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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    murali_s said:



    Some good points here.

    But, isn't this the slippery slope? There is a possibility that there will be a huge backlash against ALL Muslims and ALL ethnic minorities. After 'cleansing' out Islam, what's next?

    The whole point is that it targets only those who seek to live in a fundamentalist manner, liberal/secular Muslims who don't feel the need to pray five times a day or don't force their wives and daughters to wear burkas etc... would be unaffected by the policy changes. It's not about targeting a certain type of person, it's about targeting certain types of behaviour. The law applies to everyone.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Tim Marshall
    Le Figaro and others say 73 dead in Nice attack. Truck drove up to 2 kilometres thru crowds before halting.

    2kms!!

    Sadly the death toll will probably be a lot higher than 73 if it really was 2km.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    The 'successful' attacks seem to be small cells or individuals acting alone. Nothing for spys to see.
    One of the goals of PREVENT is to head things off at the pass. Few people move directly from ordinary joe to Jihadi, in the same way that serial killers often start with animal cruelty. Intelligence can help identify that process of radicalisation.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/753728269019549696

    More or less confirms it is Pence imo, but another couple of days till confirmation.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited July 2016
    delete
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    I wonder if the media will take the opportunity to bring up Sharia with May?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    AndyJS said:

    Sadly the death toll will probably be a lot higher than 73 if it really was 2km.
    It is beyond comprehension, it really is.

    And I don't see a solution that will actually work
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited July 2016
    SeanT said:

    Delusional bullshit. The UK has simply been lucky. We have just as many horrible Islamist nutters, and just as much loathing of the West in certain Muslim communities.

    Plus we had mass Islamic racist gang rape of white girls, pretty uniquely.

    Nice will very likely happen in the UK, in some form.

    So multiple countries within Europe have been simply lucky? I don't claim that UK has never had its issues with terrorism or that Rotheram never happened either. But we have never suffered three terrorists attacks from Islamic extremists in under two years. Nor has any other European country, IIRC. This is unprecedented and that is why it is so incredibly shocking.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    I wonder if the media will take the opportunity to bring up Sharia with May?

    That could have waited until tomorrow, I think.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    If someone had had a stinger available they might have been able to stop the truck earlier. Would they work with trucks?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    RobD said:

    That could have waited until tomorrow, I think.
    No, it will not wait.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    SeanT said:

    Apparently the driver's accomplice is on the run. Hence the continued police anxiety.

    Or so Twitter says. Who knows.

    BBC News suggesting two further incidents, possibly with hostages. Police seen rushing into a nightclub with stretchers. (Of course, it may just be that was being used as a temporary field hospital.)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    AndyJS said:

    Sadly the death toll will probably be a lot higher than 73 if it really was 2km.

    Sometimes death tolls are overstated early on. Hopefully, it's the case here.

    The most frightening, dreadful thing is that it is French people doing this in France. There is an Islamic disease. We cannot beat about the bush here. Unfortunately, Moslems have to accept that only they can find the solution. I wish it were otherwise, but it's not.

  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    SeanT said:

    Delusional bullshit. The UK has simply been lucky. We have just as many horrible Islamist nutters, and just as much loathing of the West in certain Muslim communities.

    Plus we had mass Islamic racist gang rape of white girls, pretty uniquely.

    Nice will very likely happen in the UK, in some form.
    Agreed. The only difference between us and France is a superior intelligence service, it seems. Both France and the UK share a postcolonial guilt that has led to multiculralism on a huge scale. That's fine when it includes people who share the same norms, beliefs and values as the wider population....
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    SeanT said:

    YES THERE IS A SOLUTION

    Face it. Otherwise it will be civil war.
    There is no left or centrist solution. Other than accepting the futility of the state, which the statists will never do.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    SeanT said:


    Delusional bullshit. The UK has simply been lucky. We have just as many horrible Islamist nutters, and just as much loathing of the West in certain Muslim communities.

    Plus we had mass Islamic racist gang rape of white girls, pretty uniquely.

    Nice will very likely happen in the UK, in some form.

    Lucky and to a certain degree better equipped. It's going to be tough to lose Theresa May as Home Secretary because she actually did a pretty good job in keeping us well protected in terms of funding for anti-terror programmes and protecting intelligence budgets etc...

    IIRC it was her and Hammond who got together and went above George's head to the PM to get real terms protection for the intelligence budgets. It's why May and Osborne never really got on.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    France24 news channel (in English):

    http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    AndyJS said:

    If someone had had a stinger available they might have been able to stop the truck earlier. Would they work with trucks?

    Stinger is a SAM. A spike strip would likely be ineffective. Shooting the engine might work. Killing the driver would be very difficult. An articulated lorry is a horribly effective weapon.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Even if France elects Le Pen and they stop all Muslim migration they still have an enemy within. An enemy that wants to completely destroy the French way of life. Its not about as some say a marginalised minority because many have gone to fight in Syria from the west with very middle class backgrounds, even medical students. This is about ideology that's it and Hollande needs to get a bloody grip.


    Thank you to our security services for keeping us safe, and thank Allah we have May as PM.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    I hope Theresa May got a good night's sleep last night because she probably won't get much tonight. Serious point.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    AndyJS said:

    Trump's response:

    twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/753720863606775809

    Front Nationale's polling numbers will be one to watch. You'd expect them to jump.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    John_M said:

    Stinger is a SAM. A spike strip would likely be ineffective. Shooting the engine might work. Killing the driver would be very difficult.
    Andy means one of these: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/stinger-halts-wrongway-milk-cart-31087836.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Apparently there were fireworks going on at the time of the attack. Would have made it more difficult for people to realise what was happening at the start. Probably deliberate from the attacker.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    So multiple countries within Europe have been simply lucky? I don't claim that UK has never had its issues with terrorism or that Rotheram never happened either. But we have never suffered three terrorists attacks from Islamic extremists in under two years. Nor has any other European country, IIRC. This is unprecedented and that is why it is so incredibly shocking.

    The UK and France are fairly unique in Europe in terms of the post colonial settlement. No other country has received such high levels of Islamic migration as France or the UK. Only Germany but they have secular since the 1920s Turkish migration rather than Pakistani or North African migration. We simply can't compare the situation on France to any other European nation other than the UK and vice versa.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Andy means one of these: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/stinger-halts-wrongway-milk-cart-31087836.html
    Ah nomenclature. That's a spike strip in my world. No, that wouldn't work.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Andy means one of these: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/stinger-halts-wrongway-milk-cart-31087836.html
    I had wondered what SAM meant in the context!
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Considerably more than 70 dead. In the attached link there are videos. All are extremely not safe for life and completely horrific. View at your own discretion. The magnitude of the massacre is massive. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4svm8c/truck_crashes_into_bastille_day_crowd_in_nice/d5ckewx
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    AndyJS said:

    Apparently there were fireworks going on at the time of the attack. Would have made it more difficult for people to realise what was happening at the start. Probably deliberate from the attacker.

    A lorry is not a subtle weapon.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    RobD said:

    I had wondered what SAM meant in the context!
    I thought he meant surface to air missile but figured it must have been something else!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Lib Dems gained St Teath and St Breward from Ind very large majority
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    Grenades and guns found in the truck
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    I can't believe France24 have got to a Sports update...
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    MaxPB said:

    The UK and France are fairly unique in Europe in terms of the post colonial settlement. No other country has received such high levels of Islamic migration as France or the UK. Only Germany but they have secular since the 1920s Turkish migration rather than Pakistani or North African migration. We simply can't compare the situation on France to any other European nation other than the UK and vice versa.
    The origins are different though.

    France: algeria
    UK: pakistan, bangladesh
    Germany: Turkey. (more recently syria, iraq, afghanistan)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    Chameleon said:

    Considerably more than 70 dead. In the attached link there are videos. All are extremely not safe for life and completely horrific. View at your own discretion. The magnitude of the massacre is massive. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4svm8c/truck_crashes_into_bastille_day_crowd_in_nice/d5ckewx

    Looks like it was going at about 30mph. Just a guess.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    I'm due to go to Nice on holiday next month.

    I'm still going.

    Fuck these twats.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    I can't believe France24 have got to a Sports update...

    From the looks of their reporting they are a French version of the BBC so not surprised.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    MaxPB said:

    The UK and France are fairly unique in Europe in terms of the post colonial settlement. No other country has received such high levels of Islamic migration as France or the UK. Only Germany but they have secular since the 1920s Turkish migration rather than Pakistani or North African migration. We simply can't compare the situation on France to any other European nation other than the UK and vice versa.
    Ok. I have heard that Germany has had their issues with Turkish integration, but it is obviously not to anywhere near the extent that we and particularly France have had. I wonder what makes Muslims of Pakistani or North African descent (seemingly) more likely to be radicalised than those of Turkish origin? Either way, we've got to a find a solution to this problem.
  • I'm due to go to Nice on holiday next month.

    I'm still going.

    Fuck these twats.

    Absolutely. Support the local economy. Good practical way of helping.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Did boredom fuel Donald Trump's presidential campaign?"

    http://us.cnn.com/2016/07/14/health/boredom-extreme-politics/index.html
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,294
    BBC humorous video on POTUS prediction here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36473888

    Five prediction methods outlined:
    * model from Moody's Analytics
    * Norpoth's model based on primary performance
    * Names ending in "n"
    * First-time Olympic holder
    * Allan Lichtman's questionnaire
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    AndyJS said:

    Looks like it was going at about 30mph. Just a guess.
    There is a (non graphic) video of the truck approaching the crowd, it was going along the Promenade at a very slow speed and as it approached the crowd (hidden behind trees) it accelerates, I could easily see it hitting 40 before it starts to hit the crowd.

    Sadly, I think the idea that there are many more than 70 dead is likely to be accurate, it was a huge crowd.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Fox News is taking the Sky News feed. One of the Sky folks said that 'Promenade des Anglais' meant 'Street of Angels'. Obviously they haven't heard about Brexit yet.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Le Figaro reporting that guns and grenades were found inside the truck.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    I'm due to go to Nice on holiday next month.

    I'm still going.

    Fuck these twats.

    Well said. Also going to a wedding in France in a couple of weeks. We can't let them stop our plans.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    night all.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Ok. I have heard that Germany has had their issues with Turkish integration, but it is obviously not to anywhere near the extent that we and particularly France have had. I wonder what makes Muslims of Pakistani or North African descent (seemingly) more likely to be radicalised than those of Turkish origin? Either way, we've got to a find a solution to this problem.
    I suspect that it is more to do with the socio-economic status of the immigrants, The poorer and more marginalised they are, the more likely they are to be radicalised. France has the Banlieus(?) which are basically ghettos for poor young muslims.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Tim_B said:

    Le Figaro reporting that guns and grenades were found inside the truck.

    It could have been worse, which is hard to imagine...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Yet another Islamist outrage.

    RIP mes amis

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    It could have been worse, which is hard to imagine...
    Could have been much worse - they could have found Clinton emails!
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    John_M said:

    One of the goals of PREVENT is to head things off at the pass. Few people move directly from ordinary joe to Jihadi, in the same way that serial killers often start with animal cruelty. Intelligence can help identify that process of radicalisation.
    PREVENT has zero support in the Muslim community in Britain BTW.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Ok. I have heard that Germany has had their issues with Turkish integration, but it is obviously not to anywhere near the extent that we and particularly France have had. I wonder what makes Muslims of Pakistani or North African descent (seemingly) more likely to be radicalised than those of Turkish origin? Either way, we've got to a find a solution to this problem.
    Thank Atatürk for Turkish (relative) secularism. I had Turkish friends as a kid and other than a passing mention that they went to "church" on a Friday night - which I thought a novel time of the week - there was nothing to suggest they were Muslim. Those days are going, I fear.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Another casualty of the French attack - Trump has cancelled his scheduled press conference to announce his VP nomination, which was to be at 11am EDT tomorrow.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited July 2016
    Chameleon said:

    Considerably more than 70 dead. In the attached link there are videos. All are extremely not safe for life and completely horrific. View at your own discretion. The magnitude of the massacre is massive. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4svm8c/truck_crashes_into_bastille_day_crowd_in_nice/d5ckewx

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Oh please can you edit that link so we don't have to see it??
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Thank Atatürk for Turkish (relative) secularism. I had Turkish friends as a kid and other than a passing mention that they went to "church" on a Friday night - which I thought a novel time of the week - there was nothing to suggest they were Muslim. Those days are going, I fear.
    Southern Baptists go to church on a Wednesday evening. Unfortunately those days are not going.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Brokenwheel: maybe you should make the link an indirect one.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    ...
    While the edit button is still working, do you think you might reconsider posting that?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    AndyJS said:

    Brokenwheel: maybe you should make the link an indirect one.

    and if you do insist on keeping the link, put a HUGE warning on it please.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Tim_B said:

    Fox News is taking the Sky News feed. One of the Sky folks said that 'Promenade des Anglais' meant 'Street of Angels'. Obviously they haven't heard about Brexit yet.

    ??
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    and if you do insist on keeping the link, put a HUGE warning on it please.
    What worries me is that children all over the world are inevitably going to see this footage. I didn't have to see anything like this until I was over 18.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Tim_B said:

    Another casualty of the French attack - Trump has cancelled his scheduled press conference to announce his VP nomination, which was to be at 11am EDT tomorrow.

    a casualty of the attack!? What's wring with you?
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Sky News just said possibility of several hundred dead.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    AndyJS said:

    What worries me is that children all over the world are inevitably going to see this footage. I didn't have to see anything like this until I was over 18.
    Yeah, can't be good in terms of radicalisation.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Lowlander said:

    Sky News just said possibility of several hundred dead.

    If he went for 2km @ the rate the video showed, that may tragically not be off by too much.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    nunu said:

    PREVENT has zero support in the Muslim community in Britain BTW.
    Believe me, I know.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    edited July 2016
    Lowlander said:

    Sky News just said possibility of several hundred dead.

    I find this post far more awful than watching any vid.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    nunu said:

    ??
    des Anglais = of the English.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Chameleon said:

    If he went for 2km @ the rate the video showed, that may tragically not be off by too much.
    I try to avoid things like the beheading videos and such but I did see the graphic video of the aftermath of this and over that short 50m or so there must have been at least 30 dead, possibly more. The scale of this is hard to really comprehend.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    AndyJS said:

    What worries me is that children all over the world are inevitably going to see this footage. I didn't have to see anything like this until I was over 18.
    FWIW, I've seen a lot of dodgy videos of previous attacks, this is by some magnitude the most horrific stuff I've ever seen, had to turn it off almost instantly.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    nunu said:

    ??
    Geneva has a "Jardin Anglais", and a "Hotel Angleterre".
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    nunu said:

    a casualty of the attack!? What's wring with you?
    An ill-judged attempt at levity, I suspect.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Lowlander said:

    I try to avoid things like the beheading videos and such but I did see the graphic video of the aftermath of this and over that short 50m or so there must have been at least 30 dead, possibly more. The scale of this is hard to really comprehend.
    30*(2000m/50m)= 1200. That number is obviously very high, lets hope that it's off by a factor of 10 or more.
  • MarcKleinMarcKlein Posts: 36
    AndyJS said:

    What worries me is that children all over the world are inevitably going to see this footage. I didn't have to see anything like this until I was over 18.
    Without trying to minimise anything, believe me, these images are quite mild in comparison to what is freely available on the Internet. (horrendous accidents, torture murders, suicides, dismemberment etc)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    Lowlander said:

    Sky News just said possibility of several hundred dead.

    I heard that as "injured".

    But if it's several hundred dead that would make it the deadliest terror attack EVER in Europe.

  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    MarcKlein said:

    Without trying to minimise anything, believe me, these images are quite mild in comparison to what is freely available on the Internet. (horrendous accidents, torture murders, suicides, dismemberment etc)
    On the contrary,most other videos are places and scenarios that we can't envisage ourselves being in. This is different.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Chameleon said:

    30*(2000m/50m)= 1200. That number is obviously very high, lets hope that it's off by a factor of 10 or more.
    Yeah, you could imagine the casualty rate being higher at the start.

    Ugh, how horrible.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    An ill-judged attempt at levity, I suspect.
    Yeah, I hope/think so.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited July 2016
    A German reporter captured the start of the attack, with the truck revving up and then shooting off down the road. Apparently they are showing it on German TV.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    RobD said:

    Yeah, you could imagine the casualty rate being higher at the start.

    Ugh, how horrible.
    Dreadful eyewitness report saying truck swerved at speed all along the road mowing people down, bodies flying like bowling pins.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    I heard that as "injured".

    But if it's several hundred dead that would make it the deadliest terror attack EVER in Europe.

    What's the current highest?
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    This might be misread as a joke but it is not meant as such so please understand my meaning.

    I do hope Theresa May takes charge of the UK's response as the alternative would be a great concern.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    'Sky News quoting journalist: "I saw bodies flying like bowlpins ... I heard cries I will never forget"'
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Lowlander said:

    This might be misread as a joke but it is not meant as such so please understand my meaning.

    I do hope Theresa May takes charge of the UK's response as the alternative would be a great concern.

    Sharia for all?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @SeanT

    'Unless and until Islam decides to Enlighten itself, we have to minimise our exposure to Islam. That means minimal if not zero immigraton from Muslim countries and a series of measures designed to make life very difficult in the West for fundamentalist Muslims - no more sharia, no more Muslim schools, no more imported imams, no more burqas, no more halal slaughter, no more prayer time at work, no more understanding of Muslims cab drivers who won't take guide dogs.'


    Spot on ,time to get tough the softly softly crap clearly isn't working.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Apparently after his truck stopped - he got out and sprayed the crowds with bullets.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    john_zims said:

    @SeanT

    'Unless and until Islam decides to Enlighten itself, we have to minimise our exposure to Islam. That means minimal if not zero immigraton from Muslim countries and a series of measures designed to make life very difficult in the West for fundamentalist Muslims - no more sharia, no more Muslim schools, no more imported imams, no more burqas, no more halal slaughter, no more prayer time at work, no more understanding of Muslims cab drivers who won't take guide dogs.'


    Spot on ,time to get tough the softly softly crap clearly isn't working.

    Merkel isn't a lady for U-Turning....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    edited July 2016
    Chameleon said:

    What's the current highest?
    I think it was Madrid, 2004 - 192 dead
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    john_zims said:

    @SeanT

    'Unless and until Islam decides to Enlighten itself, we have to minimise our exposure to Islam. That means minimal if not zero immigraton from Muslim countries and a series of measures designed to make life very difficult in the West for fundamentalist Muslims - no more sharia, no more Muslim schools, no more imported imams, no more burqas, no more halal slaughter, no more prayer time at work, no more understanding of Muslims cab drivers who won't take guide dogs.'


    Spot on ,time to get tough the softly softly crap clearly isn't working.

    The problem is that the Q'ran is far less ambiguous than the Bible and as far as I am aware, it does not have anything with the qualifying effect of the New Testament. I do not see how the fairly explicit calls to war and action within the Q'ran and the calls to kill and the absolution and requirement for jihad can possible be removed from the creed.

    The basis for the Reformation was re-interpretation. I don't see how Islam can manage to achieve that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    BBC now showing the German reporters footage.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    bloody hell,judging by the footage the BBC has just shown, it was 2km of dense crowds.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    I bet even Andrea Leadsom is glad Theresa May got the job of PM ahead of her this evening.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    Chameleon said:

    bloody hell,judging by the footage the BBC has just shown, it was 2km of dense crowds.

    I am not sure I can bring myself to watch it. The mental images are bad enough.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    Pulpstar said:

    I bet even Andrea Leadsom is glad Theresa May got the job of PM ahead of her this evening.

    Boris is going to have to step up as well...no boozy lunches with some jolly conversations with French VIPs.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    edited July 2016

    I think it was Madrid, 2004 - 192 dead
    Belay that - was Lockerbie, 1988 - 270 dead
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    Oh f##k off BBC...they are cautioning over if it was a terror attack or just an attack.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Belay that - was Lockerbie, 1988 - 270 dead
    Lets hope that that's still true in a weeks time.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I remember reading some of Michel Houellebecq's novels and thinking they were a bit OTT but events are turning out to be every bit as horrific as they are in his books.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941

    I am not sure I can bring myself to watch it. The mental images are bad enough.
    I don't intend to watch it again but from memory (I only half watched it through fingers semi-covering the window), there is only one genuinely graphic image of mutilation. I would say that if you are concerned, don't watch, it is quite awful.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Trump on Fox is frightening, the man is an idiot and the way he's trying to showboat this incident is beyond contempt.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    Lowlander said:

    I don't intend to watch it again but from memory (I only half watched it through fingers semi-covering the window), there is only one genuinely graphic image of mutilation. I would say that if you are concerned, don't watch, it is quite awful.
    I fess up to watching Human Centipede II on the Horror Channel on Tuesday night - that was rather cringeworthy.
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