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And don't forget that Theresa Villiers claims she's turned a role down - must have been high profile to be offered at this stage.Sandpit said:
This is where life starts to get difficult for the PM. She may have had a whole cabinet written down or in her head, but when people start declining the roles offered to them...PlatoSaid said:Sky saying Crabb was offered chance to stay at DWP.
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Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.0 -
*BREAKING* New post of Beverage Distribution Minister created for Andrea Leadsom.0
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National Polls :
Clinton 40 .. Trump 40 - CBS/NY Times
Clinton 45 .. Trump 43 - YouGov/Economist
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Now there is a policy that deserves a second look. It couldn't be done while we were in the EU and 500m people could claim it, but deserves to now be worked through and costed properly - including the massive amount of bureaucracy it would save across numerous govt departments.grabcocque said:If we had a universal basic income run through the treasury, we would have no need of a DWP.
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Yes, I think someone posted that Trump had spent the weekend with Spence (or vice versa). 538 made the point that running for VP on a losing ticket can kill your career, which might be why a lot of Republicans turned Trump down.rottenborough said:
BF now says its Pence, but some distance. Shame, I am on McSally.Pulpstar said:
Hi Marc, bit of a guessers market.MarcKlein said:Any word on a VP pick for Trump/Clinton?
@Rodcrosby reckons it might be Martha McSally (He is profitable to pay attention to) though I haven't backed anyone myself.
Not Christie I think.
No idea with HRC.0 -
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Trump will announce there won't be one. I can see him saying: "Why do we need a role that isn't worth a bucket of piss" as LBJ (I think?) once said. Anyway his health is great, just great.TheWhiteRabbit said:
In terms of the value bet, I agree.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm suspicious about all the leaks about the shortlist coming out of Team Trump. He's a showman, he'll want to pull a surprise. My hunch is that it won't be any of the names being bandied around.TheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-vicepresident-idUSKCN0ZT1RVMarcKlein said:Any word on a VP pick for Trump/Clinton?
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Various versions of medical boarding have been around for decades and decades.eek said:chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
While its entered folklore, folklore misses out that the entire Atos Origin disability test system was instigated and designed under Labour....
The Work Focused Interview for the Disabled is a Labour invention though. It came into being around the time of Blair's second term.
Atos followed on from SEMA as the private sector contractor, again Labour appointees. It was 'in house' before Labour privatised it if memory serves me correctly.0 -
The Queen is the Duke of Lancaster (it's the core of what is now called the Crown Estates) and doesn't have the time to deal with the day to day administration.TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?
(Useless factoid - it's one of the few Dukedoms that has a female Duke rather than a Duchess)0 -
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I've decided to make ME my Vice President! Who else would be able to replace ME except ME?!rottenborough said:
Trump will announce there won't be one. I can see him saying: "Why do we need a role that isn't worth a bucket of piss" as LBJ (I think?) once said. Anyway his health is great, just great.TheWhiteRabbit said:
In terms of the value bet, I agree.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm suspicious about all the leaks about the shortlist coming out of Team Trump. He's a showman, he'll want to pull a surprise. My hunch is that it won't be any of the names being bandied around.TheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-vicepresident-idUSKCN0ZT1RVMarcKlein said:Any word on a VP pick for Trump/Clinton?
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Seems like noone wants DWP.0
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Has Leadsom got anything yet? Runner-up for leader surely earns some sort of prize.Chris said:*BREAKING* New post of Beverage Distribution Minister created for Andrea Leadsom.
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We cant buy off the shelf European or any other trains as they would crash into the first bridge they try to go under.ManchesterKurt said:
Doesn't buying 'of the shelf' trains become a benefit if our systems align to those that are used on the continent?JosiasJessop said:
I think the European Railway Agency is part of the EU, and the new signalling system of ERTMS is under their control. It'll be interesting to see how withdrawal alters Network Rail's plans for ERTMS rollout.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Indeed.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. One of the great things the railway inspection board did, and does, is make the reporting of near-misses obligatory. Then they can investigate if they want.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Assuming that near misses are recorded.JosiasJessop said:
It'll be interesting to know how many crashes have occurred caused by the use of the telephone block system, and especially how many near-misses.Paul_Bedfordshire said:89.'
From what I can make out, Telephone Block in crude terms means there is not actually any signalling and the station masters of adjacent stations phone each other, decide which train can go then record this on paper and tell the train drivers whether they can go.
Cant Imagine why we banned it 127 years ago.......
Hence every SPAD (signal passed a danger) is recorded, even if it does not result in a crash. They can then find common reasons (e.g. vegetation blocking sight lines, tiredness, confusion with other signals) and not only fix them, but look for other places on the network that they might occur.
It's a bureaucracy, but it keeps the passengers safer.
I'm just staggered that on a line only built in 1965 and since electrified at great cost, it was not considered necessary to invest in some basic signalling - it is not as if a few token machines would cost much.
Apparently this system or a variant is used extensively in Portugal too and probably other European countries.
One other good thing about Brexit is that the EUs plan to replace national rail safety bureacracies like HMRI with an EU wide one will no longer affect us thank heavens.
There's a chance we might 'buy in' to the ERA anyway, although interoperability with other EU countries is less important for us than other countries, as there is only one link to them.
Sure I've read the budget for HS2 trains is massively pessimistic as Alstom and others build trains that can run on European really networks for fair less than is budgeted for
If we use the same tech the there must be economies of scale savings surely
UK railways are built to an almost uniquely small maximum train size.0 -
Er, what. The reasons it wasn't done are none of the above. It has taken an eon to get to its current limited roll-out because the IT and backoffice logistics are an absolutely f**** nightmare.Sandpit said:
Now there is a policy that deserves a second look. It couldn't be done while we were in the EU and 500m people could claim it, but deserves to now be worked through and costed properly - including the massive amount of bureaucracy it would save across numerous govt departments.grabcocque said:If we had a universal basic income run through the treasury, we would have no need of a DWP.
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When does Sarah Vine write her next column? Would like to be a fly on the wall in the Macbeth household right now!0
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One reason Corbynites are not that keen to have Blairites running the show again.chestnut said:
Various versions of medical boarding have been around for decades and decades.eek said:chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
While its entered folklore, folklore misses out that the entire Atos Origin disability test system was instigated and designed under Labour....
The Work Focused Interview for the Disabled is a Labour invention though. It came into being around the time of Blair's second term.
Atos followed on from SEMA as the private sector contractor, again Labour appointees. It was 'in house' before Labour privatised it if memory serves me correctly.0 -
Gove is certainly not buried and will hopefully be back soon. Possibly the most talented politician in the whole party.bunnco said:
No. The happiest person is Liz Truss . It was Gove that gave her the bum steer to back Boris with all sorts of blandishments and promises only to leave her high and dry when he ran himself.Sunil_Prasannan said:Gove out - Boris must be the happiest bloke in the UK right now!
Revenge is a meal best eaten cold. But in this case, it is also sweet. She's taken Gove's job as well as buried him.
Mint!
Bunnco Your Man on the Spot0 -
No, me and the editor of The Sun did too lolSunil_Prasannan said:
Was I the only one here wot watched Trainspotting Live?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Indeed.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. One of the great things the railway inspection board did, and does, is make the reporting of near-misses obligatory. Then they can investigate if they want.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Assuming that near misses are recorded.JosiasJessop said:
It'll be interesting to know how many crashes have occurred caused by the use of the telephone block system, and especially how many near-misses.Paul_Bedfordshire said:UK Rail Safety and Standards Board communiques via Twitter about the tragic head on train crash in Italy:
'Could Bari accident happen in GB? Unlikely due to nature of telephone block system used, but we always look to learn from overseas #aspr.'
'Sources suggest telephone block process was outlawed for passenger services in Britain in 1889.'
From what I can make out, Telephone Block in crude terms means there is not actually any signalling and the station masters of adjacent stations phone each other, decide which train can go then record this on paper and tell the train drivers whether they can go.
Cant Imagine why we banned it 127 years ago.......
Hence every SPAD (signal passed a danger) is recorded, even if it does not result in a crash. They can then find common reasons (e.g. vegetation blocking sight lines, tiredness, confusion with other signals) and not only fix them, but look for other places on the network that they might occur.
It's a bureaucracy, but it keeps the passengers safer.
I'm just staggered that on a line only built in 1965 and since electrified at great cost, it was not considered necessary to invest in some basic signalling - it is not as if a few token machines would cost much.
Apparently this system or a variant is used extensively in Portugal too and probably other European countries.
One other good thing about Brexit is that the EUs plan to replace national rail safety bureacracies like HMRI with an EU wide one will no longer affect us thank heavens.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/7532894956934225940 -
Given the order of announcements and 'rumours' of Hunt being moved I think that the assumption is that she was offered Health - although it'd be an interesting choice to turn down what is a clear promotion (albeit with some very obvious issues)tpfkar said:
And don't forget that Theresa Villiers claims she's turned a role down - must have been high profile to be offered at this stage.Sandpit said:
This is where life starts to get difficult for the PM. She may have had a whole cabinet written down or in her head, but when people start declining the roles offered to them...PlatoSaid said:Sky saying Crabb was offered chance to stay at DWP.
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Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.0 -
Indeed. The Swiss had a referendum on it although the proposed level seemed very high, about twice our minimum wage.Sandpit said:
Now there is a policy that deserves a second look. It couldn't be done while we were in the EU and 500m people could claim it, but deserves to now be worked through and costed properly - including the massive amount of bureaucracy it would save across numerous govt departments.grabcocque said:If we had a universal basic income run through the treasury, we would have no need of a DWP.
It's a Green Party policy but I think it's aspirational, i.e. something they plan on doing in the future but not quite yet.0 -
And the deep-level London Tube lines are even smaller!Paul_Bedfordshire said:We cant buy off the shelf European or any other trains as they would crash into the first bridge they try to go under.
UK railways are built to an almost uniquely small maximum train size.0 -
Has Gove applied to take over Boris's column yet?Paristonda said:When does Sarah Vine write her next column? Would like to be a fly on the wall in the Macbeth household right now!
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Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.0 -
If that actually happened and Trump won, wouldn't the VP then be Clinton's running mate? That would be amusing.rottenborough said:
Trump will announce there won't be one. I can see him saying: "Why do we need a role that isn't worth a bucket of piss" as LBJ (I think?) once said. Anyway his health is great, just great.TheWhiteRabbit said:
In terms of the value bet, I agree.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm suspicious about all the leaks about the shortlist coming out of Team Trump. He's a showman, he'll want to pull a surprise. My hunch is that it won't be any of the names being bandied around.TheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-vicepresident-idUSKCN0ZT1RVMarcKlein said:Any word on a VP pick for Trump/Clinton?
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I'm curious as to how you're defining "talent" here. To me, a politician who destroys his own career by making everyone loathe him isn't actually very good at politics.Richard_Tyndall said:
Gove is certainly not buried and will hopefully be back soon. Possibly the most talented politician in the whole party.bunnco said:
No. The happiest person is Liz Truss . It was Gove that gave her the bum steer to back Boris with all sorts of blandishments and promises only to leave her high and dry when he ran himself.Sunil_Prasannan said:Gove out - Boris must be the happiest bloke in the UK right now!
Revenge is a meal best eaten cold. But in this case, it is also sweet. She's taken Gove's job as well as buried him.
Mint!
Bunnco Your Man on the Spot
I'd say they were actually bad actually.0 -
Someone say something that might convince me that this is better than we had before.
For me this looks a far more mediocre cabinet than we had on 23rd June. The price of Brexit grows ever higher.0 -
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?0 -
Yes, and a universal income would eliminate at a stroke the majority of the huge computer clusterf***s that have plagued several departments over the decades. There would need to be some sort of registration process at the start but after that it would require very little input.rottenborough said:
Er, what. The reasons it wasn't done are none of the above. It has taken an eon to get to its current limited roll-out because the IT and backoffice logistics are an absolutely f**** nightmare.Sandpit said:
Now there is a policy that deserves a second look. It couldn't be done while we were in the EU and 500m people could claim it, but deserves to now be worked through and costed properly - including the massive amount of bureaucracy it would save across numerous govt departments.grabcocque said:If we had a universal basic income run through the treasury, we would have no need of a DWP.
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I'm sure someone said that it's worse than that. Unless you hit your target for sanctions you end up in disciplinary...grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.0 -
Sky News - Grayling to Transport0
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Leadsom into Downing Street0
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Leadsom arriving now, Grayling gets Transport.0
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Hang on, Prince Andrew is the Duke of York!TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?
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That's universal credit.... One big reason is that HMRC won't give DWP access to their systems so they can't see what people are earning....rottenborough said:
Er, what. The reasons it wasn't done are none of the above. It has taken an eon to get to its current limited roll-out because the IT and backoffice logistics are an absolutely f**** nightmare.Sandpit said:
Now there is a policy that deserves a second look. It couldn't be done while we were in the EU and 500m people could claim it, but deserves to now be worked through and costed properly - including the massive amount of bureaucracy it would save across numerous govt departments.grabcocque said:If we had a universal basic income run through the treasury, we would have no need of a DWP.
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Grayling is the Transport Secretary. Meh.0
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Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
sadly true
Staff that fail to sanction get pay cuts, staff that hand out sanctions with gay abandon get bonuses.
It wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out what the end result of that would have been.0 -
Leadsom to DWP would make perfect sense.
Using the internal logic seemingly applied to the reshuffle.0 -
Katie Hopkins will be planning something big to wrest the crown of moronic biliousness back.
https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/7535558168636579840 -
IDS in downing st was mentioned earlier. Perhaps he's back.Pulpstar said:Seems like noone wants DWP.
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Grayling to Transport? Wasn't Transport due to be abolished half an hour ago?JackW said:Sky News - Grayling to Transport
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We've seeing a lot of deckchairs and some promotions - we've lost a great thinker in Gove, and a chunk of other talent - and some deadwood.DavidL said:Someone say something that might convince me that this is better than we had before.
For me this looks a far more mediocre cabinet than we had on 23rd June. The price of Brexit grows ever higher.
I'm not convinced by this yet - some nice working class upgrades, but that's not enough.0 -
Is he HS2 friendly?DecrepitJohnL said:
Grayling to Transport? Wasn't Transport due to be abolished half an hour ago?JackW said:Sky News - Grayling to Transport
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Rasmussen trending to the norm for them !!Sean_F said:
At this stage it's looking like another Nixon/Humphrey or Ford/Carter contest, in terms of its closeness.JackW said:National Polls :
Clinton 40 .. Trump 40 - CBS/NY Times
Clinton 45 .. Trump 43 - YouGov/Economist
Clinton 37 .. Trump 44 - Rasmussen
National polls are useful but credible state swing polls are the key. Here Clinton maintains a distinctive edge.0 -
oh, kill me now.anotherDave said:
IDS in downing st was mentioned earlier. Perhaps he's back.Pulpstar said:Seems like noone wants DWP.
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Still worth it?DavidL said:Someone say something that might convince me that this is better than we had before.
For me this looks a far more mediocre cabinet than we had on 23rd June. The price of Brexit grows ever higher.0 -
Everyone see that? When the cops come, he asked for it.rottenborough said:
oh, kill me now.anotherDave said:
IDS in downing st was mentioned earlier. Perhaps he's back.Pulpstar said:Seems like noone wants DWP.
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Leadsom for Treasury Sec?
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That's something that's been mentioned by loads of people, but with very little actual evidence. I've yet to see a link to a reputable source confirming the story.Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?0 -
At this stage it's looking like another Nixon/Humphrey or Ford/Carter contest, in terms of its closeness.
Think there's a 'shy' Trump factor in the states along the lines of shy UKIP / tories here?0 -
The evidence linked a long way short of the conclusion attributed to it.grabcocque said:Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
sadly true
Staff that fail to sanction get pay cuts, staff that hand out sanctions with gay abandon get bonuses.
It wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out what the end result of that would have been.0 -
They were going to rip up the railways???DecrepitJohnL said:
Grayling to Transport? Wasn't Transport due to be abolished half an hour ago?JackW said:Sky News - Grayling to Transport
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I think Hammond pulled the trigger on it, so he may defend it in cabinet too.rottenborough said:
Is he HS2 friendly?DecrepitJohnL said:
Grayling to Transport? Wasn't Transport due to be abolished half an hour ago?JackW said:Sky News - Grayling to Transport
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Transport a bit disappointing for Grayling?0
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It has been common practice for jobcentre staff to have benchmarks/targets related to their jobs (just like most professions) way before IDS/the Tories came on the scene.Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
People who under-perform against the benchmark may end up being taken to task for unsatisfactory performance, people who over-performed may well get rewarded.
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Hhhmm ....DecrepitJohnL said:
Grayling to Transport? Wasn't Transport due to be abolished half an hour ago?JackW said:Sky News - Grayling to Transport
Might be SoS for Transportation ....
Ozzie, Gove et al to Australia ?!? ..
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The other explanation for the exponential increase in malicious sanctioning by DWP staff is they're all sociopaths who just want to watch the world burn. This is another possibility.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The evidence linked a long way short of the conclusion attributed to it.grabcocque said:Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
sadly true
Staff that fail to sanction get pay cuts, staff that hand out sanctions with gay abandon get bonuses.
It wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out what the end result of that would have been.0 -
Yes -- see the tweet in the headline piece.Sunil_Prasannan said:
They were going to rip up the railways???DecrepitJohnL said:
Grayling to Transport? Wasn't Transport due to be abolished half an hour ago?JackW said:Sky News - Grayling to Transport
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Do you even know what exponential means?grabcocque said:
The other explanation for the exponential increase in malicious sanctioning by DWP staff is they're all sociopaths who just want to watch the world burn. This is another possibility.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The evidence linked a long way short of the conclusion attributed to it.grabcocque said:Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
sadly true
Staff that fail to sanction get pay cuts, staff that hand out sanctions with gay abandon get bonuses.
It wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out what the end result of that would have been.0 -
It's the more excitable and partisan Guardian columnists citing other excitable and partisan Guardian columnists. Fortunately, under the new editor - who seems to be a LOT better than Rusbridger - the paper seems to be returning to high-quality journalism, so hopefully we'll see less such hysteria.Sandpit said:
That's something that's been mentioned by loads of people, but with very little actual evidence. I've yet to see a link to a reputable source confirming the story.Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?0 -
Both Hammond and Grayling strong HS2 supportersanotherDave said:
I think Hammond pulled the trigger on it, so he may defend it in cabinet too.rottenborough said:
Is he HS2 friendly?DecrepitJohnL said:
Grayling to Transport? Wasn't Transport due to be abolished half an hour ago?JackW said:Sky News - Grayling to Transport
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I think we covered it during my physics degree at Oxford.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Do you even know what exponential means?grabcocque said:
The other explanation for the exponential increase in malicious sanctioning by DWP staff is they're all sociopaths who just want to watch the world burn. This is another possibility.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The evidence linked a long way short of the conclusion attributed to it.grabcocque said:Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
sadly true
Staff that fail to sanction get pay cuts, staff that hand out sanctions with gay abandon get bonuses.
It wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out what the end result of that would have been.0 -
Yes, I wouldn't pay too much attention to Rasmussen.JackW said:
Rasmussen trending to the norm for them !!Sean_F said:
At this stage it's looking like another Nixon/Humphrey or Ford/Carter contest, in terms of its closeness.JackW said:National Polls :
Clinton 40 .. Trump 40 - CBS/NY Times
Clinton 45 .. Trump 43 - YouGov/Economist
Clinton 37 .. Trump 44 - Rasmussen
National polls are useful but credible state swing polls are the key. Here Clinton maintains a distinctive edge.0 -
@InternetHippoTheuniondivvie said:Katie Hopkins will be planning something big to wrest the crown of moronic biliousness back.
https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/753555816863657984
Using Twitter will make you more concise, which is a useful skill. And it comes at the small cost of making you worse in every other way.0 -
Evidently not.grabcocque said:
I think we covered it during my physics degree at Oxford.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Do you even know what exponential means?grabcocque said:
The other explanation for the exponential increase in malicious sanctioning by DWP staff is they're all sociopaths who just want to watch the world burn. This is another possibility.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The evidence linked a long way short of the conclusion attributed to it.grabcocque said:Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
sadly true
Staff that fail to sanction get pay cuts, staff that hand out sanctions with gay abandon get bonuses.
It wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out what the end result of that would have been.0 -
That's a classy post from Louise Mensch.Theuniondivvie said:Katie Hopkins will be planning something big to wrest the crown of moronic biliousness back.
https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/7535558168636579840 -
The one employment sector that expanded due to that policy (Labour again) was security guards in JobCentres.chestnut said:
It has been common practice for jobcentre staff to have benchmarks/targets related to their jobs (just like most professions) way before IDS/the Tories came on the scene.Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
People who under-perform against the benchmark may end up being taken to task for unsatisfactory performance, people who over-performed may well get rewarded.0 -
I think the US Presidential election is likely to break records for low turnout.Sean_F said:
Yes, I wouldn't pay too much attention to Rasmussen.JackW said:
Rasmussen trending to the norm for them !!Sean_F said:
At this stage it's looking like another Nixon/Humphrey or Ford/Carter contest, in terms of its closeness.JackW said:National Polls :
Clinton 40 .. Trump 40 - CBS/NY Times
Clinton 45 .. Trump 43 - YouGov/Economist
Clinton 37 .. Trump 44 - Rasmussen
National polls are useful but credible state swing polls are the key. Here Clinton maintains a distinctive edge.0 -
Perhaps Cameron's biggest gift to the world is his adage about Twitter, which people cotinue to prove every day.Ishmael_X said:
@InternetHippoTheuniondivvie said:Katie Hopkins will be planning something big to wrest the crown of moronic biliousness back.
https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/753555816863657984
Using Twitter will make you more concise, which is a useful skill. And it comes at the small cost of making you worse in every other way.0 -
@SophyRidgeSky: Damian Green gets Work and Pensions0
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Trying to discover who's had the shortest times in office.
I guessed David Laws, he managed 17 days
Alas
Arthur S
@PlatoSays @FatherJones1 Beaverbrook was Minister of War Production for 15 days from 4 - 19 February 1942 before resigning.0 -
Hmmm, Leadsom has just gone in.0
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Told you. DWP gets its cuddly wet.0
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They removed the protective screens for the staff so needed to heavily increase the security presence.DecrepitJohnL said:
The one employment sector that expanded due to that policy (Labour again) was security guards in JobCentres.chestnut said:
It has been common practice for jobcentre staff to have benchmarks/targets related to their jobs (just like most professions) way before IDS/the Tories came on the scene.Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
People who under-perform against the benchmark may end up being taken to task for unsatisfactory performance, people who over-performed may well get rewarded.0 -
Damian Green to DWP0
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Journalism is in my opinion in a bit of a state at the moment, though there are very good ones out there.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's the more excitable and partisan Guardian columnist citing other excitable and partisan Guardian columnists. Fortunately, under the new editor - who seems to be a LOT better than Rusbridger - the paper seems to be returning to high-quality journalism, so hopefully we'll see less such hysteria.Sandpit said:
That's something that's been mentioned by loads of people, but with very little actual evidence. I've yet to see a link to a reputable source confirming the story.Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
John Harris and Stephen Bush are two I pay particular attention to.0 -
IDS won't be pleased.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Damian Green gets Work and Pensions
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Tell me this is true. Whoopee. A human in DWP.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Damian Green gets Work and Pensions
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Quite. Analysis are done in all jobs, and a statistical pattern is established as to the expected percentages. It might be nationally 15% of applicants contravene the rules, but yours is 10% or 30%, and your colleagues rarely vary more than a couple of percent, it shows that something is wrong. Same for a traffic police who dont issue the expected number of speeding tickets or breathalysers.chestnut said:
It has been common practice for jobcentre staff to have benchmarks/targets related to their jobs (just like most professions) way before IDS/the Tories came on the scene.Pulpstar said:
Is that true ?grabcocque said:
Not the practise of incentivising DWP staff by rewarding by the number of people they sanction, regardless of merit. That was IDS's stupid fucking idea.chestnut said:
Sanctions have been around since Attlee.grabcocque said:
Not to quite the same level. ATOS, food banks, sanctions etc. have driven the DWP's reputation for potentially murderous callousness to new highs. Yes, I realise this started under Blair so we shouldn't blame it all on IDS. But I will anyway.chestnut said:
You credit Cameron too much; the DWP/DSS/DHSS has always had that reputation.grabcocque said:
It was under his tenure the DWP got its reputation for emotionally torturing people, starving them and driving them to suicide. At best we can assume Dave didn't much care about what IDS turned it into.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron for DWP it is then?grabcocque said:
My guess is May's going to want somebody cuddly. The DWP is the Nasty Department, and May will want that to change.TheWhiteRabbit said:What about Grayling to DWP?
Already disliked, that wouldn't be a major negative.
Fuck you IDS.
Sounds like an urban myth to me. Surely noone could be that mendacious/stupid ?
People who under-perform against the benchmark may end up being taken to task for unsatisfactory performance, people who over-performed may well get rewarded.0 -
Ha! Hadn't thought of that possibility, but he's a good choice.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Damian Green gets Work and Pensions
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I wasn't around when she posted on here. Was there any indication that such a morally retarded, fact-ignoring monster lurked within?Sean_F said:
That's a classy post from Louise Mensch.Theuniondivvie said:Katie Hopkins will be planning something big to wrest the crown of moronic biliousness back.
https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/7535558168636579840 -
HaroldO said:
Hmmm, Leadsom has just gone in.
Perhaps May will make Leadsom Leader of the Opposition. She needs someone to fight with.
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I can't recall who did the analysis a few weeks ago into POTUS polling, but Rasmussen were right down at the bottom with Quinthingy for accuracy. Fox/WSJ/NBC were top three.Sean_F said:
Yes, I wouldn't pay too much attention to Rasmussen.JackW said:
Rasmussen trending to the norm for them !!Sean_F said:
At this stage it's looking like another Nixon/Humphrey or Ford/Carter contest, in terms of its closeness.JackW said:National Polls :
Clinton 40 .. Trump 40 - CBS/NY Times
Clinton 45 .. Trump 43 - YouGov/Economist
Clinton 37 .. Trump 44 - Rasmussen
National polls are useful but credible state swing polls are the key. Here Clinton maintains a distinctive edge.0 -
MarkHopkins said:HaroldO said:
Hmmm, Leadsom has just gone in.
Perhaps May will make Leadsom Leader of the Opposition. She needs someone to fight with.
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@SophyRidgeSky: Andrea Leadsom appointed Secretary of State for Environment & Rural Affairs0
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Demonstrably not.Richard_Tyndall said:
Gove is certainly not buried and will hopefully be back soon. Possibly the most talented politician in the whole party.bunnco said:
No. The happiest person is Liz Truss . It was Gove that gave her the bum steer to back Boris with all sorts of blandishments and promises only to leave her high and dry when he ran himself.Sunil_Prasannan said:Gove out - Boris must be the happiest bloke in the UK right now!
Revenge is a meal best eaten cold. But in this case, it is also sweet. She's taken Gove's job as well as buried him.
Mint!
Bunnco Your Man on the Spot0 -
What is wrong with Louise Mensch?Theuniondivvie said:Katie Hopkins will be planning something big to wrest the crown of moronic biliousness back.
https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/7535558168636579840 -
Is Andrea a "denier"?Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Andrea Leadsom appointed Secretary of State for Environment & Rural Affairs
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How long have you got?The_Apocalypse said:
What is wrong with Louise Mensch?Theuniondivvie said:Katie Hopkins will be planning something big to wrest the crown of moronic biliousness back.
https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/753555816863657984
*pulls up a chair*0 -
Andrea Leadsom shows her inexperience even now
The only person so far to confirm her job to journalists as she steps out the front door0
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