Newsnight Nick "Mrs May told Osborne he had over promised and under delivered"!!! "Not done enough to champion deep economic reform".
She's not wrong.
If that version is true , I wonder what the consequences would have been had Osborne - or indeed any sacked Minister - turned around and told her to 'go and f... herself!' Has that ever happened in such an interview as far as is known?
Newsnight Nick "Mrs May told Osborne he had over promised and under delivered"!!! "Not done enough to champion deep economic reform".
She's not wrong.
If that version is true , I wonder what the consequences would have been had Osborne - or indeed any sacked Minister - turned around and told her to 'go and f... herself!' Has that ever happened in such an interview as far as is known?
Well they would be guaranteeing they would never have a job in her administration!
This is the moment where I'd rather like having Cameron & Hague representing our country.
Agreed. But I think, perhaps, it will just take a bit of getting used to the new style. I am sure that May can be just as authentically distressed and sympathetic as Cameron.
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I see the mods beat me to the complaint. You're putting one hell of a shift in. Merci.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city? Nice is the 5th biggest city in France according to Wiki.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city? Nice is the 5th biggest city in France according to Wiki.
Trucks driving in a major city centre - even on Bastille night - will be very common. Unless the driver was a known threat who slipped the net, I am not sure if this sort of attack could have been prevented. And that is what makes it scary.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.
At least in May we have a PM who's had daily briefings on this sort of horror for six years - and as others have observed, Johnson's first test.
I see Trump has pulled his VP announcement. Out of respect for the victims, or because he knows he won't dominate the news cycle?
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.
At least in May we have a PM who's had daily briefings on this sort of horror for six years - and as others have observed, Johnson's first test.
I see Trump has pulled his VP announcement. Out of respect for the victims, or because he knows he won't dominate the news cycle?
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.
At least in May we have a PM who's had daily briefings on this sort of horror for six years - and as others have observed, Johnson's first test.
I see Trump has pulled his VP announcement. Out of respect for the victims, or because he knows he won't dominate the news cycle?
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.
The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....
Brokenwheel: maybe you should make the link an indirect one.
and if you do insist on keeping the link, put a HUGE warning on it please.
What worries me is that children all over the world are inevitably going to see this footage. I didn't have to see anything like this until I was over 18.
Without trying to minimise anything, believe me, these images are quite mild in comparison to what is freely available on the Internet. (horrendous accidents, torture murders, suicides, dismemberment etc)
On the contrary,most other videos are places and scenarios that we can't envisage ourselves being in. This is different.
The extremists have plenty of videos of horror in Gaza/Syria etc.
If I was in Germany, I'd be slightly concerned. They've dodged a lot of stuff (as have we) and at some point that run of luck will cease.
Certainly IS keep aiming to do something there just as much as they would like to hit the UK, though. At this point Germany has high strategic value: the centre of a fracturing European Union (and don't you believe that doesn't factor into IS strategists calculations)
The worrysome impression is they'd like to keep something extra for the UK. The fortune we have is that IS hasn't got the roots here as in continental Europe but it doesn't take much to do damage and kill lots of people.
Again I do stress, whilst the assumption is IS no official claim yet. .
The worrysome impression is they'd like to keep something extra for the UK. The fortune we have is that IS hasn't got the roots here as in continental Europe but it doesn't take much to do damage and kill lots of people.
The fortune is that the UK is able to control its borders & monitor who is coming in & going out. Something which the French & Belgians cannot do.
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.
The only way to stop (or at least minimise) the atrocities is to implement stricter border controls & better vetting of migrants.
How will that stop terrorists who are resident nationals? Three out of four of the 7/7 bombers were British born, the Charlie Hebdo murderers were French born.....
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France. (...)
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space. (...)
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.
The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....
The comment about had they expected a possible attack specifically tonight is inapposite, but since Bataclan there is supposed to have been a state of emergency, and I hope that from now on at least, anti-ram bollards will be used at all large outdoor gatherings. "Buggering up a beautiful space"? Forget that. It's possible to make some barriers double as benches, as at King's Cross station in London, but if they don't, they don't. Some further info here about how to do it.
I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France. (...)
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space. (...)
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.
The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....
The comment about had they expected a possible attack specifically tonight is inapposite, but since Bataclan there is supposed to have been a state of emergency, and I hope that from now on at least, anti-ram bollards will be used at all large outdoor gatherings. "Buggering up a beautiful space"? Forget that. It's possible to make some barriers double as benches, as at King's Cross station in London, but if they don't, they don't. Some further info here about how to do it.
I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.
That article talks about using fixed installations to protect against attacks on buildings. Stopping vehicles from entering a main road is a much tougher challenge.
I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.
That article talks about using fixed installations to protect against attacks on buildings. Stopping vehicles from entering a main road is a much tougher challenge.
It isn't much tougher. Movable concrete barriers are used sometimes to separate lanes on motorway contraflows, and heavier ones are used to protect sites from gypsies who want to camp there. A lot of this isn't high-tech. I'm not familiar with Bastille Day celebrations, but most events that involve large crowds outside can be protected from ramming lorries, even if this means controlling where crowds can and can't be in addition to installing barriers. For example, if for some reason there is a main road which must be accessed by numerous lorries, then don't let large celebrating crowds form there.
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France. (...)
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space. (...)
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.
The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....
The comment about had they expected a possible attack specifically tonight is inapposite, but since Bataclan there is supposed to have been a state of emergency, and I hope that from now on at least, anti-ram bollards will be used at all large outdoor gatherings. "Buggering up a beautiful space"? Forget that. It's possible to make some barriers double as benches, as at King's Cross station in London, but if they don't, they don't. Some further info here about how to do it.
I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.
Nonsense. How can you justify the cost of putting up barriers everywhere a possible attack may happen, no matter how infinitesimally small the probability. Making everywhere look like Parliament Square is basically giving in.
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'He's a truly awful person to have representing Britain right now.'
Idiotic post of the year.
You can rest assured all the other scumbag politicians
Obama
Clinton
May
Corbyn
Farron
will be trotting out the same old mantra of lies tomorrow.
"isolated incident"
"nothing to do with Islam"
"religion of peace", etc
If Trump is saying anything unorthodox, he at least deserves a hearing.
What have we got to lose?
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I see the mods beat me to the complaint. You're putting one hell of a shift in. Merci.
Pb mods.. omniscient...
Fair enough. Mike's site, Mike's rules.
Let's wait for the trial.
And an apology from Boris, Gove and Farage.
And an apology from you?
Thank you for being on top of it.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160714-france-state-emergency-will-be-lifted-july-26-says-hollande
I've seen several tweets from Israelis saying this is pretty common form of attack there.
Why? Why? Why?
This is a Labour NEC member who was on TV weeping about supposedly being intimidated by Corbynites.
https://twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/753712829535059968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_government
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
EDIT: oops didn't see your edit in time
Muslim Support for Suicide Bombing in France (Pew Research)
All: 35%
18-29 Years Old: 42%
#NiceFrance https://t.co/o1VxBOuUkf
Disturbing findings, nonetheless.
Running over attempts by car are coming in at one or more a week in Israel in recent times.
The world has never been more interested in Mike Pence than it was a few hours ago https://t.co/LFy9NKMLaC https://t.co/kGn0DfRFC5
A sick act of a sick mind
In CBS/NYT poll, 46% say Clinton would be better on national security/terrorism. 46% say Trump. https://t.co/SFIe9fHYC8
At least in May we have a PM who's had daily briefings on this sort of horror for six years - and as others have observed, Johnson's first test.
I see Trump has pulled his VP announcement. Out of respect for the victims, or because he knows he won't dominate the news cycle?
'john_zims @Pong
'He's a truly awful person to have representing Britain right now.'
Idiotic post of the year.
You should have seen the post pre-edit....'
I did,that was what my response was to.
Think Pong would be more at home on the Momentum website.
Certainly IS keep aiming to do something there just as much as they would like to hit the UK, though. At this point Germany has high strategic value: the centre of a fracturing European Union (and don't you believe that doesn't factor into IS strategists calculations)
The worrysome impression is they'd like to keep something extra for the UK. The fortune we have is that IS hasn't got the roots here as in continental Europe but it doesn't take much to do damage and kill lots of people.
Again I do stress, whilst the assumption is IS no official claim yet. .
I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.