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Quite so, Mr. B, and a German company giving contacts to another German company to produce second rate products, which have to be corrected and finished at the UK plant (so adding to the plant's costs) should not surprise us.Alanbrooke said:
All cars are modular these days Mr L and made of bits from across the work. Nobody really manufactures cars these days ( except perhaps Morgan! ) they are assembled.HurstLlama said:
Built in Sussex? I think put together from parts manufactured all over would be a better description.Alanbrooke said:
LOLSunil_Prasannan said:
Saxe-Coburg-Gotha ---> WindsorAlanbrooke said:why the fk are the cabinet being driven around in German cars ?
should be a Rolls Royce then. German car built in Sussex.
Incidentally my brother-in-law who works at the site is very critical of the body presses and other bits that come from Germany. Says the quality is crap.
As for body panels from memory RR make theirs in Dingolfing in Germany never really understood why, it must cost them a fortune to ship them over and there are loads of places in the UK could make them.
Makes me cross though.
Anyway, enough! I am off up the road for a meeting of the Hurstpierpoint and District Gentlemen's Temperance Association. Item 1 on the agenda is this Summer's outings and as I am Hon. Sec. Outings Committee, I need to be there early to put the fixes in.0 -
If she can deliver, not just Labour. SNP too....YossariansChild said:Listening to that speech. Labour is screwed isnt it.
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Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.0 -
Its in the drinks cabinetMarqueeMark said:I wonder if Dennis Thatcher left a note in Number 10 for future husbands of Prime Ministers?
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One can only hope Tessy will talk LOTS more about Unionism.ydoethur said:Was that shrieking noise Nicola Sturgeon's reaction to May talking about Unionism in her second sentence as PM?
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Quite liked the fact it was up there right at the start of her speech.MarqueeMark said:
If she can deliver, not just Labour. SNP too....YossariansChild said:Listening to that speech. Labour is screwed isnt it.
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I would too.MyBurningEars said:
I think Tim T has posted some interesting stuff on the decision-making process and how taking lots of factors into account often requires an emotional, "gut" response rather than an analytical one. If he's listening in and has any reading suggestions along these lines, I'd be interested.Charles said:
I completely agree.MyBurningEars said:
I think that sometimes the "little people", in their masses, have a better sense for the sweepingly big moments in history than the political elite.Charles said:
Why do you think we chose to position ourselves on the right side of history?Cyclefree said:
Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.Bob__Sykes said:KentRising said:
If in 20 - or better, 40 - years' time any of us are still alive and commenting on PB.com, I would be astonished if any of us would challenge the Wisdom of Sunderland, point at what the EU has become and declare but for one mad year, we would fit right in there.
Was the referendum vote a grasping of Destiny, or a flailing F.U. by a long-failed populace? I don't know. But I do believe there is wisdom in them there crowds.
It's far too easy for the country's leadership team to become divorced from the realities of life for normal people. It's hard work keeping your finger on the pulse, but worth doing.
But this from Edmund Burke should suffice for now.
"Politics ought to be adjusted not to human reasonings but to human nature, of which reason is but a part and by no means the greatest part."
It is one reason why lawyers can often be lousy leaders. They place too great a value on rationality and arguments. But leadership and judgment and getting others to give of their best and persuading others rarely depend just on the strength of an argument. You have to make people feel what you want them to do and that means you need first to understand how they feel about whatever issue you're dealing with. Listening is hard work. In the end, this is what does for PMs. It becomes harder and harder to find the time and space to do the necessary listening. And when they lose touch they make mistakes.0 -
Chancellor this evening ta, want another "return" on my investments !0
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Calm down dear*, you'll get yourself over excited.MarqueeMark said:
If she can deliver, not just Labour. SNP too....YossariansChild said:Listening to that speech. Labour is screwed isnt it.
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I'm looking forward to her meeting foreign leaders like Merkel and Obama. It'll be awkward when she meets Hollande because she's about 5 inches taller than he is.0
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James Forsyth: Clear that Theresa May gets that the referendum was about more than the European Union0
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If she achieves her objectives she will be in power for a very long timeCarlottaVance said:James Forsyth: Clear that Theresa May gets that the referendum was about more than the European Union
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Not right-wing enough? You do (seem) to support Trump afterall....RodCrosby said:Bloody awful speech.
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Am I the only one who didn't always have my attention on her face
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I think the Referendum was lost when we didn't join the Euro or Schengen. It emphasised our separateness from the EU; I think it was also lost when votes against the EU constitution were ignored, an it was renamed the Lisbon Treaty.Cyclefree said:
Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.Bob__Sykes said:
He wanted his legacy to include securing the UK's place in Europe and killing off the issue for a generation. That was entirely noble, and probably achievable if he'd only got a bit more out of his negotiation and if Labour had a moderate likeable leader going all out to campaign for "Remain".KentRising said:If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
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Now Labour need real policies*. With Cameron they could just go 'Tory Toff!' Now not so much.MarqueeMark said:
If she can deliver, not just Labour. SNP too....YossariansChild said:Listening to that speech. Labour is screwed isnt it.
*This presupposes just one 'normal' Labour Party. I suspect we will have one Corbyn Labour with the name and tribal support and one SDP.2 with lots of MPs and no activists. In which case Labour / SDP.2/UKIP will be fighting for 2nd place..0 -
It's much reviled on here, but Thaler & Sunstein's 'Nudge' is an explicit acknowledgement that people are not rational, utilitarian worker bees. That's why behavioural economics is such an important field.Cyclefree said:
I would too.MyBurningEars said:
I think Tim T has posted some interesting stuff on the decision-making process and how taking lots of factors into account often requires an emotional, "gut" response rather than an analytical one. If he's listening in and has any reading suggestions along these lines, I'd be interested.Charles said:
I completely agree.MyBurningEars said:Charles said:
Why do you think we chose to position ourselves on the right side of history?Cyclefree said:
Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.Bob__Sykes said:KentRising said:
It's far too easy for the country's leadership team to become divorced from the realities of life for normal people. It's hard work keeping your finger on the pulse, but worth doing.
But this from Edmund Burke should suffice for now.
"Politics ought to be adjusted not to human reasonings but to human nature, of which reason is but a part and by no means the greatest part."
It is one reason why lawyers can often be lousy leaders. They place too great a value on rationality and arguments. But leadership and judgment and getting others to give of their best and persuading others rarely depend just on the strength of an argument. You have to make people feel what you want them to do and that means you need first to understand how they feel about whatever issue you're dealing with. Listening is hard work. In the end, this is what does for PMs. It becomes harder and harder to find the time and space to do the necessary listening. And when they lose touch they make mistakes.
The UK is going to be poorer for Brexit in the short and medium term. However, it is such a prosperous country, people have instinctively decided its worth that risk.0 -
Blair really did change the Tory party.0
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Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.0
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Is it me or did her husband look a touch like errm err..0
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It's unfortunate that he didn't really change the Labour party.Jonathan said:Blair really did change the Tory party.
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I thought her speech was OK.
Her Premiership will be defined by Brexit though. Words are cheep. We need to see a clear plan from her for Brexit and then negotiation/implementation.
It's not even been a month yet since we voted to LEAVE but I've already seen a few posts on here that kind of suggest the vote should essentially be ignored. If that's what Theresa does her Prime Ministership will be short lived. If she means what she say's about Brexit then she can do great things.
The country is watching and waiting.0 -
Yes and he supports Corbyn, he wants a complete revolution.The_Apocalypse said:
Not right-wing enough? You do (seem) to support Trump afterall....RodCrosby said:Bloody awful speech.
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That was a bit wet, wasn't it?
At least she mentioned leaving the EU...0 -
Huzzah for Theresa, that speech cheered me up no end.
Surprised anyone heard it over the noise of her parking her tanks on Labour's lawn.0 -
Yes quite nice tits for her age........Paul_Bedfordshire said:Am I the only one who didn't always have my attention on her face
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She could be the UKs Merkel0
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Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....The_Apocalypse said:Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
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Just realised, Dave has been Tory leader for over a third of my life. Truly the end of an era.0
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The cabinet appointments will be indicative.GIN1138 said:I thought her speech was OK.
Her Premiership will be defined by Brexit though. Words are cheep. We need to see a clear plan from her for Brexit and then negotiation/implementation.
It's not even been a month yet since we voted to LEAVE but I've already seen a few posts on here that kind of suggest the vote should essentially be ignored. If that's what Theresa does her Prime Ministership will be short lived. If she means what she say's about Brexit then she can do great things.
We're watching and waiting.
Reading the ConHome articles of this Theresa May aide Mr Timothy (mentioned on a previous thread) have reassured me a bit.
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And given the speed of events, it is not surprising that her message hasn't changed in 48 hours. She set out her vision on Monday - and confirmed that this evening.nunu said:
Yes but with the added Union part in it I think.MaxPB said:This is just a reheated (same?) version of the Birmingham speech.
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I thought that he liked Corbyn purely because he's destroying the Labour party (like Plato, GIN etc). I'm more of a fan of evolution, rather than revolution tbh.nunu said:
Yes and he supports Corbyn, he wants a complete revolution.The_Apocalypse said:
Not right-wing enough? You do (seem) to support Trump afterall....RodCrosby said:Bloody awful speech.
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Tories will unite quickly, they like winning elections.Scrapheap_as_was said:But this was never going to happen.... louise told me so...
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Politics Live Cavalcade of Wit & Beauty New Cabinet line up:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/77259/updating-live-theresa-mays-cabinet-reshuffle0 -
I was caught three ways - that dayglo yellow jacket thing, massive necklace and her cleavage. Like I said, strange style choice.Paul_Bedfordshire said:Am I the only one who didn't always have my attention on her face
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Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.jonny83 said:Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.0 -
It was an interesting outfit choice, finished off with the S&M necklace. My missus brought up the subject of her racy outfits when I was waxing lyrical about TM the other day, so I best tone it down when I get home or else I'm done for when the News comes on later.... :-)nunu said:
Yes quite nice tits for her age........Paul_Bedfordshire said:Am I the only one who didn't always have my attention on her face
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Thanks! Looks like a google doc, wonder if you can extract the URL of that to have it open instead.CarlottaVance said:Politics Live Cavalcade of Wit & Beauty New Cabinet line up:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/77259/updating-live-theresa-mays-cabinet-reshuffle0 -
Here we go:RobD said:
Thanks! Looks like a google doc, wonder if you can extract the URL of that to have it open instead.CarlottaVance said:Politics Live Cavalcade of Wit & Beauty New Cabinet line up:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/77259/updating-live-theresa-mays-cabinet-reshuffle
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UB9x9Ov3X6o4a0rBaX0c1z86CkEpMsgTkXyUUa_0Nvk/pubhtml?widget=true0 -
Good evening, everyone.
Just been out so I missed Cameron's departure and May's arrival. Anything noteworthy?0 -
Tbqh even if she didn't mean to imply that, I sympathise with that train of thought. I feel that much of the last government was defined by austerity, which has made life much more harder for working people out there. I feel all and all, that the last government was not a 'One Nation' one. It benefitted demographics that stereotypically vote Tory the most. I know that's not a popular view here on PB, but it's my view.Bob__Sykes said:
Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....The_Apocalypse said:Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
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UKIP is the most successful single issue party ever.YossariansChild said:Bye bye EU, bye bye Cameron. Lets now declare Nigel Farage and UKIP as the most successful political insurgency in the Western world in the 21st Century.
And they demonstrated that you don't need to win seats to gain influence under FPTP. If you consistently win 10%, with a clear aim in mind, you can throw the system into turmoil.0 -
Wishful thinking Jonathan. Tories have been forced to change tack due to events and not least what the referendum exposed. The party may finally have moved beyond Thatcherism though. I'm sure they'll still be just as committed to defending peoples' property.Jonathan said:Blair really did change the Tory party.
Does Blair deserve a bit of credit for social progress? Maybe but he's hardly the reason people have come to accept gay marriage.0 -
Made a big play about the union. Surely another sign that she's looking to compromise and stay in the single market.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
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She could be the UKs Merkel
Steady on.
Germany runs a budget surplus. Under Theresa May does anybody think the national debt WON'T rise to GBP 2 trillion?0 -
Well, Cameron was classy in the leaving. May's speech was very New Labour.
If anyone in the Labour leadership structure has any sense, they'll be very worried. Of course, none of them seem to.0 -
Sounds like shes on for a clash with wee Mrs Turniphead0
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And many of the superficially 'one nation' policies like Help to Buy were ill-conceived and exacerbated the problems they were supposed to mitigate.The_Apocalypse said:
Tbqh even if she didn't mean to imply that, I sympathise with that train of thought. I feel that much of the last government was defined by austerity, which has made life much more harder for working people out there. I feel all and all, that the last government was not a 'One Nation' one. It benefitted demographics that stereotypically vote Tory the most. I know that's not a popular view here on PB, but it's my view.Bob__Sykes said:
Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....The_Apocalypse said:Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
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I am getting a very welcome Rip van Winkle effect from all this, speaking of ages: I am going to be younger than POTUS and PMOTUK after a spell of being neither.MikeL said:
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.jonny83 said:Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.0 -
I took it to mean a declaration of war on the SNP tbh.MaxPB said:
Made a big play about the union. Surely another sign that she's looking to compromise and stay in the single market.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
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Colorado - Monmouth Uni
Clinton 48 .. Trump 35
http://monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_CO_071316/0 -
Sure, some people weighed up the costs/benefits but not all of the 52% did - not even most of them.John_M said:
It's much reviled on here, but Thaler & Sunstein's 'Nudge' is an explicit acknowledgement that people are not rational, utilitarian worker bees. That's why behavioural economics is such an important field.Cyclefree said:
I would too.MyBurningEars said:
I think Tim T has posted some interesting stuff on the decision-making process and how taking lots of factors into account often requires an emotional, "gut" response rather than an analytical one. If he's listening in and has any reading suggestions along these lines, I'd be interested.Charles said:
I completely agree.MyBurningEars said:Charles said:
Why do you think we chose to position ourselves on the right side of history?
It's far too easy for the country's leadership team to become divorced from the realities of life for normal people. It's hard work keeping your finger on the pulse, but worth doing.
But this from Edmund Burke should suffice for now.
"Politics ought to be adjusted not to human reasonings but to human nature, of which reason is but a part and by no means the greatest part."
It is one reason why lawyers can often be lousy leaders. They place too great a value on rationality and arguments. But leadership and judgment and getting others to give of their best and persuading others rarely depend just on the strength of an argument. You have to make people feel what you want them to do and that means you need first to understand how they feel about whatever issue you're dealing with. Listening is hard work. In the end, this is what does for PMs. It becomes harder and harder to find the time and space to do the necessary listening. And when they lose touch they make mistakes.
The UK is going to be poorer for Brexit in the short and medium term. However, it is such a prosperous country, people have instinctively decided its worth that risk.
Most of the 52% decided the experts didn't know what they were talking about, liked the sound of £350m a week extra for the NHS and wanted the immigrants to leave.
All this, they were told, would be possible without any cost to them.
Boris, Gove, leadsom and farage traded on their naivety.0 -
Mr. Max, interesting. Could stave off a second Scottish vote, at the risk of causing Conservative ructions.0
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I think he's done, I hope I am wrong because I think he could still offer something. Maybe after a couple of years on the backbenches May may offer him something as his talent is just huge. I can't ever see him being Tory leader or PM again though and I am not sure he would want to either.MikeL said:
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.jonny83 said:Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.0 -
It might not be popular, but you're correct. Tax cuts for the middle classes, more money for the pensioners. In fairness, it's hard given that 8 years after the crash, we're still £80-odd billion in the hole.The_Apocalypse said:
Tbqh even if she didn't mean to imply that, I sympathise with that train of thought. I feel that much of the last government was defined by austerity, which has made life much more harder for working people out there. I feel all and all, that the last government was not a 'One Nation' one. It benefitted demographics that stereotypically vote Tory the most. I know that's not a popular view here on PB, but it's my view.Bob__Sykes said:
Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....The_Apocalypse said:Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
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Don't tell the Corbynistas THAT!!!Sean_F said:
If you consistently win 10%, with a clear aim in mind, you can throw the system into turmoil.YossariansChild said:Bye bye EU, bye bye Cameron. Lets now declare Nigel Farage and UKIP as the most successful political insurgency in the Western world in the 21st Century.
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Who?Alanbrooke said:Sounds like shes on for a clash with wee Mrs Turniphead
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The unionDivie from thread before last plus one re being made redundant under Labour.
"Bad luck!
Presumably you'll sympathise with the statistically larger amount of people who lost jobs under Conservative governments of the last 40 years, and feel similarly negative towards that party"
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No wonder the SNP is annoyed. They’ll probably be back, with new variations on old grievances, of course, but for now they are very much yesterday’s news. Sad.
http://reaction.life/snp-just-annoyed-yesterdays-news/0 -
Pennsylvania .. Iowa .. Ohio - Marist/NBC
PA - Clinton 45 .. Trump 36
IA - Clinton 42 .. Trump 39
OH - Clinton 39 .. Trump 39
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polls-clinton-ahead-or-even-midwest-battlegrounds-n6086510 -
Don't see how that can be won when the SNP have 60% of the country on their side with the government taking action opposed to them.Pulpstar said:
I took it to mean a declaration of war on the SNP tbh.MaxPB said:
Made a big play about the union. Surely another sign that she's looking to compromise and stay in the single market.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
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LOL!!!!The_Apocalypse said:
Not right-wing enough? You do (seem) to support Trump afterall....RodCrosby said:Bloody awful speech.
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But what's the alternative?MaxPB said:
Don't see how that can be won when the SNP have 60% of the country on their side with the government taking action opposed to them.Pulpstar said:
I took it to mean a declaration of war on the SNP tbh.MaxPB said:
Made a big play about the union. Surely another sign that she's looking to compromise and stay in the single market.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
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Nicola Sturgeon’s routine will also not work quite as well against Theresa May as it did against David Cameron, what with him being a polite man and May being a take no crap woman.Alanbrooke said:Sounds like shes on for a clash with wee Mrs Turniphead
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Serious question, do you suffer from a personality defect?malcolmg said:
Away you halfwit he stabbed himself. Get a life and stop attacking innocent people.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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But he would be superb at selling UK plc around the world. Better even than Boris.jonny83 said:
I think he's done, I hope I am wrong because I think he could still offer something. Maybe after a couple of years on the backbenches May may offer him something as his talent is just huge. I can't ever see him being Tory leader or PM again though and I am not sure he would want to either.MikeL said:
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.jonny83 said:Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.0 -
Looking at Cammo's twitter account, am I right to say he's only liked 4 tweets since 2010 and this is the most recent one...
Julian Smith MP @juliansmithmp Jul 11
Delighted that @TheresaMay2016 is now unopposed for Conservative leader. She is in a different league & will be a great PM.0 -
Bung it in you diary, Mr. Jessop, I'll be travelling by train and will have a carer close at hand. You can choose the restaurant and, if you are up to it, the pub crawl. Dinner is on me, so don't stint yourself in the choice of food.JosiasJessop said:
Agreed. Let's hope we're both well enough for such a meeting.
Peace.
P.S. If we get bored with politics we can always talk about engineering.0 -
He won't be in parliament in 2023. I think he's been a decent PM, and it'd be nice if he at least gets a chance to serve the country again in the Cabinet, but with only 4 years maximum til the next election, possibly less, the chances of that look very slim since I find it hard to believe he will stand for re-election. There are other, far more tolerable ways for ex-PMs to 'continue to serve#.MikeL said:
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.jonny83 said:Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.0 -
You have to admit the ref result forced us to focus on a country deeply divided in terms of oppurtunities and wealth, what kind of PM can ignore that? And she spoke strongly for the union. What more do you want?RoyalBlue said:That was a bit wet, wasn't it?
At least she mentioned leaving the EU...0 -
Yes she will almost certainly do a deal of some form, anyway congratulations to her now she is in No 10 and we shall see what arisesMaxPB said:
Made a big play about the union. Surely another sign that she's looking to compromise and stay in the single market.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
Just been out so I missed Cameron's departure and May's arrival. Anything noteworthy?0 -
I should add that doesn't apply if your previous score was 31%.MarqueeMark said:
Don't tell the Corbynistas THAT!!!Sean_F said:
If you consistently win 10%, with a clear aim in mind, you can throw the system into turmoil.YossariansChild said:Bye bye EU, bye bye Cameron. Lets now declare Nigel Farage and UKIP as the most successful political insurgency in the Western world in the 21st Century.
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EEA, deal with the IDS types at home.RobD said:
But what's the alternative?MaxPB said:
Don't see how that can be won when the SNP have 60% of the country on their side with the government taking action opposed to them.Pulpstar said:
I took it to mean a declaration of war on the SNP tbh.MaxPB said:
Made a big play about the union. Surely another sign that she's looking to compromise and stay in the single market.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
Just been out so I missed Cameron's departure and May's arrival. Anything noteworthy?0 -
'''In fairness, it's hard given that 8 years after the crash, we're still £80-odd billion in the hole.''
This is the real problem. The UK can;t pay its way. It just can't. Ozzie couldn't make it work, and neither will Theresa.
Want a sound money government? it'll never happen.0 -
Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about indy ref, whereas you were actually talking about the SNP's position on Europe.MaxPB said:
EEA, deal with the IDS types at home.RobD said:
But what's the alternative?MaxPB said:
Don't see how that can be won when the SNP have 60% of the country on their side with the government taking action opposed to them.Pulpstar said:
I took it to mean a declaration of war on the SNP tbh.MaxPB said:
Made a big play about the union. Surely another sign that she's looking to compromise and stay in the single market.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
Just been out so I missed Cameron's departure and May's arrival. Anything noteworthy?0 -
Malcom is Scottish.saddened said:
Serious question, do you suffer from a personality defect?malcolmg said:
Away you halfwit he stabbed himself. Get a life and stop attacking innocent people.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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Go for a walk for a couple of hours, come back to find we have a new Prime Minister!!0
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Mr. Taffys, that's a serious concern. The deficit is still the major issue, yet gets mentioned increasingly rarely.0
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Just listening to May it's a rather platitudinous speech. Didn't seem as good as the one in Birmingham from what I remember. I can see what she's doing, doesn't want her herself being defined as a baby-eating Tory from the off. And we do face an existential threat to the Union.0
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IMHO, Trump will win Iowa quite easily, even as somewhere like Virginia moves out of reach, as it's now anomalous as a marginal State. It's one of those States like West Virginia or Arkansas that's suddenly swinging sharply to the Reds.JackW said:Pennsylvania .. Iowa .. Ohio - Marist/NBC
PA - Clinton 45 .. Trump 36
IA - Clinton 42 .. Trump 39
OH - Clinton 39 .. Trump 39
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polls-clinton-ahead-or-even-midwest-battlegrounds-n6086510 -
PB'ers....please stop going out!0
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Good. About time they were actually challenged.Alanbrooke said:Sounds like shes on for a clash with wee Mrs Turniphead
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Just thinking off the top of my head...
May could do an "EU lite" deal where we basically just withdraw from the political side of the EU, but retain the Economic & Social links
Then...
Offer Scotland a new referendum with the choice
a) Stay in the UK and accept this deal
b) Leave the UK and negotiate your own deal.
Would Scotland go for option "b"?0 -
Six months ago David Cameron was dominant. He had saved the Union and won an election, returning the Tory party to a majority position.
George Osborne readied himself for the succession. Meanwhile, Boris Johnson worked to overtake Osborne. The great reformer Michael Gove weighed his options ahead of the referendum. Other ministers, MPs, chums and advisers who had hitched their wagons to the Cameron/Osborne project bustled around enjoying power or proximity to power.
Underneath them, a whole social network – with its own manners, assumptions and habits – whirred away in London and nice parts of the home counties at weekends.
It is all turned to dust now.
http://reaction.life/mays-rise-seals-incredible-destruction-entire-generation-top-tories/0 -
Yes RodCrosby is a hard right hanger flogger anti-feminist who denies the Holocaust and loves TrumpThe_Apocalypse said:
Not right-wing enough? You do (seem) to support Trump afterall....RodCrosby said:Bloody awful speech.
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If Theresa's cabinet is going to match her rhetoric you wouldn't expect Grayling to be in one of the top positions.0
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No excuse for being a churlish prick. A personality defect is. Just trying to work out if he deserves sympathy or contempt. I'm leaning towards contempt.John_M said:
Malcom is Scottish.saddened said:
Serious question, do you suffer from a personality defect?malcolmg said:
Away you halfwit he stabbed himself. Get a life and stop attacking innocent people.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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''Mr. Taffys, that's a serious concern. The deficit is still the major issue, yet gets mentioned increasingly rarely. ''
Well May's abandoning austerity, so.....0 -
Wisconsin - Marquette
Clinton 45 .. Trump 41
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/marquette-law-school-248790
