"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
First, to note that the LDs pulled off a shock gain from Con in Amesbury East a few months back; that is the other side of the county, but still.The council majority is different now though, due to quite a few LD defections to Ind and Con Gains from LD at by-elections last year though.
Trowbridge Grove though, the by-election is due to the death of the previous councillor, who was something of a local titan - started as Labour candidate way back in the 70s, LD for over 20 years but stood as Ind in 2013 (the LDs did not put up a candidate against).
So it was a LD ward for a long time at various levels of local government. The Con candidate is well known, as is the LD, but I'd expect a fairly comfy LD Gain unless the Ind does really well and splits the vote.
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
Just got to Milan. Better stadium, better team, best lasagne.
So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?
TOPPING said: Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers. It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders. I am summarising for reasons of space.
It does sound like confirmation bias.
It does & then you come across videos like this one
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
Leicester City haven't got a stadium in Manchester....
Very true but about the lasagne.
Tripadvisor is your friend -- drill down to Manchester > restaurants, then under cuisine on the left, hit the more button and type lasagne into the box. Sort by ratings.
Having said that, remember TSE's warning about restaurants being full Saturday nights.
Thanks. The risk of places being full is why I want a reservation.
I was looking at the % of graduates per constituency and was struck by how many graduates there are even in the poorest parts of London, many of which were way above the national average in places like Southall had over 40% graduates and this was in 2009 suspect the numbers are even more stark with most most marginals outside London with only about 20-30% graduates
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
Just got to Milan. Better stadium, better team, best lasagne.
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below
He will have a media scrum wherever he goes in the World with high profile coverage on international media and can you even imagine Juncker's and Schulz's faces when he attends EU meetings.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Hmm. Uganda, that mighty power... remind me again why I should give a flying fck about what their government thinks of us?
United Kingdom GDP $2,849,345,000,000 Uganda GDP $24,740,000,000
A mere 116 times smaller than us.
(lol)
The post-post-post-imperial wounded amour-propre over the next couple of years is going to get tedious.
What is tedious is people acting like British people regularly get all over important about our place in the world, which is horseshit. Yes, we focus on ourselves perhaps too much, like most places, but the majority of people I find are deeply cynical about how important we are and how much people think of us, and politicians, far from talking to an open door when talking us up, are genuinely having to try to convince the population we are still of some significance (which we are - we're no superpower, but we're not nothing).
It can go too far the other way, but this idea we regularly over egg ourselves is nonsense. And no, finding an example where someone, even someone important, has done so, doesn't make that untrue.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Some of the hysterical reporting seen in the foreign press is highly amusing. Der Spiegel seem especially embittered.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Some of the hysterical reporting seen in the foreign press is highly amusing. Der Spiegel seem especially embittered.
Well yes, but if they are proved right in the end it won't be as funny. It's no easy task for us either, and May's appointments are making me think we're getting a harder Brexit deal than I personally would prefer and suffer more as a result.
How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Some of the hysterical reporting seen in the foreign press is highly amusing. Der Spiegel seem especially embittered.
Well yes, but if they are proved right in the end it won't be as funny. It's no easy task for us either, and May's appointments are making me think we're getting a harder Brexit deal than I personally would prefer and suffer more as a result.
In any negotiation the starting point is to be as hard as nails - see what the EU are saying.
The only difference is that the EU are 28 states and they will fall out with each other over this.
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below
How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
Don't forget that including David Davis in the Cabinet has increased her majority by 1 compared with Cameron!
In Aussie news, the Liberal Nationals are now 44 votes (out of 88,000) ahead in Herbert, with 10% left to be counted. ABC predict a LNP hold which would give the Coalition 77 out of 150, to 68 for Labour.
I'm getting the impression May despised a lot of Cameroon government.
Paraphrasing from what a correspondent wrote, but you do get the impression she's been sat around the cabinet table for six years thinking: 'if only I could get a chance to get rid of you.'
BREAKING; #Brighton #Hove District Labour Party suspended by NEC after 6,000-member @bhlabour party voted by 60+% for @jeremyorbyn. (1/2)
Not sure I follow this - how is Labour Party members in a lefty areea voting heavily for the left-wing Labour Party leader worthy of suspending the local party?
BREAKING; #Brighton #Hove District Labour Party suspended by NEC after 6,000-member @bhlabour party voted by 60+% for @jeremyorbyn. (1/2)
Not sure I follow this - how is Labour Party members in a lefty areea voting heavily for the left-wing Labour Party leader worthy of suspending the local party?
Presumably they've discovered that large numbers of the voters weren't Labour supporters?
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below
How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
Don't forget that including David Davis in the Cabinet has increased her majority by 1 compared with Cameron!
Chris Mason Sources say Anna Soubry and Matt Hancock have both been sacked, reports @bbclaurak
My cup runneth over.
Looking forward to the Cameroon europhiles wreaking merry havoc on the back benches.
I think the tired PB cliche is "popcorn time".
As others have said on here, they probably won't. Some will move on from politics in 2020, others may behave themselves to earn a second chance and given that May has a reformist agenda she'll get everything through quite easily.
Talking bollocks. The UK is regularly considered either the top or one of the top countries in the world for soft power.
Do you really think that we have more soft power than America, Japan or South Korea?
What do we have that competes with Hollywood, Pokemon Go or AmorePacific?
The English language, Shakespeare, Dickens, etc, etc.
BTW I've never heard of AmorePacific. Is that for young persons?
It's a cosmetic company. Grand Theft Auto > Pokemon though . We can go on for a while. The Monarchy. The EPL. Britpop. London as an icon. The Common Law.
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below
On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below
So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?
g for reasons of space.
Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
Hmm.
Pastiche not your strong point.
Knowing what "pastiche" means not your specialised subject.
Don't make me quote the definition.
Hint: I was the artist whose style you were imitating. Poorly.
Don't be silly. You stated someone else's conclusions, omitting the reasoning "for reasons of space" and I exhibited the point that the conclusions could be stood on their head on grounds which look distinctly plausible to me; and at least I had the courtesy to provide some grounds, not omit them "for reasons of space". That is all about logic, rather than style.
fwiw I voted remain, but I don't find it easy to classify 52% of the voting public as "small-minded", and if I did I would have the manners to keep it to myself.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
The EU commission and the nation states will have different priorities. The nation states will be deciding this one.
Chris Mason Sources say Anna Soubry and Matt Hancock have both been sacked, reports @bbclaurak
My cup runneth over.
Looking forward to the Cameroon europhiles wreaking merry havoc on the back benches.
I think the tired PB cliche is "popcorn time".
As others have said on here, they probably won't. Some will move on from politics in 2020, others may behave themselves to earn a second chance and given that May has a reformist agenda she'll get everything through quite easily.
If he is still very ambitious in politics, somebody like Osborne has a lot to gain by being out of the limelight. He's still only 45! Plenty of time to (re)build his image and come back into the frontline in 5-10 years time.
I'm getting the impression May despised a lot of Cameroon government.
Yep, she seems to feel the same way about the posh boys as much of the British public.
May gets that the referendum wasn't just about the EU, but the insular nature of the establishment in general, the neglect of voters outside marginal seats, governments looking after those that are basically already doing alright (Ed's "squeezed middle" which was actually the upper quintile), multinational corporations getting away with tax fiddling, and more.
There was only one question on the ballot paper, but the public are angry about a lot more than that as the campaign itself clearly revealed.
Of course the chance of May really doing something about these issues is slim.
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
Too sensible? I have to admit to being prejudiced against politicians from Poland's Justice and Law Party. Mr Waszczykowski was defending his party's controversial media censorship law on the grounds that it eradicated the diseases of bikers and vegetarians, which obviously are totally un-Polish
I'm getting the impression May despised a lot of Cameroon government.
Paraphrasing from what a correspondent wrote, but you do get the impression she's been sat around the cabinet table for six years thinking: 'if only I could get a chance to get rid of you.'
It seems absolutely certain that, even though the requirement for Brexit wouldn't have been Ms May's first choice, she came into her position with a good idea of what she wants to do.
How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
But she doesn't have the patronage networks in place - the ones that have just been shattered - particularly Osborne's clique - is likely to be very bitter, whatever they say in public.
There are 250 MPs on the backbenches who will all want pork.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Some of the hysterical reporting seen in the foreign press is highly amusing. Der Spiegel seem especially embittered.
Well yes, but if they are proved right in the end it won't be as funny. It's no easy task for us either, and May's appointments are making me think we're getting a harder Brexit deal than I personally would prefer and suffer more as a result.
In any negotiation the starting point is to be as hard as nails - see what the EU are saying.
The only difference is that the EU are 28 states and they will fall out with each other over this.
United we stand - Divided we fall
We have an opportunity. I'm less confident now than I was when May was first elected that we will seize that opportunity.
Talking bollocks. The UK is regularly considered either the top or one of the top countries in the world for soft power.
Do you really think that we have more soft power than America, Japan or South Korea?
What do we have that competes with Hollywood, Pokemon Go or AmorePacific?
The English language, Shakespeare, Dickens, etc, etc.
BTW I've never heard of AmorePacific. Is that for young persons?
Apparently a skin care brand. One would imagine the likes of LVMH (not British) are more successful. I certainly wouldn't list them higher than Samsung in terms of Korean success stories.
Talking bollocks. The UK is regularly considered either the top or one of the top countries in the world for soft power.
Do you really think that we have more soft power than America, Japan or South Korea?
What do we have that competes with Hollywood, Pokemon Go or AmorePacific?
The English language, Shakespeare, Dickens, etc, etc.
BTW I've never heard of AmorePacific. Is that for young persons?
It's a cosmetic company. Grand Theft Auto > Pokemon though . We can go on for a while. The Monarchy. The EPL. Britpop. London as an icon. The Common Law.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Yes a major customer dependent upon £100bn of business a year is going to get tough with us........... FFS But there is no accounting for the level of stupidity by folk that run the EU.
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
Chris Mason Sources say Anna Soubry and Matt Hancock have both been sacked, reports @bbclaurak
My cup runneth over.
Looking forward to the Cameroon europhiles wreaking merry havoc on the back benches.
I think the tired PB cliche is "popcorn time".
As others have said on here, they probably won't. Some will move on from politics in 2020, others may behave themselves to earn a second chance and given that May has a reformist agenda she'll get everything through quite easily.
If he is still very ambitious in politics, somebody like Osborne has a lot to gain by being out of the limelight. He's still only 45! Plenty of time to (re)build his image and come back into the frontline in 5-10 years time.
If, as @FF43 has said, there are some high profile mis-steps by the Brexit contingent, then he might easily be on course to come back in 2020.
That said, they would need to really misplay their hands. It would require for example David Davis to admit that when he walks out of the room with WTO, he had walked in wanting Single Market.
I doubt he or anyone on his team would admit to that, so that kind of political error would most likely remain unknown to the public. But it is still a possibility so GO is not out of the game for ever.
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
I wonder if he spoke in French and the Brits did not understand?
How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
But she doesn't have the patronage networks in place - the ones that have just been shattered - particularly Osborne's clique - is likely to be very bitter, whatever they say in public.
There are 250 MPs on the backbenches who will all want pork.
I think they'll be surpringly loyal for the first year or so. When the government starts running into difficulties as all governments do, then will be the time we might start seeing manoeuvres.
Suspect May's tactic will be to get as far as she can before things start getting difficult, and will then hope to cash in on what she will hope has been a good start with a General Election post-Brexit deal.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Some of the hysterical reporting seen in the foreign press is highly amusing. Der Spiegel seem especially embittered.
Well yes, but if they are proved right in the end it won't be as funny. It's no easy task for us either, and May's appointments are making me think we're getting a harder Brexit deal than I personally would prefer and suffer more as a result.
In any negotiation the starting point is to be as hard as nails - see what the EU are saying.
The only difference is that the EU are 28 states and they will fall out with each other over this.
United we stand - Divided we fall
We have an opportunity. I'm less confident now than I was when May was first elected that we will seize that opportunity.
It will happen as long as there is no general election in the short term
How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
But she doesn't have the patronage networks in place - the ones that have just been shattered - particularly Osborne's clique - is likely to be very bitter, whatever they say in public. There are 250 MPs on the backbenches who will all want pork. And the barrel is looking empty.
In a few months they will be focused on the boundary review and keeping their main job - being an MP.
Confirmation bias, bad manners, dolts refusing to engage or respond. All fine. Make your own minds up.
It's an interesting programme, however, although I appreciate that *xp*rts might have had a hand in it.
Toby Young has a column addressing this attitude.
"In general, people whom social psychologists categorize as ‘weird’ (Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich and Democratic) are even more tribal when it comes to their attitudes and behaviour than those we think of as belonging to an inward-looking monoculture — Ukip voters, for instance. Contrary to the self-understanding of the Bremainers, being ‘outward-facing’ doesn’t mean being open to new ideas.
This unwelcome fact is an example of a well-established rule in social psychology, which is that the more knowledgeable you are, the more likely you are to suffer from ideological bias, whether left or right. That was the conclusion of Peter Hatemi and Rose McDermott in a recent paper for the Annual Review of Political Science. All the evidence suggests that those who place a high value on facts and see themselves as truth-seekers are no more likely to arrive at their political views through reason and analysis than swivel-eyed Eurosceptic loons. "
I'm getting the impression May despised a lot of Cameroon government.
There was only one question on the ballot paper, but the public are angry about a lot more than that as the campaign itself clearly revealed. .
That could be right, but as you point out only one question was on the paper and the rest is pure supposition. I for one didn't care about posh boys or not posh boys (and girls), and I severely hope she hasn't been, gasp, careerist, all this time and pretended to be fine with one clique just to replace it with a new one.
Wow. David Davis seems totally unaware that negotiations require the involvement of other parties. We're not even talking about initial negotiating positions.
Almost every one of those bullet points fall apart at the first prod.
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
I wonder if he spoke in French and the Brits did not understand?
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
I wonder if he spoke in French and the Brits did not understand?
Wow. David Davis seems totally unaware that negotiations require the involvement of other parties. We're not even talking about initial negotiating positions.
Almost every one of those bullet points fall apart at the first prod.
Dangerous delusions.
He's clearly not understood 'under promise, over deliver'. He's just created a bunch of hostages to fortune.
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
I wonder if he spoke in French and the Brits did not understand?
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Yes a major customer dependent upon £100bn of business a year is going to get tough with us........... FFS But there is no accounting for the level of stupidity by folk that run the EU.
There's a difference between being firm with us and being punitive. It is not to their benefit to be punitive, but it is to be firm. Some will call for the former but will be overrulled I'd think, but being firm is simply common sense. I don't know why people get so upset at the idea they will be firm. That doens't mean we cannot get a great deal, but we need to go in eyes open that they will need to to get a deal they can sell back home too, at least in perception.
Wow. David Davis seems totally unaware that negotiations require the involvement of other parties. We're not even talking about initial negotiating positions.
Almost every one of those bullet points fall apart at the first prod.
Dangerous delusions.
His whole argument rests on how well we do at negotiating free trade agreements. If that goes well, Brexit will be a success.
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
Too sensible? I have to admit to being prejudiced against politicians from Poland's Justice and Law Party. Mr Waszczykowski was defending his party's controversial media censorship law on the grounds that it eradicated the diseases of bikers and vegetarians, which obviously are totally un-Polish
That sounds very reasonable to me, rather like Lord Vetinari hanging mime artists upside down in pits of scorpions.
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Sources say Anna Soubry and Matt Hancock have both been sacked, reports @bbclaurak
First, to note that the LDs pulled off a shock gain from Con in Amesbury East a few months back; that is the other side of the county, but still.The council majority is different now though, due to quite a few LD defections to Ind and Con Gains from LD at by-elections last year though.
Trowbridge Grove though, the by-election is due to the death of the previous councillor, who was something of a local titan - started as Labour candidate way back in the 70s, LD for over 20 years but stood as Ind in 2013 (the LDs did not put up a candidate against).
So it was a LD ward for a long time at various levels of local government. The Con candidate is well known, as is the LD, but I'd expect a fairly comfy LD Gain unless the Ind does really well and splits the vote.
The female version of Nick Soames and top toadie Hancock gone.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/753684437150367744
.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjUESuwqes
The post-post-post-imperial wounded amour-propre over the next couple of years is going to get tedious.
He will have a media scrum wherever he goes in the World with high profile coverage on international media and can you even imagine Juncker's and Schulz's faces when he attends EU meetings.
They may even implode
Launch of a British Five Star Movement? Latest e-mail from @Arron_banks to Leave.EU supporters -> https://t.co/Av8OHQRi2i
It can go too far the other way, but this idea we regularly over egg ourselves is nonsense. And no, finding an example where someone, even someone important, has done so, doesn't make that untrue.
Der Spiegel seem especially embittered.
The honeymoon will be short.
The only difference is that the EU are 28 states and they will fall out with each other over this.
United we stand - Divided we fall
Is the St Peter's Square branch of Metrolink open yet? Only done the Ashton branch so far, back in February.
BREAKING; #Brighton #Hove District Labour Party suspended by NEC after 6,000-member @bhlabour party voted by 60+% for @jeremyorbyn. (1/2)
What do we have that competes with Hollywood, Pokemon Go or AmorePacific?
I think the tired PB cliche is "popcorn time".
BTW I've never heard of AmorePacific. Is that for young persons?
And what the hell were you doing in Trashton?
Only did the Ashton branch because it's the only bit entirely east of Piccadilly station and the City Centre.
listen to it yourselves. Very interesting.
bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07k08xd
Confirmation bias, bad manners, dolts refusing to engage or respond. All fine. Make your own minds up.
It's an interesting programme, however, although I appreciate that *xp*rts might have had a hand in it.
May gets that the referendum wasn't just about the EU, but the insular nature of the establishment in general, the neglect of voters outside marginal seats, governments looking after those that are basically already doing alright (Ed's "squeezed middle" which was actually the upper quintile), multinational corporations getting away with tax fiddling, and more.
There was only one question on the ballot paper, but the public are angry about a lot more than that as the campaign itself clearly revealed.
Of course the chance of May really doing something about these issues is slim.
http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/its-unity-government-vendetta/33276
There's certainly some disquiet burning among the talent relegated to the back benches by the new PM.
There are 250 MPs on the backbenches who will all want pork.
And the barrel is looking empty.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/the-blueprint-for-brexit-how-britain-will-negotiate-out-of-the-e/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
AmorePacific is a South Korean cosmetic company popular with young Chinese (and East Asian in general) women.
To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
That said, they would need to really misplay their hands. It would require for example David Davis to admit that when he walks out of the room with WTO, he had walked in wanting Single Market.
I doubt he or anyone on his team would admit to that, so that kind of political error would most likely remain unknown to the public. But it is still a possibility so GO is not out of the game for ever.
Suspect May's tactic will be to get as far as she can before things start getting difficult, and will then hope to cash in on what she will hope has been a good start with a General Election post-Brexit deal.
"In general, people whom social psychologists categorize as ‘weird’ (Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich and Democratic) are even more tribal when it comes to their attitudes and behaviour than those we think of as belonging to an inward-looking monoculture — Ukip voters, for instance. Contrary to the self-understanding of the Bremainers, being ‘outward-facing’ doesn’t mean being open to new ideas.
This unwelcome fact is an example of a well-established rule in social psychology, which is that the more knowledgeable you are, the more likely you are to suffer from ideological bias, whether left or right. That was the conclusion of Peter Hatemi and Rose McDermott in a recent paper for the Annual Review of Political Science. All the evidence suggests that those who place a high value on facts and see themselves as truth-seekers are no more likely to arrive at their political views through reason and analysis than swivel-eyed Eurosceptic loons. "
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/the-truth-about-post-truth-politics/
Almost every one of those bullet points fall apart at the first prod.
Dangerous delusions.