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But then you went on to say "Everybody has already voted for that at the ballot box."PClipp said:
I said "everybody I know who voted for Leave", Mr Spencer. You Tories do get carried away, don`t you?AndrewSpencer said:
You've spoken to all 17 million Leave voters and can see into their minds can you? And you also know how everyone will feel if this is not implemented immediately? With this foresight into the minds of your fellow citizens have you ever thought about running for elected office yourself? You seem to have all the answers.PClipp said:
Oh, no, Mr Spencer. There may have been one or two other issues, but everybody I know who voted for Leave did so because they were going to put that 35,000,000 per week into the NHS. This was a firm promise by the Leave camapaign, headed by Mr Johnson, who is now a leading member of this Government.AndrewSpencer said:
You need to wait for us to leave the EU and then ask the chancellor. He can spend the money we save on whatever priorities the government decided upon and you can then approve or disapprove of it at the ballot box rather than having no say on it.PClipp said:
Yes, he was. Where`s our first 350,000,000 for the NHS? The first week is nearly up.AndrewSpencer said:
Given that Boris was the face of the most significant foreign policy decision this country has made in forty years then they really shouldn't regard it as unbelievable that he has a high profile role in its implementation. After all, it was only two weeks ago that he was favourite to be the new PM.Scott_P said:@AlbertoNardelli: Senior French government source on BoJo as foreign secretary: the word used by colleagues at Quai d'Orsay yesterday evening was "incredible"
Everybody has already voted for that at the ballot box. As you say, Mr Johnson has a high profile role in its implementation. He should either do that immediately, or be sacked on the spot. If he does not do it, nobody will ever believe a word of what Conservative politicians say, evr again.
Your outburst is no answer. The Tories who headed the Leave campaign have, through their blatant lies, won the referendum and destroyed the credibiity of the Conservative Party.0 -
The Moggster needs a job.FrankBooth said:
I want Crispin Blunt, Dominic Grieve, Damien Green, Rory Stewart and Jo Johnson. Here's hoping the Davis, Fox, Johson triumvirate was a sop to the Brexiteers who can do all the horrible Brexit related stuff (and take the flack) whilst the sensible one nationers get the rest.
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it's banter.. nothing morePlatoSaid said:
I've always thought rosbifs was a rather amusing put down. Never eaten a frog of any variety.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Vance, I sympathise, I've recently had some difficulty in that area myself [thanks again to pb and Mr. 43 in particular for their kind assistance. Even if you are filthy rosbifs].
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Scott_P said:
@chrisshipitv: Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.
Having both Gove and Osborne on the back benches is a mistake I think (you could easily see these two wrong 'uns forming an "alliance" to bring her down in due course) especially with Gove's connections to Murdoch.
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Let's say I (as a pedestrian) kicked a cyclist riding on the pavement & they fell off - what's the likelihood I'd be (a) prosecuted for assault or whatever (b) assaulted by the cyclist? Would either of us be able to claim self-defence?ThreeQuidder said:
So you're an average cyclist, then: a menace.Jobabob said:
Another shambles, then. A living, breathing manifestation of the oppressive "cyclists dismount" sign. I don't, by the way.JosiasJessop said:
They'll have to push their bikes over, with steps and a lift up (I think due to the restricted space on the northern side). That is, they'll be allowed to when it's not closed to the public for 'events'.Jobabob said:
I hadn't realise it did not allow cyclists. Kill it if so.JosiasJessop said:
But it wasn't going to be a 'treasure': it was a rich mans' plaything, an idea that was scrabbling around for a purpose.Charles said:
No need to apologise for disagreeing with me.JosiasJessop said:Sorry Charles, but I fear you're wrong.
If it is a sinecure as you claim (and I really think you're wrong on that), then the post should be abolished. In the meantime he could do enormous damage in his usual charming manner.
BTW, are you still supporting the Garden Bridge?
I'm a fan of the Garden Bridge - we need to leave treasures behind to improve London rather than just focusing on the utilitarian. But Khan's killed it, I think.
Things that have a defined and required purpose do not need to be 'utilitarian': they can also be beautiful. London is filled with things that were built for a defined purpose and yet are also beautiful. Sometimes the purpose enhances the beauty. Function enhancing form.
The Garden Bridge's beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but it's purpose is non-existent. A new bridge in London that would not allow cyclists seems broken at the beginning. And that leaves out the extortionate cost.
If Khan has killed it, then he's already done the London taxpayers a favour.
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Losers backed by Pasty?ThreeQuidder said:
Losers?Scott_P said:@chrisshipitv: Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.
There's a word I am searching for here...
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It depends on the scope of the role and the relationship between PM and DepPM.GIN1138 said:
Still a "non job" though really isn't it?JackW said:
No.GIN1138 said:Given DPM is a "non-job" I think Grayling could do it just fine. Wasn't it first created to soothe Helsetine's ego after he failed to become PM?
I mean, if Prezza can be DPM anybody can...
Attlee was DepPM to Churchill in WWII and others have included Eden, Morrison, Butler, Whitelaw and Howe.
More recently Heseltine Prescott and Clegg. The position is presently vacant and is completely in the gift of the PM
Churchill valued Attlee highly. Morrison and Eden were the potential/actual PM in waiting. Whitelaw was Thatcher's "Willie" and right hand man but Howe's position was a sop.
Heseltine had a wide brief and Major trusted and valued him as the "bastards" grew in strength. Clegg as DepPM was critical to the viability of the Coalition and clearly had extensive and deal breaking power across government.0 -
Amother politcal savvy chum (hmmm!) and I predicted both these moves last night. Would make sense for Grayling to remain as Commons Leader but with the additional DPM title (remember Sir GeoffreyJackW said:Sky News speculating that Leadsom will be bumped up from MoS at Energy to SoS. Also Grayling to Deputy PM role.
The former is plausible but I'm not sure about the later, although Grayling has missed a top job.
. He is clearly May's foremost supporter and that would make eminient sense.
We also thought Morgan will be out altogether of Education and possibly Villiers too (after she backed Leadsom). Possibly Damian Green at Justice or DCMS.....and just for laughs, Anna Soubry to Northern Ireland where she can get plastered with Martin McGuinness!0 -
Aren't Gove and Osborne pretty close friends? I wouldn't leave the pair of them unoccupied either.GIN1138 said:Scott_P said:@chrisshipitv: Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.
Having both Gove and Osborne on the back benches is a mistake I think (you could easily see these two forming an alliance to bring her down in due course) especially with Gove's connections to Murdoch.0 -
Indeed I was Paul, but it was with grandkids not for a painting masterclassPaul_Bedfordshire said:
I see Malcolm was up very early this morning.Scott_P said:0 -
It was all the lies and misinformation? I think you will find that the misinformation was at least as bad on the remain side, with the increasingly ridiculous claims of doom, they at least evened each other out.PClipp said:
I said "everybody I know who voted for Leave", Mr Spencer. You Tories do get carried away, don`t you?AndrewSpencer said:
You've spoken to all 17 million Leave voters and can see into their minds can you? And you also seem to have all the answers.PClipp said:AndrewSpencer said:
You need to wait for us to leave the EU and then ask the chancellor. He can spend the money we save on whatever priorities the government decided upon and you can then approve or disapprove of it at the ballot box rather than having no say on it.PClipp said:
Yes, he was. Where`s our first 350,000,000 for the NHS? The first week is nearly up.AndrewSpencer said:
Given that Boris was the face of the most significant foreign policy decision this country has made in forty years then they really shouldn't regard it as unbelievable that he has a high profile role in its implementation. After all, it was only two weeks ago that he was favourite to be the new PM.Scott_P said:@AlbertoNardelli: Senior French government source on BoJo as foreign secretary: the word used by colleagues at Quai d'Orsay yesterday evening was "incredible"
Everybody has already voted for that at the ballot box. As you say, Mr Johnson has a high profile role in its implementation. He should either do that immediately, or be sacked on the spot. If he does not do it, nobody will ever believe a word of what Conservative politicians say, evr again.
Your outburst is no answer. The Tories who headed the Leave campaign have, through their blatant lies, won the referendum and destroyed the credibiity of the Conservative Party.
It was a massive error to connect the 350 million gross figure to some uk spending, saying £175 million wouldnt have looked any less impressive. It's a "very big number", hardly anyone can comprehend a figure so large, it makes little difference saying £175mil over £350 mill. Throughout the campaign this 'error' was repeatedly shredded apart.
The will of the British people was expressed, in a way theyve not expressed anything for 25 years. The Conservative Party today, this morning is as strong and dominant as it was on the morning of 8th May, if not even more dominant.0 -
Rumours from Beth on Sky = Gove, Hancock and Javid out.
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This thread boils down to: person who has never been to France likes irritating French people and calls French people frogs. Not much point in continuing beyond that.
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Mr. Gin, if Osborne wants to keep playing the game, he might prove a problem for May, long-term. Would he be able/willing to forgive Gove?
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One paper a few weeks ago said they are holidaying together this summer.PlatoSaid said:
Aren't Gove and Osborne pretty close friends? I wouldn't leave the pair of them unoccupied either.GIN1138 said:Scott_P said:@chrisshipitv: Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.
Having both Gove and Osborne on the back benches is a mistake I think (you could easily see these two forming an alliance to bring her down in due course) especially with Gove's connections to Murdoch.
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@Jobabob
'I have numerous French friends and I would never call them frogs, ever. I suggest if you ever get off your backside, out of your own backyard, and meet some, you don't either.
That advice is gratuit.'
My wife is a French national that's lived in the UK for many years (and has not bothered to take the UK nationality),she and her friends think 'frogs' is funny and will often refer to themselves as the froggies and UK nationals as 'the roast beef'
The only thing they seem to find offensive is the NHS which they collectively think is crap compared with the French health care system.
You need to occasionally get out of your left wing PC bubble.
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I think they've fallen out over Brexit but you could easily see them plotting and scheming with each other to destabilize the government...PlatoSaid said:
Aren't Gove and Osborne pretty close friends? I wouldn't leave the pair of them unoccupied either.GIN1138 said:Scott_P said:@chrisshipitv: Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.
Having both Gove and Osborne on the back benches is a mistake I think (you could easily see these two forming an alliance to bring her down in due course) especially with Gove's connections to Murdoch.0 -
Mathew Hancock sacked by May apparently. Not before time - he was useless and only there with Osborne support.
Looks some of the Osborne followers are being thinned out. Javid next to face the chop?0 -
And my point was that you haven't spoken to everyone who voted leave and so your anecdotal and I corroborated evidence was meaningless. That you then further asserted that nobody would believe the Tories now further underlines the point that you are coming at this from a particular perspective. According to ICM Tory support is unchanged since the GE where they won a majority of seats so I don't think their credibility has been destroyed by the assertions of Tories, or indeed people of other parties, on both sides of the campaign.PClipp said:
I said "everybody I know who voted for Leave", Mr Spencer. You Tories do get carried away, don`t you?AndrewSpencer said:
You've spoken to all 17 million Leave voters and can see into their minds can you? And you also know how everyone will feel if this is not implemented immediately? With this foresight into the minds of your fellow citizens have you ever thought about running for elected office yourself? You seem to have all the answers.PClipp said:
Oh, no, Mr Spencer. There may have been one or two other issues, but everybody I know who voted for Leave did so because they were going to put that 35,000,000 per week into the NHS. This was a firm promise by the Leave camapaign, headed by Mr Johnson, who is now a leading member of this Government.AndrewSpencer said:
You need to wait for us to leave the EU and then ask the chancellor. He can spend the money we save on whatever priorities the government decided upon and you can then approve or disapprove of it at the ballot box rather than having no say on it.PClipp said:
Yes, he was. Where`s our first 350,000,000 for the NHS? The first week is nearly up.AndrewSpencer said:
Given that Boris was the face of the most significant foreign policy decision this country has made in forty years then they really shouldn't regard it as unbelievable that he has a high profile role in its implementation. After all, it was only two weeks ago that he was favourite to be the new PM.Scott_P said:@AlbertoNardelli: Senior French government source on BoJo as foreign secretary: the word used by colleagues at Quai d'Orsay yesterday evening was "incredible"
Everybody has already voted for that at the ballot box. As you say, Mr Johnson has a high profile role in its implementation. He should either do that immediately, or be sacked on the spot. If he does not do it, nobody will ever believe a word of what Conservative politicians say, evr again.
Your outburst is no answer. The Tories who headed the Leave campaign have, through their blatant lies, won the referendum and destroyed the credibiity of the Conservative Party.
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How Hancock got the prominence he achieved always baffled me...TCPoliticalBetting said:Rumours from Beth on Sky = Gove, Hancock and Javid out.
More good news.
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A good point - France not shedding any tears over this vote. Interestingly as an aside, I haven't had one single negative comment from people in France regarding Brexit generally, no one is hurt, upset, etc that we voted to leave. My own girlfriend is glad we voted leave (aside from any potential personal complications on FoM), as her in her opinion "the UK always wants to do things differently, it slows everyone down". That will be the prevailing view in France I think, get rid of us quickly and as much to their advantage as possible.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bob, my French comment was wry and not intended for serious consumption.
On the 'allies' point, we do co-operate closely on military matters but it's worth noting the frogs are very much against achieving a good deal with the UK.0 -
It sends a message about how plotters are scorned. Good for discipline. Gove, may IMHO go back into the media from whence he came. Osborne's paid for supporters will be wanting to create a large distance from him.GIN1138 said:
Having both Gove and Osborne on the back benches is a mistake I think (you could easily see these two wrong 'uns forming an "alliance" to bring her down in due course) especially with Gove's connections to Murdoch.Scott_P said:@chrisshipitv: Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.
One junior's fate to look out for Claire Perry.
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BJs4GO?Mortimer said:
How Hancock got the prominence he achieved always baffled me...TCPoliticalBetting said:Rumours from Beth on Sky = Gove, Hancock and Javid out.
More good news.
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So, good at the most important bit then. If he had been genuinely inadequate over two terms (because of laziness or anything else) I would expect to see more concrete evidence than anonymous gossip attributed to his underlings.IanB2 said:
Talk to people at City Hall. Boris was good at picking people to do the work; he himself was hardly ever there, and didn't take the role seriously when he was.Ishmael_X said:
I do not understand this "bone idle" thing at all, least of all from people like me who fritter their time away on PB. You don't get to or stay where Boris is without hard work, unless you are an hereditary crown prince. I would think he gets more done on a day off than I do in a year. London does not run itself, firsts at Oxford do not award themselves, Telegraph columns do not write themselves.Jobabob said:
I said last night that to his credit he is a cultured guy who speaks fluent French and Italian and is a francophile and lover of Europe, its food, wine and women. That's good. But he is also very accident prone and he will make an embarrassing mistake at some point and yet again will require sacking. He is also bone idle and – as he has a young family – probably not suited to spending most of his time out of the country!MaxPB said:
Boris does all of those things, regularly. He is the most cultured and open of our politicians. He will be a very good FS, especially now that the hard work parts have been handed to Davis and Fox.Jobabob said:
So you are calling them frogs now? I normally enjoy your posts but to be honest this francophobic thing you have going on does you no credit.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bob, my French comment was wry and not intended for serious consumption.
On the 'allies' point, we do co-operate closely on military matters but it's worth noting the frogs are very much against achieving a good deal with the UK.
Learn a bit of French, go to France on holiday, chat to the people, bask in the sunshine, drink the wine, enjoy the food. You'll soon learn. Visit London while you are at it. There are 200,000 French people in our city and its much the richer for them.
What I understand even less is Boris throwing in the towel on the leadership. I had this down to a serious skeleton in a closet but that now looks a bum theory.0 -
Sky News - PM making phone calls to sack ministers ....
Gove has chucked his in the Thames .... (he may feel like joining it)0 -
"Told DECC to be folded into BIS."
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ye gads we even allow jobbies to postJobabob said:
Agreed. I have very much warmed to Scott these past few months – he makes some good points at times, often pointing out the ridiculousness of certain politicians with a well placed tweet or reference.JackW said:
I'm always somewhat amused by critical views of @Scott_Pblackburn63 said:
Do you ever actually leave the house and engage with people? You ought to give it a try.Scott_P said:@AlbertoNardelli: Senior French government source on BoJo as foreign secretary: the word used by colleagues at Quai d'Orsay yesterday evening was "incredible"
PB isn't an echo chamber for any one view. He fights his corner and other are free to do the same. The site is much richer for such diversity.
Good lord, we even allow turnip farmers on PB and the odd, very odd peer of the realm too.0 -
Javid was my biggest dissappointment as a cabinet minister. He could have been a contender.David_Evershed said:Mathew Hancock sacked by May apparently. Not before time - he was useless and only there with Osborne support.
Looks some of the Osborne followers are being thinned out. Javid next to face the chop?
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It is a remarkable poll. 9-11 July. Sample size 1021.Mortimer said:
In an opinion poll, praps - but likely not in the real world.theakes said:Apparently there is a IPSOS MORI poll taken 8th - 11th July, Lib Dems on 11% and UKIP on 8%.
How long since Lib Dems in 3rd place?
Con 36% Lab 35% LD 11% UKIP 8% Grn 4%
LD 12 seats
Con 22 short of majority
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Gossip dripping with poison isn't it?GIN1138 said:
I think they've fallen out over Brexit but you could easily see them plotting and scheming with each other to destabilize the government...PlatoSaid said:
Aren't Gove and Osborne pretty close friends? I wouldn't leave the pair of them unoccupied either.GIN1138 said:Scott_P said:@chrisshipitv: Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.
Having both Gove and Osborne on the back benches is a mistake I think (you could easily see these two forming an alliance to bring her down in due course) especially with Gove's connections to Murdoch.
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That's a lot of intelligent people that will find a way of keeping busy. Better to use them for the Brexit team, or in a policy development role, on the basis of the "inside the tent" theory.TCPoliticalBetting said:Rumours from Beth on Sky = Gove, Hancock and Javid out.
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Didn’t think Fox would get a look in, but thought Davis might, after his ConHome article demonstrated he was the thinking man’s Leaver.PlatoSaid said:0 -
Surely this hagiography must be by the Nat-onal?
'Brexit Made One U.K. Leader Look Good, and We’re Not Talking Theresa May'
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What's May going to do with Brokenshire? He was always sent out to bat when crap HO news was on the TV.0
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Given the "You Brecks It You Fix It", approach being taken to corralling Brexit Tories back from their flight, what other ministries are likely to house Brexiteers if things are taken to their logical conclusion?
I'd have though Health, Business, DEFRA from the cabinet positions, possibly even Scotland - Leadsome and Patel perhaps have 2 of those positions with their names on; Immigration, Science, Universities in junior roles and perhaps a few others.0 -
Wheels come off.
Hammond revealed to have been both a goth and a guardian reader.
twitter.com/richardm56/status/333699601024577536
HUGE MISTAKE.
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We can always rely on you to give us a laughMaxPB said:It really doesn't matter what the French think about Boris, or the anyone else for that matter. The job is there as a sop to the Brexit right, the important parts of it have been given to more serious politicians, Davis and Fox. Boris is there to go and speak French and Latin to the rest of the world and do what Boris did so well for London. Drum up business and show that we are still an open country. Like him or hate him, he is cultured, educated and can turn a phrase. His reputation may be a little bit bruised, but once the next major international event takes place he will be back to doing what he does best. Boris will Boris his way through the world, and that's no bad thing.
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I always thought he was over promoted. But surely he will get a loyalty job, Transport, Local Govt?PlatoSaid said:What's May going to do with Brokenshire? He was always sent out to bat when crap HO news was on the TV.
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In which case they will all vote LD next time and your party is saved.... maybe.PClipp said:
I said "everybody I know who voted for Leave", Mr Spencer. You Tories do get carried away, don`t you?AndrewSpencer said:
You've spoken to all 17 million Leave voters and can see into their minds can you? And you also know how everyone will feel if this is not implemented immediately? With this foresight into the minds of your fellow citizens have you ever thought about running for elected office yourself? You seem to have all the answers.PClipp said:
Oh, no, Mr Spencer. There may have been one or two other issues, but everybody I know who voted for Leave did so because they were going to put that 35,000,000 per week into the NHS. This was a firm promise by the Leave camapaign, headed by Mr Johnson, who is now a leading member of this Government.AndrewSpencer said:
You need to wait for us to leave the EU and then ask the chancellor. He can spend the money we save on whatever priorities the government decided upon and you can then approve or disapprove of it at the ballot box rather than having no say on it.PClipp said:
Yes, he was. Where`s our first 350,000,000 for the NHS? The first week is nearly up.AndrewSpencer said:
Given that Boris was the face of the most significant foreign policy decision this country has made in forty years then they really shouldn't regard it as unbelievable that he has a high profile role in its implementation. After all, it was only two weeks ago that he was favourite to be the new PM.Scott_P said:@AlbertoNardelli: Senior French government source on BoJo as foreign secretary: the word used by colleagues at Quai d'Orsay yesterday evening was "incredible"
Everybody has already voted for that at the ballot box. As you say, Mr Johnson has a high profile role in its implementation. He should either do that immediately, or be sacked on the spot. If he does not do it, nobody will ever believe a word of what Conservative politicians say, evr again.
Your outburst is no answer. The Tories who headed the Leave campaign have, through their blatant lies, won the referendum and destroyed the credibiity of the Conservative Party.0 -
It was indeed, Mr Me. That was the Remain campaign headed by Mssrs Cameron and Osborne. It was disgraceful. Fortunately they have now been booted out by Mrs May, so they have paid the price (to some extent) for their incompetence, arrogance and bullying.notme said:It was all the lies and misinformation? I think you will find that the misinformation was at least as bad on the remain side, with the increasingly ridiculous claims of doom, they at least evened each other out.
The Conservative Party has been greatly diminished by the antics of the lot of them.0 -
Something that doesn't involve being very good on the TV either - he always looked shifty and uncomfortable.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I always thought he was over promoted. But surely he will get a loyalty job, Transport, Local Govt?PlatoSaid said:What's May going to do with Brokenshire? He was always sent out to bat when crap HO news was on the TV.
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I had a ted suit in 1975, long hair in 1976 and into punk in 1977.anotherDave said:Wheels come off.
Hammond revealed to have been both a goth and a guardian reader.
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Typical elitist left wing London TwonkScott_P said:
Thank you Sir.JackW said:PB isn't an echo chamber for any one view. The site is much richer for such diversity.
Good lord, we even allow turnip farmers on PB and the odd, very odd peer of the realm too.
And for those who really don't want to read anything I post, there is a handy feature they can use. My name appears directly before every post...0 -
BBC - Gove sacked0
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Leadsom now answering energy questions in the Commons.
Pointing out that despite pre referendum threats, Siemans have now said they are staying in Hull to build windfarms and are commited to the UK.
I wonder if she has her phone on silent?0 -
Health Secretary is the new Home Secretary, where careers go to die. Maybe she'll put Gove there if she doesn't sack him.JackW said:
It appears Boris was shocked to get the call to Downing Street last night, speculating only a hour before that he expected nothing !!PlatoSaid said:Read elsewhere that Boris played a backchannel role between May/Leadsom teams in the days before the result. Grayling of course was a big May man in the last few days and a frontman for her.
For a man written off as a complete idiot by many on here for years - if he became DPM, that'd be rather entertaining.
Hunt's also been out and about before the cameras. He's previously said he didn't want another portfolio after Health - but who knows anything anymore. We've shaken the political kaleidoscope.
Grayling is a bit of a dark horse. I'm not sure where to place him. To me Hunt has seemed a little demob happy in the past few days. Cameron stuck with him but I wonder whether May will put a new (female) face into Health, possibly Greening and he'll go to the backbenches.0 -
Rob , perfectly acceptable before or afterRobD said:
If used after the word 'Tory'?Theuniondivvie said:
Lumbering analogy alert.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, the equivalent of frog is rosbif.
Your comparison is as flawed as SNP MPs whining about not being allowed to clap all the time in the Commons, then refusing to do so when Cameron left on the basis they couldn't do it every day.
Of course, one realises your desire for an Auld Alliance to be reborn may be colouring your judgement of jesting about the French
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Unless he promises to deliver the autumn statement in full classic goth garb, white foundation and eyeliner. Philip Budgethands.anotherDave said:Wheels come off.
Hammond revealed to have been both a goth and a guardian reader.
twitter.com/richardm56/status/333699601024577536
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People are still clinging to Ipsos Mori polls?
Dear lord.
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High quality piss-taking from the metro;
"Theresa May became Britain’s new prime minister, but her husband’s big fashion moment stole the show.
Stepping into the limelight as First Man, Philip May showcased a sexy navy suit with a flourish of pinstripe."
Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/13/theresa-mays-husband-steals-the-show-in-sexy-navy-suit-as-he-starts-new-life-as-first-man-6005294/#ixzz4ENCiHLpA
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Bizarrely I have once , in Texas when roaring drunk.PlatoSaid said:
I've always thought rosbifs was a rather amusing put down. Never eaten a frog of any variety.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Vance, I sympathise, I've recently had some difficulty in that area myself [thanks again to pb and Mr. 43 in particular for their kind assistance. Even if you are filthy rosbifs].
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Yes, no wonder he struggled to get a new constituency for 2015.PlatoSaid said:
Something that doesn't involve being very good on the TV either - he always looked shifty and uncomfortable.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I always thought he was over promoted. But surely he will get a loyalty job, Transport, Local Govt?PlatoSaid said:What's May going to do with Brokenshire? He was always sent out to bat when crap HO news was on the TV.
"Brokenshire was aware that his constituency, Hornchurch, was to be dissolved for the next election. In November 2006, he applied for selection as the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Witham in Essex, but he was defeated by Priti Patel.[4] He simultaneously campaigned to be selected as Conservative candidate for the constituency of Hornchurch and Upminster, but in March 2007 was defeated there by Angela Watkinson.[5]
He next stood for Gillingham and Rainham in July 2007, Grantham and Stamford in October 2007, North East Cambridgeshire in January 2008, and Maidstone and The Weald later that same month. He was unsuccessful in all of these attempts.[6]"wikipedia0 -
So Gove is the only leadership candidate not to be given a promotion?
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Ted suits are a classic. Never out of style.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I had a ted suit in 1975, long hair in 1976 and into punk in 1977.anotherDave said:Wheels come off.
Hammond revealed to have been both a goth and a guardian reader.
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Karma is a bitchJackW said:BBC - Gove sacked
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Nadine Dorries sent a Tweet saying Posh Boys out - only to discover later that Eton and Bullingdon Club Johnson brought in to be Foreign Sec.0
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I was in France recently on my way to Italy. SNCF were an utter disgrace. The Motorail service down to Nice was poor: underinvested, surly and unhelpful staff with zero interest in helping their customers, the train was 3 hours late arriving, insufficient staff to unload the cars and the ramp was so poor it broke. Basically, rather than saving a day's driving we wasted a day hanging around Nice railway station waiting for SNCF to provide the bloody service we'd paid (handsomely) for. On the way back, they flatly refused to put our car on the train despite us arriving at the designated time because all their staff had finished and gone.
Absolutely piss poor service and will not be using it again.
There are nice aspects to France but I'm afraid that this experience - and a previous holiday - where I found the restaurant food to be far less good and reliable than I had anticipated - have rather soured my view of the place as a holiday destination. Sadly.
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It's a shame, only in the sense that he was doing good things at Justice. prisons are a mess and a powder keg.FrankMuller said:
Karma is a bitchJackW said:BBC - Gove sacked
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Much as I treasure the vision of Mogadon Phil in eyeliner, he would have been in his mid twenties even at the very dawn of Gothdom.anotherDave said:Wheels come off.
Hammond revealed to have been both a goth and a guardian reader.
twitter.com/richardm56/status/333699601024577536
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TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes, no wonder he struggled to get a new constituency for 2015.PlatoSaid said:
Something that doesn't involve being very good on the TV either - he always looked shifty and uncomfortable.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I always thought he was over promoted. But surely he will get a loyalty job, Transport, Local Govt?PlatoSaid said:What's May going to do with Brokenshire? He was always sent out to bat when crap HO news was on the TV.
"Brokenshire was aware that his constituency, Hornchurch, was to be dissolved for the next election. In November 2006, he applied for selection as the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Witham in Essex, but he was defeated by Priti Patel.[4] He simultaneously campaigned to be selected as Conservative candidate for the constituency of Hornchurch and Upminster, but in March 2007 was defeated there by Angela Watkinson.[5]
He next stood for Gillingham and Rainham in July 2007, Grantham and Stamford in October 2007, North East Cambridgeshire in January 2008, and Maidstone and The Weald later that same month. He was unsuccessful in all of these attempts.[6]"wikipedia
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We don't know about Leadsom yet.grabcocque said:So Gove is the only leadership candidate not to be given a promotion?
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Also, would May be PM without Gove's double treachery?0
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Boris got to Eton on a scholarship.David_Evershed said:Nadine Dorries sent a Tweet saying Posh Boys out - only to discover later that Eton and Bullingdon Club Johnson brought in to be Foreign Sec.
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Mr Malc; jobbie has a different meaning outside of Scotland. As my scots pals found out to much hilarity in our first weeks at BNC.0
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Right now she is the ranking minister in the department since Rudd is Home Secretary.David_Evershed said:Leadsom now answering energy questions in the Commons.
Pointing out that despite pre referendum threats, Siemans have now said they are staying in Hull to build windfarms and are commited to the UK.
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Bought mail order for £7.50 in a batch from advert in NME when 16yrs old. Later sold for £5 after quite a few wearings.anotherDave said:
Ted suits are a classic. Never out of style.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I had a ted suit in 1975, long hair in 1976 and into punk in 1977.anotherDave said:Wheels come off.
Hammond revealed to have been both a goth and a guardian reader.
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Bin man walks past Sky News in Downing Street ....
Gove got the sack and now in one moving past Adam Boulton ....
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There's a vacancy in UKIP.geoffw said:The Moggster needs a job.
FrankBooth said:I want Crispin Blunt, Dominic Grieve, Damien Green, Rory Stewart and Jo Johnson. Here's hoping the Davis, Fox, Johson triumvirate was a sop to the Brexiteers who can do all the horrible Brexit related stuff (and take the flack) whilst the sensible one nationers get the rest.
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Not yet, but she would have beaten Boris. The blue rinse brigade that Leadsom was trying to tap for her leadership bid would never have voted for Boris. Additionally, Boris would struggle to get the moderniser votes because he'd just stabbed Dave and George in the back. In that race I would guess 65-35 to May compared to 80-20 in the Leadsom race.rottenborough said:Also, would May be PM without Gove's double treachery?
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Francis Elliott @elliotttimes
My prediction for new justice secretary is Dominic Grieve.0 -
Not quite. 'Access to the Single Market' is not the same as 'part of the Single Market'. Whatever happens, the City will have some access to the Single Market; the question is how much, on what terms.stjohn said:I don't get it. May is quoted as saying we must end freedom of movement of EU citizens. Hammond says, "we need to ensure access to the single market for our financial services industry." These two positions are incompatible aren't they?
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What is it with the TMZ style doorstep "interviews" of politicians. It is bloody stupid screaming at them from across the road with a question and a "witty" follow up. Can we just stop this nonsense.0
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Very, very disappointed if it's true that Michael Gove is out. I would have supported him for leader. He's very bright and very capable, and this just looks vindictive to me.0
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PlatoSaid said:
What's May going to do with Brokenshire? He was always sent out to bat when crap HO news was on the TV.
Didn't he employ an illegal immigrant as a nanny whilst in charge of immigration?
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The Government recently wrote of £150 million debt so that tolls could be reduced to £1.50 each way. It appears there is only £172 million left to pay. (The cost to construct it was less than that!)JosiasJessop said:
I'm not sure the Humber Bridge is in the wrong place - it certainly saved my many, many miles of walking up to Goole on my coastal walk.Blue_rog said:Gosh, started reading that and thought it was about the Humber bridge
They are still paying it off though - at least the last I heard, despite massively increased traffic.0 -
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Will be interesting to revisit this in a few months
@annemcelvoy: Those with Gove allergies will cheer defenestration - but it could be one too many for TM. It starts to feel like a purge.0 -
Ipsos MORI were one of the worst pollsters at the GE and the referendum. Until they fix their methodology we can put them in the ignore pile.Barnesian said:
It is a remarkable poll. 9-11 July. Sample size 1021.Mortimer said:
In an opinion poll, praps - but likely not in the real world.theakes said:Apparently there is a IPSOS MORI poll taken 8th - 11th July, Lib Dems on 11% and UKIP on 8%.
How long since Lib Dems in 3rd place?
Con 36% Lab 35% LD 11% UKIP 8% Grn 4%
LD 12 seats
Con 22 short of majority0 -
Morgan out0
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You make that sound like a bad thing. Gove had become cancerous. What do you do with metastasising tissue? CUT CUT CUT.Scott_P said:Will be interesting to revisit this in a few months
@annemcelvoy: Those with Gove allergies will cheer defenestration - but it could be one too many for TM. It starts to feel like a purge.0 -
Perhaps, although I have literally no sympathy considering the way he conducted himself.rottenborough said:
It's a shame, only in the sense that he was doing good things at Justice. prisons are a mess and a powder keg.FrankMuller said:
Karma is a bitchJackW said:BBC - Gove sacked
I can actually imagine the Godfather kind of scene where May is sitting stroking Larry the cat and Boris pleads to her for Gove to be taken out lol0 -
Nooo! - she was the future once..Scott_P said:Morgan out
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Did he?!David_Evershed said:PlatoSaid said:What's May going to do with Brokenshire? He was always sent out to bat when crap HO news was on the TV.
Didn't he employ an illegal immigrant as a nanny whilst in charge of immigration?
I remember Baroness Scotland doing that when in some big knob job.0 -
Saves a Sec of State to compensate for the extra Brexit Sec of State. There is a limit to cabinet salaries.anotherDave said:"Told DECC to be folded into BIS."
twitter.com/PaulGoodmanCH/status/753502601333923840
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Problem with Gove is he has a unique talent for going into a room with people who generally agree with him and manages to leave with them now annoyed at him. That said I would have kept him at justice as by all accounts he was doing a decent job.0
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Nicky Morgan out as Education Secy - Sky News
Another smart move. Way over promoted. Good that Mrs May prepared to do this.0 -
Yesterday my source flagged there was a tussle between acknowledging his talent and grave disquiet about recent events. The later won out comfortably in the end, made even more stark by his frostly relations with PM MayTGOHF said:0 -
Grayling must be pencilled in as Deputy PM.
Gove gone. Temporarily I expect. No doubt he'll need some time rehabilitating himself after the Boris incident, which has made him toxic at present.
Nicky Morgan gone. I'm happy with that - she isn't my cup of tea at all.
I wonder if she'll bring back a big hitter as Chief Whip or Lord Chancellor.
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BBC - Nick Morgan likely sacked.
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