why the fk are the cabinet being driven around in German cars ?
Saxe-Coburg-Gotha ---> Windsor
LOL
should be a Rolls Royce then. German car built in Sussex.
Built in Sussex? I think put together from parts manufactured all over would be a better description.
Incidentally my brother-in-law who works at the site is very critical of the body presses and other bits that come from Germany. Says the quality is crap.
All cars are modular these days Mr L and made of bits from across the work. Nobody really manufactures cars these days ( except perhaps Morgan! ) they are assembled.
As for body panels from memory RR make theirs in Dingolfing in Germany never really understood why, it must cost them a fortune to ship them over and there are loads of places in the UK could make them.
Quite so, Mr. B, and a German company giving contacts to another German company to produce second rate products, which have to be corrected and finished at the UK plant (so adding to the plant's costs) should not surprise us.
Makes me cross though.
Anyway, enough! I am off up the road for a meeting of the Hurstpierpoint and District Gentlemen's Temperance Association. Item 1 on the agenda is this Summer's outings and as I am Hon. Sec. Outings Committee, I need to be there early to put the fixes in.
Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.
Why do you think we chose to position ourselves on the right side of history?
I think that sometimes the "little people", in their masses, have a better sense for the sweepingly big moments in history than the political elite.
If in 20 - or better, 40 - years' time any of us are still alive and commenting on PB.com, I would be astonished if any of us would challenge the Wisdom of Sunderland, point at what the EU has become and declare but for one mad year, we would fit right in there.
Was the referendum vote a grasping of Destiny, or a flailing F.U. by a long-failed populace? I don't know. But I do believe there is wisdom in them there crowds.
I completely agree.
It's far too easy for the country's leadership team to become divorced from the realities of life for normal people. It's hard work keeping your finger on the pulse, but worth doing.
I think Tim T has posted some interesting stuff on the decision-making process and how taking lots of factors into account often requires an emotional, "gut" response rather than an analytical one. If he's listening in and has any reading suggestions along these lines, I'd be interested.
I would too.
But this from Edmund Burke should suffice for now.
"Politics ought to be adjusted not to human reasonings but to human nature, of which reason is but a part and by no means the greatest part."
It is one reason why lawyers can often be lousy leaders. They place too great a value on rationality and arguments. But leadership and judgment and getting others to give of their best and persuading others rarely depend just on the strength of an argument. You have to make people feel what you want them to do and that means you need first to understand how they feel about whatever issue you're dealing with. Listening is hard work. In the end, this is what does for PMs. It becomes harder and harder to find the time and space to do the necessary listening. And when they lose touch they make mistakes.
I'm looking forward to her meeting foreign leaders like Merkel and Obama. It'll be awkward when she meets Hollande because she's about 5 inches taller than he is.
If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
He wanted his legacy to include securing the UK's place in Europe and killing off the issue for a generation. That was entirely noble, and probably achievable if he'd only got a bit more out of his negotiation and if Labour had a moderate likeable leader going all out to campaign for "Remain".
Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.
I think the Referendum was lost when we didn't join the Euro or Schengen. It emphasised our separateness from the EU; I think it was also lost when votes against the EU constitution were ignored, an it was renamed the Lisbon Treaty.
Listening to that speech. Labour is screwed isnt it.
If she can deliver, not just Labour. SNP too....
Now Labour need real policies*. With Cameron they could just go 'Tory Toff!' Now not so much.
*This presupposes just one 'normal' Labour Party. I suspect we will have one Corbyn Labour with the name and tribal support and one SDP.2 with lots of MPs and no activists. In which case Labour / SDP.2/UKIP will be fighting for 2nd place..
Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.
Why do you think we chose to position ourselves on the right side of history?
I completely agree.
It's far too easy for the country's leadership team to become divorced from the realities of life for normal people. It's hard work keeping your finger on the pulse, but worth doing.
I think Tim T has posted some interesting stuff on the decision-making process and how taking lots of factors into account often requires an emotional, "gut" response rather than an analytical one. If he's listening in and has any reading suggestions along these lines, I'd be interested.
I would too.
But this from Edmund Burke should suffice for now.
"Politics ought to be adjusted not to human reasonings but to human nature, of which reason is but a part and by no means the greatest part."
It is one reason why lawyers can often be lousy leaders. They place too great a value on rationality and arguments. But leadership and judgment and getting others to give of their best and persuading others rarely depend just on the strength of an argument. You have to make people feel what you want them to do and that means you need first to understand how they feel about whatever issue you're dealing with. Listening is hard work. In the end, this is what does for PMs. It becomes harder and harder to find the time and space to do the necessary listening. And when they lose touch they make mistakes.
It's much reviled on here, but Thaler & Sunstein's 'Nudge' is an explicit acknowledgement that people are not rational, utilitarian worker bees. That's why behavioural economics is such an important field.
The UK is going to be poorer for Brexit in the short and medium term. However, it is such a prosperous country, people have instinctively decided its worth that risk.
Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
Her Premiership will be defined by Brexit though. Words are cheep. We need to see a clear plan from her for Brexit and then negotiation/implementation.
It's not even been a month yet since we voted to LEAVE but I've already seen a few posts on here that kind of suggest the vote should essentially be ignored. If that's what Theresa does her Prime Ministership will be short lived. If she means what she say's about Brexit then she can do great things.
Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....
Her Premiership will be defined by Brexit though. Words are cheep. We need to see a clear plan from her for Brexit and then negotiation/implementation.
It's not even been a month yet since we voted to LEAVE but I've already seen a few posts on here that kind of suggest the vote should essentially be ignored. If that's what Theresa does her Prime Ministership will be short lived. If she means what she say's about Brexit then she can do great things.
We're watching and waiting.
The cabinet appointments will be indicative.
Reading the ConHome articles of this Theresa May aide Mr Timothy (mentioned on a previous thread) have reassured me a bit.
This is just a reheated (same?) version of the Birmingham speech.
Yes but with the added Union part in it I think.
And given the speed of events, it is not surprising that her message hasn't changed in 48 hours. She set out her vision on Monday - and confirmed that this evening.
Not right-wing enough? You do (seem) to support Trump afterall....
Yes and he supports Corbyn, he wants a complete revolution.
I thought that he liked Corbyn purely because he's destroying the Labour party (like Plato, GIN etc). I'm more of a fan of evolution, rather than revolution tbh.
Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.
Am I the only one who didn't always have my attention on her face
Yes quite nice tits for her age........
It was an interesting outfit choice, finished off with the S&M necklace. My missus brought up the subject of her racy outfits when I was waxing lyrical about TM the other day, so I best tone it down when I get home or else I'm done for when the News comes on later.... :-)
Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....
Tbqh even if she didn't mean to imply that, I sympathise with that train of thought. I feel that much of the last government was defined by austerity, which has made life much more harder for working people out there. I feel all and all, that the last government was not a 'One Nation' one. It benefitted demographics that stereotypically vote Tory the most. I know that's not a popular view here on PB, but it's my view.
Bye bye EU, bye bye Cameron. Lets now declare Nigel Farage and UKIP as the most successful political insurgency in the Western world in the 21st Century.
UKIP is the most successful single issue party ever.
And they demonstrated that you don't need to win seats to gain influence under FPTP. If you consistently win 10%, with a clear aim in mind, you can throw the system into turmoil.
Wishful thinking Jonathan. Tories have been forced to change tack due to events and not least what the referendum exposed. The party may finally have moved beyond Thatcherism though. I'm sure they'll still be just as committed to defending peoples' property.
Does Blair deserve a bit of credit for social progress? Maybe but he's hardly the reason people have come to accept gay marriage.
Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....
Tbqh even if she didn't mean to imply that, I sympathise with that train of thought. I feel that much of the last government was defined by austerity, which has made life much more harder for working people out there. I feel all and all, that the last government was not a 'One Nation' one. It benefitted demographics that stereotypically vote Tory the most. I know that's not a popular view here on PB, but it's my view.
And many of the superficially 'one nation' policies like Help to Buy were ill-conceived and exacerbated the problems they were supposed to mitigate.
Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.
I am getting a very welcome Rip van Winkle effect from all this, speaking of ages: I am going to be younger than POTUS and PMOTUK after a spell of being neither.
Why do you think we chose to position ourselves on the right side of history?
I completely agree.
It's far too easy for the country's leadership team to become divorced from the realities of life for normal people. It's hard work keeping your finger on the pulse, but worth doing.
I think Tim T has posted some interesting stuff on the decision-making process and how taking lots of factors into account often requires an emotional, "gut" response rather than an analytical one. If he's listening in and has any reading suggestions along these lines, I'd be interested.
I would too.
But this from Edmund Burke should suffice for now.
"Politics ought to be adjusted not to human reasonings but to human nature, of which reason is but a part and by no means the greatest part."
It is one reason why lawyers can often be lousy leaders. They place too great a value on rationality and arguments. But leadership and judgment and getting others to give of their best and persuading others rarely depend just on the strength of an argument. You have to make people feel what you want them to do and that means you need first to understand how they feel about whatever issue you're dealing with. Listening is hard work. In the end, this is what does for PMs. It becomes harder and harder to find the time and space to do the necessary listening. And when they lose touch they make mistakes.
It's much reviled on here, but Thaler & Sunstein's 'Nudge' is an explicit acknowledgement that people are not rational, utilitarian worker bees. That's why behavioural economics is such an important field.
The UK is going to be poorer for Brexit in the short and medium term. However, it is such a prosperous country, people have instinctively decided its worth that risk.
Sure, some people weighed up the costs/benefits but not all of the 52% did - not even most of them.
Most of the 52% decided the experts didn't know what they were talking about, liked the sound of £350m a week extra for the NHS and wanted the immigrants to leave.
All this, they were told, would be possible without any cost to them.
Boris, Gove, leadsom and farage traded on their naivety.
Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.
I think he's done, I hope I am wrong because I think he could still offer something. Maybe after a couple of years on the backbenches May may offer him something as his talent is just huge. I can't ever see him being Tory leader or PM again though and I am not sure he would want to either.
Well, it'll be in all of our best interests to have a government that cares about the many rather than the few. Particularly at a time when the opposition is destroying itself. I would hope that people would want to improve the lives' of all, first and foremost because it makes our country better, not just for party political purposes.
Where her speech jarred for me is that it implied that Cameron has achieved absolutely nothing towards the things she just spoke passionately about in 6 years as PM. Which I don't think was her intention, she started by saying she would carry on his great work as a great One Nation PM by carrying on the same course. But if I was Dave listening to that, I'd feel a bit miffed....
Tbqh even if she didn't mean to imply that, I sympathise with that train of thought. I feel that much of the last government was defined by austerity, which has made life much more harder for working people out there. I feel all and all, that the last government was not a 'One Nation' one. It benefitted demographics that stereotypically vote Tory the most. I know that's not a popular view here on PB, but it's my view.
It might not be popular, but you're correct. Tax cuts for the middle classes, more money for the pensioners. In fairness, it's hard given that 8 years after the crash, we're still £80-odd billion in the hole.
Bye bye EU, bye bye Cameron. Lets now declare Nigel Farage and UKIP as the most successful political insurgency in the Western world in the 21st Century.
If you consistently win 10%, with a clear aim in mind, you can throw the system into turmoil.
The unionDivie from thread before last plus one re being made redundant under Labour.
"Bad luck! Presumably you'll sympathise with the statistically larger amount of people who lost jobs under Conservative governments of the last 40 years, and feel similarly negative towards that party"
I do, I certainly do feel sympathy. I also wonder why Labour have never left government with unemployment lower than when they took over. Nature of the beast I guess.
No wonder the SNP is annoyed. They’ll probably be back, with new variations on old grievances, of course, but for now they are very much yesterday’s news. Sad.
Sounds like shes on for a clash with wee Mrs Turniphead
Nicola Sturgeon’s routine will also not work quite as well against Theresa May as it did against David Cameron, what with him being a polite man and May being a take no crap woman.
Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.
I think he's done, I hope I am wrong because I think he could still offer something. Maybe after a couple of years on the backbenches May may offer him something as his talent is just huge. I can't ever see him being Tory leader or PM again though and I am not sure he would want to either.
But he would be superb at selling UK plc around the world. Better even than Boris.
Looking at Cammo's twitter account, am I right to say he's only liked 4 tweets since 2010 and this is the most recent one...
Julian Smith MP @juliansmithmp Jul 11 Delighted that @TheresaMay2016 is now unopposed for Conservative leader. She is in a different league & will be a great PM.
Agreed. Let's hope we're both well enough for such a meeting.
Peace.
Bung it in you diary, Mr. Jessop, I'll be travelling by train and will have a carer close at hand. You can choose the restaurant and, if you are up to it, the pub crawl. Dinner is on me, so don't stint yourself in the choice of food.
P.S. If we get bored with politics we can always talk about engineering.
Very good PM certainly the best probably during my lifetime. Could have gone down as an all time great but now probably isn't the time to really judge his legacy in terms of Europe. Who knows he may be proven right and history may judge him differently (though if that is indeed the case I have no doubt he will be blamed for giving the people the choice in the first place).
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
Well he's now 49 and Theresa May is 59.
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.
He won't be in parliament in 2023. I think he's been a decent PM, and it'd be nice if he at least gets a chance to serve the country again in the Cabinet, but with only 4 years maximum til the next election, possibly less, the chances of that look very slim since I find it hard to believe he will stand for re-election. There are other, far more tolerable ways for ex-PMs to 'continue to serve#.
You have to admit the ref result forced us to focus on a country deeply divided in terms of oppurtunities and wealth, what kind of PM can ignore that? And she spoke strongly for the union. What more do you want?
Bye bye EU, bye bye Cameron. Lets now declare Nigel Farage and UKIP as the most successful political insurgency in the Western world in the 21st Century.
If you consistently win 10%, with a clear aim in mind, you can throw the system into turmoil.
Don't tell the Corbynistas THAT!!!
I should add that doesn't apply if your previous score was 31%.
Just listening to May it's a rather platitudinous speech. Didn't seem as good as the one in Birmingham from what I remember. I can see what she's doing, doesn't want her herself being defined as a baby-eating Tory from the off. And we do face an existential threat to the Union.
IMHO, Trump will win Iowa quite easily, even as somewhere like Virginia moves out of reach, as it's now anomalous as a marginal State. It's one of those States like West Virginia or Arkansas that's suddenly swinging sharply to the Reds.
Just thinking off the top of my head... May could do an "EU lite" deal where we basically just withdraw from the political side of the EU, but retain the Economic & Social links Then... Offer Scotland a new referendum with the choice a) Stay in the UK and accept this deal b) Leave the UK and negotiate your own deal.
Six months ago David Cameron was dominant. He had saved the Union and won an election, returning the Tory party to a majority position.
George Osborne readied himself for the succession. Meanwhile, Boris Johnson worked to overtake Osborne. The great reformer Michael Gove weighed his options ahead of the referendum. Other ministers, MPs, chums and advisers who had hitched their wagons to the Cameron/Osborne project bustled around enjoying power or proximity to power.
Underneath them, a whole social network – with its own manners, assumptions and habits – whirred away in London and nice parts of the home counties at weekends.
A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Away you halfwit he stabbed himself. Get a life and stop attacking innocent people.
Serious question, do you suffer from a personality defect?
Malcom is Scottish.
No excuse for being a churlish prick. A personality defect is. Just trying to work out if he deserves sympathy or contempt. I'm leaning towards contempt.
Comments
Makes me cross though.
Anyway, enough! I am off up the road for a meeting of the Hurstpierpoint and District Gentlemen's Temperance Association. Item 1 on the agenda is this Summer's outings and as I am Hon. Sec. Outings Committee, I need to be there early to put the fixes in.
Made the Conservative party re-electable again and governed what was one of the best governments during my lifetime in coalition and that was no easy task. Implementation of gay marriage at a time when he went against a large part of his party and membership. 2.5 million more people in work and the significant progress made on the deficit. Winning his party a majority for the first time in over 20 years. He has plenty to be proud of but it's such a shame that he could have done so much more with the talent he had.
But this from Edmund Burke should suffice for now.
"Politics ought to be adjusted not to human reasonings but to human nature, of which reason is but a part and by no means the greatest part."
It is one reason why lawyers can often be lousy leaders. They place too great a value on rationality and arguments. But leadership and judgment and getting others to give of their best and persuading others rarely depend just on the strength of an argument. You have to make people feel what you want them to do and that means you need first to understand how they feel about whatever issue you're dealing with. Listening is hard work. In the end, this is what does for PMs. It becomes harder and harder to find the time and space to do the necessary listening. And when they lose touch they make mistakes.
*too soon?
*This presupposes just one 'normal' Labour Party. I suspect we will have one Corbyn Labour with the name and tribal support and one SDP.2 with lots of MPs and no activists. In which case Labour / SDP.2/UKIP will be fighting for 2nd place..
The UK is going to be poorer for Brexit in the short and medium term. However, it is such a prosperous country, people have instinctively decided its worth that risk.
Her Premiership will be defined by Brexit though. Words are cheep. We need to see a clear plan from her for Brexit and then negotiation/implementation.
It's not even been a month yet since we voted to LEAVE but I've already seen a few posts on here that kind of suggest the vote should essentially be ignored. If that's what Theresa does her Prime Ministership will be short lived. If she means what she say's about Brexit then she can do great things.
The country is watching and waiting.
At least she mentioned leaving the EU...
Surprised anyone heard it over the noise of her parking her tanks on Labour's lawn.
Reading the ConHome articles of this Theresa May aide Mr Timothy (mentioned on a previous thread) have reassured me a bit.
http://www.conservativehome.com/author/nick-timothy
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/77259/updating-live-theresa-mays-cabinet-reshuffle
If she does the rest of this term and most of the next, who would be the best possible person to be the next PM?
How about maybe a certain D. Cameron Esq - aged 56 in 2023.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UB9x9Ov3X6o4a0rBaX0c1z86CkEpMsgTkXyUUa_0Nvk/pubhtml?widget=true
Just been out so I missed Cameron's departure and May's arrival. Anything noteworthy?
And they demonstrated that you don't need to win seats to gain influence under FPTP. If you consistently win 10%, with a clear aim in mind, you can throw the system into turmoil.
Does Blair deserve a bit of credit for social progress? Maybe but he's hardly the reason people have come to accept gay marriage.
Steady on.
Germany runs a budget surplus. Under Theresa May does anybody think the national debt WON'T rise to GBP 2 trillion?
If anyone in the Labour leadership structure has any sense, they'll be very worried. Of course, none of them seem to.
Clinton 48 .. Trump 35
http://monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_CO_071316/
Most of the 52% decided the experts didn't know what they were talking about, liked the sound of £350m a week extra for the NHS and wanted the immigrants to leave.
All this, they were told, would be possible without any cost to them.
Boris, Gove, leadsom and farage traded on their naivety.
"Bad luck!
Presumably you'll sympathise with the statistically larger amount of people who lost jobs under Conservative governments of the last 40 years, and feel similarly negative towards that party"
I do, I certainly do feel sympathy. I also wonder why Labour have never left government with unemployment lower than when they took over. Nature of the beast I guess.
http://reaction.life/snp-just-annoyed-yesterdays-news/
PA - Clinton 45 .. Trump 36
IA - Clinton 42 .. Trump 39
OH - Clinton 39 .. Trump 39
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polls-clinton-ahead-or-even-midwest-battlegrounds-n608651
Iain Martin....
Julian Smith MP @juliansmithmp Jul 11
Delighted that @TheresaMay2016 is now unopposed for Conservative leader. She is in a different league & will be a great PM.
P.S. If we get bored with politics we can always talk about engineering.
This is the real problem. The UK can;t pay its way. It just can't. Ozzie couldn't make it work, and neither will Theresa.
Want a sound money government? it'll never happen.
May could do an "EU lite" deal where we basically just withdraw from the political side of the EU, but retain the Economic & Social links
Then...
Offer Scotland a new referendum with the choice
a) Stay in the UK and accept this deal
b) Leave the UK and negotiate your own deal.
Would Scotland go for option "b"?
George Osborne readied himself for the succession. Meanwhile, Boris Johnson worked to overtake Osborne. The great reformer Michael Gove weighed his options ahead of the referendum. Other ministers, MPs, chums and advisers who had hitched their wagons to the Cameron/Osborne project bustled around enjoying power or proximity to power.
Underneath them, a whole social network – with its own manners, assumptions and habits – whirred away in London and nice parts of the home counties at weekends.
It is all turned to dust now.
http://reaction.life/mays-rise-seals-incredible-destruction-entire-generation-top-tories/
Well May's abandoning austerity, so.....
Clinton 45 .. Trump 41
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/marquette-law-school-24879