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JackW on tour?Tim_B said:Tour de France fans -
Just finished watching today's stage. Can anyone enlighten me as to why the word ARSE was painted on the road a couple of times today?0 -
Boris could be appointed lift operator at the house of lords and thus be elevated to the peerage.....glw said:
DCMS wouldn't be a bad fit if Ofcom was moved out of harm's way.John_M said:
There is no way that Boris is going to get a big job. DCLG or DCMS at best imo, if that. May doesn't have to reward him, he didn't even stand.glw said:
You want to put Boris in charge of MI6 and GCHQ?Gravitation said:Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.
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I can see the Tories coming through the middle and winning some very surprising seats as things stand as I can see Labour's vote declining, some splitting off to the Lib Dems (or even Tories) and others going off to UKIP.MarkSenior said:
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
Eagle calling for people to pay £25 to vote for her and to save the Labour Party.0
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It is rather confusing . It appears that if you joined as a full member after 12th Jan 2016 you cannot vote but registered supporters if they register and pay £ 25 in the next 2 days can .SouthamObserver said:
When did you lapse? You may be able to reactivate your membership. You have until 8th August.OllyT said:Just had this email from SavingLbour (the anti-cornyn group):-
"Britain is a different country today than it was three weeks ago. We have a new Prime Minister, and she must be held to account by a Labour Party that represents us, ordinary people. Jeremy Corbyn is simply unable to take the Party forward and properly represent people like us.
Registration to help choose the next Labour Leader starts on Monday - and only lasts two days. That means we’ve only got the rest of this week to prepare to save the Labour Party.
Working together, we're stronger than they think. Share Saving Labour with your friends below"
The bit about registration is unclear to me. We intended to rejoin to vote against Corbyn but my understanding is that that no longer possible.
Does these mean that someone who joined as a member in say February now has to resign their membership and rejoin quickly as a supporter so they get a vote ?.0 -
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.0
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Minister for Foreign Affairs?FrancisUrquhart said:
Would you trust Boris not to errh erhh how can I put this, show the best of British to attractive foreign ladies?Gravitation said:
Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.SeanT said:
Yes, there must be a senior LEAVER. Johnson as Foreign Sec makes sense to me.GIN1138 said:
Looks like a lot of educated guesswork to me... I still think a LEAVER has to fill one of the two top jobs in this government (CoE or Foreign Sec) otherwise it just looks like Mrs May is entirely unserious about Brexit (which of course, she might be)PlatoSaid said:
Or maybe Grayling as Chancellor?
Cook never quite mastered the 'foreign' bit.0 -
Argclu 4 leader !Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.0 -
Does she honestly believe she's an "effective communicator"?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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Leicester voted Remain thoughAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Well, he's not going to win in Bury - that unfortunate anti-semitism business won't exactly play well.foxinsoxuk said:
I reckon Leicester West and South would not be safe for Corbyn Labour. Possibly not Keith Vaz's Leicester East too.OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.SouthamObserver said:
It'll certainly be under 200. And in a lonely corner of the Rochdale count someone will be mumbling "Eagles would have done worse" :-)OllyT said:
The hard left only needed to get the upper hand once. Now it has it will change the rules to ensure it never relinquishes it. As you say by 2020 it will be a 90% Corbynite party, everyone else will have left or been forced out. As a member till fairly recently I hope it is a pyrrhic victory and Labour end up with under 100 MPs at the next GE.The_Apocalypse said:
Yes. Corbyn has lost the support of MPs of all political views. Left, Right, Blairite, Brownite, soft left, Blue Labour etc. Obviously all of these people are just 'wrong'. Consequently, the Labour party will become uniformly Corbynite. Unlike any other political party, Labour will cease to be a board church of views. Only Corbynism will be tolerated. It was always going to be this way as many Corbynites I've spoken to cannot deal with disagreement on any subject whatsoever.Moses_ said:
Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?bigjohnowls said:IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.
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Sounds like a raffle – surely she’s not the top prize..!tlg86 said:Eagle calling for people to pay £25 to vote for her and to save the Labour Party.
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Gained nothing with repetition.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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I hope she was asked how many of her constituents can come up with £25 at the drop of a hat.tlg86 said:Eagle calling for people to pay £25 to vote for her and to save the Labour Party.
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Eagle good on Newsnight. Transformed, even.0
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Heard on the radio that while Corbyn was sent out of the room, there was a vote to decide whether he would get a vote to decide whether he would be on the ballot for the leadership vote.
It was passed by 1 vote...
They do love their votes on't C'mmittee down at the Wheeltappers & Shunters.
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No, it's not Argclu is utterly terrible.Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
I can see her losing 70:30. She's playing the wimmin card on Newsnight but other than that she seems to be an empty vessel.0 -
JackW is expanding his ARSE to France, he is mulling a brand name change there to:DoingEverthingRightRealintelligenceEverythingRightEpolling. Or Derrière. But is testing out the current brand.Tim_B said:Tour de France fans -
Just finished watching today's stage. Can anyone enlighten me as to why the word ARSE was painted on the road a couple of times today?
Ditto the phrase FUCK LIMOGES appeared on the road several times over the last 3 stages too.
On the plus side the Yorkshire flag has been seen several times.
Don't know about the rest.0 -
It's the members that democratically elected Corbyn, and you are weeping because they are getting the chance to re-elect him or choose someone else, while cheering the conservatives for undemocratically choosing May and hoping she ignores the biggest example of direct democracy in a generation!Jobabob said:
Erm, I don't. Where do you get the idea that having a party leader that is opposed by a PLP elected by millions is democratically sound?MontyHall said:
Why do you hate democracy so?Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the country, while the NEC put an unelectable hard left winger on the ballot, despite his facing a rebellion of unprecedented scale, because "thems the rules".GIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
Spot the difference. And weep.
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This lawyer has been tweeing about this:MarkSenior said:
It is rather confusing . It appears that if you joined as a full member after 12th Jan 2016 you cannot vote but registered supporters if they register and pay £ 25 in the next 2 days can .SouthamObserver said:
When did you lapse? You may be able to reactivate your membership. You have until 8th August.OllyT said:Just had this email from SavingLbour (the anti-cornyn group):-
"Britain is a different country today than it was three weeks ago. We have a new Prime Minister, and she must be held to account by a Labour Party that represents us, ordinary people. Jeremy Corbyn is simply unable to take the Party forward and properly represent people like us.
Registration to help choose the next Labour Leader starts on Monday - and only lasts two days. That means we’ve only got the rest of this week to prepare to save the Labour Party.
Working together, we're stronger than they think. Share Saving Labour with your friends below"
The bit about registration is unclear to me. We intended to rejoin to vote against Corbyn but my understanding is that that no longer possible.
Does these mean that someone who joined as a member in say February now has to resign their membership and rejoin quickly as a supporter so they get a vote ?.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham0 -
She is a "strong Northern woman". Surely that's enough.Danny565 said:
Does she honestly believe she's an "effective communicator"?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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Just take a moment to compare and contrast the Blair led Labour Government that Cameron faced at his first PMQs with the Corbyn led Labour Opposition tomorrow at his last outing as PM at PMQs? Predict that state of affairs will become part of David Cameron's legacy as a Prime Minister.0
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May has got three papers leading with her promotions for women. Surely she is not going to have CoTE Hammond, Foreign Sec Osborne and Home Sec Grayling as the markets assume?0
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But for two days only!!tlg86 said:Eagle calling for people to pay £25 to vote for her and to save the Labour Party.
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I doubt that many LibDems would look forward to re-living the 1980s.CornishBlue said:
Clearly they'll have to form an Alliance...williamglenn said:
How do Lib Dems on the ground see the prospect of an SDP 2? Opportunity or threat?MarkSenior said:
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
The question is not what the Labour mal-contents can do in leaving Labour; it is whether all the progressive (i.e. Non-Tory, non-UKIP and non-Corbyn) strands of British politics can put together some sort of common platform and shared agenda to ride the backlash against Brexit, when it comes, and finally deliver meaningful reform to change for good the way politics is done in this country.0 -
In the IS system, an Angela Eagle is 0.000000000000000529 of an EagleSunil_Prasannan said:
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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Neighbouring Wirral West was also one of the few Labour gains in 2015. We were one of the areas where Labour did OK last time. Doubt Labour has a prayer of holding either in 2020 with CorbynAndyJS said:
It was odd how Labour gained Chester while losing Vale of Clwyd just down the road.OllyT said:
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
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Out of interest, how many in-depth TV and radio interviews has Corbyn done since he became labour leader?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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Who/what is "Argclu"?Pulpstar said:
Argclu 4 leader !Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.
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I've just laid a bit of Owen Smith.
He might not even run now.0 -
Good grief, Matt is very, very good isn't he? The last dozen or so have contained at least six all-time classics. Marvellous stuff.TCPoliticalBetting said:Matt on Corbyn
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt//
Roger Casement was executed over a comma.ThreeQuidder said:
Shades of Oscar Wilde.RodCrosby said:Corbyn's lawyer: "we spent the whole day arguing over two sentences"...
Good job there were no commas involved.0 -
Didn't have you down as an Eagle fan.saddened said:
Gained nothing with repetition.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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£3 for me - 2015 styleerottenborough said:
But for two days only!!tlg86 said:Eagle calling for people to pay £25 to vote for her and to save the Labour Party.
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Neither of them is electable. Only one of them is interested in Labour being a Parliamentary party that may be electable in the future.Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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Except in the May local elections, Corbyn's Labour made gains across the Wirral, and they also gained the Cheshire PCC (which I would assume meant a strong performance in Chester itself, since the deep shire Cheshire is a desert for Labour).OllyT said:
Neighbouring Wirral West was also one of the few Labour gains in 2015. We were one of the areas where Labour did OK last time. Doubt Labour has a prayer of holding either in 2020 with CorbynAndyJS said:
It was odd how Labour gained Chester while losing Vale of Clwyd just down the road.OllyT said:
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
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at least eagles didn't repeat her reasoning from Sunday for wanting to be labour leader / pm..."Because I am a working class woman who is gay"...we just got the because I am a woman this evening being "effectively communicated".0
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And a Miliband is 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 of a BandMarqueeMark said:
In the IS system, an Angela Eagle is 0.000000000000000529 of an EagleSunil_Prasannan said:
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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So we are now a one party state, we have walked out of the EU, we turn the lights off at night and we are about to spend all of our money on brand new nuclear missiles (which ironically I agree with given the state of things).
This very Kim like, but when will we be allowed to beat and imprison football players when they get home from tournaments?0 -
I'm a fan of not reading crap "jokes" on multiple occasions. But as I'm off to bed feel free to carry on.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Didn't have you down as an Eagle fan.saddened said:
Gained nothing with repetition.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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I'm now red on him. Unless he can get Eagle to stand down I just don't see how he will succeed.Pulpstar said:I've just laid a bit of Owen Smith.
He might not even run now.0 -
The next leader of the Labour Party of course.JohnLoony said:
Who/what is "Argclu"?Pulpstar said:
Argclu 4 leader !Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.
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Spare a thought for the MP's a lent Corbyn they vote for the leadership of the labour party.
Just think of the poor souls are going through ;-)0 -
Only one would resign for the good of the party if called upon to do so.SouthamObserver said:
Neither of them is electable. Only one of them is interested in Labour being a Parliamentary party that may be electable in the future.Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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Whatever it is they’re going through is more than deserved.Tykejohnno said:Spare a thought for the MP's who lent Corbyn their vote for the leadership of the labour party. - Just think what the poor souls are going through ;-)
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Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over0 -
She wants to lead Real Madrid? No chance....Lowlander said:
The next leader of the Labour Party of course.JohnLoony said:
Who/what is "Argclu"?Pulpstar said:
Argclu 4 leader !Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.
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It reads like "argula" as well from a distance.Lowlander said:
The next leader of the Labour Party of course.JohnLoony said:
Who/what is "Argclu"?Pulpstar said:
Argclu 4 leader !Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.
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Angela Eagle is the crap "joke", my friend!saddened said:
I'm a fan of not reading crap "jokes" on multiple occasions. But as I'm off to bed feel free to carry on.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Didn't have you down as an Eagle fan.saddened said:
Gained nothing with repetition.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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Arsely, maybe?Lowlander said:
The next leader of the Labour Party of course.JohnLoony said:
Who/what is "Argclu"?Pulpstar said:
Argclu 4 leader !Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.
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At least she puts herself in front of the cameras and microphones. Corbyn chooses not to. He is only interested in talking to the converted.old_labour said:
She is a "strong Northern woman". Surely that's enough.Danny565 said:
Does she honestly believe she's an "effective communicator"?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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It looks like she bought the sets from a fire sale at a tatty bordello.0
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Resignation is what bourgeois, capitalist apparatchiks do, comrade.foxinsoxuk said:
Only one would resign for the good of the party if called upon to do so.SouthamObserver said:
Neither of them is electable. Only one of them is interested in Labour being a Parliamentary party that may be electable in the future.Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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I think i've actually just given up entirely on the concept of the Labour party. At this point it would be better for all if they just did a Sinn Fein and refused to take their seats. SNP would make a better opposition, can't they set up a sister ENP and stand in England?0
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Turnout in PPC elections are so small I doubt it indicates anything. I still voted Labour in the last local elections - it's a vote that runs no risk of seeing Corbyn as PM.Danny565 said:
Except in the May local elections, Corbyn's Labour made gains across the Wirral, and they also gained the Cheshire PCC (which I would assume meant a strong performance in Chester itself, since the deep shire Cheshire is a desert for Labour).OllyT said:
Neighbouring Wirral West was also one of the few Labour gains in 2015. We were one of the areas where Labour did OK last time. Doubt Labour has a prayer of holding either in 2020 with CorbynAndyJS said:
It was odd how Labour gained Chester while losing Vale of Clwyd just down the road.OllyT said:
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
Actually I reckon it will be nearer 10,000
I'll take any bet you care to offer that Labour will lose Chester at the next GE if Corbyn is leader. I think I personally know enough ex-Labour voters to see that 96 majority disappear!
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I hope she continues to do so. The more people hear her, the less likely they are to vote for her.SouthamObserver said:
At least she puts herself in front of the cameras and microphones. Corbyn chooses not to. He is only interested in talking to the converted.old_labour said:
She is a "strong Northern woman". Surely that's enough.Danny565 said:
Does she honestly believe she's an "effective communicator"?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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Told you I was watching Indepedence Day on E4:
The President Sunil speech!
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/7457875739524587520 -
I don't get why any of the above are held in high.regard / thought they would win. Balls nearly lost his seat in 2010, then lost it in 2015. Miliband was a god awful minster. And chuka is definition of an empty suit with Burnham flip-floppyness.MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over0 -
Strange thing about Cameron's leadership is that he almost spent more time as leader of the opposition than he did as PM. And in a way he make more of an impact as leader of the opposition. A pity he had to wait four and half years to enter Downing Street because by then some of the initial energy around him had dissipated IMO.0
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It's a lot more interesting in the darkest timeline.Danny565 said:
Of course that's not necessarily a recommendation.0 -
Don't be like that,do you remember when Blair got those massive majorities and he use to bang on that this was the end of the Tory party - he didn't mean it ;-)SimonStClare said:
Whatever it is they’re going through is more than deserved.Tykejohnno said:Spare a thought for the MP's who lent Corbyn their vote for the leadership of the labour party. - Just think what the poor souls are going through ;-)
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Do you seriously think Corbyn will resign when Labour is destroyed at the next GE?MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
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Saddened living up to his name.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Angela Eagle is the crap "joke", my friend!saddened said:
I'm a fan of not reading crap "jokes" on multiple occasions. But as I'm off to bed feel free to carry on.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Didn't have you down as an Eagle fan.saddened said:
Gained nothing with repetition.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Angela Eagle" is an Old English phrase meaning "extremely lightweight"Danny565 said:Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?
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I am a little confused at the moment, the implication is that it was anti-Corbyn NEC members who voted for the January cut off date for membership. But I can see that helping Corbyn, by that point lots of Pro Corbyn supporters had joined, and some never Corbyns had resigned in discussed. I would have thought that it is only more recently when a leadership challenge looked like happening that the anti-Corbyns have rejoined. maybe I'm completely off on that assumption.Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.
with the membership and supporter category's of voters suppressed (compared to last time) The Trade Union voters have the potential to be more important. (4 million in theory could register for free to vote!) however there is a dichotomy here, while poling suggests most members realise he is a no hopper, the union leadership, especially 'Red Len' of the Unite Union are big supporters and may be able to cajole enough of his members to back Corbyn.
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By all accounts he doesn't even do much of that either....too busy eating bowls of noodles.SouthamObserver said:
At least she puts herself in front of the cameras and microphones. Corbyn chooses not to. He is only interested in talking to the converted.old_labour said:
She is a "strong Northern woman". Surely that's enough.Danny565 said:
Does she honestly believe she's an "effective communicator"?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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Can someone make a flowchart for the rules as to who can vote in this leadership election pls?
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Arl gil'er, the badly spelled threat from a maomentum activist?Dadge said:
Arsely, maybe?Lowlander said:
The next leader of the Labour Party of course.JohnLoony said:
Who/what is "Argclu"?Pulpstar said:
Argclu 4 leader !Lowlander said:
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.
https://twitter.com/delboydare/status/7524905642480394240 -
Yep, Jeremy needs to be re-elected so he can carry on preaching to the converted.old_labour said:
I hope she continues to do so. The more people hear her, the less likely they are to vote for her.SouthamObserver said:
At least she puts herself in front of the cameras and microphones. Corbyn chooses not to. He is only interested in talking to the converted.old_labour said:
She is a "strong Northern woman". Surely that's enough.Danny565 said:
Does she honestly believe she's an "effective communicator"?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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He has been on Peston and Marr in the last two months as well as the Sky News specialSouthamObserver said:
At least she puts herself in front of the cameras and microphones. Corbyn chooses not to. He is only interested in talking to the converted.old_labour said:
She is a "strong Northern woman". Surely that's enough.Danny565 said:
Does she honestly believe she's an "effective communicator"?FrancisUrquhart said:If eagles does win, she won't win a GE ...she is getting soft Ball treatment with Davis lobbing under armed deliveries on Newsnight & she still sounds rubbish.
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I think the idea is that Angela has got to be Michael Howard to Jezza's IDS (i.e with Jezza they may be totally wiped out, with Angie they will lose of course but will live to fight another day)MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
I'd have thought someone like Harriet Harman would make a more plausible Michael Howard though....0 -
The Cheshire PCC election was unusual in that a large town held simultaneous council elections boosting the turnout by 10% and getting the Labour vote out.Danny565 said:
Except in the May local elections, Corbyn's Labour made gains across the Wirral, and they also gained the Cheshire PCC (which I would assume meant a strong performance in Chester itself, since the deep shire Cheshire is a desert for Labour).OllyT said:
Neighbouring Wirral West was also one of the few Labour gains in 2015. We were one of the areas where Labour did OK last time. Doubt Labour has a prayer of holding either in 2020 with CorbynAndyJS said:
It was odd how Labour gained Chester while losing Vale of Clwyd just down the road.OllyT said:
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
Actually I reckon it will be nearer 10,000
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Milne will probably persuade him it is but the first stage of the awakening from false consciousness of the proles.SouthamObserver said:
Do you seriously think Corbyn will resign when Labour is destroyed at the next GE?MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over0 -
As a one nation Cameroon Tory this is what I'm going to be like tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsNr9UJeVY0 -
I think he would lose in a leadership contest in that scenario, especially if up against a candidate with an ounce of gravitasSouthamObserver said:
Do you seriously think Corbyn will resign when Labour is destroyed at the next GE?MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over0 -
They have money. Aron Banks has £250 million, he's already spent £6million on this cause.MarkSenior said:
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
Yeah was going to post similar sentiments earlier.SouthamObserver said:
Do you seriously think Corbyn will resign when Labour is destroyed at the next GE?MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
The idea that he would automatically resign after Labour are reduced to 150 MPs is pretty unrealistic.0 -
For Angela Eagle to win now though she has to win the membership, so she would have more of a mandate than Howard did and he won 33 seatsGIN1138 said:
I think the idea is that Angela has got to be Michael Howard to Jezza's IDS (i.e with Jezza they may be totally wiped out, with Angie they will lose of course but will live to fight another day)MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
I'd have thought someone like Harriet Harman would make a more plausible Michael Howard though....0 -
Aaaah........TheScreamingEagles said:As a one nation Cameroon Tory this is what I'm going to be like tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsNr9UJeVY0 -
Joe Rich
Angela Eagle just revealed Labour's polling on @BBCNewsnight-14% down in the marginals @CllrRuthRosenau @mark_stokie72 @campbellclaret0 -
Followers of Argclu vs Maomentumrottenborough said:Can someone make a flowchart for the rules as to who can vote in this leadership election pls?
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Wouldn't it be more likely to be a rebranded party? Elements of vote leave (Carswell, Hannan, Boris, Leadsom, Stuart, Hoey, Field, IDS) and a Farage-less UKIP? I would think if they could find some common ground, maybe they could make a difference, but not UKIP as they standnunu said:
They have money. Aron Banks has £250 million, he's already spent £6million on this cause.MarkSenior said:
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
Labour are reaping what they've sown, instead of listening to their millions of voters around the country pratts like Mandelson have held court in Islington restaurants.
Good riddance, I hope the Labour party dies for taking ordinary people for granted.0 -
Will that be your young lady when you confess to her that you are a Tory?TheScreamingEagles said:As a one nation Cameroon Tory this is what I'm going to be like tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsNr9UJeVY0 -
Labour notionally lost Wirral West in MayDanny565 said:
Except in the May local elections, Corbyn's Labour made gains across the Wirral, and they also gained the Cheshire PCC (which I would assume meant a strong performance in Chester itself, since the deep shire Cheshire is a desert for Labour).OllyT said:
Neighbouring Wirral West was also one of the few Labour gains in 2015. We were one of the areas where Labour did OK last time. Doubt Labour has a prayer of holding either in 2020 with CorbynAndyJS said:
It was odd how Labour gained Chester while losing Vale of Clwyd just down the road.OllyT said:
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
Actually I reckon it will be nearer 10,000
http://www.fabians.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/The-message-from-the-marginals.pdf
Will be hard for Labour to hold even if they're doing OK0 -
One more heave Comrades! One more heave!Lowlander said:
Yeah was going to post similar sentiments earlier.SouthamObserver said:
Do you seriously think Corbyn will resign when Labour is destroyed at the next GE?MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
The idea that he would automatically resign after Labour are reduced to 150 MPs is pretty unrealistic.0 -
All lies.PlatoSaid said:Joe Rich
Angela Eagle just revealed Labour's polling on @BBCNewsnight-14% down in the marginals @CllrRuthRosenau @mark_stokie72 @campbellclaret0 -
But but but corbynism is sweeping the nation!PlatoSaid said:Joe Rich
Angela Eagle just revealed Labour's polling on @BBCNewsnight-14% down in the marginals @CllrRuthRosenau @mark_stokie72 @campbellclaret0 -
Dylan Strain
Len McCluskey, has opened up a £2.00 registered supporters scheme with Unite Community. Meaning you don't have to spend £25 joining Labour.0 -
Have the NEC finished for the night? I really need to go to bed.0
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She knows I'm a Tory.old_labour said:
Will that be your young lady when you confess to her that you are a Tory?TheScreamingEagles said:As a one nation Cameroon Tory this is what I'm going to be like tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsNr9UJeVY0 -
Really? Seriously? By that time the hard left will have full control and there will have been any number of deselections. What's more, the results of general elections are of little interest to parties that do not aspire to govern through Parliament.MontyHall said:
I think he would lose in a leadership contest in that scenario, especially if up against a candidate with an ounce of gravitasSouthamObserver said:
Do you seriously think Corbyn will resign when Labour is destroyed at the next GE?MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
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clearly not:rottenborough said:Have the NEC finished for the night? I really need to go to bed.
George Eaton @georgeeaton 55s56 seconds ago
Affiliated supporters who join between now and 8 August expected to be able to vote, says Labour source. But not confirmed.
Give me a flowchart!!!0 -
Stitch up vs stitch up..even cheaper than £3 this time around!PlatoSaid said:Dylan Strain
Len McCluskey, has opened up a £2.00 registered supporters scheme with Unite Community. Meaning you don't have to spend £25 joining Labour.0 -
The thing is, I see it as the exact opposite. Corbyn would not win a general election, but he would atleast IMO save most current Labour seats (as shown in the OK but unspectacular results in the council elections in May). He doesn't have any interest or ability in winning anyone beyond the core Labour vote, but at least he does have some basic appeal to that core vote. Another defeat for Labour, but atleast enough of the furniture saved for a potential future win if a good leader eventually turns up.GIN1138 said:
I think the idea is that Angela has got to be Michael Howard to Jezza's IDS (i.e with Jezza they may be totally wiped out, with Angie they will lose of course but will live to fight another day)MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
I'd have thought someone like Harriet Harman would make a more plausible Michael Howard though....
On the other hand, Eagle with a Remain-style strategy would royally piss off huge tranches of the core vote who are desperate for some kind of change from the status quo, while her complete lack of charisma would mean she would be unable to win over any other voters to compensate for the loss of core votes. A massive defeat, putting Labour out of business forever, all so the PLP get to feel they won their ego battle with the membership.0 -
Feeling more optimistic with reversal of the leadership rules-The 3 quidders were just making a mockery of the contest.0
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Like the hat,- what shoes will you be wearing?TheScreamingEagles said:As a one nation Cameroon Tory this is what I'm going to be like tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsNr9UJeVY0 -
Well, yes... good pointBrom said:
Question is how would D Miliband or Balls get a seat while Corbyn is in charge?MontyHall said:Angela Eagles is much, much worse than Corbyn.
Labour should let him lose the next GE and hope Chuka, Ed Balls or D Miliband are in a position to take over
Still, being seen to be overturning a democratically elected leader is not a good look. Rome wasn't built in a day. UKIP looked to have had a poor GE, but it turned out that 4m votes were a pointer towards achieving their goal, while staying true to themselves. I think its best for Labour to let Corbyn fail, then beat him fairly. Either way they aren't winning the next GE0
