President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
Obama calls it for Erdogan while Kerry in Russia stays cool. Obama also supported Morsi in Egypt though, he seems to be a bit of a foreign policy fool.
I've always thought he seems a bit of a fool full stop...
If you have to have a scheme for non directors who aren't in the ssas you directors could just join too pay the phased bare minimums and then carry on with the ssas regardless for main provision. The key though is you are untypical of the swathe of employers now staging and who mainly have shell stakeholders if they had need if anything at all. The tiny firms are ok too as I've defined them and Richard t shows.
Paying in to a scheme rather than opting-out would be absurdly burdensome in terms of the admin required.
Sure, tiny firms with one employee-director are fine. But not tiny firms (of which there are many, especially hi-tech start-ups) with two or three employee-directors. That was my simple point, which Baroness Altman didn't bother to respond to. So good riddance that she's gone.
Hang on, perhaps your letter worked because that's exactly the exemption which came in in April this year. I can't link to the gov site which consulted on this in jan and changed it from April. You may be fine from now on.
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
US calling it for Erdogan?
Just posting what is on the Sky live feed, but that is how I read it.
He said "a democratic government" not "the democratic government".
Its a hedge.
In what sense was the government not democratic though? I thought elections in Turkey were OK,despite journalist intimidation? The people, as ever, are the problem.
Hang on, perhaps your letter worked because that's exactly the exemption which came in in April this year. I can't link to the gov site which consulted on this in jan and changed it from April. You may be fine from now on.
Ah, if so I'll forgive her! I'll look it up tomorrow, thanks. Now it's bed time - g'night all.
My ongoing assessment of changing headlined, now the bbchas it as as army group stages coup attempt. Not even the glory of takes power in quotes at least.
If you have to have a scheme for non directors who aren't in the ssas you directors could just join too pay the phased bare minimums and then carry on with the ssas regardless for main provision. The key though is you are untypical of the swathe of employers now staging and who mainly have shell stakeholders if they had need if anything at all. The tiny firms are ok too as I've defined them and Richard t shows.
Paying in to a scheme rather than opting-out would be absurdly burdensome in terms of the admin required.
Sure, tiny firms with one employee-director are fine. But not tiny firms (of which there are many, especially hi-tech start-ups) with two or three employee-directors. That was my simple point, which Baroness Altman didn't bother to respond to. So good riddance that she's gone.
Hang on, perhaps your letter worked because that's exactly the exemption which came in in April this year. I can't link to the gov site which consulted on this in jan and changed it from April. You may be fine from now on.
Do a Google for 'April 2016 director changes for auto enrolment ', you'll see its a lot simpler for you now.
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
Sign erdogan is winning this?
I expect when I wake up in the morning this will be all but over, and a far dry from smooth coups of yesteryear.
They started too early and should have taken control of the internet and shut it down. They also needed to shut down all of the TV outlets but one and spoken with one voice. Stay indoors, we're in control, Erdogan is being given a one way ticket to Qatar.
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
Sign erdogan is winning this?
I expect when I wake up in the morning this will be all but over, and a far dry from smooth coups of yesteryear.
They started too early and should have taken control of the internet and shut it down. They also needed to shut down all of the TV outlets but one and spoken with one voice. Stay indoors, we're in control, Erdogan is being given a one way ticket to Qatar.
What time did it start over there, it must have been after midnight?
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
Sign erdogan is winning this?
I expect when I wake up in the morning this will be all but over, and a far dry from smooth coups of yesteryear.
They started too early and should have taken control of the internet and shut it down. They also needed to shut down all of the TV outlets but one and spoken with one voice. Stay indoors, we're in control, Erdogan is being given a one way ticket to Qatar.
What time did it start over there, it must have been after midnight?
About midnight I think. Last time it happened at 3am when the nation was asleep.
Clearly I don't know anything more about it than anyone else but the general supposedly leading the coup was court martialled earlier this year. So it could be a disgruntled faction within the army?
Sky - US Secretary of State John Kerry has said that he emphasised "absolute support for Turkey's democratically elected, civilian government and democratic institutions" in a phone call with Turkey's Foreign Minister.
If the Obama quote could be read two ways, Kerry quote and who he was saying it to sounds very clear to me.
Clearly I don't know anything more about it than anyone else but the general supposedly leading the coup was court martialled earlier this year. So it could be a disgruntled faction within the army?
I'd assumed the days of army coups In turkey were past, as I think swathes of senior officers had been similarly purged in the last decade, but that's just a vague recollection.
Sky - US Secretary of State John Kerry has said that he emphasised "absolute support for Turkey's democratically elected, civilian government and democratic institutions" in a phone call with Turkey's Foreign Minister.
If the Obama quote could be read two ways, Kerry quote and who he was saying it to sounds very clear to me.
Close to over then and getting in publicly before that's obvious to all.
US Secretary of State John Kerry has said that he emphasised "absolute support for Turkey's democratically elected, civilian government and democratic institutions" in a phone call with Turkey's Foreign Minister.
Looks like Erdogan is going to hold on then. Shame. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to amend Turkey's constitution to remove the military protection for secularism if he does win. Hopefully the people see him for what he is and kick him out, but he has absolute control over the media and locks up dissidents so it isn't going to be easy. I think an assassination would probably have worked better.
Can I suggest that OGH stops writing articles for a while? These days "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet" would probably do with all the weirdness the world is throwing up.
Deary me...what has happened to quality of the BBC...what do they teach them at that college of journalism...from their live feed.
"We're getting images of some injuries among pro-coup protesters on the Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul."
So are they pro coup and protesting, or are they protesting about those who are pro coup.
Seems fairly obviously the first, not really that ambiguous. I was far more annoyed by the BBC report that Erdogan was on "vacation"...
Why would the military shot those supporting the coup? And also, so far all the rest of the coverage has only shown anti-coup public on the streets....so its it the first?
If they are pro-coup, they are surely coup supporters....if they are anti-coup they are protesters.
Well if there is a second referendum, I predict an uphill struggle for remainers.
Why? The lie that Turkey is about to join is now sunk.
That was never taken seriously by most Britons they are not stupid. But if u want a second ref be my guest, although Corbyn might just come out for Leave this time just to piss off the PLP even more. Lol.
Seriously tho asking the electorate again will lead to a resounding defeat for Remain. I would bet big on it.
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
Sign erdogan is winning this?
I expect when I wake up in the morning this will be all but over, and a far dry from smooth coups of yesteryear.
They started too early and should have taken control of the internet and shut it down. They also needed to shut down all of the TV outlets but one and spoken with one voice. Stay indoors, we're in control, Erdogan is being given a one way ticket to Qatar.
What time did it start over there, it must have been after midnight?
About midnight I think. Last time it happened at 3am when the nation was asleep.
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
Sign erdogan is winning this?
I expect when I wake up in the morning this will be all but over, and a far dry from smooth coups of yesteryear.
They started too early and should have taken control of the internet and shut it down. They also needed to shut down all of the TV outlets but one and spoken with one voice. Stay indoors, we're in control, Erdogan is being given a one way ticket to Qatar.
What time did it start over there, it must have been after midnight?
About midnight I think. Last time it happened at 3am when the nation was asleep.
Lol. They are fucking useless as plotters then.
They have been watching the Labour leadership attempted coup and thought it was a blueprint on how to do things.
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
Sign erdogan is winning this?
I expect when I wake up in the morning this will be all but over, and a far dry from smooth coups of yesteryear.
They started too early and should have taken control of the internet and shut it down. They also needed to shut down all of the TV outlets but one and spoken with one voice. Stay indoors, we're in control, Erdogan is being given a one way ticket to Qatar.
What time did it start over there, it must have been after midnight?
About midnight I think. Last time it happened at 3am when the nation was asleep.
Lol. They are fucking useless as plotters then.
They have been watching the Labour leadership attempted coup and thought it was a blueprint on how to do things.
BBC still sounding very pessimistic about Erdogan's chances.
The plotters have lost the airport and the TV station apparently. If that is true then they have lost. They should have shut down the internet and all TV stations from the beginning then gone in air to tell people to stay indoors. Once Erdogan was able to rally his rent-a-mob it was never going to be easy, they could probably still win but it would end up being a very bloody, very messy affair.
BBC still sounding very pessimistic about Erdogan's chances.
The plotters have lost the airport and the TV station apparently. If that is true then they have lost. They should have shut down the internet and all TV stations from the beginning then gone in air to tell people to stay indoors. Once Erdogan was able to rally his rent-a-mob it was never going to be easy, they could probably still win but it would end up being a very bloody, very messy affair.
You wonder how crap their military training is if they can't seize and hold something like a tv station vs a civilian mob.
BBC still sounding very pessimistic about Erdogan's chances.
The plotters have lost the airport and the TV station apparently. If that is true then they have lost. They should have shut down the internet and all TV stations from the beginning then gone in air to tell people to stay indoors. Once Erdogan was able to rally his rent-a-mob it was never going to be easy, they could probably still win but it would end up being a very bloody, very messy affair.
You wonder how crap their military training is if they can't seize and hold something like a tv station vs a civilian mob.
Sometimes the squaddies just refuse to fire on the people.
If it can be done bloodlessly by the seizure of TV stations, parliaments, convincing the regime to flee, etc. - they're in.
If it means massacring their fellow citizens [and ending up swinging from lampposts themselves] - they're out.
BBC still sounding very pessimistic about Erdogan's chances.
The plotters have lost the airport and the TV station apparently. If that is true then they have lost. They should have shut down the internet and all TV stations from the beginning then gone in air to tell people to stay indoors. Once Erdogan was able to rally his rent-a-mob it was never going to be easy, they could probably still win but it would end up being a very bloody, very messy affair.
You wonder how crap their military training is if they can't seize and hold something like a tv station vs a civilian mob.
That kind of thing isn't so much about training though is it? The issue is how you react when folk ignore the warning shots. Do you really want to shoot a civilian, your own countryman? Do you feel comfortable with that? Military training alone can't do that, I suspect, especially if you're in doubt whether the orders are legitimate and your superiors are really in control. Bear in mind your odds of being prosecuted after the event and it would hardly be the easy choice.
Just watching a wedding (I think) party going on in Aleppo - not a hijab or veil in sight.
Is it segregated?
Nope, wasn't at all. https://www.facebook.com/gabiafram11 2nd vid down - amongst all the madness in the world people in the war ravaged city of Aleppo were having a great time !
Comments
Its a hedge.
I expect when I wake up in the morning this will be all but over, and a far dry from smooth coups of yesteryear.
Iht rocks...
'If it hasn't been mentioned before then Chris Bryant's Twitter is the place to be. What a complete bellend!'
The numpty is blaming it on Brexit,where do Labour find these idiots ?
If the Obama quote could be read two ways, Kerry quote and who he was saying it to sounds very clear to me.
https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/754094122240061441
Mohammed C Nesbitt.
Good night.
The democratic order in Turkey must be respected and all must be done to protect lives, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman
"We're getting images of some injuries among pro-coup protesters on the Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul."
So are they pro coup and protesting, or are they protesting about those who are pro coup.
Night all.
If they are pro-coup, they are surely coup supporters....if they are anti-coup they are protesters.
Seriously tho asking the electorate again will lead to a resounding defeat for Remain. I would bet big on it.
The 21st Century is insane.
If it can be done bloodlessly by the seizure of TV stations, parliaments, convincing the regime to flee, etc. - they're in.
If it means massacring their fellow citizens [and ending up swinging from lampposts themselves] - they're out.
The website data is probably wrong.
or....
edit. looks like it's landed.