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Some rather vocal protesters outside Downing Street 'What do we want Brexit, when do we want it now! ' 'Theresa May, don't delay, Article 50 today! '0
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They're all playing Pokémon Go. There's a big punch up since Fallon found a Mew Two in the cabinet office.GIN1138 said:
All these people going "in" and so far only Osborne has come "out" (via ther back door)JackW said:BBC - Michael Fallon into Downing Street
What the hell is Mrs May doing in there?
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Near perfect back bencher.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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According to BBC, Fallon could be minister for answering difficult questions on the Today programme.0
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This means we're not getting a corporation tax cut to 15% doesnt it.. #sadaccountant0
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I have hardly slept since then.RobD said:Hard to get my head around the fact the referendum was 2 weeks and 6 days ago.
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Is Cameron pinching the best ones for his new foundation?TheWhiteRabbit said:Samuel Horti @SamuelHortiPW 1h1 hour ago
Just been told by govt source that every single Downing Street adviser has gone. "It's pretty drastic. There's a lot of expertise [there]"
If you're going to do it, better it be done immediately.0 -
Indeed not - it would be an unearned one.Pong said:
If he wants to be taken seriously, then he'll have to prove himself.The_Apocalypse said:If Boris is Home Secretary, I'll believe that May really wants to kill off his political career.
He put himself out there as a more suitable PM than Theresa - now is his chance to put the hard work in to prove he's up to it.
It would hardly be an unfair appointment.0 -
She's gone up in my estimation.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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@GdnPolitics: Owen Smith to offer referendum on Brexit deal if elected Labour leader https://t.co/0UBX3FeWDx0 -
Yep, I agree. Personally, I think Boris at the Home Office (if true) will be sheer comedy. Another PBer said the best job for Boris would be Culture Secretary: I agree that he'd feel most comfortable there.Pong said:
If he wants to be taken seriously, then he'll have to prove himself.The_Apocalypse said:If Boris is Home Secretary, I'll believe that May really wants to kill off his political career.
He put himself out there as a more suitable PM than Theresa - now is his chance to put the hard work in to prove he's up to it.
It would hardly be an unfair appointment.0 -
But we might get back the differential between SMEs and large companies #happysmallbusinessmanSlackbladder said:This means we're not getting a corporation tax cut to 15% doesnt it.. #sadaccountant
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They're going to need to be patient. Article 50 will come, though it won't be anytime soon.HYUFD said:Some rather vocal protesters outside Downing Street 'What do we want Brexit, when do we want it now! ' 'Theresa May, don't delay, Article 50 today! '
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-leadership-contest-vote-jeremy-corbyn-new-members-momentum-vote-avoid-paying-25-fee-a7133851.html - this would imply not. Merits investigation though.Philip_Thompson said:
I thought you needed to be in an affiliated union for 12 months so how does that work?Essexit said:Lots of speculation about what Theresa's speech means. Frankly I doubt her rhetoric now will translate into much more than continued tinkering at the edges à la Cameron, the only thing that came across clearly from it was a kind of bland centrism; not necessarily a bad thing but she won't be a radical or serious reformer of any kind.
Also, PaddyPower is offering 10/11 on Corbyn to win the leadership election. Judging by Facebook and Twitter it's now widely known that Corbynites can get round the £25 cost by joining Unite for a much smaller sum, and people are really wound up about the NEC trying to move the goalposts. Would anyone care to talk me out of putting £50 or so down?0 -
So if the cabinet turns out was well as predicted, Autumn election?0
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Utterly ridiculous, since the EU would not be bound by it. It'd be the deal vs. WTO most favoured nation rules.Scott_P said:Meanwhile...
@GdnPolitics: Owen Smith to offer referendum on Brexit deal if elected Labour leader https://t.co/0UBX3FeWDx0 -
Keep hearing Boris for FCO and Brexit combined0
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senior financial jobs do take their toll.AndyJS said:Amber Rudd is the same age as Andrea Leadsom but looks about 20 years younger.
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I'm stunned the premiership opened with a lie that he 'resigned'. But that's a lie that's always told, so I'll let it slide.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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She gets extra points if someone can confirm that she kicked him in the balls first.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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So Osborne was sacked - hohoho0
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EU Go Girl!!!!Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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Just the playstation.PlatoSaid said:
Is Cameron pinching the best ones for his new foundation?TheWhiteRabbit said:Samuel Horti @SamuelHortiPW 1h1 hour ago
Just been told by govt source that every single Downing Street adviser has gone. "It's pretty drastic. There's a lot of expertise [there]"
If you're going to do it, better it be done immediately.0 -
Was Osborne still the favourite for next PM this time 4 months ago?0
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And Askey was a brilliant comedian for his time and decade 1934 -1945RodCrosby said:
Ay-Thang-Yew!Scott_P said:@allisonpearson: May I be the first to point out that Philip May, the PM's consort, is a dead ringer for Arthur Askey. For younger followers: a comedian.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLScott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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Labour to split in September, followed by a general election in October, resulting in a gargantuan Tory majority (especially in England & Wales).Scott_P said:So if the cabinet turns out was well as predicted, Autumn election?
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Yes - those pushing for a second referendum on that basis make less sense than those few simply wanting a rerun in my opinion.RobD said:
Utterly ridiculous, since the EU would not be bound by it. It'd be the deal vs. WTO most favoured nation rules.Scott_P said:Meanwhile...
@GdnPolitics: Owen Smith to offer referendum on Brexit deal if elected Labour leader https://t.co/0UBX3FeWDx0 -
Not on my watch !!anotherDave said:Meat pie shop opening next door?
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The EC favours the Democrats at the moment, even if Trump wins Ohio and Florida, Hillary could still win if she wins Virginia, Colorado and Pennsylvania. Romney was much closer to Obama in the popular vote than in the ECRodCrosby said:Trump moving in. I'm back into a 4 figure cashout situation.
There's speculation on PEC [not at all a Trump-friendly site] that there's been a genuine shift to him, and he could be ahead in a week or two.
He certainly continues to outperform in the swing-states, as I have noted for several months.
A popular vote win for the Crooked One, but an EC loss also remains far more likely than the reverse.0 -
Some members of the new cabinet will have more in common with John Major's generation of cabinet ministers than Cameron and Osborne's. Hammond and May are only slightly younger than Michael Portillo, John Redwood, Stephen Dorrell, Michael Forsyth, David Mellor.0
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Ha ha. Well done Theresa, I wouldn't want my predecessor's right hand man around either. Cameron and Osborne come and go together.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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BoJo Foreign Secretary!0
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The 12 months is to transfer to membership of the Labour party.Essexit said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-leadership-contest-vote-jeremy-corbyn-new-members-momentum-vote-avoid-paying-25-fee-a7133851.html - this would imply not. Merits investigation though.Philip_Thompson said:
I thought you needed to be in an affiliated union for 12 months so how does that work?Essexit said:Lots of speculation about what Theresa's speech means. Frankly I doubt her rhetoric now will translate into much more than continued tinkering at the edges à la Cameron, the only thing that came across clearly from it was a kind of bland centrism; not necessarily a bad thing but she won't be a radical or serious reformer of any kind.
Also, PaddyPower is offering 10/11 on Corbyn to win the leadership election. Judging by Facebook and Twitter it's now widely known that Corbynites can get round the £25 cost by joining Unite for a much smaller sum, and people are really wound up about the NEC trying to move the goalposts. Would anyone care to talk me out of putting £50 or so down?0 -
Phillip Hammond going into the Treasury.
Where he will find a note saying "Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! George."0 -
BBC Boris is Foreign Secretary0
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If she did say that to Osborne, and he wanted a job, he could be quite the enemy to have if things get tricky. [Which they, ahem, may].0
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Before the end of 2016 I reckon, despite May's pronouncements on the subject. Just a question of it there is any value to be had in the odds for then.CornishBlue said:
They're going to need to be patient. Article 50 will come, though it won't be anytime soon.HYUFD said:Some rather vocal protesters outside Downing Street 'What do we want Brexit, when do we want it now! ' 'Theresa May, don't delay, Article 50 today! '
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BORIS TO FOREIGN?!0
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He's jumping the queue.JackW said:BBC Boris is Foreign Secretary
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Boris is Foreign Secretary.0
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Boris leaves the building.0
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That would be insane. He hasn't the slightest conception of what diplomacy means.grabcocque said:BORIS TO FOREIGN?!
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Just imagine the fun! The gaffes!0
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This is how wars start.0
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''Genuinely surprised. Also: slightly scared. ''
Looks like I'm going to be eating my words on May. That is a radical and quite clever move.0 -
Boris is too much danger to May out of the cabinet.0
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Bojo at Foreign! It may be she wants to get 1 Leaver into the offices of state, and Grayling is gonna be Brexit.0
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@rowenamason: Boris Johnson is the new foreign secretary - tricky brief. Now unable to walk away from the Brexit he wanted0
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Osborne OUT and a leading LEAVER in one of the top three jobs. I'm happy,
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Who will be the Tory Peter Mandelson they’ll send to bail him out?JackW said:BBC Boris is Foreign Secretary
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I suspect May will be more willing than Cameron was to sack people if they don't perform.0
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Face it May had to throw the exiters sone red meat.0
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Confirmed. Boris is Foreign Sec..............0
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Boris is Foreign Secretary.0
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Yesterday I suggested Boris might get defence, turns out he gets foreign! Really impressed by that, he did a lot of trade negotiations abroad and diplomacy while London Mayor and can see him being suited to this role. Thank God it wasn't Home Secretary. Poor old George!0
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I did say yesterday that this May cabinet would be a radical departure but didn't expect Boris as Foreign Secretary.
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Good luck in King Charles Street Boris, you'll be as popular as smallpox.0
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Boris back to favourite (again) for next PM?0
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Greening for Education anyone?
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This is some change - great start Theresa - sacking Osborne master stroketlg86 said:Boris is too much danger to May out of the cabinet.
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Since 1964 there have been three non-Royal hereditary peerages created:CornishBlue said:
Yes, they could (including the Prince of Wales & Earl of Chester) though I don't believe did.ydoethur said:
I meant before 1999! That was the point of the original comment.CornishBlue said:
No, they cannot automatically - Royal peers have hereditary peerages and so would need to be elected in a hereditary peer by-election.ydoethur said:
Royal peers don't sit in the Lords, although those ennobled to marry female ones (Linley, Snowden) presumably can. Were they the ones?RobD said:
Quite a few royal ones, I think one actually took a life peerage, maybe the husband of Margaret? Caused a bit of a stir.ydoethur said:
Who was left by then? There can't have been many first generation hereditaries still alive by 1999, given I think there were only four or five after 1965 and only 1 after 1979.RobD said:
Even newly minted hereditaries can't sit. When the 99 Act was passed the hereditaries which were the first holders of their title were offered life peerages.MikeL said:
But the successor wouldn't get to sit in the Lords - unless elected at a Hereditary by-election.oxfordsimon said:Expect a big kerfuffle about a new hereditary peerage in the Resignation Honours...
Edit - do I mean Linley? What was Mark Philips created?
It's a bit like how the Queen could vote in a general election, but doesn't for constitutional convention reasons.
1983 - Viscount Tonypandy - Former speaker George Thomas - Extinct childless
1983 - Viscount (Willie) Whitelaw - Extinct because he had no son and there wasn't a special remainder for his eldest daughter to inherit the title.
1984 - Earl of Stockton - Former PM Harold McMillan - Title inherited by his Grandson who was already a Viscount.
Peers of the first creation are allowed to sit and vote in the HoL regardless of rank.
Incidentally there has only been one Baronetcy created since 1964 and that was a special gift from The Queen for Maggie Thatcher's husband Sir Dennis, now held by their son Sir Mark Thatcher.
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Did anyone bet on Boris getting that job?0
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Btw is the Brexit secretary actually going to be called Secretary of State for Brexit? Surely something more official sounding?0
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Ha, ha, ha, ha. That is hilarious.0
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Boris the Comeback Kid
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Very possible.MikeL said:Boris back to favourite (again) for next PM?
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Will we get Wiff Waff Wars with China ?!?0
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Just checked her twitter feed. She is getting a heck of a lot of abuse on there. Labour are in a bad way.MarqueeMark said:0 -
Whatever one thinks of their work, they made a good team. It was nice that the PM and Chancellor didn't work against each other.Sandpit said:
Ha ha. Well done Theresa, I wouldn't want my predecessor's right hand man around either. Cameron and Osborne come and go together.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Breaking: George Osborne was sacked. Theresa May told him she didn't want him in her Cabinet. Wow.
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I'd love to see the likes of Lilley and Howard back.AndyJS said:Some members of the new cabinet will have more in common with John Major's generation of cabinet ministers than Cameron and Osborne's. Hammond and May are only slightly younger than Michael Portillo, John Redwood, Stephen Dorrell, Michael Forsyth, David Mellor.
Howard as leader in the Lords maybe?0 -
The Foreign Office of the old days (pre-Managed Decline) is BACK.0
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Mr. Glenn, indeed, although I did quite like the Cameron approach of only rarely doing reshuffles. Made a change from Blair chopping and changing all the time.0
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Secretary of State for Sticking it to Johnny Foreigner?Paristonda said:Btw is the Brexit secretary actually going to be called Secretary of State for Brexit? Surely something more official sounding?
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I was wondering the same thing too...... Hopefully it's Ministry of Europe or something.Paristonda said:Btw is the Brexit secretary actually going to be called Secretary of State for Brexit? Surely something more official sounding?
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Guardian liveblog comments Bojo didn't look particularly happy when leaving downing street. Would've thought Foreign Sec is the best he could have hoped for no?0
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Boris's car goes from Downing St to the FO next door. That's, umm, a surprise.0
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BORIS, for KING IN THE NORTH!0
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@journodave: Putin invades the Baltics, the Americans are banging the drum.
It comes down to Britain to calm the waters.
Boris enters 'hello chaps'0 -
Not hereditary peers.DeClare said:CornishBlue said:
Yes, they could (including the Prince of Wales & Earl of Chester) though I don't believe did.ydoethur said:
I meant before 1999! That was the point of the original comment.CornishBlue said:
No, they cannot automatically - Royal peers have hereditary peerages and so would need to be elected in a hereditary peer by-election.ydoethur said:
Royal peers don't sit in the Lords, although those ennobled to marry female ones (Linley, Snowden) presumably can. Were they the ones?RobD said:
Quite a few royal ones, I think one actually took a life peerage, maybe the husband of Margaret? Caused a bit of a stir.ydoethur said:
Who was left by then? There can't have been many first generation hereditaries still alive by 1999, given I think there were only four or five after 1965 and only 1 after 1979.RobD said:
Even newly minted hereditaries can't sit. When the 99 Act was passed the hereditaries which were the first holders of their title were offered life peerages.MikeL said:
But the successor wouldn't get to sit in the Lords - unless elected at a Hereditary by-election.oxfordsimon said:Expect a big kerfuffle about a new hereditary peerage in the Resignation Honours...
Edit - do I mean Linley? What was Mark Philips created?
It's a bit like how the Queen could vote in a general election, but doesn't for constitutional convention reasons.
Peers of the first creation are allowed to sit and vote in the HoL regardless of rank.0 -
Yes Boris!0
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It would sound a bit Newspeak to have a "Ministry of Europe" when the purpose is to leave it.RobD said:
I was wondering the same thing too...... Hopefully it's Ministry of Europe or something.Paristonda said:Btw is the Brexit secretary actually going to be called Secretary of State for Brexit? Surely something more official sounding?
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Don't hold your breath.CornishBlue said:The Foreign Office of the old days (pre-Managed Decline) is BACK.
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How long until Boris makes his first major gaffe as foreign secretary on some trip?0
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Probably will be either Lord President of the Council, Lord Privy Seal or Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster... *and* "Minister for British Exit of the European Union" (or whatever) within either Foreign and Commonwealth Office or maybe the Cabinet Office (ie not a Secretary of State).Paristonda said:Btw is the Brexit secretary actually going to be called Secretary of State for Brexit? Surely something more official sounding?
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