After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Tomorrow we find out whether Theresa is serious about Brexit or not... If Osborne and the other REMAINERS get the most senior positions we'll have our answer,..
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
Ms. Eagles would say there's losing and then there's LOSING...
Losing 30% to 37% is one thing but what if they lose 25% to 45%, etc.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
Ms. Eagles would say there's losing and then there's LOSING...
Losing 30% to 37% is one thing but what if they lose 25% to 45%, etc.
Either Corbyn or Eagle wins around 200 seats I think.
Why am I blaming him? Because he is the Leader of the Labour party. At the end of the day the buck stops with him. If Angela Eagle was so terrible in the leadership debates the real question is why did Corbyn's leadership let her have such a platform in the first place?
Corbyn's massive mandate does not mean he does not have to inspire the confidence of his MPs. He should not be automatically given 2-3 years to come up with a coherent message. Labour made the same mistake with Ed Miliband. It was Ed Miliband's inability to come up with a coherent vision supported by policies which led to Labour losing a GE. The public make up their minds about leaders pretty quickly: especially in a 24-hour media world. Consequently those who start off their leadership with low approval ratings usually never recover.
The PLP did not destabilise Corbyn. Corbyn was unable to run a successful operation as leader of the Labour party. There were several reports under him that Labour HQ was a total mess. If Corbyn cannot run a political party he cannot run the country. It is not reasonable to ask why all PLP members did not resign their seats. That is not how parliamentary democracy works. Whenever MPs do not have confidence in their leader that leader is expected to resign and it is simple as that. One individual does not override the entire parliamentary Labour party.
And while the PLP are not particularly representative of Labour voters, the situation is even worse in regard to the membership. The difference is, is that the PLP care about winning elections, which means (to a degree) they consider the views of voters. The membership do not care about winning elections, and consequently they do not care about the views of Labour voters or indeed anyone else.
Ditching Corbyn will not solve all Labour's problems. What it will do though, is offer the opportunity of electing a leader who considers views outside of the Labour membership. And if Labour lose members then so be it. Potentially losing people who refuse to acknowledge views outside of Islington will be a good thing for Labour.
Heidi Alexander @heidi_mp 24m24 minutes ago God, this is awful. John, I resigned because the whole operation was f*#$ing useless not because of a plot.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be a good idea because they might lose seats to UKIP which would be difficult to win back again.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
A modest suggestion: perhaps it should consider finding & then expressing the will of the people?
SNP Government didn't send out a 'blanket letter' to inform Scottish parents about the Named Person law, but now says this is the right approach after Brexit vote!
"An SNP spokesman said: “Graeme Dey and other SNP parliamentarians have rightly taken the lead in engaging with EU citizens in their constituencies and ensuring them that they remain welcome in Scotland and their contribution is valued.”"
I think I speak for at least some Tories in that I don't want an uncompetitive one party state. However I *do* want Labour and their supporters to have a taste of the kind of entrenched desperation and despair that we had to suffer in 97, 01 and to a lesser extent 05.
That entails a far bigger majority than 12.
Yes, I know, the 80s. But many are too young to have been there, me included.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
A modest suggestion: perhaps it should consider finding & then expressing the will of the people?
Who knows, it might win the next Referendum..
And even gain power!
There is no such thing as 'the will of the people'
Though I suspect we are pretty close to having everyone believing 'enough, already'
I think I speak for at least some Tories in that I don't want an uncompetitive one party state. However I *do* want Labour and their supporters to have a taste of the kind of entrenched desperation and despair that we had to suffer in 97, 01 and to a lesser extent 05.
That entails a far bigger majority than 12.
Yes, I know, the 80s. But many are too young to have been there, me included.
As long as Theresa May doesn't start talking about the Conservatives being the 'political wing of the British people' I doubt the same sense of despair could be fully recreated.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
A modest suggestion: perhaps it should consider finding & then expressing the will of the people?
Who knows, it might win the next Referendum..
And even gain power!
There is no such thing as 'the will of the people'
Though I suspect we are pretty close to having everyone believing 'enough, already'
er.. have you ever considered accepting an election result?
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
A modest suggestion: perhaps it should consider finding & then expressing the will of the people?
Who knows, it might win the next Referendum..
And even gain power!
There is no such thing as 'the will of the people'
Though I suspect we are pretty close to having everyone believing 'enough, already'
er.. have you ever considered accepting an election result?
That isn't the will of the people - because there will never be unanimity on any topic. An election result is just the result of a process whereby individuals make a choice and the political class has to deal with the electoral maths.
That is not the considered will of the people because no such thing exists.
It is, in essence, a collective unconscious compromise.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
A modest suggestion: perhaps it should consider finding & then expressing the will of the people?
Who knows, it might win the next Referendum..
And even gain power!
There is no such thing as 'the will of the people'
Though I suspect we are pretty close to having everyone believing 'enough, already'
er.. have you ever considered accepting an election result?
That isn't the will of the people - because there will never be unanimity on any topic. An election result is just the result of a process whereby individuals make a choice and the political class has to deal with the electoral maths.
That is not the considered will of the people because no such thing exists.
It is, in essence, a collective unconscious compromise.
Well, lets reduce it to a binary choice - Yes or No on a particular subject.
After Monday, I thought it would be hard to top it in terms of political shocks/surprises/madness - but Tuesday has managed that.
What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
Have you seen the reaction to the £25 charge on twitter ?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
I think there could well be moves by the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party as well as moves by members of the Labour Party to sue the Labour Party. Lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I said to @Jobabob earlier today that Labour's best course of action would just be to lose the next GE with Jezza in charge so it can be shown that he is unelectable.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
And even gain power!
There is no such thing as 'the will of the people'
Though I suspect we are pretty close to having everyone believing 'enough, already'
er.. have you ever considered accepting an election result?
That isn't the will of the people - because there will never be unanimity on any topic. An election result is just the result of a process whereby individuals make a choice and the political class has to deal with the electoral maths.
That is not the considered will of the people because no such thing exists.
It is, in essence, a collective unconscious compromise.
Well, lets reduce it to a binary choice - Yes or No on a particular subject.
I pick 1938
So, Anchshluss = Ja or Nein.
The people spoke, there was no electoral maths.
Sorry but you don't seem to be grasping the simple point I am making. Even in 1938 there was not complete agreement - there were still those who opposed it openly and more who opposed it in private but chose not to rock the boat. It was still not the 'will of the people'
All anyone can ever hope is to persuade enough people to support your particular combination of policies and personalities to give you a chance of power. But to try to claim that as the will of the people is to delude yourself. You will never get everyone on side. Ever.
I don't think that would be enough for Corbyn to go. He would just say he needs more time to get his message across - and by that time, more of his followers would be in positions of power.
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
And even gain power!
There is no such thing as 'the will of the people'
Though I suspect we are pretty close to having everyone believing 'enough, already'
er.. have you ever considered accepting an election result?
That isn't the will of the people - because there will never be unanimity on any topic. An election result is just the result of a process whereby individuals make a choice and the political class has to deal with the electoral maths.
That is not the considered will of the people because no such thing exists.
It is, in essence, a collective unconscious compromise.
Well, lets reduce it to a binary choice - Yes or No on a particular subject.
I pick 1938
So, Anchshluss = Ja or Nein.
The people spoke, there was no electoral maths.
Sorry but you don't seem to be grasping the simple point I am making. Even in 1938 there was not complete agreement - there were still those who opposed it openly and more who opposed it in private but chose not to rock the boat. It was still not the 'will of the people'
All anyone can ever hope is to persuade enough people to support your particular combination of policies and personalities to give you a chance of power. But to try to claim that as the will of the people is to delude yourself. You will never get everyone on side. Ever.
Ok, so my reply was difficult to answer.
Lets define terms: The will of the people is the response of the people to a simple question at a particular time.
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What will Wednesday bring? We have PMQs, a new PM, maybe the appointment of key members of the new Cabinet
What can Labour do to descend further into chaos?
"Blairite poll tax" one of the kinder descriptions.
Amusing they left a unite sized hole though
Losing 30% to 37% is one thing but what if they lose 25% to 45%, etc.
Why am I blaming him? Because he is the Leader of the Labour party. At the end of the day the buck stops with him. If Angela Eagle was so terrible in the leadership debates the real question is why did Corbyn's leadership let her have such a platform in the first place?
Corbyn's massive mandate does not mean he does not have to inspire the confidence of his MPs. He should not be automatically given 2-3 years to come up with a coherent message. Labour made the same mistake with Ed Miliband. It was Ed Miliband's inability to come up with a coherent vision supported by policies which led to Labour losing a GE. The public make up their minds about leaders pretty quickly: especially in a 24-hour media world. Consequently those who start off their leadership with low approval ratings usually never recover.
The PLP did not destabilise Corbyn. Corbyn was unable to run a successful operation as leader of the Labour party. There were several reports under him that Labour HQ was a total mess. If Corbyn cannot run a political party he cannot run the country. It is not reasonable to ask why all PLP members did not resign their seats. That is not how parliamentary democracy works. Whenever MPs do not have confidence in their leader that leader is expected to resign and it is simple as that. One individual does not override the entire parliamentary Labour party.
And while the PLP are not particularly representative of Labour voters, the situation is even worse in regard to the membership. The difference is, is that the PLP care about winning elections, which means (to a degree) they consider the views of voters. The membership do not care about winning elections, and consequently they do not care about the views of Labour voters or indeed anyone else.
Ditching Corbyn will not solve all Labour's problems. What it will do though, is offer the opportunity of electing a leader who considers views outside of the Labour membership. And if Labour lose members then so be it. Potentially losing people who refuse to acknowledge views outside of Islington will be a good thing for Labour.
Which song? I didn't see it!
God, this is awful. John, I resigned because the whole operation was f*#$ing useless not because of a plot.
Also Depeche Mode appeared on last week's vintage Top of the Pops episode, at 15 mins 45 secs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07jl1bb/top-of-the-pops-11021982
Labour does not have an exit strategy.
Yes, I saw the TOTP clip.
Who knows, it might win the next Referendum..
And even gain power!
The Courier - German woman resident in Tayside ‘alarmed’ by Brexit letter
"An SNP spokesman said: “Graeme Dey and other SNP parliamentarians have rightly taken the lead in engaging with EU citizens in their constituencies and ensuring them that they remain welcome in Scotland and their contribution is valued.”"
That entails a far bigger majority than 12.
Yes, I know, the 80s. But many are too young to have been there, me included.
Though I suspect we are pretty close to having everyone believing 'enough, already'
That is not the considered will of the people because no such thing exists.
It is, in essence, a collective unconscious compromise.
I pick 1938
So, Anchshluss = Ja or Nein.
The people spoke, there was no electoral maths.
All anyone can ever hope is to persuade enough people to support your particular combination of policies and personalities to give you a chance of power. But to try to claim that as the will of the people is to delude yourself. You will never get everyone on side. Ever.