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  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    MaxPB said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Greg Clark is Business Secretary.

    A true non-job at the moment. Surprised to see that it hasn't been merged into energy and transport.
    It's actually Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    MaxPB said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Greg Clark is Business Secretary.

    A true non-job at the moment. Surprised to see that it hasn't been merged into energy and transport.
    It looks like it has to be fair seeing some posts (before) and after mine. It's now 'Business, Energy, and Industrial' Secretary.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    PlatoSaid said:

    Greg Clark - Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy

    BusEnIs Secretary?
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    DECC the first faller, then.

    Chief Sec & Cabinet office to come, plus culture, wales and scotland
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    John_M said:

    Brokenshire to NI.

    NI's seventh county?

    (I'll get me coat...)
    That was actually quite good, lol.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I think Andrea Leadsom at DEFRA is a great appointment, given she taught Old McDonald everything he knew.

    "Theresa may have foreign affairs, taxes, public spending, but I have cows"
    I am most uncharitable to Mrs Leadsom in my weekend piece.
    I don't know why everyone on here hates Andrea L. She just seems like a nice (if rather naive and inexperienced) lady. Can't people just wish her well instead of being nasty.
    The right wing frothers have taken against her GIN.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    DECC the first faller, then.

    Chief Sec & Cabinet office to come, plus culture, wales and scotland

    Welsh Sec in #10 now.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbclaurak: Priti Patel goes to DFID
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    Priti gets International Development.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    Morris_Dancer said:

    When will the mandatory re-selection decision be made, and could a new leader veto it?

    At Annual Conference and no it can't be vetoed by the leader.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Priti going to International Development
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    HaroldO said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    But then we take away the drive to improve that the private sector has brought to the process. If the railways had stayed nationalised would they have expanded like they have in the last 20 years?
    What needs to happen is a clear plan of how to at least bring the current system under control, if this requires more state control then I am happy but I don't think governmental control is a panacea.
    Just saying, as PB's most avid trainspotter and route-basher extraordinaire (my Baker Atlas has been defaced with tons of ink in the last two years!), I don't really mind who runs the railways as long as they are run well.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    MaxPB said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Greg Clark is Business Secretary.

    A true non-job at the moment. Surprised to see that it hasn't been merged into energy and transport.
    Oh OK, it has. Should have merged transport in as well and put Grayling in charge.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Priti going to International Development

    Good news.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Not heard Zac Goldsmith's name mentioned. - not posh enough?
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Priti Patel goes to DFID

    No prisoners taken alive there. Good hard nosed move.
  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 897
    Pauly said:

    I expect Business and DECC to merge into Infrastructure or something similarly named.

    I called it... :)
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Priti going to International Development

    Sunil whistles innocently:

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/744654232469504001
  • Chris
    Chris Posts: 12,059
    GIN1138 said:


    I don't know why everyone on here hates Andrea L. She just seems like a nice (if rather naive and inexperienced) lady. Can't people just wish her well instead of being nasty.

    Yes, I'm sure the lies and the backbiting were all sheer illusion, and butter really wouldn't melt in her sweet little mouth.

    Anyhow, I only hope she doesn't have to deal with another outbreak of Mad Cow Disease ...
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    If she's going to go for Heathrow, she needs to do it very soon whilst she's still got the political momentum and any opposition is still reeling from the firm smack of her kitten heels - and whilst Boris' ego is still being smoothed by measuring the thickness of the carpet pile at the Foreign Office.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    This is becoming interminable now, I just wish they'd get on with it. I'm approaching Corbyn reshuffle levels of boredom now. Actually had to do some real work today instead.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Miss Plato, only if the 0.7% is dropped, otherwise this'll harm Patel's leadership prospects enormously.

    Mr. O, cheers for that info. So it'll be a general vote of members?

    Even if Corbyn loses the leadership, this could be rather bad for Labour.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MaxPB said:

    Actually had to do some real work today instead.

    Good god !

    Desperate stuff.

    The Tour de France is on btw.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    If she's going to go for Heathrow, she needs to do it very soon whilst she's still got the political momentum and any opposition is still reeling from the firm smack of her kitten heels - and whilst Boris' ego is still being smoothed by measuring the thickness of the carpet pile at the Foreign Office.

    Yes, announce it tomorrow and get the JCBs digging everything up.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The comments today by the German and French foreign ministers shows they're seriously frit about the EU breaking up.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    MaxPB said:

    This is becoming interminable now, I just wish they'd get on with it. I'm approaching Corbyn reshuffle levels of boredom now. Actually had to do some real work today instead.

    "I'm approaching Corbyn reshuffle levels of boredom now"

    Fear not – you have that to come.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    SimonStClare said:

    Not heard Zac Goldsmith's name mentioned. - not posh enough?

    He was the future (of London) once.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Karen Bradley MP as Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Sky News - Cairns stays at Wales
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    Froome going Froome going....beast mode....
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Okay so DECC got the choppity chop, but we still have one too many departments.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Karen Bradley MP as Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.

    Who is she?
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213
    MaxPB said:

    Greg Clark is Business Secretary.

    A true non-job at the moment. Surprised to see that it hasn't been merged into energy and transport.

    There will likely be a fair amount of post-Brexit regulatory issues to sort out
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    AndyJS said:

    The comments today by the German and French foreign ministers shows they're seriously frit about the EU breaking up.

    I did enjoy Boris describing their reaction as "well, it's understandable that some think bits of plaster are falling from the ceiling"

    :smiley:
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Good job there are no points for style in the Tour De France - Chris Froome going to head to full on stem staring nutjob speedmerchant soon.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited July 2016
    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' cabinet in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Chief Sec, Commons Leader and Scotland to come.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Morris_Dancer said:

    When will the mandatory re-selection decision be made, and could a new leader veto it?


    Ain't gonna happen. Unions (other than Unite) going cool on Corbyn and they won't want to visit yet more chaos on an already chaotic party.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    JackW said:

    Chief Sec, Commons Leader and Scotland to come.

    Also confirmation on hangers on.

  • rural_voter
    rural_voter Posts: 2,038
    HaroldO said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    But then we take away the drive to improve that the private sector has brought to the process. If the railways had stayed nationalised would they have expanded like they have in the last 20 years?
    What needs to happen is a clear plan of how to at least bring the current system under control, if this requires more state control then I am happy but I don't think governmental control is a panacea.
    There was less day to day control under BR. The Board was to some extent given a commercial objective and left to get on with it. Private Eye Signal Failures sets out ad nauseam how DfT civil servants now micromanage the running of the railways. But scrapping the franchises would be politically embarrassing so doesn't get onto the agenda.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Boris was a scholarship kid, of course.
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    How many in the Shadow Cabinet?
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Boris on a scholarship.
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Charles said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    This is pre-Brexit thinking. There's going to be less economic activity, fewer people, less money. You just don't need as much infrastructure as you would have.

    That said, how are people in Britain getting their internet of they don't have fibre? It's not still going over1890s-standard copper wire is it?

    Yes it is! Fibre broadband infrastructure is mainly rolled out by private monopoly BT Openreach. In practice it means things like this - my estate was built from 2005 and is 700 mainly middle-class style homes. Openreach did their Broadband survey in 2004. According to them - and I asked them - we don't exist on their map which is why they won't upgrade our cabinet despite having done the ones on either side.

    Supposedly private industry removes idiotic state monolith thinking. With BT it got worse. But despite the huge economic benefits of superfast - people can work from home more and travel less - its getting rolled out at snails pace.
    My entire town is still waiting for fibre. And it's only 60 miles outside London, hardly a remote corner of England.
    I live in a house built in 2013 in a major city. We get 1.5 to 5 meg through BT. The developers didn't bother working with any other providers to enable cable services, so we are stuck with BT. BT won't upgrade the cabinets. I live 1.5 miles from the city centre.
    I live miles outside London, in a run down house from the 1850s. My broadband works fine :)

    A lot of suburban properties in towns seem to get very good broadband, but in the centre the speed drops off.

    Not sure why. Congestion? Age of wiring?

  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    I really hope Froome is clean...because the way he has broken the Peleton on a number of occasions is amazing.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    FF43 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Greg Clark is Business Secretary.

    A true non-job at the moment. Surprised to see that it hasn't been merged into energy and transport.

    There will likely be a fair amount of post-Brexit regulatory issues to sort out
    You are forgetting the industrial strategy bit. May specifically mentioned this in her maiden PM speech IIRC.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    So where on earth is IDS going? Since he was reported to be going into Downing Street earlier on today?

    Also, Priti has this incredibly smug smile on her face at all times.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited July 2016
    david_herdson said:

    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    How many in the Shadow Cabinet?
    I added cabinet (as in government) to my post.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    May ought to have demanded assurances from Boris and Greening that they would support whatever decision is made over Heathrow/Gatwick. Maybe the decision will be determined by a majority vote in the cabinet?
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I think Andrea Leadsom at DEFRA is a great appointment, given she taught Old McDonald everything he knew.

    "Theresa may have foreign affairs, taxes, public spending, but I have cows"
    I am most uncharitable to Mrs Leadsom in my weekend piece.
    I don't know why everyone on here hates Andrea L. She just seems like a nice (if rather naive and inexperienced) lady. Can't people just wish her well instead of being nasty.
    The right wing frothers have taken against her GIN.
    Certainly seems that way Malc. :)
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Karen Bradley MP as Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.

    Who is she?
    Her Majesty is the Queen of Great Britain and NI, and a load of Commonwealth stuff.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    Urrrm, you do realise that Southern is one of the many operators who actually return money to the treasury for operating trains? (Table 1.7 of (1))

    Last year train operators returned a net ~800 million to the government. I don't care who runs them as long as they continue doing so profitably.

    (1): http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    Johnson is still privately educated; should add Hunt to the list.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' cabinet in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Us former public schoolboys are such a persecuted minority.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    rottenborough said:

    FF43 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Greg Clark is Business Secretary.

    A true non-job at the moment. Surprised to see that it hasn't been merged into energy and transport.

    There will likely be a fair amount of post-Brexit regulatory issues to sort out
    You are forgetting the industrial strategy bit. May specifically mentioned this in her maiden PM speech IIRC.
    Con home is summarising all of Nick Timothy's essays on their site. If you want to know where May is coming from, look no further.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    rottenborough said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Karen Bradley MP as Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.

    Who is she?
    Her Majesty is the Queen of Great Britain and NI, and a load of Commonwealth stuff.
    Very funny.

    Seriously, I know nearly absolutely nothing about Karen Bradley. It used to be absolutely nothing until Vicky Young stated a few minutes ago that she worked with Thersea May in the Home Office (alongside James Brokenshire).
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited July 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' cabinet in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Us former public schoolboys are such a persecuted minority.
    Ahem, "We" public schoolboys...

    ....We Grammar Schoolboys, Theresa, Damian and I have to stick together.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited July 2016
    The_Apocalypse said:

    So where on earth is IDS going? Since he was reported to be going into Downing Street earlier on today?

    Perhaps he was offered a job but declined? Or... IDS = DPM just to troll the whole of PB ;)
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Karen Bradley MP as Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.

    Who is she?
    I keep mis-reading her as Karren Brady :lol:
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    edited July 2016
    Fuck fuck fuck Froome has no bike...there is going to be hell to pay over this. I suspect something dodgy has been going on here.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' cabinet in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Us former public schoolboys are such a persecuted minority.
    Ahem, "We" public schoolboys...

    ....We Grammar Schoolboys, Theresa, Damian and I have to stick together.
    I'm showing off my Northern roots there
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' cabinet in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Us former public schoolboys are such a persecuted minority.
    Ahem, "We" public schoolboys...

    ....We Grammar Schoolboys, Theresa, Damian and I have to stick together.
    Indeed we do!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    JohnO said:

    Johnson is still privately educated; should add Hunt to the list.

    Any news on your peerage, sir? :D
  • frpenkridge
    frpenkridge Posts: 670
    The EU is falling apart. The French can't even organise the Tour de France these days.
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    Deutsche Bahn also own Great Central, Chiltern and I believe Northern Rail....
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Interesting observation from James Forsyth: This reshuffle has institutionally weakened both the Foreign Office and the Treasury
  • MP_SE
    MP_SE Posts: 3,642
    The_Apocalypse said:

    So where on earth is IDS going? Since he was reported to be going into Downing Street earlier on today?

    Also, Priti has this incredibly smug smile on her face at all times.

    I wish Priti got Chief Whip.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited July 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    So where on earth is IDS going? Since he was reported to be going into Downing Street earlier on today?

    Perhaps he was offered a job but declined? Or... IDS = DPM just to troll the whole of PB ;)
    DPM is a total non-job. The only thing is that IDS in PMQs would be car-crash TV.

    @Sunil_Prasannan Brady reminds me of Nicky Morgan for some reason.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    CarlottaVance said:

    Interesting observation from James Forsyth: This reshuffle has institutionally weakened both the Foreign Office and the Treasury

    IDS was suggesting the Treasury should be broken up. Maybe this is the start.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    edited July 2016
    eek said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    Deutsche Bahn also own Great Central, Chiltern and I believe Northern Rail....
    By contrast, GoVia have a HUGE empire covering London Midland, Southern, Southeastern, Gatwick Express, Great Northern and Thameslink

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govia
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    Johnson is still privately educated; should add Hunt to the list.

    Any news on your peerage, sir? :D
    The phone has rung twice today, but alas nothing so far from Dave Mansions or Theresa Towers. If No 10 is looking in, I will happily reverse the charges....
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    JosiasJessop said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    Urrrm, you do realise that Southern is one of the many operators who actually return money to the treasury for operating trains? (Table 1.7 of (1))

    Last year train operators returned a net ~800 million to the government. I don't care who runs them as long as they continue doing so profitably.

    (1): http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf
    Southern (like the rest of GTR) is now run on a management contract so no longer returns anything. In any case, the money the TOC returns to the Govenrment is effectively priced into the winning bidder's franchise premia.
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    The_Apocalypse said:

    So where on earth is IDS going? Since he was reported to be going into Downing Street earlier on today?

    Also, Priti has this incredibly smug smile on her face at all times.

    I don't think we've had leader of the house yet...
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Tour de Farce
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    The_Apocalypse said:

    GIN1138 said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    So where on earth is IDS going? Since he was reported to be going into Downing Street earlier on today?

    Perhaps he was offered a job but declined? Or... IDS = DPM just to troll the whole of PB ;)
    DPM is a total non-job. The only thing is that IDS in PMQs would be car-crash TV.
    The Quiet Man (IDS) Vs The Big Man (Tom Watson) ? :smiley:
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    Good job there are no points for style in the Tour De France - Chris Froome going to head to full on stem staring nutjob speedmerchant soon.

    Blimey. Good of them to schedule that during the tea break.
  • FeersumEnjineeya
    FeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,792
    PlatoSaid said:

    Greg Clark - Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy

    Could have worse. At least he takes climate change seriously.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    What a feck up at the TDF
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Labour Facebook groups are increasingly silly. Some people shrieking about affronts to democracy and breech of contract over voting rights.

    I've pointed out that they advocate letting someone join the party on day 1, vote on day 2 and quit on day 3 and the damage that could do. I'm not being well received....
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    CarlottaVance said:

    Interesting observation from James Forsyth: This reshuffle has institutionally weakened both the Foreign Office and the Treasury

    Hmm, I predicted that on Tuesday night
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    MaxPB said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' cabinet in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Us former public schoolboys are such a persecuted minority.
    Ahem, "We" public schoolboys...

    ....We Grammar Schoolboys, Theresa, Damian and I have to stick together.
    Indeed we do!
    Same here!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    Froome was going to win the tour de France today with that beast mode move.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    JohnO said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Jobabob said:

    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Damian Green gets Work and Pensions

    Tell me this is true. Whoopee. A human in DWP.
    Green is a very nice chap - I have met him.
    Seconded - a contemporary of May at Oxford - got a raw deal under Cameron
    He was my tutorial partner for Modern British Government (lol) with Gillian Peele who was the fun-loving politics don at LMH. OK, he's become a Secretary of State, but I was a Leader!
    You studied with Gillian as well?

    I had her alongside Vernon B [who kept interrupting my tutorials to redraft the Czech constitution], Liz Fraser, Chris Alsopp and Martin Ceadal
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    eek said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    Deutsche Bahn also own Great Central, Chiltern and I believe Northern Rail....
    By contrast, GoVia have a HUGE empire covering London Midland, Southern, Southeastern, Gatwick Express, Great Northern and Thameslink

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govia
    Deutsche / Arriva's full list is

    Alliance Rail Holdings
    Arriva TrainCare (formerly LNWR)
    Arriva Trains Wales
    Chiltern Railways
    CrossCountry
    Grand Central
    London Overground Rail Operations (50/50 joint venture with MTR Corporation)
    Northern
    Tyne & Wear Metro
    Arriva Rail London take full control of London Overground operations from November 2016.[4]
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, only if the 0.7% is dropped, otherwise this'll harm Patel's leadership prospects enormously..

    Not going to happen, 0.7% is the law and there won't be a majority to reverse it.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    edited July 2016
    What is it about the Secretary of State for Health, that causes so many experienced journalists to swear live on TV?
    https://youtu.be/Pa70fCLZ4_A
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    MP_SE said:

    I wish Priti got Chief Whip.

    Some of you Tories are a bit weird to say the least.

    @GIN1138 Has there ever been a match up of two more unlikeable people?

    @numbertwelve Yeah, IDS could go there. I doubt he'll be Chief Secretary to the Treasury.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    not_on_fire said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    Urrrm, you do realise that Southern is one of the many operators who actually return money to the treasury for operating trains? (Table 1.7 of (1))

    Last year train operators returned a net ~800 million to the government. I don't care who runs them as long as they continue doing so profitably.

    (1): http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf
    Southern (like the rest of GTR) is now run on a management contract so no longer returns anything. In any case, the money the TOC returns to the Govenrment is effectively priced into the winning bidder's franchise premia.
    Well, yes, because the unions are being stupid IMO. And what's the point of your second sentence? They still return the money.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    Sandpit said:

    What is it about the Secretary of State for Health, that causes so many experienced journalists to swear live on TV?
    https://youtu.be/Pa70fCLZ4_A

    Funny how they never have that problem with tristam.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    JonathanD said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, only if the 0.7% is dropped, otherwise this'll harm Patel's leadership prospects enormously..

    Not going to happen, 0.7% is the law and there won't be a majority to reverse it.
    Rolling peace keeping and a load of other stuff into the top line figure is the key. I've been horrified by the spend-for-the-sake-of-it projects DfiD has funded.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    Charles said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    This is pre-Brexit thinking. There's going to be less economic activity, fewer people, less money. You just don't need as much infrastructure as you would have.

    That said, how are people in Britain getting their internet of they don't have fibre? It's not still going over1890s-standard copper wire is it?

    Yes it is! Fibre broadband infrastructure is mainly rolled out by private monopoly BT Openreach. In practice it means things like this - my estate was built from 2005 and is 700 mainly middle-class style homes. Openreach did their Broadband survey in 2004. According to them - and I asked them - we don't exist on their map which is why they won't upgrade our cabinet despite having done the ones on either side.

    Supposedly private industry removes idiotic state monolith thinking. With BT it got worse. But despite the huge economic benefits of superfast - people can work from home more and travel less - its getting rolled out at snails pace.
    My entire town is still waiting for fibre. And it's only 60 miles outside London, hardly a remote corner of England.
    I live in a house built in 2013 in a major city. We get 1.5 to 5 meg through BT. The developers didn't bother working with any other providers to enable cable services, so we are stuck with BT. BT won't upgrade the cabinets. I live 1.5 miles from the city centre.
    I live miles outside London, in a run down house from the 1850s. My broadband works fine :)
    Stourhead ?
    NW8...

    [Stourhead's Palladian not Victorian, you philistine!]
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016
    Sandpit said:

    What is it about the Secretary of State for Health, that causes so many experienced journalists to swear live on TV?
    ttps://youtu.be/Pa70fCLZ4_A

    They probably use the name around the office, then say it without thinking.
  • pbr2013
    pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Sandpit said:

    What is it about the Secretary of State for Health, that causes so many experienced journalists to swear live on TV?
    https://youtu.be/Pa70fCLZ4_A

    http://viz.co.uk/roger-mellie-interviews-jeremy-hunt/

  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    MarkHopkins said:

    Charles said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    This is pre-Brexit thinking. There's going to be less economic activity, fewer people, less money. You just don't need as much infrastructure as you would have.

    That said, how are people in Britain getting their internet of they don't have fibre? It's not still going over1890s-standard copper wire is it?

    Yes it is! Fibre broadband infrastructure is mainly rolled out by private monopoly BT Openreach. In practice it means things like this - my estate was built from 2005 and is 700 mainly middle-class style homes. Openreach did their Broadband survey in 2004. According to them - and I asked them - we don't exist on their map which is why they won't upgrade our cabinet despite having done the ones on either side.

    Supposedly private industry removes idiotic state monolith thinking. With BT it got worse. But despite the huge economic benefits of superfast - people can work from home more and travel less - its getting rolled out at snails pace.
    My entire town is still waiting for fibre. And it's only 60 miles outside London, hardly a remote corner of England.
    I live in a house built in 2013 in a major city. We get 1.5 to 5 meg through BT. The developers didn't bother working with any other providers to enable cable services, so we are stuck with BT. BT won't upgrade the cabinets. I live 1.5 miles from the city centre.
    I live miles outside London, in a run down house from the 1850s. My broadband works fine :)

    A lot of suburban properties in towns seem to get very good broadband, but in the centre the speed drops off.

    Not sure why. Congestion? Age of wiring?

    Age of wiring can be an issue. Some places use a copper - aluminium mix for their wires which seriously limits speed
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    eek said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    eek said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jobabob said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    David_Evershed said:

    Is Grayling pro or anti HS2 do we know?

    Will May instruct him to prioritise the northern HS3 instead of the London orientated HS2?

    Grayling's first job should be stripping Southern and Southeastern of their rail franchises.
    Are you sure that's the end-game the government want?
    Why not just nationalise all commuter rail to TfL with Sadiq ultimately responsible as mayor? Has worked very well where done so far (WAGN, Romford line etc). Makes no sense fragmenting a commuter network. Clear lines of responsibility etc etc.
    Er, we had something of that kind with BR:
    Inter-City
    Network South-East
    All other provincial lines.

    If I use a train, I'm paying my fare to a nationalised railway. Deutsche Bahn owns Arriva Trains Wales and at least one other franchise.

    By returning expired franchises to an integrated government-owned body, the system could slowly be reunified and any profits could go to the Treasury, not the German govt.(!)
    Deutsche Bahn also own Great Central, Chiltern and I believe Northern Rail....
    By contrast, GoVia have a HUGE empire covering London Midland, Southern, Southeastern, Gatwick Express, Great Northern and Thameslink

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govia
    Deutsche / Arriva's full list is

    Alliance Rail Holdings
    Arriva TrainCare (formerly LNWR)
    Arriva Trains Wales
    Chiltern Railways
    CrossCountry
    Grand Central
    London Overground Rail Operations (50/50 joint venture with MTR Corporation)
    Northern
    Tyne & Wear Metro
    Arriva Rail London take full control of London Overground operations from November 2016.[4]
    Ooops, didn't know they were so big. And didn't know they were getting London Overground either.
  • Thrak
    Thrak Posts: 494
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Froome was going to win the tour de France today with that beast mode move.

    Result will probably be taken from timings at the moment of the crash but he would likely have extebpnded that. Maybe now they'll do something about idiotic spectators.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited July 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So the public school members so far are Evans (HoL), Johnson, Rudd....and er, is that it?

    Quite possibly the most 'representative' cabinet in education terms ever! Another first for the Tories?

    Us former public schoolboys are such a persecuted minority.
    Hunt was Charterhouse and Fallon Epsom, the only others I think
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Charles said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    This is pre-Brexit thinking. There's going to be less economic activity, fewer people, less money. You just don't need as much infrastructure as you would have.

    That said, how are people in Britain getting their internet of they don't have fibre? It's not still going over1890s-standard copper wire is it?

    Yes it is! Fibre broadband infrastructure is mainly rolled out by private monopoly BT Openreach. In practice it means things like this - my estate was built from 2005 and is 700 mainly middle-class style homes. Openreach did their Broadband survey in 2004. According to them - and I asked them - we don't exist on their map which is why they won't upgrade our cabinet despite having done the ones on either side.

    Supposedly private industry removes idiotic state monolith thinking. With BT it got worse. But despite the huge economic benefits of superfast - people can work from home more and travel less - its getting rolled out at snails pace.
    My entire town is still waiting for fibre. And it's only 60 miles outside London, hardly a remote corner of England.
    I live in a house built in 2013 in a major city. We get 1.5 to 5 meg through BT. The developers didn't bother working with any other providers to enable cable services, so we are stuck with BT. BT won't upgrade the cabinets. I live 1.5 miles from the city centre.
    I live miles outside London, in a run down house from the 1850s. My broadband works fine :)
    Stourhead ?
    NW8...

    [Stourhead's Palladian not Victorian, you philistine!]
    Will it be yours though, or are you a "younger" brother or some such ;) ?
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213
    A thought struck me. The only potential cabinet member with real bargaining power with Theresa May is David Mundell for Sos Scotland.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    SimonStClare said:

    Sandpit said:

    What is it about the Secretary of State for Health, that causes so many experienced journalists to swear live on TV?
    ttps://youtu.be/Pa70fCLZ4_A

    It's probably use the name around the office, then say it without thinking.
    Undoubtedly so. It is probably a hangover from his days at DCMS where he was unpopular with the media. OFCOM should really be handing out serious fines for it now, it's happened too often.
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