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Corbyn is on the ballot – Labour rebels lose by four.

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  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    ha ha
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Labour, laughing stock of the world...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Disaster for Labour.
  • Charlie_FalconerCharlie_Falconer Posts: 9
    Terrible news.

    I'm resigning.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,601
    edited July 2016
    Well today's house of cards episode was a cracker wasn't it...the end of the labour party as we know it. Tomorrow the end of Cameron & Osborne and a new cabinet.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited July 2016
    Experts...

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 12m12 minutes ago

    It looks as though Corbyn has lost

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    #CarryOnCorbyn
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    It was always going to be the case. Given the chance Labour will always shoot itself in the foot.

    So now it becomes an extra-Parliamentary pressure group, gives up seeking to ever be in government and the mass deselections begin.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/752938516007546880
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    AndyJS said:

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/752938516007546880

    As a Parliamentary party. It will be a very big protest movement.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,601
    RodCrosby said:

    #CarryOnCorbyn

    They are planning on making a new carry on film apparently...they have plenty of subject material to go at.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Ode to the Labour Party 2016

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy9_lfjQopU
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Anyone who did their own reading could see that there wasn't really a case for kicking Corbyn on this issue.

    I'd not say he is sure of such a ringing victory this time, or victory at all without some serious ballot stuffing..
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    FPT.

    This is good news for those who want as clean a break as possible from the EU. No knicker-wetting Europhile across the despatch box from Theresa May if Jeremy wins.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,894
    Last chance is the coming leadership contest.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    FPT.

    Speak for Stoke, Jeremy!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Atleast now Labour has a chance of surviving, as opposed to the complete destruction if the clueless PLP had taken back control, imposed the disastrous Remain Campaign strategy, brought in Angela Eagle as a leader who makes Corbyn look like a statesman, and willfully tried to drive most of the members into a breakaway party
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Charlie_Falconer said:

    Terrible news.

    I'm resigning.

    :lol:
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    http://m.stokesentinel.co.uk/hundreds-of-people-in-staffordshire-sign-petition-calling-for-article-50-to-invoked-immediately/story-29491848-detail/story.html
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    I'm not sure that this changes the PLP's calculus here. They have to go at it, whatever.

    I said it a number of days ago, its about breaking Corbyn down, bit by bit by bit. Emotionally and mentally, if not in a leadership election.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,930
    Labour = fucked

    I don't see any way for them to get out of this in one piece. They must now challenge Corbyn and the membership will keep Corbyn in place. I look at Leadsom and think, there but for the grace of God go we.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    It's the right thing Corbyn is on the ballot.

    It is politically stupid but it's technically and morally right. The original stupidity was gifting Corbyn the 35 MPs last year to enter the leadership race.

    His leadership campaign let the socialist cat out of the bag and the only way to now wring that cat's neck and stuff it back in the bag is to beat it in a one-on-one leadership contest.

    I think Labour can do that if they have the right candidate and make a barnstorming argument.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Y0kel said:

    Anyone who did their own reading could see that there wasn't really a case for kicking Corbyn on this issue.

    I'd not say he is sure of such a ringing victory this time, or victory at all without some serious ballot stuffing..

    Absolutely nailed on to win by a very big margin. Labour members have given up on seeking power, they want a party that speaks out on the issues that matter most to them - open immigration, Palestinian solidarity, nuclear disarmament, the refugee crisis etc. All worthy causes, none of them remotely interesting or relevant to voters.

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    In terms of politics this is hands down the most amazing year of my life. It's literally fantastic. You would never be able to sell this as a novel.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,141
    edited July 2016
    A close result but Corbyn gets on the ballot. The best Eagle can hope for is to wound him, the latest members' poll had her getting 40% to his 50% and if Smith runs too he could take a few Corbyn first preferences as well. However Labour has again proved it lacks Tory ruthlessness, Tory rules ensured IDS never faced a second members' ballot in 2003 because he might well have won it. If Corbyn wins the membership ballot again he likely leads the party into the next election unless it is very close in which case UKIP will be breathing hard down Labour's neck and potentially eating into the white working class, the Tories will be the largest party in all likelihood, the question is if Corbyn Labour or UKIP takes second place, especially if the LDs eat into social democratic Labour voters too
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,108
    Danny565 said:

    Atleast now Labour has a chance of surviving, as opposed to the complete destruction if the clueless PLP had taken back control, imposed the disastrous Remain Campaign strategy, brought in Angela Eagle as a leader who makes Corbyn look like a statesman, and willfully tried to drive most of the members into a breakaway party

    To rescue Labour from the dustbyn of history requires a miracle.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    This is fantastic news! I may have to join Labour to lend my support to Comrade Corbyn.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    How many times can the PLP challenge Corbyn?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,060
    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited July 2016
    Jonathan said:

    Danny565 said:

    Atleast now Labour has a chance of surviving, as opposed to the complete destruction if the clueless PLP had taken back control, imposed the disastrous Remain Campaign strategy, brought in Angela Eagle as a leader who makes Corbyn look like a statesman, and willfully tried to drive most of the members into a breakaway party

    To rescue Labour from the dustbyn of history requires a miracle.
    Quite, which is why it's such a good thing that Eagle and the PLP aren't going to be allowed to push Labour further down into the dustbin just so they can satisfy their own egos and ideological purity.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,830
    Great photo from ScottP last thread:

    https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/752937865974341633

    A Corbyn *innocent face*?
  • MontyHallMontyHall Posts: 226
    Leadership Election, London Mayoralty, Oldham by election, NEC decision...

    Corbyn the serial winner?
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    I wonder what the last few weeks would have been like if REMAIN had won the referendum?
    The only thing that may have happened would have been the challenge to Corbyn (maybe)?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,610
    Ok, I got it wrong. My prediction didn't happen.

    Labour RIP. What a bleak day for the centre-left.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,086
    edited July 2016
    One party democracy here we come.

    Congrats to the Tories - you've won the next 2-3 General Elections.

    Labour heading for sub 20% at next GE under Corbyn.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    Y0kel said:

    I'm not sure that this changes the PLP's calculus here. They have to go at it, whatever.

    I said it a number of days ago, its about breaking Corbyn down, bit by bit by bit. Emotionally and mentally, if not in a leadership election.

    Corbyn will cling on for dear life no matter what. MPs who nominated him, along with the Labour members who voted for him killed the Labour party. I don't want to hear anyone who voted for Corbyn, or who supports him complain in 2020 (or whenever we have another GE) about a Tory majority happening. Predictably, the same people who are celebrating now are probably going to go on twitter and moan about how 'terrible' the GBP are when they re-elect the Conservatives again, and wonder why the public has rejected Corbyn, and Corbynite MPs (following deselections).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,787
    John_M said:

    In terms of politics this is hands down the most amazing year of my life. It's literally fantastic. You would never be able to sell this as a novel.

    Yes. I'm not in the best of health, and might be best served by another break from PB. But I cannot: it's like catnip.

    Can someone ask Labour to be sane just for my health? Pretty please?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    MaxPB said:

    Labour = fucked

    I don't see any way for them to get out of this in one piece. They must now challenge Corbyn and the membership will keep Corbyn in place. I look at Leadsom and think, there but for the grace of God go we.

    Is Corbyn a dad?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,562
    Fenster said:

    It is politically stupid but it's technically and morally right. The original stupidity was gifting Corbyn the 35 MPs last year to enter the leadership race.

    No the £3 supporters fee was what made a maverick leader possible.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,930
    Danny565 said:

    Atleast now Labour has a chance of surviving, as opposed to the complete destruction if the clueless PLP had taken back control, imposed the disastrous Remain Campaign strategy, brought in Angela Eagle as a leader who makes Corbyn look like a statesman, and willfully tried to drive most of the members into a breakaway party

    Remember that 62% of Labour voters were in favour of remain. Obviously the leadership need to come up with policies for the 38% but holding on to the 62% is important as well.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Fenster said:

    It's the right thing Corbyn is on the ballot.

    It is politically stupid but it's technically and morally right. The original stupidity was gifting Corbyn the 35 MPs last year to enter the leadership race.

    His leadership campaign let the socialist cat out of the bag and the only way to now wring that cat's neck and stuff it back in the bag is to beat it in a one-on-one leadership contest.

    I think Labour can do that if they have the right candidate and make a barnstorming argument.

    I agree with this. It would have been immoral to exclude Corbyn.

    The dreadful Eagle could barely win if she was the only candidate.

    The rebels need to find someone inspirational & authentic if they want to win.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    HYUFD said:

    A close result but Corbyn gets on the ballot. The best Eagle can hope for is to wound him, the latest members' poll had her getting 40% to his 50% and if Smith runs too he could take a few Corbyn first preferences as well. However Labour has again proved it lacks Tory ruthlessness, Tory rules ensured IDS never faced a second member's ballot in 2003 because he might well have won it. If Corbyn wins the membership ballot again he likely leads the party into the next election unless it is very close in which case UKIP will be breathing hard down Labour's neck and potentially wating into the white working class, the Tories will be the largest party in all likelihood, the question is if Corbyn Labour or UKIP takes second place, especially if the LDs eat onto social democratic Labour voters too

    The hard left is very ruthless and relentless. It has achieved everything it ever wanted from the Labour party. It now has full control and a platform from which to spearhead the proletarian uprising :-D

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,060
    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Appropriately, Caroline Flint is dressed in black while being interviewed on Sky News.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,054
    Mr. Owls, I suspect that will happen.

    How long will the leadership contest last?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited July 2016
    RobD said:

    Great photo from ScottP last thread:

    https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/752937865974341633

    A Corbyn *innocent face*?

    image
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,108
    Danny565 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Danny565 said:

    Atleast now Labour has a chance of surviving, as opposed to the complete destruction if the clueless PLP had taken back control, imposed the disastrous Remain Campaign strategy, brought in Angela Eagle as a leader who makes Corbyn look like a statesman, and willfully tried to drive most of the members into a breakaway party

    To rescue Labour from the dustbyn of history requires a miracle.
    Quite, which is why it's such a good thing that Eagle isn't going to be allowed to push Labour further down into the dustbin.
    This dustbyn is entirely of Corbyns making. Tragically the most vulnerable will suffer.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,157
    Objectively, morally, and legally, the decision is almost certainly the right one.

    Politically, it would have been *interesting* to see what would have happened next, if the vote had gone the other way.

    LBC saying that somebody on the anti-Corbyn side may still take this to court. Would be a mistake, in my view.

    All right thinking people need to consider how we can put Labour out of its misery, soon as.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    bigjohnowls said:

    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.

    Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?

    Holy crap!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,601
    SeanT said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    It was always going to be the case. Given the chance Labour will always shoot itself in the foot.

    So now it becomes an extra-Parliamentary pressure group, gives up seeking to ever be in government and the mass deselections begin.

    Indeed. So what the F do the British people do, without an Opposition?

    And congrats on calling this one right - and the referendum. Your Romney error seems a long time ago now.
    I believe there are these people called the lib somethings...dems is it?
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited July 2016
    SouthamObserver said:

    Y0kel said:

    Anyone who did their own reading could see that there wasn't really a case for kicking Corbyn on this issue.

    I'd not say he is sure of such a ringing victory this time, or victory at all without some serious ballot stuffing..

    Absolutely nailed on to win by a very big margin. Labour members have given up on seeking power, they want a party that speaks out on the issues that matter most to them - open immigration, Palestinian solidarity, nuclear disarmament, the refugee crisis etc. All worthy causes, none of them remotely interesting or relevant to voters.

    You've been right on a lot of things lately but I'm not sure Corbyn is as bulletproof - vis a vis the members - as he was.

    The timing of the challenge was poor from Watson, Eagle and co. The Chilcot inquiry interrupted a drip, drip, drip of shit for Corbyn, and put him back in the game. Watson - a devious and cunning operator - should've been cuter and waited.

    I still think Corbyn can be beaten. But it will take some serious balls, energy and persuasion.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,274
    A split looks inevitable now.

    Should Eagle pull out and others considering running not put their names forward? Seems like it will be a complete waste of time to actually have a contest when the outcome is already decided.

    Perhaps their time should be purely focused now on setting in motion and laying the groundwork for a new party.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,848
    Good. Now we can actually have a fair election and find out whether Eagle, Smith or anyone else has a genuine alternative to offer. It's embarrassing that they were pinning their hopes to keeping their opponent off the ballot.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,672
    Fenster said:

    It's the right thing Corbyn is on the ballot.

    It is politically stupid but it's technically and morally right. The original stupidity was gifting Corbyn the 35 MPs last year to enter the leadership race.

    His leadership campaign let the socialist cat out of the bag and the only way to now wring that cat's neck and stuff it back in the bag is to beat it in a one-on-one leadership contest.

    I think Labour can do that if they have the right candidate and make a barnstorming argument.

    And exactly who is that candidate and can make that argument. I look down my (very gren) betfair candidate list and there isn't a single name that is either the right candidate nor could do a barnstorming argument...
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    I know a lot of these members and can well believe they will keep Corbyn in place.And the less said about the 3 quidders (fucking Ed`s brainwave), the better.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Good. If the PLP deserve to win they should be able to defeat Corbyn.

    If they can't then it's Corbyn's party fair and square and there should be mandatory re-elections.

    Let the fight for the heart of Labour commence.

    And to think the referendum was supposed to divide the Tories LOL!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,060
    @Labourinsider seems to say things that come to pass.

    Although they are predicting an 17 -14 outcome with 2 absentees.

    I presume there will only be 10 union reps and one of the Morning Stars Corbyn definites has switvhed sides.

    FWIW i reckon 19-12 but hey EICIPM

    Should have stuck to my opinion from earlier
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SeanT said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    It was always going to be the case. Given the chance Labour will always shoot itself in the foot.

    So now it becomes an extra-Parliamentary pressure group, gives up seeking to ever be in government and the mass deselections begin.

    Indeed. So what the F do the British people do, without an Opposition?

    And congrats on calling this one right - and the referendum. Your Romney error seems a long time ago now.
    I believe there are these people called the lib somethings...dems is it?
    Yeah, I know who you mean...begins with 'L' anyway, Leader is Flowery Lemon or something like that.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    NickPalmer said:

    Good. Now we can actually have a fair election and find out whether Eagle, Smith or anyone else has a genuine alternative to offer. It's embarrassing that they were pinning their hopes to keeping their opponent off the ballot.

    I agree 100%.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    I can see the political posters now.......



    Fire up the motorcycle & Sidecar
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    Moses_ said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.

    Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?

    Holy crap!
    Yes. Corbyn has lost the support of MPs of all political views. Left, Right, Blairite, Brownite, soft left, Blue Labour etc. Obviously all of these people are just 'wrong'. Consequently, the Labour party will become uniformly Corbynite. Unlike any other political party, Labour will cease to be a board church of views. Only Corbynism will be tolerated. It was always going to be this way as many Corbynites I've spoken to cannot deal with disagreement on any subject whatsoever.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,914
    Can Labour MPs and MEPs nominate more than one candidate? Presumably not.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,672
    Someone is betting £4500 on Owen Smith at 3.95 on betfair
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    glw said:

    Fenster said:

    It is politically stupid but it's technically and morally right. The original stupidity was gifting Corbyn the 35 MPs last year to enter the leadership race.

    No the £3 supporters fee was what made a maverick leader possible.
    Does the £3 cover two votes? The Sainsbury's option?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    SeanT said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    It was always going to be the case. Given the chance Labour will always shoot itself in the foot.

    So now it becomes an extra-Parliamentary pressure group, gives up seeking to ever be in government and the mass deselections begin.

    Indeed. So what the F do the British people do, without an Opposition?
    Found a new party to do that job. Electable Labour is not coming back. We need to forget about it.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    NickPalmer said:

    Good. Now we can actually have a fair election and find out whether Eagle, Smith or anyone else has a genuine alternative to offer. It's embarrassing that they were pinning their hopes to keeping their opponent off the ballot.

    Don't be silly Nick, this election is now about who can sign up more members and more £3ers.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,108
    NickPalmer said:

    Good. Now we can actually have a fair election and find out whether Eagle, Smith or anyone else has a genuine alternative to offer. It's embarrassing that they were pinning their hopes to keeping their opponent off the ballot.

    Let's hope it will be fair. What do you reckon will happen if Corbyn wins? Can't form a govt with this PLP.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,060
    Moses_ said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.

    Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?

    Holy crap!
    PLP has to be replaced wholesale.

    Bradshaw, Eagles and the rest of the pro Iraq brigade have been MPs for too long.

    15 years of Blairite only shortlists have produced a type of Lab MP that wouldnt recognise a working class voter if they tripped over them at the Food Bank
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    NickPalmer said:

    Good. Now we can actually have a fair election and find out whether Eagle, Smith or anyone else has a genuine alternative to offer. It's embarrassing that they were pinning their hopes to keeping their opponent off the ballot.

    Well that's how Eagle got a seat in the first place. She's merely sticking to what she knows.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,458
    Laura Kuenssberg ✔
    Highly likely that Labour Party itself will challenge the decision in the courts
    8:01 PM - 12 Jul 2016

    What does that mean?

    Who is the Labour Party that will do the challenging?

    Is it the NEC who will challenge their own decision?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Here comes the champ!

    People queueing for selfies....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,108
    bigjohnowls said:

    Moses_ said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.

    Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?

    Holy crap!
    PLP has to be replaced wholesale.

    Bradshaw, Eagles and the rest of the pro Iraq brigade have been MPs for too long.

    15 years of Blairite only shortlists have produced a type of Lab MP that wouldnt recognise a working class voter if they tripped over them at the Food Bank
    You would deselect Attlee
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,830
    Barnesian said:

    Laura Kuenssberg ✔
    Highly likely that Labour Party itself will challenge the decision in the courts
    8:01 PM - 12 Jul 2016

    What does that mean?

    Who is the Labour Party that will do the challenging?

    Is it the NEC who will challenge their own decision?

    Well, someone in the party could disagree with the NEC.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited July 2016
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  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,743
    SouthamObserver said:

    HYUFD said:

    A close result but Corbyn gets on the ballot. The best Eagle can hope for is to wound him, the latest members' poll had her getting 40% to his 50% and if Smith runs too he could take a few Corbyn first preferences as well. However Labour has again proved it lacks Tory ruthlessness, Tory rules ensured IDS never faced a second member's ballot in 2003 because he might well have won it. If Corbyn wins the membership ballot again he likely leads the party into the next election unless it is very close in which case UKIP will be breathing hard down Labour's neck and potentially wating into the white working class, the Tories will be the largest party in all likelihood, the question is if Corbyn Labour or UKIP takes second place, especially if the LDs eat onto social democratic Labour voters too

    The hard left is very ruthless and relentless. It has achieved everything it ever wanted from the Labour party. It now has full control and a platform from which to spearhead the proletarian uprising :-D

    Will Corbyn win a GE? No.
    Will someone who thinks and looks like Corbyn win a GE? No.
    What will happen to a Labour party that looks and thinks like Corbyn? They ain't going to win in Nuneaton.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    edited July 2016
    What's the point in challenging the decision in the courts? They may as well spend that time organising a breakaway party, which is how this will end.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Y0kel said:

    Anyone who did their own reading could see that there wasn't really a case for kicking Corbyn on this issue.

    I'd not say he is sure of such a ringing victory this time, or victory at all without some serious ballot stuffing..

    Absolutely nailed on to win by a very big margin. Labour members have given up on seeking power, they want a party that speaks out on the issues that matter most to them - open immigration, Palestinian solidarity, nuclear disarmament, the refugee crisis etc. All worthy causes, none of them remotely interesting or relevant to voters.

    You've been right on a lot of things lately but I'm not sure Corbyn is as bulletproof - vis a vis the members - as he was.

    The timing of the challenge was poor from Watson, Eagle and co. The Chilcot inquiry interrupted a drip, drip, drip of shit for Corbyn, and put him back in the game. Watson - a devious and cunning operator - should've been cuter and waited.

    I still think Corbyn can be beaten. But it will take some serious balls, energy and persuasion.
    Supposedly another 100,000 people have joined Labour recently. Do you think they've joined because they LOVE Angela Eagle and her crazy sapphic dress sense?

    Corbyn will win.
    Not only will he win, I can see him winning with an even larger first round total.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 11m11 minutes ago

    Highly likely that Labour Party itself will challenge the decision in the courts
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    murali_s said:

    One party democracy here we come.

    Congrats to the Tories - you've won the next 2-3 General Elections.

    Labour heading for sub 20% at next GE under Corbyn.

    This is an interesting point Mr Murali

    If Jez wins the contest and then loses the next election but hangs still refusing to go is anyone able to remove him? Ever?

    Split inevitable by the looks
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,961
    MontyHall said:

    Leadership Election, London Mayoralty, Oldham by election, NEC decision...

    Corbyn the serial winner?

    And Brexit? ;)
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,458
    ReggieCide said:

    glw said:

    Fenster said:

    It is politically stupid but it's technically and morally right. The original stupidity was gifting Corbyn the 35 MPs last year to enter the leadership race.

    No the £3 supporters fee was what made a maverick leader possible.
    Does the £3 cover two votes? The Sainsbury's option?
    Perhaps the NEC is currently considering the rules on who can vote and what price they pay.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,930
    It would be interesting to hear from HenryG right now. Would love some insight.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Corbyn speaking now before a jubilant crowd.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,610
    Jonathan said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Moses_ said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.

    Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?

    Holy crap!
    PLP has to be replaced wholesale.

    Bradshaw, Eagles and the rest of the pro Iraq brigade have been MPs for too long.

    15 years of Blairite only shortlists have produced a type of Lab MP that wouldnt recognise a working class voter if they tripped over them at the Food Bank
    You would deselect Attlee
    The far left have no interest in the working class, other than as casualties in their fantasy march to a Maoist state.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    FA using current events to slip Allardyce into the England job... it's not only Labour who have turned their backs on elitist "winning"
  • DaveDaveDaveDave Posts: 76
    great day for democracy from Labour. The establishment, be it Labour or Tories, are a disgrace. It's not about them in Westminster who runs the country, it is the people. brexit is a start. Corbyn, much as he is not my cup of tea, is the man of their party
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JeremyCliffe: Imagine a Labour 2.0 with 170 MPs, including the party's big names. That party becomes official opposition. Corbyn's Labour 1.0 irrelevant.
  • SirBenjaminSirBenjamin Posts: 238
    OK, now is the time for May to make a big, open offer to moderate, sensible Labour members to jump ship. Kendall, Chuka, Tristram... We'd even take Woodward back. Maybe.

    Pre-empt the Lab split by getting some of their better people to join a decent, centrist Tory administration - it would be a stroke of genius.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Barnesian said:

    Laura Kuenssberg ✔
    Highly likely that Labour Party itself will challenge the decision in the courts
    8:01 PM - 12 Jul 2016

    What does that mean?

    Who is the Labour Party that will do the challenging?

    Is it the NEC who will challenge their own decision?

    Doesn't make any sense. Who but the NEC itself makes decisions for the party in general?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,830
    Scott_P said:

    @JeremyCliffe: Imagine a Labour 2.0 with 170 MPs, including the party's big names. That party becomes official opposition. Corbyn's Labour 1.0 irrelevant.

    Surely it is Labour 4.0, given that Blair's was the "Third Way'?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,784
    bigjohnowls said:

    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.

    Yes, and virtually all party members with sitting Labour MPs who support Corbyn in the ballot need to know that in voting for him they're going to be voting to dump their sitting MP, in more sense than one as a Conservative will win it in too many cases. Because by the time the Trots are the only ones left in the party, that's what will happen, if the MP hasn't jumped first. By the time the bulk of the membership wakes up to the consequences of their vote, too many will already have left to reverse the consequences of a Corbyn win.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jack W was hinting at a radical cabinet from May earlier

    Moderate Labour crossing the floor?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,458
    RobD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Laura Kuenssberg ✔
    Highly likely that Labour Party itself will challenge the decision in the courts
    8:01 PM - 12 Jul 2016

    What does that mean?

    Who is the Labour Party that will do the challenging?

    Is it the NEC who will challenge their own decision?

    Well, someone in the party could disagree with the NEC.
    She says "Labour party itself" not some random member.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    NickPalmer said:

    Good. Now we can actually have a fair election and find out whether Eagle, Smith or anyone else has a genuine alternative to offer. It's embarrassing that they were pinning their hopes to keeping their opponent off the ballot.

    Christ, how do you take the smell?
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    SeanT said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Moses_ said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.

    Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?

    Holy crap!
    Yes. Corbyn has lost the support of MPs of all political views. Left, Right, Blairite, Brownite, soft left, Blue Labour etc. Obviously all of these people are just 'wrong'. Consequently, the Labour party will become uniformly Corbynite. Unlike any other political party, Labour will cease to be a board church of views. Only Corbynism will be tolerated. It was always going to be this way as many Corbynites I've spoken to cannot deal with disagreement on any subject whatsoever.
    One of the UK's two great political parties has been taken over by the mad people who throw rocks through windows. Incroyable.
    I cannot understand the perspectives of militant leftists at all. Don't they actually want to improve people's lives? Is being a protest movement and perpetual complainers really better than making sure that all kids have a chance in life etc? Margaret Beckett must hate herself right now.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    old_labour said:

    Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 11m11 minutes ago

    Highly likely that Labour Party itself will challenge the decision in the courts

    If the Labour Party challenge their own NEC ruling in court they will be challenging a democratic decision to have a democratic election - and will lose. Madness.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,830
    Scott_P said:

    Jack W was hinting at a radical cabinet from May earlier

    Moderate Labour crossing the floor?

    That'll go down well with the membership :p
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    SirBenjamin said:

    OK, now is the time for May to make a big, open offer to moderate, sensible Labour members to jump ship. Kendall, Chuka, Tristram... We'd even take Woodward back. Maybe.

    Pre-empt the Lab split by getting some of their better people to join a decent, centrist Tory administration - it would be a stroke of genius.

    Isn't that how the Tories killed off the Liberals?
  • MontyHallMontyHall Posts: 226
    Showtime!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pacMThWVE
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,930
    edited July 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @JeremyCliffe: Imagine a Labour 2.0 with 170 MPs, including the party's big names. That party becomes official opposition. Corbyn's Labour 1.0 irrelevant.

    Not without funding and party members.
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