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Excellent to see the lying toerag Osborne out0
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Obama to Johnson for scaremongeringSouthamObserver said:0 -
Theresa May surprises everyone with her sense of humour, when she appoints Liam Fox as Minister for Fox Hunting.
Just to mess with his paranoia....0 -
@PeterMannionMP: Foreign Office will look forward to exacting a slow, painful revenge on Boris Johnson. Important visits to shitholes of the world scheduled.0
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Well he's Turkish and American so should have a keen interest in the most difficult and most important countries at the moment.glw said:PM's only been in the job a couple of hours and she's been driven mad already!
Boris as Foreign Secretary! We'd better start digging those bomb shelters after all.0 -
He could have joined Cameron as they left Downing Street.kle4 said:0 -
Osborne and May have history. His acolytes briefed against her. It is known.kle4 said:0 -
Boris is notoriously bone idle – so suspect she wants someone in the FCO who will do the square root of f-all and let the civil servants get on with it with interferingScott_P said:@hugorifkind: If it cheers you up, though, Boris Johnson probably just took a pay cut of £250k pa.
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Common politeness? I know Blair did it by text, but May is a better human being than he is.DecrepitJohnL said:Osborne sacked -- does it ring true or is it spin? Why would he need to be sacked in person?
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You look people in the eye if you sack themDecrepitJohnL said:Osborne sacked -- does it ring true or is it spin? Why would he need to be sacked in person?
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How disappointing to see Boris as Foreign Secretary. Yes he could surprise us all but this smacks of party management. Big big risk.0
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"George, if you go through that door there, you'll see what job I've offered you..."kle4 said:0 -
Purely for the massive satisfaction it will have given her. I bet she offered him coats and bags or something impossible to accept, at least I hope soDecrepitJohnL said:Osborne sacked -- does it ring true or is it spin? Why would he need to be sacked in person?
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Anybody but Fox, please lord no Fox in cabinet0
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Is Monty Hall in there with her?MarqueeMark said:
"George, if you go through that door there, you'll see what job I've offered you..."kle4 said:0 -
Given the party was deeply split on the issue but it is often claimed that they would have been less rocked if Cameron and Co had pitched for Leave instead, I would assume those going for Remain, rightly or wrongly, must have been thinking they put country before party.John_M said:
He got off to a strong start but was possessed by the vengeful shade of Gordon Brown. His referendum campaign was all political. Party before country. Bad man.Danny565 said:Virtually the whole of PB rejoicing at Osborne's sacking.
And who said politics wasn't able to unite people anymore?0 -
Silly. Chat about Piccaninnies and Africans hating the UK is PB Tory chortle funny.SouthamObserver said:0 -
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What's interesting about that is that I'm unsure whether he's referring to Clinton or Trump.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Minister for Conscious Uncouplingkle4 said:
Minister for Refreshed European Management And International Negotiations.RobD said:
"Ministry of Divorce from the Continental Bastards"TheWhiteRabbit said:
It would sound a bit Newspeak to have a "Ministry of Europe" when the purpose is to leave it.RobD said:
I was wondering the same thing too...... Hopefully it's Ministry of Europe or something.Paristonda said:Btw is the Brexit secretary actually going to be called Secretary of State for Brexit? Surely something more official sounding?
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Scott_P said:
@hugorifkind: If it cheers you up, though, Boris Johnson probably just took a pay cut of £250k pa.
Boris is notoriously bone idle – so suspect she wants someone in the FCO who will do the square root of f-all and let the civil servants get on with it without the minister interfering0 -
Didn't Blair used to do it in the Rose Garden?TheWhiteRabbit said:
You look people in the eye if you sack themDecrepitJohnL said:Osborne sacked -- does it ring true or is it spin? Why would he need to be sacked in person?
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Ha, a good point, he surely can't continue to write his Telegraph columns at £5k a pop?Scott_P said:@hugorifkind: If it cheers you up, though, Boris Johnson probably just took a pay cut of £250k pa.
OTOH, his vetting must have checked out okay if he's to be put in charge of James Bond.0 -
Fox likes a bit of trade. Doesn't he?saddened said:Anybody but Fox, please lord no Fox in cabinet
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Think of the book deal he will get when he leaves / gets sacked though....he might be lazy, but I bet he records everything ala Bad Al and gets a series of books of his time in office out of it.Scott_P said:@hugorifkind: If it cheers you up, though, Boris Johnson probably just took a pay cut of £250k pa.
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jonny83 said:
She's clearly trying to form some kind of Unity Cabinet to keep the party on side, but some of these appointments could make her look silly if they don't pan out.
I wonder if Leadsom will get anything? I wouldn't if I was May but unity...
Boris will be well out of the way at the FCO – Foreign Secs spend much of their lives abroad.0 -
Hillary I think but Boris can suck up to anyone if he needs toThe_Apocalypse said:
What's interesting about that is that I'm unsure whether he's referring to Clinton or Trump.SouthamObserver said:0 -
He peaked too soon. MP at 30, shadow Chancellor at 34, Chancellor at 39.Jobabob said:0 -
I thought it would have been nailed on that Grayling would get something big.0
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Hammond to CoE, best decision in many many years. Given the past year, where reality has been like 5 seasons of House of Cards, what we need the most boring man in UK politics to guide the economy in a calm manner and without of the Brownian nonsense of Osborne.0
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Oh without a doubt the former.The_Apocalypse said:
What's interesting about that is that I'm unsure whether he's referring to Clinton or Trump.SouthamObserver said:
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And mine. I can't say I'm going to give her a chance if she boots Osborne and then go back on it like some REMAIN.tlg86 said:
She's gone up in my estimation.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
Not thrilled about the other picks, but there we go.0 -
It will probably go up! The government won't have much choice but to spend its way out of the shit with the Brexit penalty.RobD said:
Direction of travel will still be important though... It's got to be reduced!kle4 said:
I'll only rejoice if his successor does a better job. It shouldn't be that hard, but on the other hand the deficit being educed is probably off the table now given Brexit, so the successor doesn't have to try to manage that while not pissing off too many voters.Danny565 said:Virtually the whole of PB rejoicing at Osborne's sacking.
And who said politics wasn't able to unite people anymore?0 -
I genuinely feel like having Boris in the Foreign Office is like appointing Prince Philip as Foreign Secretary. The end results will be exactly the same.HYUFD said:
Hillary I think but Boris can suck up to anyone if he needs toThe_Apocalypse said:
What's interesting about that is that I'm unsure whether he's referring to Clinton or Trump.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Osborne is at least partly responsible for spooking the markets. The 'punishment budget' was incredibly ill-judged. The treasury forecast was savaged. He could have played with a straight bat and still made a very powerful case for Remain.kle4 said:
Given the party was deeply split on the issue but it is often claimed that they would have been less rocked if Cameron and Co had pitched for Leave instead, I would assume those going for Remain, rightly or wrongly, must have been thinking they put country before party.John_M said:
He got off to a strong start but was possessed by the vengeful shade of Gordon Brown. His referendum campaign was all political. Party before country. Bad man.Danny565 said:Virtually the whole of PB rejoicing at Osborne's sacking.
And who said politics wasn't able to unite people anymore?0 -
Not as an MP, unless he's still one in 10 years.williamglenn said:0 -
BBC - David Davis is Brexit Sec0
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who gives a fuck what Obama thinks now its Hilary or Trump now.kle4 said:
Hopefully it won't be picaninny at least. They can they work to a position of respect from there.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Someone should alert Trump. No doubt he'd be happy to use it in his campaign speeches.MikeK said:
Oh without a doubt the former.The_Apocalypse said:
What's interesting about that is that I'm unsure whether he's referring to Clinton or Trump.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Osborne out - good
Hammond up - good
Davis back - good
Rudd up - neutral
Johnson - more than cancels the rest out and leaves plenty of negative over.
I really hope she's thought this through or it could cause massive problems six months from now. Boris is not a loose cannon, he's a ticking time bomb connected to a powder magazine.0 -
Davis is back in!0
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Davis to lead the the EU exit negotiations. Another good appointment.0
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she drinks the blood of small childrenold_labour said:
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AndyJS said:Amber Rudd is the same age as Andrea Leadsom but looks about 20 years younger.
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David Davis confirmed as BREXIT Secretary. Hammond was a key Davis backer in 2005, Davis also backed Boris before May, looks like he may have the last laugh over the Cameroons with Cameron gone, Osborne sacked, Boles returning to the backbenches and Gove unlikely to get anything0
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Here is a very hot potato....catch....JackW said:BBC - David Davis is Brexit Sec
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Grayling is going back to Justice, isn't he? As David Davis is in charge of Brexit.0
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For mentioning Obama's part-Kenyan ancestry as some kind of anti-British spite. It was repugnant and crass. He knew perfectly well the President was only saying what Boris' old Bullingdon chum wanted him to. But much easier for Boris to play the race/xenophobia card.tlg86 said:
Surely his opposite number is John Kerry? Not that he has anything to apologise for.SouthamObserver said:0 -
My wife is stunned about the Boris appt.
Immediately mentioned Theresa's water cannot gibe. I had forgotten all about that!!0 -
Grown ups in charge for first time since 19900
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China loves Boris. His Weibo account (it's either the twitter one or the facebook one) is followed by millions. He's a star.JackW said:Will we get Wiff Waff Wars with China ?!?
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My wife is stunned about the Boris appt.
Immediately mentioned Theresa's water cannon gibe. I had forgotten all about that!!0 -
I'm sure he could have - that doesn't mean he didn't think Remain was the best case for the country, and thus was putting the country first, which is what was implied by the suggestion he put the party first in the referendum. His behaviour makes no sense if he was trying to put the party first.John_M said:
Osborne is at least partly responsible for spooking the markets. The 'punishment budget' was incredibly ill-judged. The treasury forecast was savaged. He could have played with a straight bat and still made a very powerful case for Remain.kle4 said:
Given the party was deeply split on the issue but it is often claimed that they would have been less rocked if Cameron and Co had pitched for Leave instead, I would assume those going for Remain, rightly or wrongly, must have been thinking they put country before party.John_M said:
He got off to a strong start but was possessed by the vengeful shade of Gordon Brown. His referendum campaign was all political. Party before country. Bad man.Danny565 said:Virtually the whole of PB rejoicing at Osborne's sacking.
And who said politics wasn't able to unite people anymore?0 -
Hope the Moggster gets something!0
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80% the Boris appointment is lunacy. 20% genius. Who would have thought that May, of all people, was such a gambler?0
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@TimRossDT: If Boris Johnson, David Davis & Liam Fox all get top jobs, May would find it much easier to sack that other Leave campaigner, Michael Gove.0
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Good judgement so far. Bojo at FO great. As a remainer, she still has much to do to convince me she is not just little miss establishment
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It was just a joke, calm down for christ's sake.nunu said:
who gives a fuck what Obama thinks now its Hilary or Trump now.kle4 said:
Hopefully it won't be picaninny at least. They can they work to a position of respect from there.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Difficult to believe he was holding out for another cabinet position.Alanbrooke said:DING DONG
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The PM I mean0
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Evening all
Probably not a time for detailed thought or analysis but if that's all you have, that's all you have.
I listened to May on the way home and you'd be forgiven for thinking Labour had just won the General Election. This is 1990 dialled up several notches - a completely new look at the top and a new tone welcome after months of paralysis. Yet May, as she showed earlier in the week, for all the obvious comparisons with Thatcher, is now sounding more Heseltine in terms of intervention.
This will be a Government in the corporatist mode and as such is already getting flak from the arch-Thatcherites at City AM and elsewhere with calls for greater public expenditure cuts which seem to run opposed to May's vision.
As with all Prime Ministers and all Cabinets, the voices in the tent will have seats at the table and May will have plenty of tensions to resolve in Government over the coming months and if, or as many believe, when, the economic waters get choppier, it will be challenging to balance the rhetoric against the reality.
I shed few tears for Cameron who enjoyed all the luck going for over a decade but was the architect of his own demise though if you consider both his and Osborne's formative years in the Party, it's perhaps little surprise they saw "banging on about Europe" is the one certain way to undermine Conservative political hegemony.
As for Osborne, his record as Chancellor will be the stuff of argument for years if not decades to come. Nothing that happens today makes a Conservative victory more or less certain in 2020 which is an eternity away. That the Prime Minister will enjoy a honeymoon is inevitable - how she uses this political capital will be instructive.0 -
IDS: we've got our party backHYUFD said:David Davis confirmed as BREXIT Secretary. Hammond was a key Davis backer in 2005, Davis also backed Boris before May, looks like he may have the last laugh over the Cameroons with Cameron gone, Osborne sacked, Boles returning to the backbenches and Gove unlikely to get anything
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So Alanbrooke is happy that Osborne's gone then....0
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Before @The_Apocalypse brings out his four horses, lets all cam down and see what develops over night.The_Apocalypse said:Grayling is going back to Justice, isn't he? As David Davis is in charge of Brexit.
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I believe Price Charles made a speech in the Lords in 1975 !RobD said:
Not hereditary peers.DeClare said:
Peers of the first creation are allowed to sit and vote in the HoL regardless of rank.CornishBlue said:
Yes, they could (including the Prince of Wales & Earl of Chester) though I don't believe did.ydoethur said:
I meant before 1999! That was the point of the original comment.CornishBlue said:
No, they cannot automatically - Royal peers have hereditary peerages and so would need to be elected in a hereditary peer by-election.ydoethur said:
Royal peers don't sit in the Lords, although those ennobled to marry female ones (Linley, Snowden) presumably can. Were they the ones?RobD said:
Quite a few royal ones, I think one actually took a life peerage, maybe the husband of Margaret? Caused a bit of a stir.ydoethur said:
Who was left by then? There can't have been many first generation hereditaries still alive by 1999, given I think there were only four or five after 1965 and only 1 after 1979.RobD said:
Even newly minted hereditaries can't sit. When the 99 Act was passed the hereditaries which were the first holders of their title were offered life peerages.MikeL said:
But the successor wouldn't get to sit in the Lords - unless elected at a Hereditary by-election.oxfordsimon said:Expect a big kerfuffle about a new hereditary peerage in the Resignation Honours...
Edit - do I mean Linley? What was Mark Philips created?
It's a bit like how the Queen could vote in a general election, but doesn't for constitutional convention reasons.
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Someone is chipper todayAlanbrooke said:DING DONG
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Nothing for IDS as yetDecrepitJohnL said:
IDS: we've got our party backHYUFD said:David Davis confirmed as BREXIT Secretary. Hammond was a key Davis backer in 2005, Davis also backed Boris before May, looks like he may have the last laugh over the Cameroons with Cameron gone, Osborne sacked, Boles returning to the backbenches and Gove unlikely to get anything
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Inclusive is good, if she means it. I imagine white working class will continue to be ignored.stodge said:Evening all
Probably not a time for detailed thought or analysis but if that's all you have, that's all you have.
I listened to May on the way home and you'd be forgiven for thinking Labour had just won the General Election. This is 1990 dialled up several notches - a completely new look at the top and a new tone welcome after months of paralysis. Yet May, as she showed earlier in the week, for all the obvious comparisons with Thatcher, is now sounding more Heseltine in terms of intervention.
This will be a Government in the corporatist mode and as such is already getting flak from the arch-Thatcherites at City AM and elsewhere with calls for greater public expenditure cuts which seem to run opposed to May's vision.
As with all Prime Ministers and all Cabinets, the voices in the tent will have seats at the table and May will have plenty of tensions to resolve in Government over the coming months and if, or as many believe, when, the economic waters get choppier, it will be challenging to balance the rhetoric against the reality.
I shed few tears for Cameron who enjoyed all the luck going for over a decade but was the architect of his own demise though if you consider both his and Osborne's formative years in the Party, it's perhaps little surprise they saw "banging on about Europe" is the one certain way to undermine Conservative political hegemony.
As for Osborne, his record as Chancellor will be the stuff of argument for years if not decades to come. Nothing that happens today makes a Conservative victory more or less certain in 2020 which is an eternity away. That the Prime Minister will enjoy a honeymoon is inevitable - how she uses this political capital will be instructive.0 -
door stop ? Uriah Heep ? Grimla Wormtongue ?AndyJS said:
Difficult to believe he was holding out for another cabinet position.Alanbrooke said:DING DONG
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*her* four horses....MikeK said:
Before @The_Apocalypse brings out his four horses, lets all cam down and see what develops over night.The_Apocalypse said:Grayling is going back to Justice, isn't he? As David Davis is in charge of Brexit.
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Have to say I love how the Tories talk about "shrinking the state", before then creating two whole new government departments in a day ('Brexit Department' and 'Department for International Trade').0
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David Davis to head up the new Brexit department
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Sky News still saying "George Osborne resigns from govt".0
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Both are necessary, one is temporary. The shrinking of the state comes from removing the EU from our lives.Danny565 said:Have to say I love how the Tories talk about "shrinking the state", before then creating two whole new government departments in a day ('Brexit Department' and 'Department for International Trade').
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Maybe he's the right person for the job of turning the FCO around from its EU-focus? Have no idea, myself, but charm & jollying people along can do things a straight hard line can't.John_M said:Good luck in King Charles Street Boris, you'll be as popular as smallpox.
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Bloody hell. So much for a boring, managerial government under May.
She certainly ain't scared to appoint Hard Brexiteers and independent minded, controversial figures!0 -
LOLRobD said:
Both are necessary, one is temporary. The shrinking of the state comes from removing the EU from our lives.Danny565 said:Have to say I love how the Tories talk about "shrinking the state", before then creating two whole new government departments in a day ('Brexit Department' and 'Department for International Trade').
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