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But legally, does it have to be? Surely any other business is all-encompassing.RodCrosby said:
Something like that should have been on the agenda for the meeting. If it wasn't...RobD said:
Isn't it their fault for leaving the meeting before it had been adjourned?RodCrosby said:Hey-hey, they did pull a trick worthy of the C'mmittee down the Wheeltappers & Shunters...
https://twitter.com/austinrathe/status/752970245720055808
Lawyers, cancel your hols!
#CarryOnCorbyn0 -
AOB?FrancisUrquhart said:
Now Robert about that earlier tweet.....but if true and wasn't on the agenda etc, there is going to be big trouble. It does make you wonder why Jezza left though, order of noodles arrived?RodCrosby said:Hey-hey, they did pull a trick worthy of the C'mmittee down the Wheeltappers & Shunters...
https://twitter.com/austinrathe/status/752970245720055808
Lawyers, cancel your hols!
#CarryOnCorbyn0 -
Union members still have an easy way to vote, and don't forget that loads of the crazier leftist unions reaffiliated over the last year or so from the SWP or TUC party.Jobabob said:SeanT said:
LOL. Still, I doubt it will be enough. Nothing, I say nothing, will get the baby's hand off the bottle.0 -
Returning to the Millerites a moment. True believers can rationalise _anything_. Mere electoral defeat won't change their belief. It'll be due to external causes. Group cohesion is a scarily good way of dealing with disappointment.The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed. The militants need to be shown the public has the most contempt for their politics.OllyT said:
The hard left only needed to get the upper hand once. Now it has it will change the rules to ensure it never relinquishes it. As you say by 2020 it will be a 90% Corbynite party, everyone else will have left or been forced out. As a member till fairly recently I hope it is a pyrrhic victory and Labour end up with under 100 MPs at the next GE.The_Apocalypse said:
Yes. Corbyn has lost the support of MPs of all political views. Left, Right, Blairite, Brownite, soft left, Blue Labour etc. Obviously all of these people are just 'wrong'. Consequently, the Labour party will become uniformly Corbynite. Unlike any other political party, Labour will cease to be a board church of views. Only Corbynism will be tolerated. It was always going to be this way as many Corbynites I've spoken to cannot deal with disagreement on any subject whatsoever.Moses_ said:
Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?bigjohnowls said:IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.
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Given it's historically a political graveyard (Theresa excepted) Amber Rudd at Home is probably good... Chances are that will be the finish of her career fairly shortly...numbertwelve said:
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Which pigmy would be on the PM slot?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
They need to find a credible unity candidate. Last chance dance.Artist said:DanSmith said:
We know what the makeup of the Labour party thought a couple of weeks ago, it's been polled.eek said:
I actually think both statements are true. Stephen Bush is correct in that Corbyn will win this, the PLP are happy because they haven't realised what the makeup of the party membership was back in January (hint Corbyn supporters had arrived, others were letting / had let their membership lapse)..Lowlander said:
Hodges is delusional.rottenborough said:Opinions are dividing:
Hodges saying PLP are happier - game on.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 6m6 minutes ago
This shuts out: a) every lapsed Burnham, Cooper and Kendall voter and b) anyone who might have wanted to "Save Labour".
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 8m8 minutes ago
People saying this makes it harder for Corbyn to win are out of their trees.
When did he last get ANYTHING about UK politics right?
He's as reliable as John McTernan. When he says something is going to happen, lay it.
As with everything we've seen from Labour its so near and yet so far... - the comedy continues...
Eagle was only 10% behind and some of the members will not be eligible. Add to that the polling that suggests Union members think Corbyn is crap and that the contender might be someone better than Eagle. Still a chance?0 -
Quick reminder of where Labour needs to win votes in order to win an election:
Cannock, Swindon, Milton Keynes, Plymouth, Bury, Ilkeston, Beeston, Harlow, Crawley, Northampton, Corby, Stafford, Stockton, Blackpool, Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Redditch, Basildon.
In other words, not London, Manchester, Edinburgh, Bristol, Cambridge, Oxford.0 -
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:0 -
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.0 -
The guy who did so much for the Scottish and Australian Labo(u)r parties.Lowlander said:It seems that Labour might not be finished.
https://twitter.com/SimmPippa/status/7529488547949076480 -
Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/7529709462905241610 -
So Jeremy remains High Sparrow, the fuse to the Wildfire remains unlit.....0
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HYUFD said:
Few jobs in manufacturing are in middle management, they used to be mass production those that remain will be highly skilled, there are still large numbers of middle managers elsewhereHaroldO said:
Good point, it is in the middle management that the jobs really have gone. Computerisation has removed the need for so many people shuffling paper and so many people to manage them.Malmesbury said:
The trend is that manufacturing is going the way of farming. In China manufacturing is *loosing jobs*. This is because wages have risen, and automation is accelerating. In the US, it is now competitive with China to build highly automated factories vs their lower levels of automation.HaroldO said:I was going to make a long rambly post musing how the labour market will now unfurl with the reduction in the import of cheap labour and the decreasing use of tax credits. Plus the effect of this on the margins of the larger corporations that have been growing in the last decade in the UK who have mainly relied on low margin, high volume models and how their inability to just super charge this model for the foreseeable may actually help the working classes in the long term (but not the short).
But then Corbyn comes along and ruins it, because we may have seen the death of major political party for the first time in the country since the Liberals were gobbled up by Labour.
Manufacturing will, in only a few years, require a tiny percentage of the work force - like agriculture. As with agriculture, there will be a number of highly paid jobs and some very poorly paid work (moving boxes around, cleaning). Not much in between.
Highly skilled technology quickly become out of date.
I can remember when the IBM 360 series computer was replaced by a new generation in the early 1970s and all the 360 experts were suddenly not required.
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The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....0 -
Assuming that's a tent scenario. Osborne on the backbencher could be a problemkle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
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Yes. Most union members are anti-Corbyn but without a high profile alternative he'll get through. Labour are screwed – but nevertheless I think you Max for your sense of fair play. A sterling gent you are.MaxPB said:0 -
Were you missold Labour party membership ?
Call 0800 WAT SON !0 -
The agenda for the meeting was all about deciding the detail of the arrangements and timetable for the leadership contest. Anything relevant to that was by definition to be settled one way or another, as otherwise the contest could not have commenced forthwith.RodCrosby said:
Something like that should have been on the agenda for the meeting. If it wasn't...RobD said:
Isn't it their fault for leaving the meeting before it had been adjourned?RodCrosby said:Hey-hey, they did pull a trick worthy of the C'mmittee down the Wheeltappers & Shunters...
https://twitter.com/austinrathe/status/752970245720055808
Lawyers, cancel your hols!
#CarryOnCorbyn0 -
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
Actually I reckon it will be nearer 10,0000 -
Theresa May: a one-nation Tory in a one-party state
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/theresa-may-tory-prime-minister-england?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the country, while the NEC put an unelectable hard left winger on the ballot, despite his facing a rebellion of unprecedented scale, because "thems the rules".GIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
Spot the difference. And weep.0 -
Does Osborne have any support left? He blew the referendum. As much as it was Cameron's failure it was also Osborne's. I would have thought his career needs to go into intensive care and a period of "recovery" will be needed.numbertwelve said:
Assuming that's a tent scenario. Osborne on the backbencher could be a problemkle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
He might be able to come back one day (if he wants) but for now I'd have thought he'd recognize a period on the backbenches and taking some responsibility for this fiasco are needed.
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I will be paying £I25 for me, my wife and three kids to register and to vote against Corbyn. A few mates, at least, will be doing the same with theirs. We'll get to 50 or 60 hopefully. If other clusters of well-off metropolitans who want to deprive the working class of unrestricted immigration and nuclear disarmament do the same, and the lapsed non-Corbynista members return to the fold to vote by 8th August, there may be a sniff of a chance JC can be beaten. It's certainly worth paying out the cash to find out.0
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Get rid of Scotland and that might well be the case.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May: a one-nation Tory in a one-party state
(And then Scotland would also be another one-party state under a female dictator..)0 -
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
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No, he listened to the Education department and took on the teachers instead. The ultimate form of house training.GIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
Given he's a neocon, a belligerent and cursed with a pathological need to talk rather than listen, he would be an utterly catastrophic FS particularly now. Boris, Osborne, Cameron or even Fox would do better.0 -
I really hope it's true that May is going to give Damien Green the Culture job. That will get the anti-BBC right wing nutters red-faced with fury.0
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Lapsed members will be those who joined no later than July 2015, or who joined later but cancelled their direct debits. I wonder how diligent the party will be in chasing up those who joined in July 2015 in the next month?SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/7529709462905241610 -
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/7529709462905241610 -
Who on Earth by? :-DGIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
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How so, what's his story?SouthamObserver said:I really hope it's true that May is going to give Damien Green the Culture job. That will get the anti-BBC right wing nutters red-faced with fury.
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I reckon Leicester West and South would not be safe for Corbyn Labour. Possibly not Keith Vaz's Leicester East too.OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.SouthamObserver said:
It'll certainly be under 200. And in a lonely corner of the Rochdale count someone will be mumbling "Eagles would have done worse" :-)OllyT said:
The hard left only needed to get the upper hand once. Now it has it will change the rules to ensure it never relinquishes it. As you say by 2020 it will be a 90% Corbynite party, everyone else will have left or been forced out. As a member till fairly recently I hope it is a pyrrhic victory and Labour end up with under 100 MPs at the next GE.The_Apocalypse said:
Yes. Corbyn has lost the support of MPs of all political views. Left, Right, Blairite, Brownite, soft left, Blue Labour etc. Obviously all of these people are just 'wrong'. Consequently, the Labour party will become uniformly Corbynite. Unlike any other political party, Labour will cease to be a board church of views. Only Corbynism will be tolerated. It was always going to be this way as many Corbynites I've spoken to cannot deal with disagreement on any subject whatsoever.Moses_ said:
Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?bigjohnowls said:IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.
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Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
The Midlands has more of a tradition of voters switching directly between Labour and the Tories.eek said:
+1. In the north, Yorkshire and Wales Labour are not the Labour party, they are simply not the Conservatives. The SNP showed that those votes can be taken (and once taken its a landslide) but that party needs a name that doesn't begin Conservat....TOPPING said:
It's a fair point but, and I say this cautiously given all we've seen, I believe that most people compartmentalise such decisions. I just can't see a Lab => Con switch by traditional Lab voters. UKIP perhaps, NOTA could be. But full tilt over to Cons? Not so sure. Cons and their legacy are still the enemy in a lot of Lab constituencies.anotherDave said:
Leadsom would have been able to appeal to the 7/10 Labour constituencies that voted Leave.TOPPING said:
Lab really did need Leadsom and her gang of nutters. Would have made even Burnham seem an ok choice by comparison.Wulfrun_Phil said:On balance, when the dust settles, tonight may yet turn out to be a poor one for the Trots.
Keeping Corbyn off the ballot was always a long shot, and relied on some very poorly drafted rules notwithstanding the clear intention of Collins that the leader should always have significant support from the PLP.
By contrast, with the clear evidence that the balance of party opinion from existing members has moved against Corbyn, although not yet by quite enough, the six month freeze date et al has been the more significant change. The prospect of new joiners offsetting that move in opinion has been quashed.
Overall I think tonight has improved the chances of Corbyn being toppled, although the odds are still on him hanging on.
Instead the new PM has tacked left so the Lab middle ground has nowhere to go. I would still be very happy with a Stevie K or a Chuka or even Hilary god help us. But they remain unable to construct a sensible position that is to the left of what is nominally now a leftish-ish government.0 -
Why do you hate democracy so?Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the country, while the NEC put an unelectable hard left winger on the ballot, despite his facing a rebellion of unprecedented scale, because "thems the rules".GIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
Spot the difference. And weep.0 -
Reminds me of these (American-made) Youtube classics from years back...Pulpstar said:Were you missold Labour party membership ?
Call 0800 WAT SON !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4oNjTuTz-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYgXedpeMuc0 -
Very europhile, leftwing Tory. I had breakfast with him once, randomly. Really nice guy – one of the nicest MPs you'll ever meet.kle4 said:
How so, what's his story?SouthamObserver said:I really hope it's true that May is going to give Damien Green the Culture job. That will get the anti-BBC right wing nutters red-faced with fury.
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He is a former BBC and CH4 man.kle4 said:
How so, what's his story?SouthamObserver said:I really hope it's true that May is going to give Damien Green the Culture job. That will get the anti-BBC right wing nutters red-faced with fury.
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Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
Just had this email from SavingLbour (the anti-cornyn group):-
"Britain is a different country today than it was three weeks ago. We have a new Prime Minister, and she must be held to account by a Labour Party that represents us, ordinary people. Jeremy Corbyn is simply unable to take the Party forward and properly represent people like us.
Registration to help choose the next Labour Leader starts on Monday - and only lasts two days. That means we’ve only got the rest of this week to prepare to save the Labour Party.
Working together, we're stronger than they think. Share Saving Labour with your friends below"
The bit about registration is unclear to me. We intended to rejoin to vote against Corbyn but my understanding is that that no longer possible.0 -
They wouldn't need to not be a comedy party - if the Tories don't go for full english brexit it will be difficult given the slim majority, if they abandoned Brexit they'd split faster than Labour are doing. Labour are hardly in a place to capitalise right now, but it wouldn't stop the Tories splitting.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
Good night,0 -
I've got a feeling UKIP are very soon going to elect a leader who will be far more popular than Farage... These are dangerous times for Lab and Con.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
The genie is out of the bottle. If they abandon Brexit they will deserve everything they have coming to them.0 -
It shouldn't be his decision. TM must sack him.GIN1138 said:
Does Osborne have any support left? He blew the referendum. As much as it was Cameron's failure it was also Osborne's. I would have thought his career needs to go into intensive care and a period of "recovery" will be needed.numbertwelve said:
Assuming that's a tent scenario. Osborne on the backbencher could be a problemkle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
He might be able to come back one day (if he wants) but for now I'd have thought he'd recognize a period on the backbenches and taking some responsibility for this fiasco are needed.0 -
Is Theresa about to deliver a ruthless europhile sweep of cabinet?
Come on, I need cheering up.
I think the tired cliche on here for such occasions is "popcorn" or some such.0 -
Problem is Labour added nearly 100k members between Jeremy's election and Jan 2016.JenS said:
Wow. That's clever. The lapsed members will all be anti Corbyn surely.SouthamObserver said:Looks like lapsed Labour members have until 8th August to reactivate their memberships to get a vote:
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/752970946290524161
That's a hell of a lot of lapsed members to bring in to vote for Argclu.0 -
In all honesty I don't think it will be abandoned.GIN1138 said:
I've got a feeling UKIP are very soon going to elect a leader who will be far more popular than Farage... These are dangerous times for Lab and Con.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
The genie is out of the bottle. If they abandon Brexit they will deserve everything they have coming to them.0 -
Most of the fruitcakes on here have already jumped ship for UKIP....SouthamObserver said:I really hope it's true that May is going to give Damien Green the Culture job. That will get the anti-BBC right wing nutters red-faced with fury.
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It would certainly hit Labour in areas like Stoke and Mansfield and Grimsby and Hartlepool and Sunderland but the Tories could also be hit in seats like Thanet, Dover, Harlow, Basildon and Boston and Skegnesswilliamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
Who?GIN1138 said:
I've got a feeling UKIP are very soon going to elect a leader who will be far more popular than Farage... These are dangerous times for Lab and Con.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
The genie is out of the bottle. If they abandon Brexit they will deserve everything they have coming to them.0 -
Well considering the UK just voted to leave the EU I am not sure of much of a comedy party they are. Their primary goal has been accomplished.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
Meanwhile Labour continue to dick about and are quickly becoming irrelevant.0 -
OllyT said:
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
Actually I reckon it will be nearer 10,000
Could all depend on boundary changes, obviously. The aborted 2013 review version of the seat would probably be notionally Tory on 2015 results as it brought in more rural territory. But there were some very unsatisfactory seats drawn in that review, so they should carve it up differently this time.
That said, I'm not sure Corbyn-led Labour would have a prayer on *any* set of boundaries.0 -
I think it's £25OllyT said:Just had this email from SavingLbour (the anti-cornyn group):-
"Britain is a different country today than it was three weeks ago. We have a new Prime Minister, and she must be held to account by a Labour Party that represents us, ordinary people. Jeremy Corbyn is simply unable to take the Party forward and properly represent people like us.
Registration to help choose the next Labour Leader starts on Monday - and only lasts two days. That means we’ve only got the rest of this week to prepare to save the Labour Party.
Working together, we're stronger than they think. Share Saving Labour with your friends below"
The bit about registration is unclear to me. We intended to rejoin to vote against Corbyn but my understanding is that that no longer possible.0 -
CiF is a rather depressing place at the moment, so many journalist and pundits in total befuddlement as the light of ‘progressive politics’ dims to that of a glowing fag end.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May: a one-nation Tory in a one-party state
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/theresa-may-tory-prime-minister-england?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
Steven Woolfe.saddened said:
Who?GIN1138 said:
I've got a feeling UKIP are very soon going to elect a leader who will be far more popular than Farage... These are dangerous times for Lab and Con.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
The genie is out of the bottle. If they abandon Brexit they will deserve everything they have coming to them.0 -
Yes but you just need experts in something else insteadDavid_Evershed said:HYUFD said:
Few jobs in manufacturing are in middle management, they used to be mass production those that remain will be highly skilled, there are still large numbers of middle managers elsewhereHaroldO said:
Good point, it is in the middle management that the jobs really have gone. Computerisation has removed the need for so many people shuffling paper and so many people to manage them.Malmesbury said:
The trend is that manufacturing is going the way of farming. In China manufacturing is *loosing jobs*. This is because wages have risen, and automation is accelerating. In the US, it is now competitive with China to build highly automated factories vs their lower levels of automation.HaroldO said:I was going to make a long rambly post musing how the labour market will now unfurl with the reduction in the import of cheap labour and the decreasing use of tax credits. Plus the effect of this on the margins of the larger corporations that have been growing in the last decade in the UK who have mainly relied on low margin, high volume models and how their inability to just super charge this model for the foreseeable may actually help the working classes in the long term (but not the short).
But then Corbyn comes along and ruins it, because we may have seen the death of major political party for the first time in the country since the Liberals were gobbled up by Labour.
Manufacturing will, in only a few years, require a tiny percentage of the work force - like agriculture. As with agriculture, there will be a number of highly paid jobs and some very poorly paid work (moving boxes around, cleaning). Not much in between.
Highly skilled technology quickly become out of date.
I can remember when the IBM 360 series computer was replaced by a new generation in the early 1970s and all the 360 experts were suddenly not required.0 -
I doubt they are abandoning it, if I am honest. But if they are I should imagine they would see that as a bonus!williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
I thought post-Brexit experts were out of jobs ;-)HYUFD said:
Yes but you just need experts in something else insteadDavid_Evershed said:HYUFD said:
Few jobs in manufacturing are in middle management, they used to be mass production those that remain will be highly skilled, there are still large numbers of middle managers elsewhereHaroldO said:
Good point, it is in the middle management that the jobs really have gone. Computerisation has removed the need for so many people shuffling paper and so many people to manage them.Malmesbury said:
The trend is that manufacturing is going the way of farming. In China manufacturing is *loosing jobs*. This is because wages have risen, and automation is accelerating. In the US, it is now competitive with China to build highly automated factories vs their lower levels of automation.HaroldO said:I was going to make a long rambly post musing how the labour market will now unfurl with the reduction in the import of cheap labour and the decreasing use of tax credits. Plus the effect of this on the margins of the larger corporations that have been growing in the last decade in the UK who have mainly relied on low margin, high volume models and how their inability to just super charge this model for the foreseeable may actually help the working classes in the long term (but not the short).
But then Corbyn comes along and ruins it, because we may have seen the death of major political party for the first time in the country since the Liberals were gobbled up by Labour.
Manufacturing will, in only a few years, require a tiny percentage of the work force - like agriculture. As with agriculture, there will be a number of highly paid jobs and some very poorly paid work (moving boxes around, cleaning). Not much in between.
Highly skilled technology quickly become out of date.
I can remember when the IBM 360 series computer was replaced by a new generation in the early 1970s and all the 360 experts were suddenly not required.0 -
Who?MP_SE said:
Steven Woolfe.saddened said:
Who?GIN1138 said:
I've got a feeling UKIP are very soon going to elect a leader who will be far more popular than Farage... These are dangerous times for Lab and Con.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
The genie is out of the bottle. If they abandon Brexit they will deserve everything they have coming to them.0 -
Off topic. Moody's heat map for Brexit.
https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/7529768258156298240 -
Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.SeanT said:
Yes, there must be a senior LEAVER. Johnson as Foreign Sec makes sense to me.GIN1138 said:
Looks like a lot of educated guesswork to me... I still think a LEAVER has to fill one of the two top jobs in this government (CoE or Foreign Sec) otherwise it just looks like Mrs May is entirely unserious about Brexit (which of course, she might be)PlatoSaid said:
Or maybe Grayling as Chancellor?0 -
Erm, I don't. Where do you get the idea that having a party leader that is opposed by a PLP elected by millions is democratically sound?MontyHall said:
Why do you hate democracy so?Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the country, while the NEC put an unelectable hard left winger on the ballot, despite his facing a rebellion of unprecedented scale, because "thems the rules".GIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
Spot the difference. And weep.0 -
Iain Dale's cabinet guesses:
"Prime Minister: Theresa May
Chancellor: Philip Hammond
Foreign Secretary: David Davis or Liam Fox
Chief Secretary: Andrea Leadsom
Home Secretary: Jeremy Hunt
Cabinet Office/EU: Chris Grayling
Party Chairman: Justine Greening
Business: Sajid Javid
Justice: Greg Clark
Transport: Brandon Lewis
Education: Nicky Morgan
Health: Mark Harper"
http://iaindale.com/posts/2016/07/12/mrs-may-s-cabinet-dilemmas-whoever-she-appoints-the-balance-will-be-heavily-in-favour-of-remain
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Seamus very happy on Newsnight clip....0
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When did you lapse? You may be able to reactivate your membership. You have until 8th August.OllyT said:Just had this email from SavingLbour (the anti-cornyn group):-
"Britain is a different country today than it was three weeks ago. We have a new Prime Minister, and she must be held to account by a Labour Party that represents us, ordinary people. Jeremy Corbyn is simply unable to take the Party forward and properly represent people like us.
Registration to help choose the next Labour Leader starts on Monday - and only lasts two days. That means we’ve only got the rest of this week to prepare to save the Labour Party.
Working together, we're stronger than they think. Share Saving Labour with your friends below"
The bit about registration is unclear to me. We intended to rejoin to vote against Corbyn but my understanding is that that no longer possible.
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Britain does NOT need experts in anything.HYUFD said:
Yes but you just need experts in something else insteadDavid_Evershed said:HYUFD said:
Few jobs in manufacturing are in middle management, they used to be mass production those that remain will be highly skilled, there are still large numbers of middle managers elsewhereHaroldO said:
Good point, it is in the middle management that the jobs really have gone. Computerisation has removed the need for so many people shuffling paper and so many people to manage them.Malmesbury said:
The trend is that manufacturing is going the way of farming. In China manufacturing is *loosing jobs*. This is because wages have risen, and automation is accelerating. In the US, it is now competitive with China to build highly automated factories vs their lower levels of automation.HaroldO said:I was going to make a long rambly post musing how the labour market will now unfurl with the reduction in the import of cheap labour and the decreasing use of tax credits. Plus the effect of this on the margins of the larger corporations that have been growing in the last decade in the UK who have mainly relied on low margin, high volume models and how their inability to just super charge this model for the foreseeable may actually help the working classes in the long term (but not the short).
But then Corbyn comes along and ruins it, because we may have seen the death of major political party for the first time in the country since the Liberals were gobbled up by Labour.
Manufacturing will, in only a few years, require a tiny percentage of the work force - like agriculture. As with agriculture, there will be a number of highly paid jobs and some very poorly paid work (moving boxes around, cleaning). Not much in between.
Highly skilled technology quickly become out of date.
I can remember when the IBM 360 series computer was replaced by a new generation in the early 1970s and all the 360 experts were suddenly not required.0 -
And how exactly did the staged resignations from the shadow cabinet contribute towards holding the government to account? Baffled.OllyT said:Just had this email from SavingLbour (the anti-cornyn group):-
"Britain is a different country today than it was three weeks ago. We have a new Prime Minister, and she must be held to account by a Labour Party that represents us, ordinary people. Jeremy Corbyn is simply unable to take the Party forward and properly represent people like us.
Registration to help choose the next Labour Leader starts on Monday - and only lasts two days. That means we’ve only got the rest of this week to prepare to save the Labour Party.
Working together, we're stronger than they think. Share Saving Labour with your friends below"
The bit about registration is unclear to me. We intended to rejoin to vote against Corbyn but my understanding is that that no longer possible.0 -
Well that is quite completely different to the Telegraph reports...anotherDave said:Iain Dale's cabinet guesses:
"Prime Minister: Theresa May
Chancellor: Philip Hammond
Foreign Secretary: David Davis or Liam Fox
Chief Secretary: Andrea Leadsom
Home Secretary: Jeremy Hunt
Cabinet Office/EU: Chris Grayling
Party Chairman: Justine Greening
Business: Sajid Javid
Justice: Greg Clark
Transport: Brandon Lewis
Education: Nicky Morgan
Health: Mark Harper"
http://iaindale.com/posts/2016/07/12/mrs-may-s-cabinet-dilemmas-whoever-she-appoints-the-balance-will-be-heavily-in-favour-of-remain0 -
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
That presupposes that the Tories can be bothered with the Leave/Remain thing any more. I suspect they want to put the whole nasty business behind them and get on with creating a powerful electoral force. The Tories won't want to keep banging the old Brexit drum, now that the decision has been made and they've come through it relatively unscathed. They'll keep quiet about it for a bit, then everyone else will have forgotten about it.GIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....0 -
Would you trust Boris not to errh erhh how can I put this, show the best of British to attractive foreign ladies?Gravitation said:
Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.SeanT said:
Yes, there must be a senior LEAVER. Johnson as Foreign Sec makes sense to me.GIN1138 said:
Looks like a lot of educated guesswork to me... I still think a LEAVER has to fill one of the two top jobs in this government (CoE or Foreign Sec) otherwise it just looks like Mrs May is entirely unserious about Brexit (which of course, she might be)PlatoSaid said:
Or maybe Grayling as Chancellor?0 -
Ian Dale, seriously? He is as sunk as Montie and as irrelevant.anotherDave said:Iain Dale's cabinet guesses:
"Prime Minister: Theresa May
Chancellor: Philip Hammond
Foreign Secretary: David Davis or Liam Fox
Chief Secretary: Andrea Leadsom
Home Secretary: Jeremy Hunt
Cabinet Office/EU: Chris Grayling
Party Chairman: Justine Greening
Business: Sajid Javid
Justice: Greg Clark
Transport: Brandon Lewis
Education: Nicky Morgan
Health: Mark Harper"
http://iaindale.com/posts/2016/07/12/mrs-may-s-cabinet-dilemmas-whoever-she-appoints-the-balance-will-be-heavily-in-favour-of-remain0 -
It would bemore advisable and safer to appoint Boris as ‘special’ trade envoy to Outer Roatan.Gravitation said:
Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.SeanT said:
Yes, there must be a senior LEAVER. Johnson as Foreign Sec makes sense to me.GIN1138 said:
Looks like a lot of educated guesswork to me... I still think a LEAVER has to fill one of the two top jobs in this government (CoE or Foreign Sec) otherwise it just looks like Mrs May is entirely unserious about Brexit (which of course, she might be)PlatoSaid said:
Or maybe Grayling as Chancellor?0 -
The irony. The creatures of the 1980s are still alive and kicking, and can be assured to give the plotters a 'warm' Liverpool welcome.nunu said:
Get ur ass down there! Lol.RodCrosby said:Friggin ell.
Labour Conference in Liverpool this year...
#CarryOnCorbyn
They were there at Corbyn's meeting last year, even before he was elected.
http://www.liverpoolconfidential.co.uk/news-and-comment/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-liverpool-adelphi-rally0 -
A few post leadership election interviews will sort that problem out.saddened said:
Who?MP_SE said:
Steven Woolfe.saddened said:
Who?GIN1138 said:
I've got a feeling UKIP are very soon going to elect a leader who will be far more popular than Farage... These are dangerous times for Lab and Con.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
The genie is out of the bottle. If they abandon Brexit they will deserve everything they have coming to them.0 -
Mr Dale's LibDem predictions a year ago were a hoot!saddened said:
Ian Dale, seriously? He is as sunk as Montie and as irrelevant.anotherDave said:Iain Dale's cabinet guesses:
"Prime Minister: Theresa May
Chancellor: Philip Hammond
Foreign Secretary: David Davis or Liam Fox
Chief Secretary: Andrea Leadsom
Home Secretary: Jeremy Hunt
Cabinet Office/EU: Chris Grayling
Party Chairman: Justine Greening
Business: Sajid Javid
Justice: Greg Clark
Transport: Brandon Lewis
Education: Nicky Morgan
Health: Mark Harper"
http://iaindale.com/posts/2016/07/12/mrs-may-s-cabinet-dilemmas-whoever-she-appoints-the-balance-will-be-heavily-in-favour-of-remain0 -
You want to put Boris in charge of MI6 and GCHQ?Gravitation said:Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.
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Well, he's not going to win in Bury - that unfortunate anti-semitism business won't exactly play well.foxinsoxuk said:
I reckon Leicester West and South would not be safe for Corbyn Labour. Possibly not Keith Vaz's Leicester East too.OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.SouthamObserver said:
It'll certainly be under 200. And in a lonely corner of the Rochdale count someone will be mumbling "Eagles would have done worse" :-)OllyT said:
The hard left only needed to get the upper hand once. Now it has it will change the rules to ensure it never relinquishes it. As you say by 2020 it will be a 90% Corbynite party, everyone else will have left or been forced out. As a member till fairly recently I hope it is a pyrrhic victory and Labour end up with under 100 MPs at the next GE.The_Apocalypse said:
Yes. Corbyn has lost the support of MPs of all political views. Left, Right, Blairite, Brownite, soft left, Blue Labour etc. Obviously all of these people are just 'wrong'. Consequently, the Labour party will become uniformly Corbynite. Unlike any other political party, Labour will cease to be a board church of views. Only Corbynism will be tolerated. It was always going to be this way as many Corbynites I've spoken to cannot deal with disagreement on any subject whatsoever.Moses_ said:
Do you mean if he wins the contest Labour then should go into a full party reselection process? All MP's....?bigjohnowls said:IMO Corbyn now has to stand on a ticket of mandatory reselection for all MPs.
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He is Chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary BBC GroupJobabob said:
Very europhile, leftwing Tory. I had breakfast with him once, randomly. Really nice guy – one of the nicest MPs you'll ever meet.kle4 said:
How so, what's his story?SouthamObserver said:I really hope it's true that May is going to give Damien Green the Culture job. That will get the anti-BBC right wing nutters red-faced with fury.
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He should be OK unless the forces want to launch a major thrust.FrancisUrquhart said:
Would you trust Boris not to errh erhh how can I put this, show the best of British to attractive foreign ladies?Gravitation said:
Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.SeanT said:
Yes, there must be a senior LEAVER. Johnson as Foreign Sec makes sense to me.GIN1138 said:
Looks like a lot of educated guesswork to me... I still think a LEAVER has to fill one of the two top jobs in this government (CoE or Foreign Sec) otherwise it just looks like Mrs May is entirely unserious about Brexit (which of course, she might be)PlatoSaid said:
Or maybe Grayling as Chancellor?0 -
Watching "Independence Day" on E4
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There is no way that Boris is going to get a big job. DCLG or DCMS at best imo, if that. May doesn't have to reward him, he didn't even stand.glw said:
You want to put Boris in charge of MI6 and GCHQ?Gravitation said:Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.
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Tbh CiF is full of totally clueless people. There is literally no helping Cifers.SimonStClare said:
CiF is a rather depressing place at the moment, so many journalist and pundits in total befuddlement as the light of ‘progressive politics’ dims to that of a glowing fag end.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May: a one-nation Tory in a one-party state
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/theresa-may-tory-prime-minister-england?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
Crickey...Newsnight showing a charming email sent to Eagles today!0
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How do Lib Dems on the ground see the prospect of an SDP 2? Opportunity or threat?MarkSenior said:
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.
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Thanks. We voted in the first Corbyn election and resigned after that but I can't remember when we were paid up till - will give it a go and see if we can renew!SouthamObserver said:
When did you lapse? You may be able to reactivate your membership. You have until 8th August.OllyT said:Just had this email from SavingLbour (the anti-cornyn group):-
"Britain is a different country today than it was three weeks ago. We have a new Prime Minister, and she must be held to account by a Labour Party that represents us, ordinary people. Jeremy Corbyn is simply unable to take the Party forward and properly represent people like us.
Registration to help choose the next Labour Leader starts on Monday - and only lasts two days. That means we’ve only got the rest of this week to prepare to save the Labour Party.
Working together, we're stronger than they think. Share Saving Labour with your friends below"
The bit about registration is unclear to me. We intended to rejoin to vote against Corbyn but my understanding is that that no longer possible.0 -
The last 24 hours have been really exciting!Sunil_Prasannan said:Watching "Independence Day" on E4
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They have Arron Banks' millions now May is PMMarkSenior said:
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
Again, seriously, can ANYONE watch this Newsnight interview and really say with a straight face that Eagle is more electable than Corbyn?0
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DCMS wouldn't be a bad fit if Ofcom was moved out of harm's way.John_M said:
There is no way that Boris is going to get a big job. DCLG or DCMS at best imo, if that. May doesn't have to reward him, he didn't even stand.glw said:
You want to put Boris in charge of MI6 and GCHQ?Gravitation said:Boris would love being Foreign Sec - all that travel and hobnobbing. Plus May would like it as it would keep him out of the country a lot and there are no votes to be won from foreign affairs.
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Clearly they'll have to form an Alliance...williamglenn said:
How do Lib Dems on the ground see the prospect of an SDP 2? Opportunity or threat?MarkSenior said:
UKIP are not going to sweep through anywhere . their councillors are deserting them , they cannot find candidates to contest most by elections and have no money to fight a good campaign when they do .williamglenn said:
Perhaps the Tories abandoning Brexit would instead destroy Labour (if they need any help) by helping UKIP to sweep through their heartlands.Jobabob said:
Won't happen.GIN1138 said:
Not unless they want to be destroyed at the next election...Jobabob said:
So the Tories effect a Remain stitch up for the good of the countryGIN1138 said:
The MSM seems to think Remainers can fill PM, CoE and Foreign positions...kle4 said:
Are they seriously still suggesting Osborne as Foreign Secretary?!numbertwelve said:
I don't think that would work (unless Theresa wants to send out a message that she's not interested in Brexit at all)
A leaver has to take on of those positions. Gove to foreign would make the most sense. If there's a department that will need whipping into shape from it cosy EU ivory tower its the foreign office and Gove took on the education department quite successfully....
If the Tories abandoned Brexit completely they'd win with a majority of at least 50.
Have you seen the Labour Party?*
*P.S. Ukip are a comedy party. Won't happen.0 -
Tour de France fans -
Just finished watching today's stage. Can anyone enlighten me as to why the word ARSE was painted on the road a couple of times today?
Ditto the phrase FUCK LIMOGES appeared on the road several times over the last 3 stages too.
On the plus side the Yorkshire flag has been seen several times.0 -
Any successful country needs experts in the technology of the dayLowlander said:
Britain does NOT need experts in anything.HYUFD said:
Yes but you just need experts in something else insteadDavid_Evershed said:HYUFD said:
Few jobs in manufacturing are in middle management, they used to be mass production those that remain will be highly skilled, there are still large numbers of middle managers elsewhereHaroldO said:
Good point, it is in the middle management that the jobs really have gone. Computerisation has removed the need for so many people shuffling paper and so many people to manage them.Malmesbury said:
The trend is that manufacturing is going the way of farming. In China manufacturing is *loosing jobs*. This is because wages have risen, and automation is accelerating. In the US, it is now competitive with China to build highly automated factories vs their lower levels of automation.HaroldO said:I was going to make a long rambly post musing how the labour market will now unfurl with the reduction in the import of cheap labour and the decreasing use of tax credits. Plus the effect of this on the margins of the larger corporations that have been growing in the last decade in the UK who have mainly relied on low margin, high volume models and how their inability to just super charge this model for the foreseeable may actually help the working classes in the long term (but not the short).
But then Corbyn comes along and ruins it, because we may have seen the death of major political party for the first time in the country since the Liberals were gobbled up by Labour.
Manufacturing will, in only a few years, require a tiny percentage of the work force - like agriculture. As with agriculture, there will be a number of highly paid jobs and some very poorly paid work (moving boxes around, cleaning). Not much in between.
Highly skilled technology quickly become out of date.
I can remember when the IBM 360 series computer was replaced by a new generation in the early 1970s and all the 360 experts were suddenly not required.0 -
It was odd how Labour gained Chester while losing Vale of Clwyd just down the road.OllyT said:
Well done, sir!SirBenjamin said:
Chester?OllyT said:
My seat in the North West has a Labour majority of 96 and I reckon the Tories will win it by well over 5000 in 2020 if Corbyn is still there.
Actually I reckon it will be nearer 10,0000
