How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
But she doesn't have the patronage networks in place - the ones that have just been shattered - particularly Osborne's clique - is likely to be very bitter, whatever they say in public. There are 250 MPs on the backbenches who will all want pork. And the barrel is looking empty.
In a few months they will be focused on the boundary review and keeping their main job - being an MP.
The boundary review must be a high priority for the govt now, wonder if it's possible to bring it forward from 2018 given most of the work is already done? I imagine Corbyn would be of great help in getting it through, given it will mean almost all of his MPs would be up for reselection!
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
I wonder if he spoke in French and the Brits did not understand?
Confirmation bias, bad manners, dolts refusing to engage or respond. All fine. Make your own minds up.
It's an interesting programme, however, although I appreciate that *xp*rts might have had a hand in it.
Toby Young has a column addressing this attitude.
"In general, people whom social psychologists categorize as ‘weird’ (Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich and Democratic) are even more tribal when it comes to their attitudes and behaviour than those we think of as belonging to an inward-looking monoculture — Ukip voters, for instance. Contrary to the self-understanding of the Bremainers, being ‘outward-facing’ doesn’t mean being open to new ideas.
This unwelcome fact is an example of a well-established rule in social psychology, which is that the more knowledgeable you are, the more likely you are to suffer from ideological bias, whether left or right. That was the conclusion of Peter Hatemi and Rose McDermott in a recent paper for the Annual Review of Political Science. All the evidence suggests that those who place a high value on facts and see themselves as truth-seekers are no more likely to arrive at their political views through reason and analysis than swivel-eyed Eurosceptic loons. "
Interesting; I don't doubt it. If you listen to the programme, however, they go as far as they can to avoid labelling Leavers swivel-eyed Eurosceptic loons. They conducted a social attitudes survey to understand the measured rationale of why people voted Leave. At no point did they say such reasons were less valid than europhiles; the conclusions were interesting, I would be interested to hear peoples' responses.
"He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.
"That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.
He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".
He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.
He's not wrong. They have a fine line to walk - it serves them not to treat us like complete shit, but they cannot let it be seen that we are doing just fine and dandy.
Yes a major customer dependent upon £100bn of business a year is going to get tough with us........... FFS But there is no accounting for the level of stupidity by folk that run the EU.
There's a difference between being firm with us and being punitive. It is not to their benefit to be punitive, but it is to be firm. Some will call for the former but will be overrulled I'd think, but being firm is simply common sense. I don't know why people get so upset at the idea they will be firm. That doens't mean we cannot get a great deal, but we need to go in eyes open that they will need to to get a deal they can sell back home too, at least in perception.
Absolutely agree. They owe us nothing. It's not even a divorce. We resigned. We're leaving a large club. They have a set of collective national interests that need to be respected and a domestic political hinterland that will drive them as much as ours drive us.
We do have leverage, but so do they. That's just the way negotiations are.
How is May going to make this work with a majority of 12?
The honeymoon will be short.
She has a dozen Labour leavers plus Carswell to help with all things European, and those Labour MPs who are sitting anywhere other than London and Uni Towns must know they are on the wrong side of their electorate on the issue of the parliament.
But she doesn't have the patronage networks in place - the ones that have just been shattered - particularly Osborne's clique - is likely to be very bitter, whatever they say in public. There are 250 MPs on the backbenches who will all want pork. And the barrel is looking empty.
In a few months they will be focused on the boundary review and keeping their main job - being an MP.
The boundary review must be a high priority for the govt now, wonder if it's possible to bring it forward from 2018 given most of the work is already done? I imagine Corbyn would be of great help in getting it through, given it will mean almost all of his MPs would be up for reselection!
The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
Too sensible? I have to admit to being prejudiced against politicians from Poland's Justice and Law Party. Mr Waszczykowski was defending his party's controversial media censorship law on the grounds that it eradicated the diseases of bikers and vegetarians, which obviously are totally un-Polish
That sounds very reasonable to me, rather like Lord Vetinari hanging mime artists upside down in pits of scorpions.
Yes, but mime artists are a genuine public menace, not merely un-ankhmorporkian.
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
I wonder if he spoke in French and the Brits did not understand?
13th July = Rail minister Claire Perry admits she's considered quitting over Southern Rail 14th July = The fairy godmother that is Mrs May grants her wish. Good riddance.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Christopher Meyer @SirSocks To French embassy tonite for national day party. Boris addresses an adoring French crowd brilliantly. A few boos from Brits. Quelle ironie!
I wonder if he spoke in French and the Brits did not understand?
13th July = Rail minister Claire Perry admits she's considered quitting over Southern Rail 14th July = The fairy godmother that is Mrs May grants her wish. Good riddance.
I really hope Boris is a success but if he fail's there is nobody better to step into his shoes than one David Cameron
Yes but why would Cameron want Brexit to be a success?
Because he loves this country. Whatever else you can say about Cameron, you cannot accuse him of a lack of patriotism.
Apparently he always puts party before country, if you don't count those times he took options his party did not like because he thought it best for the country. I still think he was wrong on Brexit (ask me again in 12 months though), but I should think he is hoping Brexit is as good as it can be made, while still thinking it is not as good as Remain.
Wow. David Davis seems totally unaware that negotiations require the involvement of other parties. We're not even talking about initial negotiating positions.
Almost every one of those bullet points fall apart at the first prod.
Dangerous delusions.
His whole argument rests on how well we do at negotiating free trade agreements. If that goes well, Brexit will be a success.
There is a sobering corrective here by Anthony Hilton in the Standard What do we have to sell following the Brexit vote? As we know, the UK is weak on manufactured goods and strong on services. Trade agreements are invariably more open to goods than services. They are also reciprocal. We open ourselves up to the other party in exchange for them doing the same for us. With these trade deals we are open where we are weak on manufactured goods, but they remain closed where we are strong on services.
What!? You are praising a bunch of homophobes who passed a law in 2014 making homosexuality into a criminal offence (with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment). We (and others) stopped giving them aid because of it.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Man looks after his friends. A good and bad quality.
Bit early to say if it is a meritorious I'd have thought - time will tell if they are indeed worthy of the positions, and we can all hope they will be, but the fresh faces or massively promoted haven't had the opportunity to prove or disprove such a claim.
To be honest I'd be more worried about their record on gay rights, than anything Boris has said about them...
Maybe this is one time the Law of Unintended Consequences will work in our favour.
If Mr Johnson goes on stirring things up like this, the disorientated CS in the FCO are going to have plenty to worry about without giving a thought to the EU.
Should give davis plenty of cover to get on with it while the press are looking the other way.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
What!? You are praising a bunch of homophobes who passed a law in 2014 making homosexuality into a criminal offence (with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment). We (and others) stopped giving them aid because of it.
Let us not forget that Uganda has a shocking human rights record and is also one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
The illiberal left find friends in strange places.
13th July = Rail minister Claire Perry admits she's considered quitting over Southern Rail 14th July = The fairy godmother that is Mrs May grants her wish. Good riddance.
Thankfully earlier in the year, I already visited all the Southern stations out to Gatwick that were recently added to the London Oystercard network, as well as riding the entire Southern network outside London. Last bit I did was Barnham to Havant, Bedhampton to Cosham and Fareham to St Denys (Southampton).
Also, for the person who mentioned Pokemon Go. It was lifted from a game developed in Spain (Invizimals, by Novarama). Then brought to mobile as a blank canvas by Niantic in San Francisco, who then approached the Pokemon company about a mobile game using Pokemon with their concept. It took 2 years for them to convince Nintendo (33.3% shareholder in the Pokemon company and ultimate licence controller for the Pokemon brand) that mobile gaming was the future and a further 18 months to develop the game. While Pokemon is successful in its own right, it has taken a Spanish idea with an American developer to bring it into the modern era. Japan has lent the branding and done very little else.
£1m amongst (I guess) 100 is £10k each... Not much.
PlatoSaid said: Hmm Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?
Sunil J. Prasannan is calling for a complete and total shut-down of AV threads entering PB.com, until our forum's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!
I think I'd go for Trump. If only to know - just how BAD would he be? Trump is the embodiment of the big red DO NOT PRESS!! button. I can never resist them...
What!? You are praising a bunch of homophobes who passed a law in 2014 making homosexuality into a criminal offence (with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment). We (and others) stopped giving them aid because of it.
There are 13 countries where homosexuality carries the death sentence. Another 65 or so where its illegal. Iran is odd. It has the death penalty but in practice encourages gay people to have HT/SRS.
I always liked William Gibson's quote: "The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed."
Newsnight Nick "Mrs May told Osborne he had over promised and under delivered"!!! "Not done enough to champion deep economic reform".
So, not only did she kick his arse out of government and sent him skulking out the back door, she also sent him away with a flea in his ear! What a woman!
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
It's a bit more complicated than that
I'll bet it is. Hope its not taxpayers money for the extra.
13th July = Rail minister Claire Perry admits she's considered quitting over Southern Rail 14th July = The fairy godmother that is Mrs May grants her wish. Good riddance.
Thankfully earlier in the year, I already visited all the Southern stations out to Gatwick that were recently added to the London Oystercard network, as well as riding the entire Southern network outside London. Last bit I did was Barnham to Havant, Bedhampton to Cosham and Fareham to St Denys (Southampton).
As our rail expert, what is the reason that the Southampton St Mary's platform area is not used to move football supporters in and out on match days?
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
It's a bit more complicated than that
I'll bet it is. Hope its not taxpayers money for the extra.
What!? You are praising a bunch of homophobes who passed a law in 2014 making homosexuality into a criminal offence (with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment). We (and others) stopped giving them aid because of it.
There are 13 countries where homosexuality carries the death sentence. Another 65 or so where its illegal. Iran is odd. It has the death penalty but in practice encourages gay people to have HT/SRS.
I always liked William Gibson's quote: "The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed."
"BME cultures are, for the most part, more homophobic and misogynist than 'Evil Whitey' culture" - discuss
Rachel Sylvester has kept back a juicy Leadsom morsel:
"As an employer we're not - let's face it - most of us don't employ men as nannies, most of us don't. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats. Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I'm sorry but they're the facts." https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/753706058288332801
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
It's a bit more complicated than that
I'll bet it is. Hope its not taxpayers money for the extra.
It is taxpayers' money, but it is what is due per their contracts.
Someone in the new government decided to be shitty and open themselves to lots of compensation payments
Rachel Sylvester has kept back a juicy Leadsom morsel:
"As an employer we're not - let's face it - most of us don't employ men as nannies, most of us don't. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats. Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I'm sorry but they're the facts."
For those of you on here who think UKIP have any future please note that they couldn't even field a candidate in the Cornwall by-election they were defending.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
Wouldn't we all do the same for our staff, if they were being laid off because we had quit?
Cameron has refused his pension, so he deserves some credit here to be fair.
just seen the pictures....it's an HGV that has ploughed into the crowd.
The terrifying thing is that this is just so easy. A lorry. A crowd. A jihadist driver. Fifty dead. Simple as fuck.
How do you stop madness like that?
Is it confirmed as a jihadist?
And it doesn't seem like there is a way to stop lone wolf or group extremists. And no way to stop their spread. You stamp them down, they survive and then thrive on some new piece of dirt. A tiny tiny minority support even their purported aims, but it's still millions. About the best that can be done is stamp down as hard as you can and limit the damage for a time.
Sky news 30 dead at least. Stating "after a truck drove into a crowd of people"
May well be a attack but Keep in mind that we here have had incidents here where people have heart attack lost control and drove through / into crowds
However the media have been using the term attack from the get go, where as with like the bin lorry there was a lot to of caution about what had happened.
Rachel Sylvester has kept back a juicy Leadsom morsel:
"As an employer we're not - let's face it - most of us don't employ men as nannies, most of us don't. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats. Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I'm sorry but they're the facts."
For those of you on here who think UKIP have any future please note that they couldn't even field a candidate in the Cornwall by-election they were defending.
I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this but social conservative policies only work if enacted at the national level - it's why so many far-leftists seek to destroy the nation-state to banish it to history irreversibly. Socially liberal policies are imposed on councils whether UKIP are in or not
Rachel Sylvester has kept back a juicy Leadsom morsel:
"As an employer we're not - let's face it - most of us don't employ men as nannies, most of us don't. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats. Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I'm sorry but they're the facts."
Sky news 30 dead at least. Stating "after a truck drove into a crowd of people"
May well be a attack but Keep in mind that we here have had incidents here where people have heart attack lost control and drove through / into crowds
However the media have been using the term attack from the get go, where as with like the bin lorry there was a lot to of caution about what had happened.
The pictures show the front windscreen full of bullet holes. Looks like the French police were certainly treating it as an attack. Very sad.
Rachel Sylvester has kept back a juicy Leadsom morsel:
"As an employer we're not - let's face it - most of us don't employ men as nannies, most of us don't. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats. Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I'm sorry but they're the facts."
I'm a man but she's spot on. Don't see any issue, except maybe offending some overly sensitive metrosexuals.
I take it you wouldn't employ a Muslim as an airline pilot either?
No because Muslims weren't evolutionary designed to blow up planes, whereas women are purpose built for the scenario she describes through evolution. It's just science.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
It's a bit more complicated than that
I'll bet it is. Hope its not taxpayers money for the extra.
It is taxpayers' money, but it is what is due per their contracts.
Someone in the new government decided to be shitty and open themselves to lots of compensation payments
Why would the civil service recommend £280k then ?
Sky news 30 dead at least. Stating "after a truck drove into a crowd of people"
May well be a attack but Keep in mind that we here have had incidents here where people have heart attack lost control and drove through / into crowds
However the media have been using the term attack from the get go, where as with like the bin lorry there was a lot to of caution about what had happened.
I fear you may well be proved correct. RT reporting a possible firefight between driver and security forces ( please note these reports unconfirmed)
Note some pictures are very distressing so have not posted the link.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
It's a bit more complicated than that
I'll bet it is. Hope its not taxpayers money for the extra.
It is taxpayers' money, but it is what is due per their contracts.
Someone in the new government decided to be shitty and open themselves to lots of compensation payments
Why would the civil service recommend £280k then ?
I think the Civil Service suggested £750k and it was actually £1m.
But I'll not post any more on this subject for obvious reasons
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
It's a bit more complicated than that
I'll bet it is. Hope its not taxpayers money for the extra.
It is taxpayers' money, but it is what is due per their contracts.
Someone in the new government decided to be shitty and open themselves to lots of compensation payments
Why would the civil service recommend £280k then ?
I imagine the contracts contain mandatory and discretionary elements. The 280k is probably the bare minimum.
The terrifying thing is that this is just so easy. A lorry. A crowd. A jihadist driver. Fifty dead. Simple as fuck.
How do you stop madness like that?
Only by utter brutality and ruthlessness - ie the sort of thing Kim Il Jong would do to the person responsibles entire extended family and probably whole town if someone tried it on.
There was a dark ages european king who found that executing attacking vikings didnt put them off their attacks, so he started executing them by having his expert farriers skin them alive which apparently hurt rather a lot and made them decide to pillage elsewhere.
I'm not entirely convinced that the editorial board of The Guardian would entirely approve of such methods though.
Christopher Hope NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
Ugh.
It's a bit more complicated than that
I'll bet it is. Hope its not taxpayers money for the extra.
It is taxpayers' money, but it is what is due per their contracts.
Someone in the new government decided to be shitty and open themselves to lots of compensation payments
Why would the civil service recommend £280k then ?
I imagine the contracts contain mandatory and discretionary elements. The 280k is probably the bare minimum.
There seem to be cabinet office documents with the media.
I think I'd go for Trump. If only to know - just how BAD would he be? Trump is the embodiment of the big red DO NOT PRESS!! button. I can never resist them...
Ah, so that's why you voted Leave.
Him and millions like him sadly. We'll be picking up the pieces of the red button pressers for fucking years.
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"Britain’s diplomats need a shot of adrenaline that only Mr Johnson, with his panache and brio, can provide at this crucial point in our history. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/boris-johnson-and-the-foreign-office-are-a-perfect-fit/
(apart from you @John_M)
I know sky have the reputation of never long for wrong, but I highly doubt it on something this serious.
We do have leverage, but so do they. That's just the way negotiations are.
I never can get enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voK6C8tcIBY
14th July = The fairy godmother that is Mrs May grants her wish.
Good riddance.
Christopher Hope
NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
The plebs cabinet ;-)
I still think he was wrong on Brexit (ask me again in 12 months though), but I should think he is hoping Brexit is as good as it can be made, while still thinking it is not as good as Remain.
Does that compensate for the Brexit crunch?
We (and others) stopped giving them aid because of it.
"Not done enough to champion deep economic reform".
What a woman!
The illiberal left find friends in strange places.
Well, this is rather depressing.
More people fancy May over Corbyn as PM ***even if you excluded Tory voters***.
https://t.co/h4eAk0abzv
Nice incident now very serious -- reports of fatalities.
PlatoSaid said:
Hmm
Christopher Hope
NEW David Cameron over-ruled civil service advice and increased pay offs to some of his spads by £280,000 taking the total bill to over £1m.
I see Yvette Cooper shares my belief that we are getting a General Election sooner rather than later:
http://labourlist.org/2016/07/yvette-cooper-both-eagle-and-smith-could-be-leader-but-only-one-should-go-for-it/
I always liked William Gibson's quote: "The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
"As an employer we're not - let's face it - most of us don't employ men as nannies, most of us don't. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats. Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I'm sorry but they're the facts."
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/753706058288332801
Someone in the new government decided to be shitty and open themselves to lots of compensation payments
30 dead at least. Stating "after a truck drove into a crowd of people"
May well be a attack but Keep in mind that we here have had incidents here where people have heart attack lost control and drove through / into crowds
Cameron has refused his pension, so he deserves some credit here to be fair.
And it doesn't seem like there is a way to stop lone wolf or group extremists. And no way to stop their spread. You stamp them down, they survive and then thrive on some new piece of dirt. A tiny tiny minority support even their purported aims, but it's still millions. About the best that can be done is stamp down as hard as you can and limit the damage for a time.
Let's wait for more solid reportage. It could have been an accident.
Pictures of crowds running give some credence to the report of gunfire as well?
Note some pictures are very distressing so have not posted the link.
But I'll not post any more on this subject for obvious reasons
http://softpower30.portland-communications.com/ranking/
There was a dark ages european king who found that executing attacking vikings didnt put them off their attacks, so he started executing them by having his expert farriers skin them alive which apparently hurt rather a lot and made them decide to pillage elsewhere.
I'm not entirely convinced that the editorial board of The Guardian would entirely approve of such methods though.
https://twitter.com/Edsbrown/status/753679732919660546
http://twitter.com/Nice_Matin/status/753700953707126784/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw