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Wasn't that quote about the Commonwealth and sanctions on South Africa?CarlottaVance said:
I think May is like Thatcher in one sense - she believes in 'doing the right thing' - and 'bugger the consequences' - as Thatcher famously retorted when going into an EU meeting 'what does it feel like to be on your own among the 12?' 'It doesn't matter if the other 11 are wrong'....GIN1138 said:
She's still stuck with a relatively tiny majority though. You don't think, in a year or two, her enemies will "get her"?JackW said:
Nope.GIN1138 said:
Do you think she's over done it?JackW said:When I reported on PB yesterday that there were radical changes afoot the new May government i wasn't quite expecting this much.
MAY the force be with you ....
I keep harping on about this but it isn't a reshuffle. It's a new administration and government.
This is a May government - and will sink - or swim, by its own lights.....0 -
I don't watch GoT but from what I understand the government appears to have had its own Red Wedding!grabcocque said:
This.0 -
How about Treasury Chief Secretary bearing in mind her extensive finance background?TheScreamingEagles said:What job is Leadsom going to get?
Northern Ireland?0 -
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Absolutely.TheWhiteRabbit said:It is clear that ridding the Tories of their perception as being from privilege, for privilege, is May's top priority. The rest almost feels secondary.
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Oops!TheWhiteRabbit said:
Will not exist by this afternoon.numbertwelve said:
Energy seems to be the likely one.TheScreamingEagles said:What job is Leadsom going to get?
Northern Ireland?
The new Business, Energy and Industry Department is a possibility, if the rumours are right
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They're keeping Hunt? Is that punishment for him or for the NHS?0
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Yes, what has happened to him??felix said:What of Grayling?
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I'd like to see a MInistry for Actually Getting Things Built.CornishBlue said:I'd like to see industry, energy and transport merged into a super Department for Infrastructure.
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Hunt remaining Health Secretary0
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That would be sensible. Northern Ireland would be the small p political decision.JohnO said:
How about Treasury Chief Secretary bearing in mind her extensive finance background?TheScreamingEagles said:What job is Leadsom going to get?
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That supports a change in policy to pursue cheap energy. Good news!TheWhiteRabbit said:"We are hearing that BIS is to become the Business, Energy and Industry Department - a title which must raise questions about the future of DECC as a standalone department."
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I'm warming to the new PM!
She's trimming government and clearing out old shit. I particularly think that the BoJO/Fox/Davis appointments are very shrewd and should shut down all 'but will she really' type Brexit wobbles.
If DECC is dead can we hope that DFID is on the scaffold waiting for someone to kick away the chair? (Slash its budget and give the remnants to Boris).
At this rate she'll face both Labour and Real Labour/SDP2 in the autumn and win a landslide.0 -
I do like Sam Coates from The Times - he actually knows stuff. And isn't partisan.0
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Also, she has a young daughter, I doubt a move to Ireland would be on the cards.Pulpstar said:
That would be sensible. Northern Ireland would be the small p political decision.JohnO said:
How about Treasury Chief Secretary bearing in mind her extensive finance background?TheScreamingEagles said:What job is Leadsom going to get?
Northern Ireland?
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Could work. I wonder after all the pressures of the last week, Andrea Leadsom will prefer a spell out of the limelightJohnO said:
How about Treasury Chief Secretary bearing in mind her extensive finance background?TheScreamingEagles said:What job is Leadsom going to get?
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My guess is since she's dumped Letwin, he'll be DPM and Duchy of Lancaster.CornishBlue said:
Yes, what has happened to him??felix said:What of Grayling?
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Stays as Leader of the House and Lord President of the Council?CornishBlue said:
Yes, what has happened to him??felix said:What of Grayling?
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The Keeper of the Privy Seal of Scotland is vacant ....PlatoSaid said:Greg Callus
For completeness, the Lord High Steward, Lord High Treasurer and Lord High Constable are either held in commission or for coronations only
I await a call .... and have done so since that last incumbent, the Marquess of Breadalbane, died in 1922 ....
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That's a good call. Changes so far seem well thought through, which is surprising given the severely curtailed timescale of the leadership contest.CornishBlue said:I'd like to see industry, energy and transport merged into a super Department for Infrastructure.
I love the SoS for Trade role, much needed in the post-EU environment. Hopefully he'll disappear on a plane next week and not be seen on these shores again until Christmas. In a good way, of course.
Business and Energy under the same brief would also be welcome, should lead to less of the "green crap" that literally no-one else in the world is still doing in the face of uncompetitiveness.0 -
I didnt know she was a mother.anotherDave said:
Also, she has a young daughter, I doubt a move to Ireland would be on the cards.Pulpstar said:
That would be sensible. Northern Ireland would be the small p political decision.JohnO said:
How about Treasury Chief Secretary bearing in mind her extensive finance background?TheScreamingEagles said:What job is Leadsom going to get?
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Keeping Hunt at Health presumably means the Junior Doctors contract will be imposed and signals May's determination not to start her new administration by backing down in an industrial dispute.0
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McLoughlin has got Duchy of Lancastergrabcocque said:
My guess is since she's dumped Letwin, he'll be DPM and Duchy of Lancaster.CornishBlue said:
Yes, what has happened to him??felix said:What of Grayling?
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Won't be DPM at this late stage, surely. Unless something has not gone to plan.grabcocque said:
My guess is since she's dumped Letwin, he'll be DPM and Duchy of Lancaster.CornishBlue said:
Yes, what has happened to him??felix said:What of Grayling?
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You broke it, you fix it.stjohn said:Keeping Hunt at Health presumably means the Junior Doctors contract will be imposed and signals May's determination not to start her new administration by backing down in an industrial dispute.
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I know he has his many critics, but Lord Feldman also needs replacing, as brilliant as Patrick McLoughlin is, he can't raise the money that Lord Feldman has, nor updated the Tory systems quite so efficiently.0
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I'd like to see Lord Dan Hannan get something.
I also think May might ease the wounds a bit by inviting Gove to head up a policy unit outside of the cabinet / government. He'd be awesome at that and wouldn't get a chance to scare the horses.0 -
Wonder what job Villiers was offered that she didn't feel able to take..0
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"The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP as Conservative Party Chairman and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster."
Bloody hell does the Queen really approve the Conservative Party Chairman??0 -
Tim Montgomerie said that Mr Cameron put in a last wish appeal to spare the DFID budget. I hope she axes it. Perhaps she could delay it until we are out of the EU and direct favourable trade terms to v.poor nations?Patrick said:I'm warming to the new PM!
She's trimming government and clearing out old shit. I particularly think that the BoJO/Fox/Davis appointments are very shrewd and should shut down all 'but will she really' type Brexit wobbles.
If DECC is dead can we hope that DFID is on the scaffold waiting for someone to kick away the chair? (Slash its budget and give the remnants to Boris).
At this rate she'll face both Labour and Real Labour/SDP2 in the autumn and win a landslide.
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Baroness Evans (Who?) Lords Leader.0
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Duchy of Lancaster.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Won't be DPM at this late stage, surely. Unless something has not gone to plan.grabcocque said:
My guess is since she's dumped Letwin, he'll be DPM and Duchy of Lancaster.CornishBlue said:
Yes, what has happened to him??felix said:What of Grayling?
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Correct. Irrespective of one's views on the dispute, the BMA have been thoroughly beaten at politics.stjohn said:Keeping Hunt at Health presumably means the Junior Doctors contract will be imposed and signals May's determination not to start her new administration by backing down in an industrial dispute.
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I guess approving the second mindful of the first.Icarus said:"The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP as Conservative Party Chairman and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster."
Bloody hell does the Queen really approve the Conservative Party Chairman??0 -
Eek..too late to edit. I prostrate myself as a penitent.JackW said:0 -
Duchy of Lancaster has gone already.0
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I wonder, all this radical change not just only people but of departments cannot have been dreamed up in the last week. TM must have been thinking about it for months, if not years, and I doubt by herself. So who are the other players in her backroom? Who are TM's advisors and confidants?0
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No, only the Duchy of Lancaster partIcarus said:"The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP as Conservative Party Chairman and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster."
Bloody hell does the Queen really approve the Conservative Party Chairman??0 -
Probably got told she was staying at NI and said "Sod this for a game of soldiers !"numbertwelve said:Wonder what job Villiers was offered that she didn't feel able to take..
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Gone to McLoughlinrottenborough said:
Duchy of Lancaster.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Won't be DPM at this late stage, surely. Unless something has not gone to plan.grabcocque said:
My guess is since she's dumped Letwin, he'll be DPM and Duchy of Lancaster.CornishBlue said:
Yes, what has happened to him??felix said:What of Grayling?
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Department of Infrastructure with Adonis as SOS as well as National Infrastructure Commission chair could depoliticise the big awkward decisions0
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I really warmed to Villiers, so calm and sensible - shame to lose her.Pulpstar said:
Probably got told she was staying at NI and said "Sod this for a game of soldiers !"numbertwelve said:Wonder what job Villiers was offered that she didn't feel able to take..
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I posted the below last night, and i'm increasingly thinking option 2 looks the most likely. I expect an early election to deal with the sackings destabilising the minimajority. She would win soundly (no landslide though, Labour at near the floor already i think, and Lib Dems may recover nicely). Disappointing for me personally who was hoping for some Norway fudge on brexit, but if May is going to actually stick to her speech yesterday, and those are her aims, there are reasons to be cheerful (for those that liked the sound of her speech yesterday, which I did).
"May has gone very brexit heavy in the 'outward facing' brexit related departments. The reasons for this could be:
1) Scapegoating - she wants to ensure that any brexit FUBARs don't fall on her head.
2) Compromise - she was never a europhile remainer anyway, so no ideological reason to be against brexit, so why choose that hill to die on? Give the Bastards their Brexit and she may be able to crack on with what she really cares about without too much pushback.
3) Backsliding - A brexiteer can go for EU-lite in a way that a Remainer couldn't."0 -
Not yet. But we may be applying for Royal Appointment status in view of the implosion of all opposition (apart from the SNP).Icarus said:"The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP as Conservative Party Chairman and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster."
Bloody hell does the Queen really approve the Conservative Party Chairman??
""By Appointment to Her Majesty the Queen, the Conservative Party, suppliers of public policy and good government"0 -
Theresa Villiers out. Turned down job. Transport? HS2?0
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In other news...
Celtic are apparently appealing the Gibraltar result.
Red Imps played a gas fitter in midfield who allegedly wasn't corgi registered.0 -
That's an interesting notion.ManchesterKurt said:Department of Infrastructure with Adonis as SOS as well as National Infrastructure Commission chair could depoliticise the big awkward decisions
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Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?0 -
Dare I say it?
This is a very white cabinet.
Not that it bothers me either way, but weren't the Tories trying hard to tone down the whiteness?0 -
Thats not what the release says.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, only the Duchy of Lancaster partIcarus said:"The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP as Conservative Party Chairman and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster."
Bloody hell does the Queen really approve the Conservative Party Chairman??0 -
DfID is more likely.rottenborough said:Theresa Villiers out. Turned down job. Transport? HS2?
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Because you pass the duchy on the left hand side. York is on the right hand side.TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
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Er there is...TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?0 -
Good Lord, Natalie Evans is the new Leader of the House of Lords0
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Apparently Nick Timothy is one.HurstLlama said:I wonder, all this radical change not just only people but of departments cannot have been dreamed up in the last week. TM must have been thinking about it for months, if not years, and I doubt by herself. So who are the other players in her backroom? Who are TM's advisors and confidants?
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I meant in the cabinetTheWhiteRabbit said:
Er there is...TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
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It also keeps the fallout from the dispute associated with Jeremy Hunt. May can dispense with him after it's over without tarnishing her own name.stjohn said:Keeping Hunt at Health presumably means the Junior Doctors contract will be imposed and signals May's determination not to start her new administration by backing down in an industrial dispute.
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@EyeSpyMP: Sacked @NickyMorgan01 at Westminster tube, pulling suitcase.0
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Hannan will probably be picked up by David Davis for his knowledge of the EU, both he and Gove would do very well in a policy unit type role where big brains are needed. Would also keep Gove on the inside of the tent...Patrick said:I'd like to see Lord Dan Hannan get something.
I also think May might ease the wounds a bit by inviting Gove to head up a policy unit outside of the cabinet / government. He'd be awesome at that and wouldn't get a chance to scare the horses.0 -
So how would you say the past month has gone, Mr Gove? Bit of a curates egg?0
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PONWASCarlottaVance said:@EyeSpyMP: Sacked @NickyMorgan01 at Westminster tube, pulling suitcase.
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Ooh, maybe Grayling is angling for a peerage? Leader of the Lords?
It's complex. The PM is appointing the party chairman, which is a party matter, but also appointing them to the cabinet via a sinecure (Duchy of Lancaster) so presumably the Crown needs to approve that. And it's either both or nothing.Icarus said:
Thats not what the release says.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, only the Duchy of Lancaster partIcarus said:"The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP as Conservative Party Chairman and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster."
Bloody hell does the Queen really approve the Conservative Party Chairman??0 -
There are no lands associated with the Dukedom of YorkTheScreamingEagles said:
I meant in the cabinetTheWhiteRabbit said:
Er there is...TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?0 -
No, not at all.. I'm trying to suss out who was a non-white in the previous Cabinet?John_M said:
May doesn't do tokenism, so we're told. Did you have anyone in mind?Fenster said:Dare I say it?
This is a very white cabinet.
Not that it bothers me either way, but weren't the Tories trying hard to tone down the whiteness?
Patel. Javid. Amiyah.
Any others?0 -
Infrastructure will be a massive job. The harsh reality for the right is that big infrastructure projects need state funding and drive to make them happen. The state can borrow the large amounts of cash far cheaper than private industry and can accommodate the prolonged payback period.
So what major projects would this new department need to go after?
1. Housing. Remove all the banked land from greedy housebuilders. Remove the disincentive to councils to allow development on brownfield. Get building on a large scale
2. Heathrow. Its in the wrong place. But there's no alternative, so get on with it already
3. High Speed Rail - we need massive capacity increases in the medium term, so get on with it already
4. Roads - a million and one schemes could be started tomorrow, from resurfacing to pinchpoints to bypasses to major new routes. Get on with it
5. Energy. Hinkley Point was a bad deal and has gone cold. Build our own. And readress the tarriffs making wind and tidal hard to do - we should be leading the world developing new energy generation
6. Fibre Broadband. Most people can't get access to it and its up to a private monopoly to provide it. Remove Openreach from the equation and build it ourselves0 -
His wife is now regretting not reading the end of MacbethMarqueeMark said:So how would you say the past month has gone, Mr Gove? Bit of a curates egg?
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There's a Duke of York but no estate (a duchy) to go with it.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Er there is...TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?0 -
Is every Cabinet position not technically approved by HMQ, given that it carries a salary?Icarus said:
Thats not what the release says.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, only the Duchy of Lancaster partIcarus said:"The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP as Conservative Party Chairman and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster."
Bloody hell does the Queen really approve the Conservative Party Chairman??0 -
@Shippersunbound: It took Margaret Thatcher three years to get the cabinet she wanted. It has taken Theresa May three days.
Not even three days - she's not been PM 24 hours yet....0 -
1399 and the seizure of the throne by Henry IV. One of the queen's titles. Funnily enough the Yorkists nicked the duchy of Lancaster when they claimed the crown even though they had no right to it (the duchy that is).TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?
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Prince Andrew is the Duke of York.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Er there is...TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
Or is it that Lancastrians need constant adult supervision?
However the duchy has no lands or income because of the Wars of the Roses denuding it, so there's no sinecure chancellery attached.0 -
Jeremy Hunt @Jeremy_Hunt 2m2 minutes ago
'Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated...'
This is because he was treated on a week day and not a weekend :-)0 -
It's official, I'm going on holiday to countries where gambling is illegal and PB is banned.
This might be the longest two weeks of my life.0 -
Well scumbag enjoy the fact you were wrong you loathsome tit. Jeremy is staying https://t.co/5fgFJb8w0J
— Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) July 14, 2016
Someone pissed in Mensch's cornflakes this morning.0 -
I saw that and immediately thought OMG - she really doesn't help herself or the Tory cause sometimes.TheScreamingEagles said:
The original tweet was an observation more than a dig at Hunt.0 -
Mark Harper leaves the government0
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Oh, she's gone full Trump.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
So where are all the new ladies in the government? Evans is one but she replaces another woman and Morgan and Villiers are both out.0
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You mean, why is there a Chancellorship and why is he in government? I think it's because the Duchy of Lancaster is the sovereign's private estate and source of income. So I guess the Chancellor is the equivalent role to a mediaeval steward for the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:Hold on, why is there a Duchy of Lancaster, but not a Duchy of York?
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@JamesAsser: Jeremy Hunt staying at health. More medical reaction. #reshuffle https://t.co/cYypn0BTOS0
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Ouch! Bit of a step down from yesterday's ministerial car. You'd think they'd call her a taxi.CarlottaVance said:@EyeSpyMP: Sacked @NickyMorgan01 at Westminster tube, pulling suitcase.
By the way, does anyone know why the Government Car Service have a preference for German-made cars? From watching yesterday's footage it appears that only the PM has a British-made car. Maybe they're trying to get trade concessions from the Brexit negotiations by pointing out to Merkel how even our ministers use their cars!0 -
Try a VPN.TheScreamingEagles said:It's official, I'm going on holiday to countries where gambling is illegal and PB is banned.
This might be the longest two weeks of my life.
http://hola.org/0 -
You know you can get Tor on your mobile right?TheScreamingEagles said:It's official, I'm going on holiday to countries where gambling is illegal and PB is banned.
This might be the longest two weeks of my life.0 -
Agree with the tone of your post if not all the details, but IANAE. We shoudl just get on wityh some STUFF certainly. HS2 I think is a daft idea but mehRochdalePioneers said:Infrastructure will be a massive job. The harsh reality for the right is that big infrastructure projects need state funding and drive to make them happen. The state can borrow the large amounts of cash far cheaper than private industry and can accommodate the prolonged payback period.
So what major projects would this new department need to go after?
1. Housing. Remove all the banked land from greedy housebuilders. Remove the disincentive to councils to allow development on brownfield. Get building on a large scale
2. Heathrow. Its in the wrong place. But there's no alternative, so get on with it already
3. High Speed Rail - we need massive capacity increases in the medium term, so get on with it already
4. Roads - a million and one schemes could be started tomorrow, from resurfacing to pinchpoints to bypasses to major new routes. Get on with it
5. Energy. Hinkley Point was a bad deal and has gone cold. Build our own. And readress the tarriffs making wind and tidal hard to do - we should be leading the world developing new energy generation
6. Fibre Broadband. Most people can't get access to it and its up to a private monopoly to provide it. Remove Openreach from the equation and build it ourselves
With record low bond yields we can borrow some cash cheaply now, and infrastructure cash is largely spent on our own economy anyway so is reasonably "Keynesian" (Did I mention IANAE?)
I would like to see that tidal barrier thing across the Severn. Sod the seabirds they can fly away surely...0 -
Sadnumbertwelve said:Mark Harper leaves the government
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I assume it's a "multi-source" policy, for the same reason police don't all use the same cars.Sandpit said:By the way, does anyone know why the Government Car Service have a preference for German-made cars? From watching yesterday's footage it appears that only the PM has a British-made car. Maybe they're trying to get trade concessions from the Brexit negotiations by pointing out to Merkel how even our ministers use their cars!
If there is a recall, they don't all go out of service at the same time.
I think Stephen Crabb got into a Toyota BTW.
Fire up the mid-priced saloons !0 -
No room in the Govt for people that turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants?numbertwelve said:Mark Harper leaves the government
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You're going to Mecca?TheScreamingEagles said:It's official, I'm going on holiday to countries where gambling is illegal and PB is banned.
This might be the longest two weeks of my life.0 -
They should have won the referendum if they wanted continuity.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Sacked or resigned?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadnumbertwelve said:Mark Harper leaves the government
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The Duchy of Lancaster is the Queen's second title and its holder is therefore a royal official. However, it now administers the Queen's private wealth and the title has no official duties as a result.
The Duke of York is a private member of the Royal family and his estate is therefore not a Crown matter. He has no estates because no Duke of York has inherited the title since 1461 and its estates have been merged into the Duchy of Lancaster as a result.0 -
I don't think May uses carrier pigeons.......JackW said:
The Keeper of the Privy Seal of Scotland is vacant ....PlatoSaid said:Greg Callus
For completeness, the Lord High Steward, Lord High Treasurer and Lord High Constable are either held in commission or for coronations only
I await a call .... and have done so since that last incumbent, the Marquess of Breadalbane, died in 1922 ....
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