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Wibsey (Lab defence) on Bradford
Result of council at last election (2016): Labour 49, Conservatives 21, Liberal Democrats 10, Independents 6, Green Party 3, United Kingdom Independence Party 1 (Labour majority of 8)
Result of ward at last election (2014): Labour 1,467 (42%), United Kingdom Independence Party 1,355 (39%), Conservative 499 (14%), Liberal Democrat 191 (5%)
Referendum Result:

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  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    First like Froome.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Finally something to talk about.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    FPT .. @Jobabob

    Broadly in line with most recent national polls 3-6 point Clinton lead. Exceptions were Rasmussen Trump +7 and IPSOS Clinton + 11
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    SUPER THURSDAY
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    The EU are always going to trip themselves up on foreign policy. Bless.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-ruling-eu-idUSKCN0ZU1DE?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5787e96504d3012c0f6f5d5c&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    JackW said:

    FPT .. @Jobabob

    Broadly in line with most recent national polls 3-6 point Clinton lead. Exceptions were Rasmussen Trump +7 and IPSOS Clinton + 11

    Thanks. It does now appear that those two were (somewhat wild) outliers
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Jonathan said:

    Finally something to talk about.

    :smiley:
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    SUPER THURSDAY

    Rubio Rising ?? .... :smile:
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    Thanks, Harry. Be interesting to see if the referendum / the change at the top of government / the troubles at the top of the Labour party make any unexpectedly different outcomes.
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    TOPPING said:

    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.

    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.

    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    And there are the ones on here who see what is happening in Europe and want to be as far away from it as possible when things (Greece, Italy, Deutsche Bank) finally blow up....
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SUPER THURSDAY

    Rubio Rising ?? .... :smile:
    Hillary at a backable price right now.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited July 2016
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    I do at the moment.

    For the money.

    It is entirely out of our hands though ;)
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    Only in the sense that I'd prefer Mrs Clinton not to be the first female POTUS.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    eek said:

    TOPPING said:

    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.

    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.

    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    And there are the ones on here who see what is happening in Europe and want to be as far away from it as possible when things (Greece, Italy, Deutsche Bank) finally blow up....
    To be clear we are exactly the same distance away from it. The only difference is that our economy is weaker.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Jonathan said:

    eek said:

    TOPPING said:

    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.

    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.

    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    And there are the ones on here who see what is happening in Europe and want to be as far away from it as possible when things (Greece, Italy, Deutsche Bank) finally blow up....
    To be clear we are exactly the same distance away from it. The only difference is that our economy is weaker.
    :+1:
  • pbr2013
    pbr2013 Posts: 649
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    I do. Perhaps I should re-phrase that. I'd prefer him to Clinton. She is obviously corrupt.
  • Disraeli
    Disraeli Posts: 1,106
    Wibsey (Lab defence) on Bradford
    - Labour have only a 3% lead over UKIP in second place.
    - Would be potentially interesting if UKIP had any sort of ground game

    Newquay, Treviglas (UKIP defence) and St. Teath and St. Breward (Ind defence) on Cornwall
    - LibDems are very good at locals, and have done well recently.
    - LibDem only 5% behind in Newquay, but must leap from 3rd place. 19% in the other seat, but only need to beat UKIP (so doable)
  • pbr2013
    pbr2013 Posts: 649
    edited July 2016
    Shirley now is the time for stuart truth to re-emerge.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Newuay, Treviglas looks exciting
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    edited July 2016
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Yep. All that voodoo socio-anthropological analysis.

    Edit: @John_M please don't respond.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Thanks for the replies.

    I'd don't like either Clinton or Trump for the record, but I consider Clinton to be the lesser evil. I don't really trust anyone in the Republican party right now.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    Plato, naturally.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    pbr2013 said:

    Shirley now is the time for stuart truth to re-emerge.

    Or @Cromwell
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    I'd like them both to lose. Neither are worthy of the presidency. However, gun to head, I'd choose Clinton.
  • pbr2013
    pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Pulpstar said:

    pbr2013 said:

    Shirley now is the time for stuart truth to re-emerge.

    Or @Cromwell
    *group hug*
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    John_M said:



    I'd like them both to lose.

    Do you realise how expensive that would be for some of us :p ?
  • CornishBlue
    CornishBlue Posts: 840
    Just tried watching "The Pledge" on Sky News.

    Deary me.
  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    pbr2013 said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    I do. Perhaps I should re-phrase that. I'd prefer him to Clinton. She is obviously corrupt.
    Agreed x100
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    not_on_fire said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    Plato, naturally.
    Trumps a bit too liberal and conventional for Platos tastes..
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    Pulpstar said:

    John_M said:



    I'd like them both to lose.

    Do you realise how expensive that would be for some of us :p ?
    You make a strong point ;).
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    John_M said:

    Pulpstar said:

    John_M said:



    I'd like them both to lose.

    Do you realise how expensive that would be for some of us :p ?
    You make a strong point ;).
    Thank you for having the courtesy of obeying my non-response instruction.
  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited July 2016
    John_M said:

    The EU are always going to trip themselves up on foreign policy. Bless.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-ruling-eu-idUSKCN0ZU1DE?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5787e96504d3012c0f6f5d5c&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

    LOL, typical EU:

    "Despite U.S. pressure on the European Union to take a stand on the issue, the bloc has so far been unable to agree a common statement, leaving diplomats to argue over the wording acceptable to all 28 member states."
  • pbr2013
    pbr2013 Posts: 649
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Thanks for the replies.

    I'd don't like either Clinton or Trump for the record, but I consider Clinton to be the lesser evil. I don't really trust anyone in the Republican party right now.

    But it seems entirely clear that Clinton traded pay to play when she was SoS. Corrupt. Whatever you don't like about Trump he has never played that game. Boris looks totally respectable compared to either of them.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Disraeli said:

    Wibsey (Lab defence) on Bradford
    - Labour have only a 3% lead over UKIP in second place.
    - Would be potentially interesting if UKIP had any sort of ground game

    Newquay, Treviglas (UKIP defence) and St. Teath and St. Breward (Ind defence) on Cornwall
    - LibDems are very good at locals, and have done well recently.
    - LibDem only 5% behind in Newquay, but must leap from 3rd place. 19% in the other seat, but only need to beat UKIP (so doable)

    UKIP have given up in Cornwall and are not standing in either seat
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    John_M said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    I'd like them both to lose. Neither are worthy of the presidency. However, gun to head, I'd choose Clinton.
    That's precisely how I feel. Trump would be a disaster, interesting and good for my bank balance, but a disaster. Clinton isn't going to be a lot better, in fact in some cases she will be worse, but overall she will be marginally better and the US will remove her four years later for a better Republican.
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited July 2016
    Polish foreign minister warns Brexit could have a domino effect

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poland-idUKKCN0ZU2AQ?il=0

    "He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.

    "That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.

    He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".

    He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MarkSenior said:

    Disraeli said:

    Wibsey (Lab defence) on Bradford
    - Labour have only a 3% lead over UKIP in second place.
    - Would be potentially interesting if UKIP had any sort of ground game

    Newquay, Treviglas (UKIP defence) and St. Teath and St. Breward (Ind defence) on Cornwall
    - LibDems are very good at locals, and have done well recently.
    - LibDem only 5% behind in Newquay, but must leap from 3rd place. 19% in the other seat, but only need to beat UKIP (so doable)

    UKIP have given up in Cornwall and are not standing in either seat
    Their local organisation does seem quite hopeless in places - it is something Woolfe is looking to change.
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    pbr2013 said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Thanks for the replies.

    I'd don't like either Clinton or Trump for the record, but I consider Clinton to be the lesser evil. I don't really trust anyone in the Republican party right now.

    But it seems entirely clear that Clinton traded pay to play when she was SoS. Corrupt. Whatever you don't like about Trump he has never played that game. Boris looks totally respectable compared to either of them.
    We are having bumper stickers made up which read "Vote Trump. He'll be easier to impeach"
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    edited July 2016
    The narrative that all leavers are poor stupid little Englanders not only offensive, but nonsense. Places like surrey was basically 50/50 & the demographics there are stuffed full of rich, educated & successful types.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Knowing what "pastiche" means not your specialised subject.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Possibly. But he's got the measure of you!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    CornishBlue said:

    Just tried watching "The Pledge" on Sky News.

    Deary me.

    Brexit bop was quite funny.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    The US may come down to "Vote for the Crook, not the Fascist"
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Ishmael_X said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Knowing what "pastiche" means not your specialised subject.
    Don't make me quote the definition.

    Hint: I was the artist whose style you were imitating. Poorly.
  • CornishBlue
    CornishBlue Posts: 840
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The narrative that all leavers are poor stupid little Englanders not only offensive, but nonsense. Places like surrey was basically 50/50 & the demographics there are stuffed full of rich, educated & successful types.

    The BBC, Channel 4 and The Guardian don't want to hear or know.

    Leave them in their own bubble. Really, why should we care about their ignorance? It just means that those in that bubble continue to make political (electoral) mistakes. It's one of the reasons behind the surprise successes of both the Tories in 2015 and Leave in this year's ref.
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    chestnut said:

    Polish foreign minister warns Brexit could have a domino effect

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poland-idUKKCN0ZU2AQ?il=0

    "He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.

    "That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.

    He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".

    He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".

    The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
  • TwistedFireStopper
    TwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    not_on_fire said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    Plato, naturally.
    Does anybody else find certain PBers' "fascination" with Plato a bit disturbing?
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    chestnut said:

    Polish foreign minister warns Brexit could have a domino effect

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poland-idUKKCN0ZU2AQ?il=0

    "He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.

    "That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.

    He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".

    He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".

    Sounds a bit like "asking on behalf of a friend".
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited July 2016
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    The US may come down to "Vote for the Crook, not the Fascist"

    See my prior post ... (at 8:02pm)
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    John_M said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    I'd like them both to lose. Neither are worthy of the presidency. However, gun to head, I'd choose Clinton.
    I think I'd go for Trump. If only to know - just how BAD would he be? Trump is the embodiment of the big red DO NOT PRESS!! button. I can never resist them...

    I suspect he would be quite centrist when in power, though.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    MTimT said:

    chestnut said:

    Polish foreign minister warns Brexit could have a domino effect

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poland-idUKKCN0ZU2AQ?il=0

    "He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.

    "That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.

    He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".

    He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".

    The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
    The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.

    Oh, and this:
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/753682339532836868
  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited July 2016
    TwistedFireStopper said:

    not_on_fire said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    Plato, naturally.
    Does anybody else find certain PBers' "fascination" with Plato a bit disturbing?
    There is a slight whiff of misogyny about certain posters obsession with her.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    MarqueeMark said:

    John_M said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    I'd like them both to lose. Neither are worthy of the presidency. However, gun to head, I'd choose Clinton.
    I think I'd go for Trump. If only to know - just how BAD would he be? Trump is the embodiment of the big red DO NOT PRESS!! button. I can never resist them...

    I suspect he would be quite centrist when in power, though.
    Every time I see Trump, I have flashbacks to "The Dead Zone".
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    CornishBlue said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The narrative that all leavers are poor stupid little Englanders not only offensive, but nonsense. Places like surrey was basically 50/50 & the demographics there are stuffed full of rich, educated & successful types.

    The BBC, Channel 4 and The Guardian don't want to hear or know.

    Leave them in their own bubble. Really, why should we care about their ignorance? It just means that those in that bubble continue to make political (electoral) mistakes. It's one of the reasons behind the surprise successes of both the Tories in 2015 and Leave in this year's ref.
    Channel 4 and The Guardian I can avoid buying. The Beeb? Not so much
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    John_M said:

    MTimT said:

    chestnut said:

    Polish foreign minister warns Brexit could have a domino effect

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poland-idUKKCN0ZU2AQ?il=0

    "He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.

    "That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.

    He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".

    He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".

    The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
    The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.

    Oh, and this:

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/753682339532836868
    Brexit is like a bad divorce. The ex provides ample evidence each day that you made the right decision.
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Possibly. But he's got the measure of you!
    Yep. @Ishmael_X vs wide-ranging academic social attitudes study.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Possibly. But he's got the measure of you!
    Yep. @Ishmael_X vs wide-ranging academic social attitudes study.
    It's why I think Remainers will "win" in the end.

    I just haven't worked out how yet! :smiley:
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    Jonathan said:

    not_on_fire said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    Plato, naturally.
    Trumps a bit too liberal and conventional for Platos tastes..
    Give it a rest. She's not even posting in here at the moment.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Has BIS been abolished?

    Official government website still shows it with Anna Soubry listed as its most senior minister (though not attending Cabinet).

    Though Greg Clark not listed as a Cabinet Minister which appears to be wrong.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers
  • TwistedFireStopper
    TwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    DavidL said:

    On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?

    Leicester City haven't got a stadium in Manchester....
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    edited July 2016
    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Knowing what "pastiche" means not your specialised subject.
    Don't make me quote the definition.

    Hint: I was the artist whose style you were imitating. Poorly.
    Don't be silly. You stated someone else's conclusions, omitting the reasoning "for reasons of space" and I exhibited the point that the conclusions could be stood on their head on grounds which look distinctly plausible to me; and at least I had the courtesy to provide some grounds, not omit them "for reasons of space". That is all about logic, rather than style.

    fwiw I voted remain, but I don't find it easy to classify 52% of the voting public as "small-minded", and if I did I would have the manners to keep it to myself.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    MikeL said:

    Has BIS been abolished?

    Official government website still shows it with Anna Soubry listed as its most senior minister (though not attending Cabinet).

    Though Greg Clark not listed as a Cabinet Minister which appears to be wrong.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers

    It's Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy under Greg Clarke now.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Jobabob said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Possibly. But he's got the measure of you!
    Yep. @Ishmael_X vs wide-ranging academic social attitudes study.
    It's why I think Remainers will "win" in the end.

    I just haven't worked out how yet! :smiley:
    Remainers will win (sort of) at GEs because the non voters who swung it for Brexit don't bother to turn out more than once every 40 years.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited July 2016
    John_M said:

    MikeL said:

    Has BIS been abolished?

    Official government website still shows it with Anna Soubry listed as its most senior minister (though not attending Cabinet).

    Though Greg Clark not listed as a Cabinet Minister which appears to be wrong.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers

    It's Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy under Greg Clarke now.
    That's what I thought - so basically the official Government website is wrong.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Thanks Harry for keeping these running among the political chaos elsewhere. Will be a great resource to look back at the results in the future.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Possibly. But he's got the measure of you!
    Yep. @Ishmael_X vs wide-ranging academic social attitudes study.
    It's why I think Remainers will "win" in the end.

    I just haven't worked out how yet! :smiley:
    Remainers will win (sort of) at GEs because the non voters who swung it for Brexit don't bother to turn out more than once every 40 years.
    You think they will stop voting if Brexit isn't delivered? Bold....
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    DavidL said:

    On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?

    All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below

    https://www.malmaison.com/locations/manchester/smoak-bar-grill/

    Also the Hilton and Radisson hotels do some decent food and they are open most of Saturday
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    TwistedFireStopper said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?

    Leicester City haven't got a stadium in Manchester....
    Very true but about the lasagne.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    Sick burn. And Boris such an expert on Ugandan discussions.

    https://twitter.com/JoeWSJ/status/753640209460367361
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Possibly. But he's got the measure of you!
    Yep. @Ishmael_X vs wide-ranging academic social attitudes study.
    It's why I think Remainers will "win" in the end.

    I just haven't worked out how yet! :smiley:
    Remainers will win (sort of) at GEs because the non voters who swung it for Brexit don't bother to turn out more than once every 40 years.
    :):):)
  • BigRich
    BigRich Posts: 3,492
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Is there anyone on PB (besides RodCrosby and blackburn) who wants a Trump presidency?

    No, A Trump Presidency is likely to be very bad, but so would a Hillary Presidency!

    That's (Partly) why I'm so keen on the libertarian ticked Gary Johnson/Bill Weld!

    and at 11% or 12% in some poles it not impossible that he gets in the Debates.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD8gJt7weU


    Anybody else on hear 'feeling the Johnson' so to speak?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Sick burn. And Boris such an expert on Ugandan discussions.

    https://twitter.com/JoeWSJ/status/753640209460367361

    To be honest I'd be more worried about their record on gay rights, than anything Boris has said about them...
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    @Jobabob Come and join the Lib Dems mate - none of that Corbyn nonsense here :)

  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Sick burn. And Boris such an expert on Ugandan discussions.

    https://twitter.com/JoeWSJ/status/753640209460367361

    Talking bollocks. The UK is regularly considered either the top or one of the top countries in the world for soft power.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?

    All the truly best places, such as Hard Rock, are rammed on Saturdays in Manchester. If you can hang fire until until 6pm, the Malmaison in the centre of Manchester do some really nice food, book below

    https://www.malmaison.com/locations/manchester/smoak-bar-grill/

    Also the Hilton and Radisson hotels do some decent food and they are open most of Saturday
    The malmaison menu looks superb but there is no lasagne so it won't do.
  • Bromptonaut
    Bromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    edited July 2016
    Question: Robert Goodwill still listed as a Transport Minister. Is that because he's remaining in post, or just that the reshuffle hasn't reached his level yet?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    edited July 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    @Jobabob Come and join the Lib Dems mate - none of that Corbyn nonsense here :)

    Are just trying to get a couple more people so you can get that discount on the bigger taxi?
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    TOPPING said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Possibly. But he's got the measure of you!
    Yep. @Ishmael_X vs wide-ranging academic social attitudes study.
    It's why I think Remainers will "win" in the end.

    I just haven't worked out how yet! :smiley:
    Remainers will win (sort of) at GEs because the non voters who swung it for Brexit don't bother to turn out more than once every 40 years.
    TBF their vote proabably had more impact than the last 8 general elections added together.

    Remarkable efficent use of time if you ask me
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    MP_SE said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Sick burn. And Boris such an expert on Ugandan discussions.

    https://twitter.com/JoeWSJ/status/753640209460367361

    Talking bollocks. The UK is regularly considered either the top or one of the top countries in the world for soft power.
    You're in danger of looking like you really care about the opinion of a Ugandan government spokesman.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MTimT said:

    pbr2013 said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Thanks for the replies.

    I'd don't like either Clinton or Trump for the record, but I consider Clinton to be the lesser evil. I don't really trust anyone in the Republican party right now.

    But it seems entirely clear that Clinton traded pay to play when she was SoS. Corrupt. Whatever you don't like about Trump he has never played that game. Boris looks totally respectable compared to either of them.
    We are having bumper stickers made up which read "Vote Trump. He'll be easier to impeach"
    :smiley:
  • CornishBlue
    CornishBlue Posts: 840
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Sick burn. And Boris such an expert on Ugandan discussions.

    https://twitter.com/JoeWSJ/status/753640209460367361

    Hmm. Uganda, that mighty power... remind me again why I should give a flying fck about what their government thinks of us?

    United Kingdom GDP $2,849,345,000,000
    Uganda GDP $24,740,000,000

    A mere 116 times smaller than us.

    (lol)
  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Pulpstar said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Disraeli said:

    Wibsey (Lab defence) on Bradford
    - Labour have only a 3% lead over UKIP in second place.
    - Would be potentially interesting if UKIP had any sort of ground game

    Newquay, Treviglas (UKIP defence) and St. Teath and St. Breward (Ind defence) on Cornwall
    - LibDems are very good at locals, and have done well recently.
    - LibDem only 5% behind in Newquay, but must leap from 3rd place. 19% in the other seat, but only need to beat UKIP (so doable)

    UKIP have given up in Cornwall and are not standing in either seat
    Their local organisation does seem quite hopeless in places - it is something Woolfe is looking to change.
    Does UKIP have a strong local organisation anywhere?

  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    Pulpstar said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Sick burn. And Boris such an expert on Ugandan discussions.

    https://twitter.com/JoeWSJ/status/753640209460367361

    To be honest I'd be more worried about their record on gay rights, than anything Boris has said about them...
    Maybe this is one time the Law of Unintended Consequences will work in our favour.

    If Mr Johnson goes on stirring things up like this, the disorientated CS in the FCO are going to have plenty to worry about without giving a thought to the EU.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    Theuniondivvie said:

    MP_SE said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Sick burn. And Boris such an expert on Ugandan discussions.

    https://twitter.com/JoeWSJ/status/753640209460367361

    Talking bollocks. The UK is regularly considered either the top or one of the top countries in the world for soft power.
    You're in danger of looking like you really care about the opinion of a Ugandan government spokesman.
    I would concede that I'd be terrified at the prospect of playing them at football.
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    MarkSenior said:

    Disraeli said:

    Wibsey (Lab defence) on Bradford
    - Labour have only a 3% lead over UKIP in second place.
    - Would be potentially interesting if UKIP had any sort of ground game

    Newquay, Treviglas (UKIP defence) and St. Teath and St. Breward (Ind defence) on Cornwall
    - LibDems are very good at locals, and have done well recently.
    - LibDem only 5% behind in Newquay, but must leap from 3rd place. 19% in the other seat, but only need to beat UKIP (so doable)

    UKIP have given up in Cornwall and are not standing in either seat
    UKIPs ground game is abysmal as a ukip activist said to me when leafleting with vote Leave "I like this much more organised then ukip". Although I think we could have been even more organised, we would have had a better Leave vote in inner London.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    image

    Matt.
  • MarcKlein
    MarcKlein Posts: 36
    edited July 2016
    image
    That is the poster that's going to win this thing for Trump, isn't it?

    Brilliant!
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    Bromptonaut said:

    Question: Robert Goodwill still listed as a Transport Minister. Is that because he's remaining in post, or just that the reshuffle hasn't reached his level yet?

    Correct. Only Cabinet so far; the junior ranks' announcements will be over the next couple of days.
  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    DavidL said:

    TwistedFireStopper said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters DavidL junior is 13 on Saturday and we are going to be in Manchester to see the stadium of the greatest club in the world and he is doing that sky diving thing where you get held up by blasts of air. After that we will be going out for tea and David will be wanting his lasagne on which he is a renowned expert. Can anyone suggest a good place to get said lasagne with a 13 year old in central Manchester?

    Leicester City haven't got a stadium in Manchester....
    Very true but about the lasagne.
    Tripadvisor is your friend -- drill down to Manchester > restaurants, then under cuisine on the left, hit the more button and type lasagne into the box. Sort by ratings.

    Having said that, remember TSE's warning about restaurants being full Saturday nights.
  • paulyork64
    paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    Whereas in fact the type of Remainer who still identifies as a Remainer is small-mindedly pursuing an historical grudge, scared of Brexit, looking to an idealised past when we were contented, carefree members of the lovely lovely EU, fearful of a future outside it and fearful of taking our place in a wider world where we have to deal directly with strange people from different continents. Ironically.
    Hmm.

    Pastiche not your strong point.
    Knowing what "pastiche" means not your specialised subject.
    Don't make me quote the definition.

    Hint: I was the artist whose style you were imitating. Poorly.
    Is it the best selling item on the menu at the Paris branch of Greggs?
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    So the BBC run a programme smearing all the LEAVErs that are in the 52%?

    TOPPING said:
    Interesting prog on R4 now about what makes people leavers or Remainers.
    It is saying Leavers are small-minded, scared, looking to an idealised past and fearful of the future and outsiders.
    I am summarising for reasons of space.

    It does sound like confirmation bias.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MTimT said:

    John_M said:

    MTimT said:

    chestnut said:

    Polish foreign minister warns Brexit could have a domino effect

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poland-idUKKCN0ZU2AQ?il=0

    "He also criticised Germany for a post-Brexit meeting that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier held with the European Union's six founding members. Waszczykowski said small groups should not be able to make decisions and then force these on to others.

    "That's a recipe for catastrophe," he said.

    He said he thought Britons had voted to leave the EU due to "thoughtless actions by the European elite who want to push through 'even more Europe'".

    He said another feeling that had probably played a role in Britain's decision was "that Europe interferes in areas that should be solely controlled by the member states themselves".

    The article made me want to give him honorary British citizenship. He is clearly too sensible for the EU.
    The only regret I have for Brexit is we're abandoning Poland to their fate. On the other hand, they're terrible on LGBT issues, so I can channel my inner lefty and say they deserve it.

    Oh, and this:

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/753682339532836868
    Brexit is like a bad divorce. The ex provides ample evidence each day that you made the right decision.
    Some of the utterances from the Euro elite are remarkably stupid / frank.

    It's as if they're forever forgetting to turn their mikes off.
  • Bromptonaut
    Bromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    JohnO said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    Question: Robert Goodwill still listed as a Transport Minister. Is that because he's remaining in post, or just that the reshuffle hasn't reached his level yet?

    Correct. Only Cabinet so far; the junior ranks' announcements will be over the next couple of days.
    Thanks. Have a professional interest. Goodwill is competent but not particularly bright.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    anotherDave said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Disraeli said:

    Wibsey (Lab defence) on Bradford
    - Labour have only a 3% lead over UKIP in second place.
    - Would be potentially interesting if UKIP had any sort of ground game

    Newquay, Treviglas (UKIP defence) and St. Teath and St. Breward (Ind defence) on Cornwall
    - LibDems are very good at locals, and have done well recently.
    - LibDem only 5% behind in Newquay, but must leap from 3rd place. 19% in the other seat, but only need to beat UKIP (so doable)

    UKIP have given up in Cornwall and are not standing in either seat
    Their local organisation does seem quite hopeless in places - it is something Woolfe is looking to change.
    Does UKIP have a strong local organisation anywhere?

    Thames Estuary, North Kent, and parts of Eastern England.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    John_M said:

    image

    Matt.

    Genuine :smiley:

    He's been on fire these last few weeks
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