, sitting in New York firing off tweets every thirty seconds, is the ideally-placed investigative journalist to give us the truth.

    Nevertheless, she appears to be reporting the proceedings of the official French inquiry.
    I find it a bit suspicious it is only being reported on that one website.
    Dunno. Just tried to find the original text of the French parliamentary report. Couldn't. Some media coverage (Guardian - "intelligence failures" natch).
    The text is linked in the first paragraph of the report - http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-enq/r3922-t2.asp
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    GeoffM said:

    taffys said:

    Perhaps Americans take the view that banning guns would mean disarming law abiding people whilst the criminals in the country keep all of theirs..

    They do take that view. Bonkers, isn't it?
    Not at all. I'd certainly own firearms if I lived in the US and I would support their wider private ownership and use in other countries too.
    :+1:
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    pbr2013 said:

    I'm sure Ms Mensch, sitting in New York firing off tweets every thirty seconds, is the ideally-placed investigative journalist to give us the truth.

    Nevertheless, she appears to be reporting the proceedings of the official French inquiry.
    Quite.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    PlatoSaid said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I'm sure Ms Mensch, sitting in New York firing off tweets every thirty seconds, is the ideally-placed investigative journalist to give us the truth.

    Nevertheless, she appears to be reporting the proceedings of the official French inquiry.
    Quite.
    The proceedings, but not the findings.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    pbr2013 said:

    The boss of the Fench MI6 equivalent said only a few days ago that France is only a couple of outrages away from civil war. If the reported - and this does seem to be from the official French inquiry - gruesomeness about torture at the Bataclan is true and if people start to think the details have been suppressed it ain't gonna do much for social cohesion there.

    If both of those statements are true - the French intelligence view and the suppression of facts - then I could see a French election where the Left are punished massively by the electorate, and the main beneficiary is Le Pen.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    kle4 said:

    To go back to Faisal Islam's question:

    So is there a version of Brexit that David Davis, Fox and Boris can negotiate from 27 EU nations, that Sturgeon & Scotland will accept?

    The answer is no. Not with those three and what they will go for, and thus implicitly what May wants to go for.

    kle4 said:

    To go back to Faisal Islam's question:

    So is there a version of Brexit that David Davis, Fox and Boris can negotiate from 27 EU nations, that Sturgeon & Scotland will accept?

    The answer is no. Not with those three and what they will go for, and thus implicitly what May wants to go for.

    The answer is no, because Nicola will say its not enough no matter what.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,855
    nunu said:

    kle4 said:

    To go back to Faisal Islam's question:

    So is there a version of Brexit that David Davis, Fox and Boris can negotiate from 27 EU nations, that Sturgeon & Scotland will accept?

    The answer is no. Not with those three and what they will go for, and thus implicitly what May wants to go for.

    kle4 said:

    To go back to Faisal Islam's question:

    So is there a version of Brexit that David Davis, Fox and Boris can negotiate from 27 EU nations, that Sturgeon & Scotland will accept?

    The answer is no. Not with those three and what they will go for, and thus implicitly what May wants to go for.

    The answer is no, because Nicola will say its not enough no matter what.
    Well yeah, that too.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Just been listening to May's comments on Scotland. She doesn't seem like someone very comfortable on camera, she has that habit of speaking too quickly and therefore getting certain words wrong and correcting herself, common when people who are nervous public speakers have to give presentations. I'm not saying it as a criticism, just a little surprised given how many times she has been on camera and given speeches!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-article-50-activated-uk-approach-eu-referendum-scotland-sturgeon-a7138971.html

    Yes. She she has come across a nervous when speaking on camera in the past few weeks.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited July 2016
    Publication on a French government website is a creative way of covering up the facts.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    O/T Test betting - the betfair market hates PK - for some reason they are 2.44 to Englands 2.11...

    Trade heaven.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Publication on a French government website is a creative way of covering up the facts.

    To be fair, it has been published in a incomprehensible dead language... :p

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO_1dEOkb_U
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Hollande — "50 people between life and death":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36799172
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    TGOHF said:

    O/T Test betting - the betfair market hates PK - for some reason they are 2.44 to Englands 2.11...

    Trade heaven.

    2.56 seems an almighty price given where the match is.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,784
    TGOHF said:

    O/T Test betting - the betfair market hates PK - for some reason they are 2.44 to Englands 2.11...

    Trade heaven.

    Yeah that's odd - it's not like the leg-spinner's suddenly going to be easy to play in the 4th innings is it...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Maybe he was 41 not 31 if born in 1975:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36799172
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Lennon said:

    TGOHF said:

    O/T Test betting - the betfair market hates PK - for some reason they are 2.44 to Englands 2.11...

    Trade heaven.

    Yeah that's odd - it's not like the leg-spinner's suddenly going to be easy to play in the 4th innings is it...
    Yes -but in the meantime i'm topping up rather than wondering..
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    Always a bit of a risk backing Pakistan mind ^^;
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    felix said:

    How appalling to have a BoE governor who looks after the money in the BoE! :)

    It feels like people are blaming Mark Carney for the government not having a suitable fiscal and economic policy re Brexit. It isn't up to Carney to make Brexit work, his job is to ensure the safety of the UK banking sector and to keep the taps open until the government come up with policies to take over. He has done both very well without having to resort to interest rate cuts or extra QE just yet. That's a job well done.
    Pre-vote, Carney probably overstepped his remit and strayed into politics

    Additionally in the speech post Brexit he scared the market unnecessarily - around the likelihood of interest rate cuts.

    Overall still a goodish Guv'nor, but not a great one.
    Yes, I'd agree with that. I think the risks of Brexit wrt to monetary policy are lesser than the risk to fiscal policy. The banks have been tested for up to a 30% fall in house prices and the failure of a Lehman sized institution simultaneously. All UK banks passed iirc. People are getting on Carney's back because they disagree with him about the economic implications of Brexit, at least in the short term. You and I both know that the uncertainty caused in the short term is likely to see a slowing of the economy and a reduction in house prices, we both voted to leave anyway. The governor saw the same risks and probably voted to remain. Our priorities for Brexit were different to the governor's, but he wasn't and isn't wrong about the short term economic implications of leaving the EU.
    No, he wasn't wrong in substance, but he got the tone wrong.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    TGOHF said:

    Lennon said:

    TGOHF said:

    O/T Test betting - the betfair market hates PK - for some reason they are 2.44 to Englands 2.11...

    Trade heaven.

    Yeah that's odd - it's not like the leg-spinner's suddenly going to be easy to play in the 4th innings is it...
    Yes -but in the meantime i'm topping up rather than wondering..
    England at evens #bonkers
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    State Polls - Marist/NBC

    Colorado - Clinton 43 .. Trump 35
    Virginia - Clinton 44 .. Trump 35
    North Carolina - Clinton 44 .. Trump 38
    Florida - Clinton 44 .. Trump 37

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-leads-trump-diverse-battleground-states-new-polls-n609551
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Publication on a French government website is a creative way of covering up the facts.

    I think the cover-up claim is based on the information released by the authorities at the time and what is being reported now.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    perdix said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    felix said:

    How appalling to have a BoE governor who looks after the money in the BoE! :)

    It feels like people are blaming Mark Carney for the government not having a suitable fiscal and economic policy re Brexit. It isn't up to Carney to make Brexit work, his job is to ensure the safety of the UK banking sector and to keep the taps open until the government come up with policies to take over. He has done both very well without having to resort to interest rate cuts or extra QE just yet. That's a job well done.
    Pre-vote, Carney probably overstepped his remit and strayed into politics

    Additionally in the speech post Brexit he scared the market unnecessarily - around the likelihood of interest rate cuts.

    Overall still a goodish Guv'nor, but not a great one.
    As Carney said, he had a duty, pre-Brexit vote, to assess the BoE view on the risks to having the vote and actually leaving. These were statements of opinion and not politically motivated. His statement on future interest rate cuts were a signal for the future which were emphasised in the MPC minutes. The headbangers have it in for Carey because he did not deny the truth that uncertainty has a downside even if only temporary.

    He may have said that, but I don't think that was his duty whatsoever.

    It would be fine for him to be having those conversations behind the scenes (and I am sure that he was). No one who is significant in the systemic financial risk learnt anything from his initial speech (pre-Brexit): going public like that could only be political.

    Post the announcement he was right to speak out - but he got the tone wrong (you can see that from the FX/stock market movements during his speech)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sturgeon will negotiate hard, honestly and in earnest over the EU and Brexit then, in the end, stand up at the press conferance and say "Sadly despite this deal that I have negotiated to achieve I cannot in good conscience recommend Scotland Staying part of the UK and so will be moving for a second Independence Referendum"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    From last thread, on Michel Houellebecq's Submission: I would recommend anyone trying to think through the whole LePen, nativism and Muslim issue read this book. Especially if thinking about the prospect of major civil disturbances.

    Disturbing and from a man many consider France's premier enfant terrible, but very thought provoking and highly plausible.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,503
    perdix said:

    pbr2013 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Why targeting Nice for a terrorist attack was not surprising
    The idyllic Mediterranean beach town has a severe problem of Islamist radicalisation"

    http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21702282-idyllic-mediterranean-beach-town-has-severe-problem-islamist-radicalisation-why

    It's ghastly. I used to spend a bit of time in Nice in the 90s. I went back recently and the whole charecter of the place had changed. Walking around you felt like you had to look over your shoulder. And the beurs had a swagger you didn't see in the 90s. Before anyone accuses me of racism, most of my friends there are of Lebanese heritage. We still await news of someone who hasn't been heard of since last night.
    Haven't been to Nice for some years but really liked it and the region. It seems that the Russian mafia has a strong foothold there.

    I have never particularly liked Nice but my daughter and I were driving down that boulevard only 10 days ago. It is beyond sad what has happened. That we mourn - once again - with France is simply too much to bear.

    Andrew Hussey's book "The French Intifada" is a very good account of the relationship between France and its Arab minorities from Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco.

    Whatever the reasons for immigration from those countries from the 1960's onwards - and however well the first generation may have integrated - given the winds of Islamist change and how the second/third generations are reacting - it is beyond stupid to continue to permit large scale immigration from an unstable and violence-ridden region of the world, something Mrs Merkel (and others) might do well to realise.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Alistair said:

    Sturgeon will negotiate hard, honestly and in earnest over the EU and Brexit then, in the end, stand up at the press conferance and say "Sadly despite this deal that I have negotiated to achieve I cannot in good conscience recommend Scotland Staying part of the UK and so will be moving for a second Independence Referendum"

    Correct - whatever the deal is.

    But she will be the one walking away - not May.

    She will be the quitter - the one without the stomach for negociating.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mr. G, Scotland's getting almost all income tax setting, though [I agree it's bonkers that one aspect, forget which, might be the personal allowance, isn't included given the rest is]. Also, the trend is your friend, within UK devolution. In Euroland, power only flows one way.

    I do respect your opinion, though I don't share it.

    MD , it is all just bits and pieces and does not allow you to actually do anything or change anything , just the minimum they can give without actually transferring any real power.
    Isn't health run entirely from Holyrood, for instance?
    Yes but with budgets allocated by Westminster
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    pbr2013 said:

    surbiton said:

    My purchase costs have gone up by 10% in the last 3 weeks. From £ 0.75/EUR to £0.84/EUR.

    I have just announced a complete stop to any new spending. I hope to avoid any redundancies. I managed to do that in 2009/2010.

    Since we do not have any UK competitors, all of us are in the same boat. So, let's see, who puts up prices first.

    What line of business are you in?
    Sensors in the Automation market.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    PlatoSaid said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RNC Rules committee has thrown out the NeverTrump movement rule changes to unbind delegates.

    Trump goes from 1.01 shot to 1.0001 I reckon.

    Well that's stumped Ms Mensch tweets for a bit - who will be her next target?
    50/1 as next Tory leader on BF (although as a Bagshawe). Maybe this is a combined bet with a divorce and return to UK?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,503

    Publication on a French government website is a creative way of covering up the facts.

    I think the cover-up claim is based on the information released by the authorities at the time and what is being reported now.
    I don't know whether there has been a cover up or not. But if certain details were not released perhaps it was done for the all too human (and understandable) reason of not wanting to cause any more pain to the victims' families.

  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Her point is that all the countries in the UK should agree and one country should not dominate the smaller ones.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Publication on a French government website is a creative way of covering up the facts.

    I think the cover-up claim is based on the information released by the authorities at the time and what is being reported now.
    Well, having scanned the (very long) document, I have found the passage which Ms Mensch refers to (it's about half-way through). It's a question about an unconfirmed report, which M. Christian Sainte, directeur de la police judiciaire à Paris, says he has no evidence to support.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    TGOHF said:

    Alistair said:

    Sturgeon will negotiate hard, honestly and in earnest over the EU and Brexit then, in the end, stand up at the press conferance and say "Sadly despite this deal that I have negotiated to achieve I cannot in good conscience recommend Scotland Staying part of the UK and so will be moving for a second Independence Referendum"

    Correct - whatever the deal is.

    But she will be the one walking away - not May.

    She will be the quitter - the one without the stomach for negociating.
    LOL, beyond parody, what part of "the deal is not good for Scotland" did you miss out there. We know you doff your cap and grovel when instructed what to do , does not mean all Scots are the same.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    David Davis is definitely going to resign at some point. It's how he rolls. Only a matter of time. Wonder what it will be over.

    Surprised he has lasted so long.

    David Davis is going to surprise a lot of people I think. He'll stick with this to the bitter end.

    Brexit is his one and only chance to shape the countries destiny for decades, maybe centuries to come... And he'll be able to do it while Cameron looks on from the sidelines.

    This is an entirely different scenario to when he was the "runt of litter" in Cameron and Osborne's shadow cabinet.

    Boris and Fox may leave but Davis will still be "there" in 2020, IMO.
    Just listened to his "economic case for brexit" speech.

    http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-mp-delivers-speech-on-the-economic-case-for-brexit/

    One point that struck me, was that he thinks the 2017 elections in France and Germany actually help us. As the Brexit deal, and the consequences for French/German exporters, will be a feature in their elections.
    I found myself mulling A50 dates and Theresa's date of early 2017 which would mean that it figured in Dutch, French and German elections.

    I initially felt Q4 2017 would be the likely date because it allows for all the planning and prelims, plus continuity of negotiating partners, but German industry are likely to more effectively press Merkel pre-election (Oct 2017).

    The earlier we go, the longer the press.

    I also think we reached peak-SNP last May when they came up against a unionist vote that was a three-way split.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649

    Publication on a French government website is a creative way of covering up the facts.

    I think the cover-up claim is based on the information released by the authorities at the time and what is being reported now.
    Well, having scanned the (very long) document, I have found the passage which Ms Mensch refers to (it's about half-way through). It's a question about an unconfirmed report, which M. Christian Sainte, directeur de la police judiciaire à Paris, says he has no evidence to support.
    Dur to me. Yes, I see that it is linked to in the Heatstreet report. Skimming it now...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    JackW said:
    Florida is consistently giving Hillary good numbers. Yet, barely 16 years ago, it was a paper-thin swing state as we all know.

    I am not sure why Trump is going for Pence. He would have won Indiana anyway.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016
    Cyclefree said:

    Publication on a French government website is a creative way of covering up the facts.

    I think the cover-up claim is based on the information released by the authorities at the time and what is being reported now.
    I don't know whether there has been a cover up or not. But if certain details were not released perhaps it was done for the all too human (and understandable) reason of not wanting to cause any more pain to the victims' families.
    I'm sure you are right Ms Cyclefree - the testimony by the father of one of the victim in the official report linked below is quite harrowing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,855

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    She has no intention of keeping us in the EU. If that was her intent, it'd be simpler to just resign right now.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655

    PlatoSaid said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RNC Rules committee has thrown out the NeverTrump movement rule changes to unbind delegates.

    Trump goes from 1.01 shot to 1.0001 I reckon.

    Well that's stumped Ms Mensch tweets for a bit - who will be her next target?
    50/1 as next Tory leader on BF (although as a Bagshawe). Maybe this is a combined bet with a divorce and return to UK?
    It's a terrible bet !
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    Pulpstar said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RNC Rules committee has thrown out the NeverTrump movement rule changes to unbind delegates.

    Trump goes from 1.01 shot to 1.0001 I reckon.

    Well that's stumped Ms Mensch tweets for a bit - who will be her next target?
    50/1 as next Tory leader on BF (although as a Bagshawe). Maybe this is a combined bet with a divorce and return to UK?
    It's a terrible bet !
    Agreed. More like 5,000/1.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited July 2016
    One thing which I don't understand about the Nice attack - surely to hire a truck like that you would need an HGV licence, wouldn't you? Yet the murderer is reported to have a had a string of convictions for serious crimes including six-months in prison for a road rage incident.

    Also, can you just hire a truck like that on a credit card? And who would insure this guy?
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649

    From last thread, on Michel Houellebecq's Submission: I would recommend anyone trying to think through the whole LePen, nativism and Muslim issue read this book. Especially if thinking about the prospect of major civil disturbances.

    Disturbing and from a man many consider France's premier enfant terrible, but very thought provoking and highly plausible.

    *Reconstucts my response FPT*

    I was unimpressed by Houellebecq's earlier work. I thought that JG Ballard covered similar ground better in the 70s. But Submission weirded me out a bit. I always thought that a lot of islamism stems from sexual frustration/sadism. Submission, quite powerfully puts the case that the whole point of the whole business is (in the West) the restoration of patriarchy. In its proper sense, as in women and girls being returned to full chattel status, rather than in the Western feminist vision of an abstract tool of oppression. Deeply creepy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    One thing which I don't understand about the Nice attack - surely to hire a truck like that you would need an HGV licence, wouldn't you? Yet the murderer is reported to have a had a string of convictions for serious crimes including six-months in prison for a road rage incident.

    Also, can you just hire a truck like that on a credit card? And who would insure this guy?

    Someone else could have hired it?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    More here:

    According to those who knew the attacker he had only acquired his heavy vehicle licence relatively recently - within the last year to year and a half - as details emerged of the steps he would have had to have taken to hire the vehicle used in the attack.

    Those would have included paying a substantial deposit of around €2,000 suggesting - as French security officials have claimed - a large degree of premeditation.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/bastille-day-truck-driver-was-known-to-police-reports-say

    How the hell did he get that licence given his record?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    surbiton said:

    JackW said:
    Florida is consistently giving Hillary good numbers. Yet, barely 16 years ago, it was a paper-thin swing state as we all know.

    I am not sure why Trump is going for Pence. He would have won Indiana anyway.
    Why's Trump gone for Pence? Hobson's choice. Over the past couple of months a lot of Republicans have publicly ruled themselves out, so presumably others will have done so privately. Pence and, for that matter, Gingrich, are both old enough that career death does not matter. Gingrich could start a fight in a phone box so by a process of elimination, it is Pence.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    French terrorist had just been released from prison.

    Given the Uk report on prisons being turned into madrassas there is an obvious point that needs addressed.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    surbiton said:

    JackW said:
    Florida is consistently giving Hillary good numbers. Yet, barely 16 years ago, it was a paper-thin swing state as we all know.

    I am not sure why Trump is going for Pence. He would have won Indiana anyway.
    Trump is weak with the religious.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    saddened said:

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
    "Sharia" May? What an idiot.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    pbr2013 said:

    From last thread, on Michel Houellebecq's Submission: I would recommend anyone trying to think through the whole LePen, nativism and Muslim issue read this book. Especially if thinking about the prospect of major civil disturbances.

    Disturbing and from a man many consider France's premier enfant terrible, but very thought provoking and highly plausible.

    *Reconstucts my response FPT*

    I was unimpressed by Houellebecq's earlier work. I thought that JG Ballard covered similar ground better in the 70s. But Submission weirded me out a bit. I always thought that a lot of islamism stems from sexual frustration/sadism. Submission, quite powerfully puts the case that the whole point of the whole business is (in the West) the restoration of patriarchy. In its proper sense, as in women and girls being returned to full chattel status, rather than in the Western feminist vision of an abstract tool of oppression. Deeply creepy.
    I think also though there is a theme about the loss of religion in secular France, slow death of Catholicism (and from that the whole of traditional french civilisation), which Houellebecq worries about (at least in this book, through his character). Practicing Muslims have something many French don't, a point in their lives, seems to one of the arguments.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,389

    PlatoSaid said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RNC Rules committee has thrown out the NeverTrump movement rule changes to unbind delegates.

    Trump goes from 1.01 shot to 1.0001 I reckon.

    Well that's stumped Ms Mensch tweets for a bit - who will be her next target?
    50/1 as next Tory leader on BF (although as a Bagshawe). Maybe this is a combined bet with a divorce and return to UK?
    Is there a price for her as next UKIP leader? Though tbf she's probably a bit too flaky and extreme for them.
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    I'm surprised Sir Bill Cash didn't have a "Get out of the EU Plan" ready and waiting. He has been strangely quiet since the referendum.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    pbr2013 said:

    saddened said:

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
    "Sharia" May? What an idiot.
    Look in the mirror.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,920

    I'm surprised Sir Bill Cash didn't have a "Get out of the EU Plan" ready and waiting. He has been strangely quiet since the referendum.

    Isn't the plan:

    1 - Invent a time machine and go back to 1945
    2 - Do everything differently
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    edited July 2016

    I'm surprised Sir Bill Cash didn't have a "Get out of the EU Plan" ready and waiting. He has been strangely quiet since the referendum.

    Sounds like we don't need two whole government departments to worry about this! We'll just ask a back bencher for the plan.....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    Missed this one, Perry has resigned as Rail Minister.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    pbr2013 said:

    saddened said:

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
    "Sharia" May? What an idiot.
    Look in the mirror.
    It doesn't even rhyme with Theresa! :p
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016

    I'm surprised Sir Bill Cash didn't have a "Get out of the EU Plan" ready and waiting. He has been strangely quiet since the referendum.

    The issue with planning is invariant; it applied pre-EUref and afterwards. You can't unilaterally plan for a multilateral process. We are completely one-eyed on this topic.

    We're leaving the EU, yes. Equally, each EU country is relinquishing the UK. That will affect their people, their economy and their national interest in different ways. Some might not care that much (I'm looking at you Malta), others will be profoundly affected.

    We can have a top-level view of our immediate destination (several of which have been beaten to death on here), but it's really about the art of the possible.

    Bottom line for me is internal planning based on WTO rules + Scottish independence. That's our worst case - our stress test if you will.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Alistair said:

    surbiton said:

    JackW said:
    Florida is consistently giving Hillary good numbers. Yet, barely 16 years ago, it was a paper-thin swing state as we all know.

    I am not sure why Trump is going for Pence. He would have won Indiana anyway.
    Trump is weak with the religious.
    I think Trump went with Pence to:

    A. Kill NeverTrump.
    B. Double down on the Rust Belt strategy.

    Anyway Trump has had a good July in the polls so far, in Florida the last 3 credible polls (Non-Rasmussen, Fox, Marist or other partisan ones) have him with leads of 6, 5 and 2 points.
    And Iowa and Maine have moved to a tie for him.

    The only area where Trump is not advancing but going backwards is Colorado.

    If the election was last week Trump would probably have won.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,295
    Pulpstar said:

    Who to believe? The Minister for Brexit, a mere four days ago, wrote that Article 50 should be invoked at around the end of the year, and that "Some of the economic benefits of Brexit will materialise even before the probable formal departure from the EU, in around December 2018."

    I'm baffled as to why the PM appointed DD to this role. Surely Liam Fox would have been a better candidate? He seems much more grounded and realistic.

    I do hope all of May's appointments are because she believes said people are best for the job rather than anything else.........
    I tend to agree that DD will stick around, for having come in from the cold it is clearly his last chance to be at the centre of things. Those who think he will quickly resign or be sacked don't take account of how it must feel to be a key minister, after so long out of favour.

    Boris, on the other hand, will now always be just one gaffe away from finishing his own career.

    And please shed a tear for all those pensioner-Brexit voters who now won't live long enough to see the UK actually outside of the EU.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    pbr2013 said:

    saddened said:

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
    "Sharia" May? What an idiot.
    Look in the mirror.
    Post the full quote that you think entitles you to call her Sharia May. Having read and understood it, it should be no trouble to find. Top tip don't use the Briebart version. Use the real one.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    RobD said:

    pbr2013 said:

    saddened said:

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
    "Sharia" May? What an idiot.
    Look in the mirror.
    It doesn't even rhyme with Theresa! :p
    Wasn't meant to. :p
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016

    Missed this one, Perry has resigned as Rail Minister.

    Everything I read said that May would have terminated her with extreme prejudice. Nothing left but a greasy spot on the Downing Street carpet.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,389
    Well, that's Trump got another set of nutters aboard.

    https://twitter.com/LisaVikingstad/status/753972107080523776
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    More here:

    According to those who knew the attacker he had only acquired his heavy vehicle licence relatively recently - within the last year to year and a half - as details emerged of the steps he would have had to have taken to hire the vehicle used in the attack.

    Those would have included paying a substantial deposit of around €2,000 suggesting - as French security officials have claimed - a large degree of premeditation.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/bastille-day-truck-driver-was-known-to-police-reports-say

    How the hell did he get that licence given his record?

    Bribery?

    In many EU countries bribery is an acceptable way of dealing with issues.
    Although France is not Eastern or Southern Europe, on paper at least.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Pong said:
    A totally unbiased assessment, I hope :)
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016
    Pong said:
    The same guy wrote "Dear Britain, if you stay in the EU, you will ruin our lives. Here is why"

    He'll get over it soon enough.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Well, that's Trump got another set of nutters aboard.

    https://twitter.com/LisaVikingstad/status/753972107080523776

    I don't think it's any secret that Trump isn't the most popular girl at GOP High, and with the Prom coming up, what's a girl to do?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    RobD said:

    Pong said:
    A totally unbiased assessment, I hope :)
    Come now Rob, the Guardian is unswerving in its allegiance to balanced political reporting. How very dare you.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    John_M said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:
    A totally unbiased assessment, I hope :)
    Come now Rob, the guardian is unswerving in its allegiance to balanced political reporting. How very dare you.
    More referring to Pong's assessment of the article, but you have a point. :D
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,295
    taffys said:

    ''I disagree , we have no say in anything at present , the 85% majority in England decide everything and anything that is to happen. We would have much more local say as a small part of a very big union than as a bit part in UK.''

    That may be true of the EU as it stands at the moment, Mr G, but as we know the EU is a moveable feast that is heading towards ever closer union.

    Does taffys never consider how unhappy is the dog that has lost its tail?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355

    More here:

    According to those who knew the attacker he had only acquired his heavy vehicle licence relatively recently - within the last year to year and a half - as details emerged of the steps he would have had to have taken to hire the vehicle used in the attack.

    Those would have included paying a substantial deposit of around €2,000 suggesting - as French security officials have claimed - a large degree of premeditation.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/bastille-day-truck-driver-was-known-to-police-reports-say

    How the hell did he get that licence given his record?

    I expect he took the French equivalent of the HGV test. In the UK I don't think there is anything to stop someone with a non-driving related conviction from getting any sort of driving license. In any case, his only conviction appears to be a minor one.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Speedy said:

    More here:

    According to those who knew the attacker he had only acquired his heavy vehicle licence relatively recently - within the last year to year and a half - as details emerged of the steps he would have had to have taken to hire the vehicle used in the attack.

    Those would have included paying a substantial deposit of around €2,000 suggesting - as French security officials have claimed - a large degree of premeditation.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/bastille-day-truck-driver-was-known-to-police-reports-say

    How the hell did he get that licence given his record?

    Bribery?

    In many EU countries bribery is an acceptable way of dealing with issues.
    Although France is not Eastern or Southern Europe, on paper at least.
    Depends how much credit he had on his card. He wouldn't have to put a pile of crisp 50 Euro notes on the counter. It's not as if he expected to have to pay it back.

    There's also a strong chance the card was bent. If he was a low level criminal bent cards aren't exactly difficult to get.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    TGOHF said:

    French terrorist had just been released from prison.

    Given the Uk report on prisons being turned into madrassas there is an obvious point that needs addressed.

    yes, no more releasing! :)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Trump needs a new logo designer, or it's what he has in mind:

    https://twitter.com/edatpost/status/753983136640405504
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Speedy said:

    Trump needs a new logo designer, or it's what he has in mind:

    https://twitter.com/edatpost/status/753983136640405504

    They are going to TP the white house!
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    saddened said:

    pbr2013 said:

    saddened said:

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
    "Sharia" May? What an idiot.
    Look in the mirror.
    Post the full quote that you think entitles you to call her Sharia May. Having read and understood it, it should be no trouble to find. Top tip don't use the Briebart version. Use the real one.
    She supports its existence, I couldn't give a fuck about platitudes.
  • wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Speedy said:

    Trump needs a new logo designer, or it's what he has in mind:

    https://twitter.com/edatpost/status/753983136640405504

    It'll look good in a while circle on a red banner.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    More here:

    According to those who knew the attacker he had only acquired his heavy vehicle licence relatively recently - within the last year to year and a half - as details emerged of the steps he would have had to have taken to hire the vehicle used in the attack.

    Those would have included paying a substantial deposit of around €2,000 suggesting - as French security officials have claimed - a large degree of premeditation.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/bastille-day-truck-driver-was-known-to-police-reports-say

    How the hell did he get that licence given his record?

    I expect he took the French equivalent of the HGV test. In the UK I don't think there is anything to stop someone with a non-driving related conviction from getting any sort of driving license. In any case, his only conviction appears to be a minor one.
    Telegraph suggests he is a career criminal who was "known to the police for assault with a weapon, domestic violence, threats and robbery"
  • BaskervilleBaskerville Posts: 391

    Pong said:
    The same guy wrote "Dear Britain, if you stay in the EU, you will ruin our lives. Here is why"

    He'll get over it soon enough.
    So, who is the more undiplomatic, Boris or the French Foreign Minister whose first comment was to brand the new British Foreign Secretary a liar?
    This is diplomacy as a substitute for war... don't expect niceties.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "A terrorist who used a hired lorry to kill at least 84 people in a rampage during Bastille Day celebrations in Nice has been named as a convicted criminal well known to the police for armed attacks.
    Tunisian-born Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel - described as a "weird loner" who "became depressed" when his wife left him - was a French passport holder who lived in the Riviera city and was regularly in trouble with the law."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/nice-terror-attack-driver-who-killed-84-on-french-riviera-was-cr/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    saddened said:

    So Sharia May's gambit to keep us in the EU is to make us hostage to the SNP?

    This is going to end well.

    Have you actually read the full quote May, made? Or are you jumping on the same band waggon as the other room temperature IQ, mouth breathers?
    look who has crawled out from under his rock, saddo himself no less
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,389
    Speedy said:

    Trump needs a new logo designer, or it's what he has in mind:

    https://twitter.com/edatpost/status/753983136640405504

    Q. How much is trumppence?
    A. As much as you want it to be dude, as much as you want it to be.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Pong said:
    The same guy wrote "Dear Britain, if you stay in the EU, you will ruin our lives. Here is why"

    He'll get over it soon enough.
    So, who is the more undiplomatic, Boris or the French Foreign Minister whose first comment was to brand the new British Foreign Secretary a liar?
    This is diplomacy as a substitute for war... don't expect niceties.
    And who was booed at at the French embassy yesterday no less.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    TGOHF said:

    French terrorist had just been released from prison.

    Given the Uk report on prisons being turned into madrassas there is an obvious point that needs addressed.

    yes, no more releasing! :)
    He wasn't a terrorist prior to releasing though, so it is tricky..!
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    I,m sure Theresa would love to sign up Scotland to agreeing on whatever Brexit route we go down. but I'm also sure it's just politicking and Nicola is too smart not to see that. T cant let Scotland have a veto on any deals but to openly ignore them would just stoke up the calls for Sindy2. So go have a chat with N. and when it almost certainly gets nowhere you say you tried your best and if she has levered a couple of percent from the Sindy YES column it's mission accomplished.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,718
    May suggests no Article 50 until a deal regarding Scotland can done, maybe some form of EFTA plus
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    RobD said:

    TGOHF said:

    French terrorist had just been released from prison.

    Given the Uk report on prisons being turned into madrassas there is an obvious point that needs addressed.

    yes, no more releasing! :)
    He wasn't a terrorist prior to releasing though, so it is tricky..!
    Donald wouldn't find it tricky!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,718
    Speedy said:

    Alistair said:

    surbiton said:

    JackW said:
    Florida is consistently giving Hillary good numbers. Yet, barely 16 years ago, it was a paper-thin swing state as we all know.

    I am not sure why Trump is going for Pence. He would have won Indiana anyway.
    Trump is weak with the religious.
    I think Trump went with Pence to:

    A. Kill NeverTrump.
    B. Double down on the Rust Belt strategy.

    Anyway Trump has had a good July in the polls so far, in Florida the last 3 credible polls (Non-Rasmussen, Fox, Marist or other partisan ones) have him with leads of 6, 5 and 2 points.
    And Iowa and Maine have moved to a tie for him.

    The only area where Trump is not advancing but going backwards is Colorado.

    If the election was last week Trump would probably have won.
    Based on my calculations on present polling Hillary would win a narrow EC victory, winning Virginia and Colorado but losing Ohio and Florida
  • YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,740
    Surely May's comments today are about making the SNP be the people who walk away from the negotiations rather than giving them a veto. May has said the SNP will need to agree with the initial UK Brexit strategy. But by definition the SNP can never do that. May can't alter the path to a second referendum by she can appear hyper reasonable before it happens. It's a perfectly sensible thing to do.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723

    I,m sure Theresa would love to sign up Scotland to agreeing on whatever Brexit route we go down. but I'm also sure it's just politicking and Nicola is too smart not to see that. T cant let Scotland have a veto on any deals but to openly ignore them would just stoke up the calls for Sindy2. So go have a chat with N. and when it almost certainly gets nowhere you say you tried your best and if she has levered a couple of percent from the Sindy YES column it's mission accomplished.

    Finally an intelligent response. It is pretty obvious that it was just round 1 and a lot of water will go under the bridge before we know who comes out best and whether it ends the union or not. May at least is more intelligent than the Bullingdon duffers and keeps her powder dry rather than running away at the mouth .
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